UHC CEO Gunned Down in Midtown Manhattan

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Anonymous wrote:I’m amazed at the number of people who think health insurance is the main problem, as if the hospitals just honest businessmen submitting bills for their services and the docs as well. The whole system is a sh&t show. Cardiologist in the US make like a half a million, in the Uk it’s like £150K.

People should be mad at their legislators for allowing it to get this way. This is not to say that insurers don’t have their problems but they are but one cog in the wheel of grift and dysfunction.

Cardiologists actually provide an extremely valuable service. Insurance companies suck money out of the system. Do you really not see the difference?

In many cases they keep the system from ripping people off and in many cases make sure that people don’t get the wrong med or unnecessary procedures. I know you think your doctor is the bees knees and would never do anything unethical or wrong but you would be wrong. Consider the fact that so many physician groups have sold out to PE who are managing care by the way in which they manage the practice. The docs didn’t sell because they are concerned about the good of the patients - they wanted a paycheck. There are no innocents in this game.

Yep. Private equity is all over specialized surgical and medical groups …. these doctors are money machines. Cha Ching! $$ Smart doctors know how to game the system. Spend 15 minutes with a patient, quick exam, order scans. Done. Next!

Even large hospital groups order needless scans, ultrasounds, blood work, procedures, unnecessary surgeries…it’s insane.

Yes—I’m generally pro doctor but anyone who thinks that doctors don’t need checks on spending is naive. The nursing homes are notorious for ordering useless tests and therapies to pad their profits. And lots of doctors will just write whatever test or script their patient wants because it’s easier than arguing or because they are making a profit (remember the opioid epidemic?). Everyone would like to have great doctors who only prescribe medically necessary stuff and only do so in their best interest, and have affordable health care that covers all medically necessary treatments, even if those treatments cost millions of dollars a year for a single condition. But it’s not reality. Yes, let’s crack down on the bad actors, but this generalized hate for health insurance providers is just so naive and dangerous. Does anyone remember the world before health insurance? Working class people just died if they got anything that needed more than a doctors visit. Pooling of risk is a good thing—that’s what insurance is. But insurance companies have to follow their written policies.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m amazed at the number of people who think health insurance is the main problem, as if the hospitals just honest businessmen submitting bills for their services and the docs as well. The whole system is a sh&t show. Cardiologist in the US make like a half a million, in the Uk it’s like £150K.

People should be mad at their legislators for allowing it to get this way. This is not to say that insurers don’t have their problems but they are but one cog in the wheel of grift and dysfunction.

Cardiologists actually provide an extremely valuable service. Insurance companies suck money out of the system. Do you really not see the difference?

Do you want to negotiate prices with all of your doctors on your own?

Yes, actually. I’d also like to know the cost of a procedure or visit up front, thanks.

To add, I'd also like to know how many billable personnel (doctors and all) I am expected to receive invoices from, I hate the trickling in from outside providers. So shady.

agree

i especially loathe the Urgimeds who codify themselves as Specialists to double their copays and their charges. Health insurance does nothing.

One recently coded itself at time of billing as an ER.

such BS. And they are in BCBS as an in net work urgent care. such BS. BCBS lets them charge that, pays their share and then we are supposed to pay along and pay 2x or 3x!?

Let’s not forget the extra facility fees. My insurance gives me one annual mammogram that they claim to cover 100%. I looked on my insurance website and selected one of the providers. The mammogram was free but then I received a $600 facility charge. I fought with them for months before I finally got it paid.

That’s now prohibited by the No Surprises Act. (Guessing you had it done at a hospital not a doctors office? The provider also should have warned you.)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The gun he used is wild, an updated version of the WW2 Weldon.

FFS, stop it with this nonsense. You people sound like morons parroting back whatever you hear the morons on TV saying

1) it’s Welrod, not “Weldon”…WelROD.

2) It was NOT a B&T Station 6/9 (the updated version of the WWII Welrod). It was a 9mm semiauto pistol, probably a Glock 19, with a likely home-made suppressor, since it lacked a recoil booster, as evidenced by the pistol jamming and having to be cycled manually after each shot.

Well that's what some of the "reporting" was saying. But thanks for the update little man.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m amazed at the number of people who think health insurance is the main problem, as if the hospitals just honest businessmen submitting bills for their services and the docs as well. The whole system is a sh&t show. Cardiologist in the US make like a half a million, in the Uk it’s like £150K.

People should be mad at their legislators for allowing it to get this way. This is not to say that insurers don’t have their problems but they are but one cog in the wheel of grift and dysfunction.

Cardiologists actually provide an extremely valuable service. Insurance companies suck money out of the system. Do you really not see the difference?

In many cases they keep the system from ripping people off and in many cases make sure that people don’t get the wrong med or unnecessary procedures. I know you think your doctor is the bees knees and would never do anything unethical or wrong but you would be wrong. Consider the fact that so many physician groups have sold out to PE who are managing care by the way in which they manage the practice. The docs didn’t sell because they are concerned about the good of the patients - they wanted a paycheck. There are no innocents in this game.

Yep. Private equity is all over specialized surgical and medical groups …. these doctors are money machines. Cha Ching! $$ Smart doctors know how to game the system. Spend 15 minutes with a patient, quick exam, order scans. Done. Next!

Even large hospital groups order needless scans, ultrasounds, blood work, procedures, unnecessary surgeries…it’s insane.

Yes—I’m generally pro doctor but anyone who thinks that doctors don’t need checks on spending is naive. The nursing homes are notorious for ordering useless tests and therapies to pad their profits. And lots of doctors will just write whatever test or script their patient wants because it’s easier than arguing or because they are making a profit (remember the opioid epidemic?). Everyone would like to have great doctors who only prescribe medically necessary stuff and only do so in their best interest, and have affordable health care that covers all medically necessary treatments, even if those treatments cost millions of dollars a year for a single condition. But it’s not reality. Yes, let’s crack down on the bad actors, but this generalized hate for health insurance providers is just so naive and dangerous. Does anyone remember the world before health insurance? Working class people just died if they got anything that needed more than a doctors visit. Pooling of risk is a good thing—that’s what insurance is. But insurance companies have to follow their written policies.

Insurance companies aren’t in the business of looking out for patients. If they were then they’d be great, everyone would love them. They’re in the business of making as much profit as they possibly can; by extracting as much money in premiums from the patients as they can, paying doctors as little as they can, and denying claims and treatments as often as they can. The existence of greedy or incompetent doctors doesn’t change that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:WaPo article on how common the inappropriate reaction to the CEO’s death was:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2024/12/05/reaction-unitedhealth-ceo-shooting-brian-thompson-insurance/


It isn’t just DCUM posters.

Wash Post commenters ARE DCUM commenters. Huge overlap. Same echo chamber

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:He didn’t wear gloves in the pictures where he shoots him. Surprised, I thought that was Murderer 101. Perhaps he went bare to have more dexterity with the chamber reloading

Definitely for dexterity. It was cold that morning. Which is likely why he went inside the Starbucks for a bit to remain warmed up.

I think he had a spotter at the other hotel. That’s who was speaking to on the phone. And that’s how he knew the target was on the move and able to get into position only 5 minutes in advance.

This is the best explanation I have heard. Why else would he be in the phone minutes before.

It was tea time in Iran…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:He’s prob in another country by now. Never to be found.

Correct. One that doesn’t repatriate criminals.

[Anonymous]

Is he waiting in line to pay for the coffee or is he picking it up. He could have kept the gloves on to pay and took them off after.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:He’s prob in another country by now. Never to be found.

Correct. One that doesn’t repatriate criminals.

Cuba? I believe they have socialized healthcare and they probably wont send him back

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He’s prob in another country by now. Never to be found.

Correct. One that doesn’t repatriate criminals.

Cuba? I believe they have socialized healthcare and they probably wont send him back

French Foreign Legion

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He’s prob in another country by now. Never to be found.

Correct. One that doesn’t repatriate criminals.

Do you mean extradite?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The gun he used is wild, an updated version of the WW2 Weldon.

FFS, stop it with this nonsense. You people sound like morons parroting back whatever you hear the morons on TV saying

1) it’s Welrod, not “Weldon”…WelROD.

2) It was NOT a B&T Station 6/9 (the updated version of the WWII Welrod). It was a 9mm semiauto pistol, probably a Glock 19, with a likely home-made suppressor, since it lacked a recoil booster, as evidenced by the pistol jamming and having to be cycled manually after each shot.

Wow you’re so cool

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m amazed at the number of people who think health insurance is the main problem, as if the hospitals just honest businessmen submitting bills for their services and the docs as well. The whole system is a sh&t show. Cardiologist in the US make like a half a million, in the Uk it’s like £150K.

People should be mad at their legislators for allowing it to get this way. This is not to say that insurers don’t have their problems but they are but one cog in the wheel of grift and dysfunction.

You're right, but people don't see, nor are they are directly impacted, by the things doctors do to pad their reimbursements.

Seriously? You’re complaining about a doctor earning $500K when they are actively saving lives and work 80 hours a week? You’re comparing their $500K to a CEO’s $10 million in earnings where they routinely deny people health coverage?

No doctors work 80 hours a week. Come on. Most barely work 35.

DC’s school and friend group has mainly doctors’ kids. They are all millionaires who have multiple homes and/or travel abroad for every school break and long weekends. They fly first class for a family of five or six. They drive the most expensive cars in town.

I see them at sports practices and games and all the school functions. I don’t think they work 80 hours.

Again, you really have no idea. I’m married to one

+1 I know lots of doctors and this is not their life. Maybe plastic surgeons or something.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Agree. Their chance to get him was in the first couple of hours after the murder. He’s long gone. And the NYPD looks completely incompetent. They haven’t even figured out this guy’s name and they have a pretty clear picture and DNA.

Meh why does this case deserve any more resources than others?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is he waiting in line to pay for the coffee or is he picking it up. He could have kept the gloves on to pay and took them off after.

He got water and 2 protein bars.