King Abdullah Academy Closing: FCPS Buy for HS?

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Anonymous wrote:And the other issue is they will not want to increase the farms rate at any of the existing HS by pulling too many well off students out to go to New HS.


Prediction:
Coates
McNair
Floris
Oak Hill
(Crossfield)

This solves bus ride to Westfield on 28 and the overcrowding at Chantilly.
Enables Centreville to off load to Westfield.
They will try to include Crossfield because of the long bus ride to Oakton.
Might allow close Navy kids to return to Chantilly.


Doesn't that pull a lot of the non farms kids from westfield?

Looking at the map, there don't seem to be any areas zoned to Centreville that make sense to move to Westfield


Look again.


Nope, nothing that makes sense if the goal is avoiding more split feeders.


Bull Run


Half of Bull Run ES are neighborhoods way over by Centre Ridge. You are suggesting to move the whole school to Westfield?
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:You have a new school that will handle 1,300 kids tops without renovation, that could be used as a magnet, no one really cares about FARMs rates as they will drop as people migrate to “safer” places.

Changes to grandfather policy is the first step backward from pausing comprehensive boundary study. Maybe a tweak or two around split feeders is all that will happen.

A whole county worked up for months over essentially nothing.


Try to keep up. We've already established it’s the same sq footage as Centreville HS, which has over 2000 students. Absolutely no way will this school be boundaried for anything close to 1300.


Apply your limited mental capacity. School was built as a private school with smaller class sizes in mind and more open spaces. Doubt FCPS will schedule classes in hallways and courtyards.

Some 2,500 square foot homes appear quite spacious, others are cramped all in the design.


They have two additional buildings that could be used, if needed.
The school has three gyms. Certainly, that could be adapted for classes.
Schools require storerooms, supply rooms, etc. Those could easily be put in the buildings across the street.
There is staff at schools that do not work with kids. They could be housed in one of the external buildings.
The theater could be used for classes, as well.

Think outside the box. Because of the additional buildings, modulars should not be needed. I rode over there the other day. The only thing on that street is the school and the two buildings. The rest is parkland.

Why do people not want this school? It solves longterm problems for FCPS.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:And the other issue is they will not want to increase the farms rate at any of the existing HS by pulling too many well off students out to go to New HS.


Prediction:
Coates
McNair
Floris
Oak Hill
(Crossfield)

This solves bus ride to Westfield on 28 and the overcrowding at Chantilly.
Enables Centreville to off load to Westfield.
They will try to include Crossfield because of the long bus ride to Oakton.
Might allow close Navy kids to return to Chantilly.


Doesn't that pull a lot of the non farms kids from westfield?

Looking at the map, there don't seem to be any areas zoned to Centreville that make sense to move to Westfield


Look again.


Nope, nothing that makes sense if the goal is avoiding more split feeders.


Bull Run


Half of Bull Run ES are neighborhoods way over by Centre Ridge. You are suggesting to move the whole school to Westfield?


Centre Ridge is not a HS, so yes Westfield could feed from 100% of Cub Run, Virginia Run, Deer Park, London Towne, and Bull Run.

I appreciate this means some Bull Run families might prefer to stay at Centreville and/or would end up with a longer commute. But I see no alternative, especially if we want to move Willow Springs to Centreville and not expand Centreville more than needed. Leaving Westfield, one of the largest high schools in the county, with only four feeders would make no sense. Better not to close on the KAA then let that happen.

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There is a lot of new construction in the Westfield area.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:There is a lot of new construction in the Westfield area.


And it's mostly concentrated in the area that likely would move to KAA, not stay at Westfield. There's some off 28 south of Route 50 but not enough to compensate for the Westfield feeders that stand to move to a McLearen Road HS.
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Anonymous wrote:There is a lot of new construction in the Westfield area.


And it's mostly concentrated in the area that likely would move to KAA, not stay at Westfield. There's some off 28 south of Route 50 but not enough to compensate for the Westfield feeders that stand to move to a McLearen Road HS.


There is quite a bit by Sully Station. Also near the DMV and Costco.

Yes, there is a lot by Coates, but that is a different zip code. Check out 20151. It's been going on a while.
Right now, only part of Floris goes to Westfield, too. So, it is mostly Coates and McNair.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You have a new school that will handle 1,300 kids tops without renovation, that could be used as a magnet, no one really cares about FARMs rates as they will drop as people migrate to “safer” places.

Changes to grandfather policy is the first step backward from pausing comprehensive boundary study. Maybe a tweak or two around split feeders is all that will happen.

A whole county worked up for months over essentially nothing.


Try to keep up. We've already established it’s the same sq footage as Centreville HS, which has over 2000 students. Absolutely no way will this school be boundaried for anything close to 1300.


Apply your limited mental capacity. School was built as a private school with smaller class sizes in mind and more open spaces. Doubt FCPS will schedule classes in hallways and courtyards.

Some 2,500 square foot homes appear quite spacious, others are cramped all in the design.


They have two additional buildings that could be used, if needed.
The school has three gyms. Certainly, that could be adapted for classes.
Schools require storerooms, supply rooms, etc. Those could easily be put in the buildings across the street.
There is staff at schools that do not work with kids. They could be housed in one of the external buildings.
The theater could be used for classes, as well.

Think outside the box. Because of the additional buildings, modulars should not be needed. I rode over there the other day. The only thing on that street is the school and the two buildings. The rest is parkland.

Why do people not want this school? It solves longterm problems for FCPS.


I haven't heard anyone say they don't want this school.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:And the other issue is they will not want to increase the farms rate at any of the existing HS by pulling too many well off students out to go to New HS.


Prediction:
Coates
McNair
Floris
Oak Hill
(Crossfield)

This solves bus ride to Westfield on 28 and the overcrowding at Chantilly.
Enables Centreville to off load to Westfield.
They will try to include Crossfield because of the long bus ride to Oakton.
Might allow close Navy kids to return to Chantilly.


Doesn't that pull a lot of the non farms kids from westfield?

Looking at the map, there don't seem to be any areas zoned to Centreville that make sense to move to Westfield


Look again.


Nope, nothing that makes sense if the goal is avoiding more split feeders.


Bull Run


Half of Bull Run ES are neighborhoods way over by Centre Ridge. You are suggesting to move the whole school to Westfield?


Centre Ridge is not a HS, so yes Westfield could feed from 100% of Cub Run, Virginia Run, Deer Park, London Towne, and Bull Run.

I appreciate this means some Bull Run families might prefer to stay at Centreville and/or would end up with a longer commute. But I see no alternative, especially if we want to move Willow Springs to Centreville and not expand Centreville more than needed. Leaving Westfield, one of the largest high schools in the county, with only four feeders would make no sense. Better not to close on the KAA then let that happen.



Your proposals would substantially increase the FARMs rate at Westfield and decrease it at CHS and CVHS given the demographics of Bull Run ES and the Cub Run area zoned to CHS vs the Willow Springs area. You would also be moving kids from Liberty MS to Stone MS (and from CVHS to WFHS)--which will both be very unpopular for those neighborhoods. Stone in particular is problematic.
Anonymous
There's a huge condo development right next to Westfield, another huge development right next to that Target, and another huge development around Wegmans (is that Chantilly HS? Not sure).

Lots of construction in the area, all multi-family.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:And the other issue is they will not want to increase the farms rate at any of the existing HS by pulling too many well off students out to go to New HS.


Prediction:
Coates
McNair
Floris
Oak Hill
(Crossfield)

This solves bus ride to Westfield on 28 and the overcrowding at Chantilly.
Enables Centreville to off load to Westfield.
They will try to include Crossfield because of the long bus ride to Oakton.
Might allow close Navy kids to return to Chantilly.


Doesn't that pull a lot of the non farms kids from westfield?

Looking at the map, there don't seem to be any areas zoned to Centreville that make sense to move to Westfield


Look again.


Nope, nothing that makes sense if the goal is avoiding more split feeders.


Bull Run


Half of Bull Run ES are neighborhoods way over by Centre Ridge. You are suggesting to move the whole school to Westfield?


Centre Ridge is not a HS, so yes Westfield could feed from 100% of Cub Run, Virginia Run, Deer Park, London Towne, and Bull Run.

I appreciate this means some Bull Run families might prefer to stay at Centreville and/or would end up with a longer commute. But I see no alternative, especially if we want to move Willow Springs to Centreville and not expand Centreville more than needed. Leaving Westfield, one of the largest high schools in the county, with only four feeders would make no sense. Better not to close on the KAA then let that happen.



So you aren't familiar with the Centreville area?

Your suggestions would basically concentrate all the low income neighborhoods in the Centreville/Chantilly area at Westfield, creating one HS full of economically disadvantaged kids surrounded by other schools with comparatively few disadvantaged kids (CHS, CVHS, KAA, Oakton etc.)

Deer Park: 35% free lunch
London Towne: 48% free lunch
Bull Run: 43% free lunch
Va Run- 35% free lunch
Cub Run: 22% free lunch

Anonymous
Bummer for Westfield but every FCPS rezoning has winners and losers.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:And the other issue is they will not want to increase the farms rate at any of the existing HS by pulling too many well off students out to go to New HS.


Prediction:
Coates
McNair
Floris
Oak Hill
(Crossfield)

This solves bus ride to Westfield on 28 and the overcrowding at Chantilly.
Enables Centreville to off load to Westfield.
They will try to include Crossfield because of the long bus ride to Oakton.
Might allow close Navy kids to return to Chantilly.


Doesn't that pull a lot of the non farms kids from westfield?

Looking at the map, there don't seem to be any areas zoned to Centreville that make sense to move to Westfield


Look again.


Nope, nothing that makes sense if the goal is avoiding more split feeders.


Bull Run


Half of Bull Run ES are neighborhoods way over by Centre Ridge. You are suggesting to move the whole school to Westfield?


Centre Ridge is not a HS, so yes Westfield could feed from 100% of Cub Run, Virginia Run, Deer Park, London Towne, and Bull Run.

I appreciate this means some Bull Run families might prefer to stay at Centreville and/or would end up with a longer commute. But I see no alternative, especially if we want to move Willow Springs to Centreville and not expand Centreville more than needed. Leaving Westfield, one of the largest high schools in the county, with only four feeders would make no sense. Better not to close on the KAA then let that happen.



So you aren't familiar with the Centreville area?

Your suggestions would basically concentrate all the low income neighborhoods in the Centreville/Chantilly area at Westfield, creating one HS full of economically disadvantaged kids surrounded by other schools with comparatively few disadvantaged kids (CHS, CVHS, KAA, Oakton etc.)

Deer Park: 35% free lunch
London Towne: 48% free lunch
Bull Run: 43% free lunch
Va Run- 35% free lunch
Cub Run: 22% free lunch



In this scenario, what you would get would be hundreds of kids transferring out of WFHS to CVHS or the New Western HS, or Chantilly since it won't be overcrowded anymore, which would make it even more disadvantaged. There's a poverty level tipping point.
Anonymous
Crossfield kids have a very long commute to Oakton and most of them live much closer to KAA than any other school (other than FMW that lives near South Lakes). It would be insane if they didn't rezone it.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:And the other issue is they will not want to increase the farms rate at any of the existing HS by pulling too many well off students out to go to New HS.


Prediction:
Coates
McNair
Floris
Oak Hill
(Crossfield)

This solves bus ride to Westfield on 28 and the overcrowding at Chantilly.
Enables Centreville to off load to Westfield.
They will try to include Crossfield because of the long bus ride to Oakton.
Might allow close Navy kids to return to Chantilly.


Doesn't that pull a lot of the non farms kids from westfield?

Looking at the map, there don't seem to be any areas zoned to Centreville that make sense to move to Westfield


Look again.


Nope, nothing that makes sense if the goal is avoiding more split feeders.


Bull Run


Half of Bull Run ES are neighborhoods way over by Centre Ridge. You are suggesting to move the whole school to Westfield?


Centre Ridge is not a HS, so yes Westfield could feed from 100% of Cub Run, Virginia Run, Deer Park, London Towne, and Bull Run.

I appreciate this means some Bull Run families might prefer to stay at Centreville and/or would end up with a longer commute. But I see no alternative, especially if we want to move Willow Springs to Centreville and not expand Centreville more than needed. Leaving Westfield, one of the largest high schools in the county, with only four feeders would make no sense. Better not to close on the KAA then let that happen.



Your proposals would substantially increase the FARMs rate at Westfield and decrease it at CHS and CVHS given the demographics of Bull Run ES and the Cub Run area zoned to CHS vs the Willow Springs area. You would also be moving kids from Liberty MS to Stone MS (and from CVHS to WFHS)--which will both be very unpopular for those neighborhoods. Stone in particular is problematic.


I don't think it will move the needle that much. But I see no way that they open KAA as an FCPS high school without moving a lot of Westfield there, and then having to adjust other boundaries to backfill Westfield. No one said all the secondary effects would be "popular."

You seem to be implying they should just gut Westfield, and then go ahead and expand Centreville beyond what's reasonable given the massive investment in KAA. That's simply absurd.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:And the other issue is they will not want to increase the farms rate at any of the existing HS by pulling too many well off students out to go to New HS.


Prediction:
Coates
McNair
Floris
Oak Hill
(Crossfield)

This solves bus ride to Westfield on 28 and the overcrowding at Chantilly.
Enables Centreville to off load to Westfield.
They will try to include Crossfield because of the long bus ride to Oakton.
Might allow close Navy kids to return to Chantilly.


Doesn't that pull a lot of the non farms kids from westfield?

Looking at the map, there don't seem to be any areas zoned to Centreville that make sense to move to Westfield


Look again.


Nope, nothing that makes sense if the goal is avoiding more split feeders.


Bull Run


Half of Bull Run ES are neighborhoods way over by Centre Ridge. You are suggesting to move the whole school to Westfield?


Centre Ridge is not a HS, so yes Westfield could feed from 100% of Cub Run, Virginia Run, Deer Park, London Towne, and Bull Run.

I appreciate this means some Bull Run families might prefer to stay at Centreville and/or would end up with a longer commute. But I see no alternative, especially if we want to move Willow Springs to Centreville and not expand Centreville more than needed. Leaving Westfield, one of the largest high schools in the county, with only four feeders would make no sense. Better not to close on the KAA then let that happen.



So you aren't familiar with the Centreville area?

Your suggestions would basically concentrate all the low income neighborhoods in the Centreville/Chantilly area at Westfield, creating one HS full of economically disadvantaged kids surrounded by other schools with comparatively few disadvantaged kids (CHS, CVHS, KAA, Oakton etc.)

Deer Park: 35% free lunch
London Towne: 48% free lunch
Bull Run: 43% free lunch
Va Run- 35% free lunch
Cub Run: 22% free lunch



Look, people have been complaining regularly about how the northern-most parts of Westfield (which stand to move over to KAA) are separated by Dulles and other commercial areas from the rest of the Westfield district. Westfield with these five feeders would have an enrollment large enough to sustain academic offerings and extra-curricular programs and, even if its FARMS rate increased somewhat (note that all these schools have FARMS rates well below Coates, which will get moved out) the FARMS rate would be lower than Herndon and many other schools further east.

Chantilly already has a lower FARMS rate. Moving Oak Hill out of Chantilly would increase, not decrease, the FARMS rate there. Centreville's FARMS rate would go down if Cub Run were swapped with Willow Springs, but it would still have other higher FARMS feeders. In any event, the rationale isn't to increase or decrease the FARMS rate at Centreville, but instead to make sure Westfield still has enough kids and also finally keep Willow Springs kids from having to travel all the way to Fairfax.

I notice you've offered no alternative, only complaints, so feel free to explain what you think makes sense, starting with who gets assigned to KAA and then addressing the spillover effects on Westfield and other schools.
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