Protests on college campuses

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So, where is Biden's DOJ during all of this?

Some - not all - of these protesters are in violation of Title VI of the Civil Rights Act which prohibits discrimination based on race, color, or national origin in programs or activities that receive federal financial assistance.

They have prevented students from going to areas on campus, they have chanted antisemitic rhetoric, held antisemitic signs, and threatened, harassed, and attacked Jewish students.

Where is the DOJ?

How can protesters violate a law that applies only institutions receiving financial assistance?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is the culmination of raising entire generations of people on social media that has bombarded them for 20+ years since they came out of the womb with messages that they're victims, everyone belongs to certain factions, and anyone not in your camp is an enemy.

Social media is toxic.

Well said. Screen time for children (maybe through middle school) has one overall result — destruction of the mind. Our government and the elite globalists are pleased. Dumbed down people are easy to control.

lol You have it backward. Social media removes the elite and control agents. The mainstream media is will never say negative thing about Israel as shown by the fake rape stories, the fake UNRWA stories, etc. Our government is bought for a few dollars but there is no deep no wide spread support for Israel. It’s all fake astroturf support.

All the demographic are running against Israel both here in the US and in Israel. US Jewish population is projected to decline while Hispanic, blacks and Asian populations will grow. Add in immigrants who have little concern for Israel because Jews make up such a small percentage of most countries population as to be none existent. Finally evangelistic Christians have dropped from 23% of the population to 14% and are expected to drop 5-6% by 2030.
While Israel is expected to increase its Haredim population(now at 12%) to 25% by 2030 and continue to growth at 16-20% a year. This means Israel’s hard right will continue to grow and become more extreme.

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Anonymous wrote:The reality is protests should happen in DC, not on campuses.

Even if a college divests, nothing changes. Like, literally nothing.

Protest peacefully in Washington. Lobby your reps on the Hill.

If you just want to cosplay “activist” on your parent’s dime instead of studying for exams, then do it in DC. At least it will be somewhat effective.

People don't want to do that in this instance for the repercussions of being labeled antisemitic or pro-Hamas or losing their job. That's why it will come out at the ballot box.*

For comparison, I was in this crowd of 100K on 10/26/2002 for the ANSWER rally to protest the looming war with Iraq. For comparison, I looked up the total death count by that point: about 22,000 Afghans. So not even close to the total death count in Palestine we've already unfortunately seen.

Bush did what he wanted and another 250K to 380K civilians died.

Here's the rally for those who want to relive, there was also a march: https://www.c-span.org/video/?173521-1/anti-war-rally

*AP polling as of early February (so undoubtedly much higher) showed...
"Half of US adults say the military response from Israel in the Gaza Strip has gone too far, up from November" and
Only "31% of U.S. adults approve of Biden’s handling of the conflict, including just 46% of Democrats"

https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-poll-biden-war-gaza-4159b28d313c6c37abdb7f14162bcdd1

Ok.

And which American presidential candidate will handle things differently/better…recognizing we really don’t have any control over what Israel does?

Biden stands with Israel.

Trump will, too.

So, is there someone you think has the silver bullet?

So, just leave Israel unchecked? Throw up our hands? I think most people in the world would hope people would protest 35K civilians dead in 6 months.

Um, do you not follow the news?

ICYMI: The US and the UK are working tirelessly to get this under control. Google it. Heavy coverage starting 48 hours ago. Go educate yourself on what the sane leaders from the civilized countries are doing to put an end to the suffering.

Nobody is leaving Israel unchecked. All of this is just more complicated at the local, regional, and global levels than you realize.

They're not following the news. The read sound-bites and parrot them over and over again.
Most of the people who can't go thirty seconds without barking out "Zionist" don't even know what a Zionist is and hadn't heard the term a year ago.

I am not a protester. And I do read the news. I do feel like the US administration is handling Israel with kid gloves on their abhorrent behavior in Gaza. And wish they would take a more even handed approach. I do think protesters should be able to make that point without being labeled as antisemitic or having their job offers rescinded etc. I hope it goes without saying that illegal activities like taking over a building etc could and should have consequences for the protesters. If you are willing to do illegal things to make your point, you should expect to deal with the fallout.

Also, on the “Zionist” thing. I had never really thought about what a Zionist believes until Biden declared himself a Zionist. Then I tried to understand it a little better and came away with understanding that it means in essence belief in the right to a Jewish state. So, I thought, “hey, I guess that makes me a Zionist too” because why shouldn’t we have one (or more) majority Jewish countries? It was only when I thought through the implications of how you can achieve a majority Jewish state in a land that is not majority Jewish, that I realized you have to have preferential immigration and citizenship laws to maintain the imbalance. So I can now say that I cannot support Zionism because for me, the right to a Jewish state does not override the rights of people of the region.

[Anonymous]

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Exactly. This is the real problem with the protests. I just got a letter from my kids college saying this is what’s happening and what they’re trying to stop. They clearly say they believe in peaceful protest and free speech within the rules. They are only asking people to adhere to rules like no encampments to make it easier for police to find guys like this who are just taking advantage of the chaos. Bad actors. It’s worse than ever and just like social media, you never know who is there and what their motive is.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is the culmination of raising entire generations of people on social media that has bombarded them for 20+ years since they came out of the womb with messages that they're victims, everyone belongs to certain factions, and anyone not in your camp is an enemy.

Social media is toxic.

Well said. Screen time for children (maybe through middle school) has one overall result — destruction of the mind. Our government and the elite globalists are pleased. Dumbed down people are easy to control.

lol You have it backward. Social media removes the elite and control agents. The mainstream media is will never say negative thing about Israel as shown by the fake rape stories, the fake UNRWA stories, etc. Our government is bought for a few dollars but there is no deep no wide spread support for Israel. It’s all fake astroturf support.

All the demographic are running against Israel both here in the US and in Israel. US Jewish population is projected to decline while Hispanic, blacks and Asian populations will grow. Add in immigrants who have little concern for Israel because Jews make up such a small percentage of most countries population as to be none existent. Finally evangelistic Christians have dropped from 23% of the population to 14% and are expected to drop 5-6% by 2030.
While Israel is expected to increase its Haredim population(now at 12%) to 25% by 2030 and continue to growth at 16-20% a year. This means Israel’s hard right will continue to grow and become more extreme.

DP. You aren't a parent? You aren't a mom or dad?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The reality is protests should happen in DC, not on campuses.

Even if a college divests, nothing changes. Like, literally nothing.

Protest peacefully in Washington. Lobby your reps on the Hill.

If you just want to cosplay “activist” on your parent’s dime instead of studying for exams, then do it in DC. At least it will be somewhat effective.

People don't want to do that in this instance for the repercussions of being labeled antisemitic or pro-Hamas or losing their job. That's why it will come out at the ballot box.*

For comparison, I was in this crowd of 100K on 10/26/2002 for the ANSWER rally to protest the looming war with Iraq. For comparison, I looked up the total death count by that point: about 22,000 Afghans. So not even close to the total death count in Palestine we've already unfortunately seen.

Bush did what he wanted and another 250K to 380K civilians died.

Here's the rally for those who want to relive, there was also a march: https://www.c-span.org/video/?173521-1/anti-war-rally

*AP polling as of early February (so undoubtedly much higher) showed...
"Half of US adults say the military response from Israel in the Gaza Strip has gone too far, up from November" and
Only "31% of U.S. adults approve of Biden’s handling of the conflict, including just 46% of Democrats"

https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-poll-biden-war-gaza-4159b28d313c6c37abdb7f14162bcdd1

Ok.

And which American presidential candidate will handle things differently/better…recognizing we really don’t have any control over what Israel does?

Biden stands with Israel.

Trump will, too.

So, is there someone you think has the silver bullet?

So, just leave Israel unchecked? Throw up our hands? I think most people in the world would hope people would protest 35K civilians dead in 6 months.

Um, do you not follow the news?

ICYMI: The US and the UK are working tirelessly to get this under control. Google it. Heavy coverage starting 48 hours ago. Go educate yourself on what the sane leaders from the civilized countries are doing to put an end to the suffering.

Nobody is leaving Israel unchecked. All of this is just more complicated at the local, regional, and global levels than you realize.

They're not following the news. The read sound-bites and parrot them over and over again.
Most of the people who can't go thirty seconds without barking out "Zionist" don't even know what a Zionist is and hadn't heard the term a year ago.

I am not a protester. And I do read the news. I do feel like the US administration is handling Israel with kid gloves on their abhorrent behavior in Gaza. And wish they would take a more even handed approach. I do think protesters should be able to make that point without being labeled as antisemitic or having their job offers rescinded etc. I hope it goes without saying that illegal activities like taking over a building etc could and should have consequences for the protesters. If you are willing to do illegal things to make your point, you should expect to deal with the fallout.

Also, on the “Zionist” thing. I had never really thought about what a Zionist believes until Biden declared himself a Zionist. Then I tried to understand it a little better and came away with understanding that it means in essence belief in the right to a Jewish state. So, I thought, “hey, I guess that makes me a Zionist too” because why shouldn’t we have one (or more) majority Jewish countries? It was only when I thought through the implications of how you can achieve a majority Jewish state in a land that is not majority Jewish, that I realized you have to have preferential immigration and citizenship laws to maintain the imbalance. So I can now say that I cannot support Zionism because for me, the right to a Jewish state does not override the rights of people of the region.

It's not just the logistics and the way implementation of the Zionist movement was effectuated as a brutal, ongoing massacre of indigenous people. It's the vile, vulgar, inhumane way that the extreme elements of the Zionist movement operate day-to-day, interacting with others who don't hold their views as sacrosanct. Zionists have co-opted what it means to be Jewish and tried to ensnare everyone who is critical of those extreme elements as an anti-semite in their grand plan to getting their way or crying wolf. Peaceful, adjusted, normal Jewish people don't share values with Zionists, just like peaceful, adjusted, normal Palestinians doesn't share values with Hamas. Zionism is the other side of the Hamas coin.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The reality is protests should happen in DC, not on campuses.

Even if a college divests, nothing changes. Like, literally nothing.

Protest peacefully in Washington. Lobby your reps on the Hill.

If you just want to cosplay “activist” on your parent’s dime instead of studying for exams, then do it in DC. At least it will be somewhat effective.

People don't want to do that in this instance for the repercussions of being labeled antisemitic or pro-Hamas or losing their job. That's why it will come out at the ballot box.*

For comparison, I was in this crowd of 100K on 10/26/2002 for the ANSWER rally to protest the looming war with Iraq. For comparison, I looked up the total death count by that point: about 22,000 Afghans. So not even close to the total death count in Palestine we've already unfortunately seen.

Bush did what he wanted and another 250K to 380K civilians died.

Here's the rally for those who want to relive, there was also a march: https://www.c-span.org/video/?173521-1/anti-war-rally

*AP polling as of early February (so undoubtedly much higher) showed...
"Half of US adults say the military response from Israel in the Gaza Strip has gone too far, up from November" and
Only "31% of U.S. adults approve of Biden’s handling of the conflict, including just 46% of Democrats"

https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-poll-biden-war-gaza-4159b28d313c6c37abdb7f14162bcdd1

Ok.

And which American presidential candidate will handle things differently/better…recognizing we really don’t have any control over what Israel does?

Biden stands with Israel.

Trump will, too.

So, is there someone you think has the silver bullet?

So, just leave Israel unchecked? Throw up our hands? I think most people in the world would hope people would protest 35K civilians dead in 6 months.

Um, do you not follow the news?

ICYMI: The US and the UK are working tirelessly to get this under control. Google it. Heavy coverage starting 48 hours ago. Go educate yourself on what the sane leaders from the civilized countries are doing to put an end to the suffering.

Nobody is leaving Israel unchecked. All of this is just more complicated at the local, regional, and global levels than you realize.

They're not following the news. The read sound-bites and parrot them over and over again.
Most of the people who can't go thirty seconds without barking out "Zionist" don't even know what a Zionist is and hadn't heard the term a year ago.

I am not a protester. And I do read the news. I do feel like the US administration is handling Israel with kid gloves on their abhorrent behavior in Gaza. And wish they would take a more even handed approach. I do think protesters should be able to make that point without being labeled as antisemitic or having their job offers rescinded etc. I hope it goes without saying that illegal activities like taking over a building etc could and should have consequences for the protesters. If you are willing to do illegal things to make your point, you should expect to deal with the fallout.

Also, on the “Zionist” thing. I had never really thought about what a Zionist believes until Biden declared himself a Zionist. Then I tried to understand it a little better and came away with understanding that it means in essence belief in the right to a Jewish state. So, I thought, “hey, I guess that makes me a Zionist too” because why shouldn’t we have one (or more) majority Jewish countries? It was only when I thought through the implications of how you can achieve a majority Jewish state in a land that is not majority Jewish, that I realized you have to have preferential immigration and citizenship laws to maintain the imbalance. So I can now say that I cannot support Zionism because for me, the right to a Jewish state does not override the rights of people of the region.

It's not just the logistics and the way implementation of the Zionist movement was effectuated as a brutal, ongoing massacre of indigenous people. It's the vile, vulgar, inhumane way that the extreme elements of the Zionist movement operate day-to-day, interacting with others who don't hold their views as sacrosanct. Zionists have co-opted what it means to be Jewish and tried to ensnare everyone who is critical of those extreme elements as an anti-semite in their grand plan to getting their way or crying wolf. Peaceful, adjusted, normal Jewish people don't share values with Zionists, just like peaceful, adjusted, normal Palestinians doesn't share values with Hamas. Zionism is the other side of the Hamas coin.

But that is exactly what you're doing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The reality is protests should happen in DC, not on campuses.

Even if a college divests, nothing changes. Like, literally nothing.

Protest peacefully in Washington. Lobby your reps on the Hill.

If you just want to cosplay “activist” on your parent’s dime instead of studying for exams, then do it in DC. At least it will be somewhat effective.

People don't want to do that in this instance for the repercussions of being labeled antisemitic or pro-Hamas or losing their job. That's why it will come out at the ballot box.*

For comparison, I was in this crowd of 100K on 10/26/2002 for the ANSWER rally to protest the looming war with Iraq. For comparison, I looked up the total death count by that point: about 22,000 Afghans. So not even close to the total death count in Palestine we've already unfortunately seen.

Bush did what he wanted and another 250K to 380K civilians died.

Here's the rally for those who want to relive, there was also a march: https://www.c-span.org/video/?173521-1/anti-war-rally

*AP polling as of early February (so undoubtedly much higher) showed...
"Half of US adults say the military response from Israel in the Gaza Strip has gone too far, up from November" and
Only "31% of U.S. adults approve of Biden’s handling of the conflict, including just 46% of Democrats"

https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-poll-biden-war-gaza-4159b28d313c6c37abdb7f14162bcdd1

Ok.

And which American presidential candidate will handle things differently/better…recognizing we really don’t have any control over what Israel does?

Biden stands with Israel.

Trump will, too.

So, is there someone you think has the silver bullet?

So, just leave Israel unchecked? Throw up our hands? I think most people in the world would hope people would protest 35K civilians dead in 6 months.

Um, do you not follow the news?

ICYMI: The US and the UK are working tirelessly to get this under control. Google it. Heavy coverage starting 48 hours ago. Go educate yourself on what the sane leaders from the civilized countries are doing to put an end to the suffering.

Nobody is leaving Israel unchecked. All of this is just more complicated at the local, regional, and global levels than you realize.

They're not following the news. The read sound-bites and parrot them over and over again.
Most of the people who can't go thirty seconds without barking out "Zionist" don't even know what a Zionist is and hadn't heard the term a year ago.

I am not a protester. And I do read the news. I do feel like the US administration is handling Israel with kid gloves on their abhorrent behavior in Gaza. And wish they would take a more even handed approach. I do think protesters should be able to make that point without being labeled as antisemitic or having their job offers rescinded etc. I hope it goes without saying that illegal activities like taking over a building etc could and should have consequences for the protesters. If you are willing to do illegal things to make your point, you should expect to deal with the fallout.

Also, on the “Zionist” thing. I had never really thought about what a Zionist believes until Biden declared himself a Zionist. Then I tried to understand it a little better and came away with understanding that it means in essence belief in the right to a Jewish state. So, I thought, “hey, I guess that makes me a Zionist too” because why shouldn’t we have one (or more) majority Jewish countries? It was only when I thought through the implications of how you can achieve a majority Jewish state in a land that is not majority Jewish, that I realized you have to have preferential immigration and citizenship laws to maintain the imbalance. So I can now say that I cannot support Zionism because for me, the right to a Jewish state does not override the rights of people of the region.

It's not just the logistics and the way implementation of the Zionist movement was effectuated as a brutal, ongoing massacre of indigenous people. It's the vile, vulgar, inhumane way that the extreme elements of the Zionist movement operate day-to-day, interacting with others who don't hold their views as sacrosanct. Zionists have co-opted what it means to be Jewish and tried to ensnare everyone who is critical of those extreme elements as an anti-semite in their grand plan to getting their way or crying wolf. Peaceful, adjusted, normal Jewish people don't share values with Zionists, just like peaceful, adjusted, normal Palestinians doesn't share values with Hamas. Zionism is the other side of the Hamas coin.

There are plenty of peaceful, adjusted, normal Jewish people who are Zionists. I personally know hundreds of them. And almost none of them live online.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The reality is protests should happen in DC, not on campuses.

Even if a college divests, nothing changes. Like, literally nothing.

Protest peacefully in Washington. Lobby your reps on the Hill.

If you just want to cosplay “activist” on your parent’s dime instead of studying for exams, then do it in DC. At least it will be somewhat effective.

People don't want to do that in this instance for the repercussions of being labeled antisemitic or pro-Hamas or losing their job. That's why it will come out at the ballot box.*

For comparison, I was in this crowd of 100K on 10/26/2002 for the ANSWER rally to protest the looming war with Iraq. For comparison, I looked up the total death count by that point: about 22,000 Afghans. So not even close to the total death count in Palestine we've already unfortunately seen.

Bush did what he wanted and another 250K to 380K civilians died.

Here's the rally for those who want to relive, there was also a march: https://www.c-span.org/video/?173521-1/anti-war-rally

*AP polling as of early February (so undoubtedly much higher) showed...
"Half of US adults say the military response from Israel in the Gaza Strip has gone too far, up from November" and
Only "31% of U.S. adults approve of Biden’s handling of the conflict, including just 46% of Democrats"

https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-poll-biden-war-gaza-4159b28d313c6c37abdb7f14162bcdd1

No, people don’t want to come to a protest because the rightfully fear some antifa jerk starting a riot, or people wearing swastikas, or people waving Hamas flags. I was at that exact same 2002 protest and it was totally different.

But in any event, the college student encampments are not going to be any more successful. They’ve likely only turned public opinion against themselves.

We know they are being influential and highly successful by the enormous military force deployed to crush them.

right, just like the BLM riots were highly successful.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The reality is protests should happen in DC, not on campuses.

Even if a college divests, nothing changes. Like, literally nothing.

Protest peacefully in Washington. Lobby your reps on the Hill.

If you just want to cosplay “activist” on your parent’s dime instead of studying for exams, then do it in DC. At least it will be somewhat effective.

People don't want to do that in this instance for the repercussions of being labeled antisemitic or pro-Hamas or losing their job. That's why it will come out at the ballot box.*

For comparison, I was in this crowd of 100K on 10/26/2002 for the ANSWER rally to protest the looming war with Iraq. For comparison, I looked up the total death count by that point: about 22,000 Afghans. So not even close to the total death count in Palestine we've already unfortunately seen.

Bush did what he wanted and another 250K to 380K civilians died.

Here's the rally for those who want to relive, there was also a march: https://www.c-span.org/video/?173521-1/anti-war-rally

*AP polling as of early February (so undoubtedly much higher) showed...
"Half of US adults say the military response from Israel in the Gaza Strip has gone too far, up from November" and
Only "31% of U.S. adults approve of Biden’s handling of the conflict, including just 46% of Democrats"

https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-poll-biden-war-gaza-4159b28d313c6c37abdb7f14162bcdd1

Ok.

And which American presidential candidate will handle things differently/better…recognizing we really don’t have any control over what Israel does?

Biden stands with Israel.

Trump will, too.

So, is there someone you think has the silver bullet?

So, just leave Israel unchecked? Throw up our hands? I think most people in the world would hope people would protest 35K civilians dead in 6 months.

Um, do you not follow the news?

ICYMI: The US and the UK are working tirelessly to get this under control. Google it. Heavy coverage starting 48 hours ago. Go educate yourself on what the sane leaders from the civilized countries are doing to put an end to the suffering.

Nobody is leaving Israel unchecked. All of this is just more complicated at the local, regional, and global levels than you realize.

They're not following the news. The read sound-bites and parrot them over and over again.
Most of the people who can't go thirty seconds without barking out "Zionist" don't even know what a Zionist is and hadn't heard the term a year ago.

I am not a protester. And I do read the news. I do feel like the US administration is handling Israel with kid gloves on their abhorrent behavior in Gaza. And wish they would take a more even handed approach. I do think protesters should be able to make that point without being labeled as antisemitic or having their job offers rescinded etc. I hope it goes without saying that illegal activities like taking over a building etc could and should have consequences for the protesters. If you are willing to do illegal things to make your point, you should expect to deal with the fallout.

Also, on the “Zionist” thing. I had never really thought about what a Zionist believes until Biden declared himself a Zionist. Then I tried to understand it a little better and came away with understanding that it means in essence belief in the right to a Jewish state. So, I thought, “hey, I guess that makes me a Zionist too” because why shouldn’t we have one (or more) majority Jewish countries? It was only when I thought through the implications of how you can achieve a majority Jewish state in a land that is not majority Jewish, that I realized you have to have preferential immigration and citizenship laws to maintain the imbalance. So I can now say that I cannot support Zionism because for me, the right to a Jewish state does not override the rights of people of the region.

It's not just the logistics and the way implementation of the Zionist movement was effectuated as a brutal, ongoing massacre of indigenous people. It's the vile, vulgar, inhumane way that the extreme elements of the Zionist movement operate day-to-day, interacting with others who don't hold their views as sacrosanct. Zionists have co-opted what it means to be Jewish and tried to ensnare everyone who is critical of those extreme elements as an anti-semite in their grand plan to getting their way or crying wolf. Peaceful, adjusted, normal Jewish people don't share values with Zionists, just like peaceful, adjusted, normal Palestinians doesn't share values with Hamas. Zionism is the other side of the Hamas coin.

But that is exactly what you're doing.

Really? How so? You think observing how maniacs behave, and then describing it with high fidelity to the facts, makes the observer just as bad?

Explain yourself.

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Really? You can’t imagine 39 year old PHD students, professors or employees at UCLA? You must live in a cave.

How old were the ZioNazis that stormed the campus?

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Anonymous wrote:The reality is protests should happen in DC, not on campuses.

Even if a college divests, nothing changes. Like, literally nothing.

Protest peacefully in Washington. Lobby your reps on the Hill.

If you just want to cosplay “activist” on your parent’s dime instead of studying for exams, then do it in DC. At least it will be somewhat effective.

People don't want to do that in this instance for the repercussions of being labeled antisemitic or pro-Hamas or losing their job. That's why it will come out at the ballot box.*

For comparison, I was in this crowd of 100K on 10/26/2002 for the ANSWER rally to protest the looming war with Iraq. For comparison, I looked up the total death count by that point: about 22,000 Afghans. So not even close to the total death count in Palestine we've already unfortunately seen.

Bush did what he wanted and another 250K to 380K civilians died.

Here's the rally for those who want to relive, there was also a march: https://www.c-span.org/video/?173521-1/anti-war-rally

*AP polling as of early February (so undoubtedly much higher) showed...
"Half of US adults say the military response from Israel in the Gaza Strip has gone too far, up from November" and
Only "31% of U.S. adults approve of Biden’s handling of the conflict, including just 46% of Democrats"

https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-poll-biden-war-gaza-4159b28d313c6c37abdb7f14162bcdd1

Ok.

And which American presidential candidate will handle things differently/better…recognizing we really don’t have any control over what Israel does?

Biden stands with Israel.

Trump will, too.

So, is there someone you think has the silver bullet?

So, just leave Israel unchecked? Throw up our hands? I think most people in the world would hope people would protest 35K civilians dead in 6 months.

Um, do you not follow the news?

ICYMI: The US and the UK are working tirelessly to get this under control. Google it. Heavy coverage starting 48 hours ago. Go educate yourself on what the sane leaders from the civilized countries are doing to put an end to the suffering.

Nobody is leaving Israel unchecked. All of this is just more complicated at the local, regional, and global levels than you realize.

They're not following the news. The read sound-bites and parrot them over and over again.
Most of the people who can't go thirty seconds without barking out "Zionist" don't even know what a Zionist is and hadn't heard the term a year ago.

I am not a protester. And I do read the news. I do feel like the US administration is handling Israel with kid gloves on their abhorrent behavior in Gaza. And wish they would take a more even handed approach. I do think protesters should be able to make that point without being labeled as antisemitic or having their job offers rescinded etc. I hope it goes without saying that illegal activities like taking over a building etc could and should have consequences for the protesters. If you are willing to do illegal things to make your point, you should expect to deal with the fallout.

Also, on the “Zionist” thing. I had never really thought about what a Zionist believes until Biden declared himself a Zionist. Then I tried to understand it a little better and came away with understanding that it means in essence belief in the right to a Jewish state. So, I thought, “hey, I guess that makes me a Zionist too” because why shouldn’t we have one (or more) majority Jewish countries? It was only when I thought through the implications of how you can achieve a majority Jewish state in a land that is not majority Jewish, that I realized you have to have preferential immigration and citizenship laws to maintain the imbalance. So I can now say that I cannot support Zionism because for me, the right to a Jewish state does not override the rights of people of the region.

It's not just the logistics and the way implementation of the Zionist movement was effectuated as a brutal, ongoing massacre of indigenous people. It's the vile, vulgar, inhumane way that the extreme elements of the Zionist movement operate day-to-day, interacting with others who don't hold their views as sacrosanct. Zionists have co-opted what it means to be Jewish and tried to ensnare everyone who is critical of those extreme elements as an anti-semite in their grand plan to getting their way or crying wolf. Peaceful, adjusted, normal Jewish people don't share values with Zionists, just like peaceful, adjusted, normal Palestinians doesn't share values with Hamas. Zionism is the other side of the Hamas coin.

There are plenty of peaceful, adjusted, normal Jewish people who are Zionists. I personally know hundreds of them. And almost none of them live online.

You're describing people who support the idea of a Jewish homeland, but who are otherwise rational, sensible and compassionate. Cool. I know hundreds of Jewish people who fit that description, too. Maybe not hundreds, but dozens.

But there's an element that has corrupted the Zionist movement who are essentially the worst human beings one could ever come across in 1,000 lives. Vengeful, bloodthirsty, insatiable appetite for harming others who dare to challenge them, etc.

Two groups. One normal and adjusted. The other bloodthirsty and maniacal.

Do you understand?

[Anonymous]

Mayor of New York just said all the protesters were terrorists. Did not define what actual acts made them terrorist but they were on NYCPD “watch”. Think it was because they were Muslim or black.

[Anonymous]

Nazi propagandists were tried for war crimes.