Kid sentenced to 24 years in prison for killing a mother and child while drag racing

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He’s 21. Why was he a “kid” while black and brown boys under 18 are not given that courtesy on DCUM. Years ago, I used to regularly confront reporters over this. One reporter described a black 17 year old and her mom as “two women” while describing a white 23 year old and her mother as “girl and her mom”. This was in the same story!

^^^So much truth here, sis!

Because he reminds them of their sons that they parented the right way, spent thousands of dollars in private education on the ones that are supposed to go to an Ivy and be doctors.

It's funny watching people twist themselves into excuses, cars are made to go too fast , the road was too long other kids are doing it, we need criminal justice reform.

No mention of I don't know, just following the law.

Too many people want to make excuses for all kinds of wrong behavior, instead of helping our kids internalize from a very young age such values as honesty, kindness, strong work ethic, being a law-abuding citizen, etc. Lift kids up and have high standards. Affirm kids with love and praise but quit lowering expectations and giving rewards when not deserved. Give consequences for wrong behavior. We need more parents, teachers, coaches and ministers to speak the truth. Just one example--As Jesse Jackson used to say, no one is too poor to cut off the tv for 2 hrs and study.

Okay Polly Anna.

PP here. Nope. Not Pollyanna at all, but I've worked with middle schoolers and mentors for a long time. What I wrote does make a tremendous diffetence difference!

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Anonymous wrote:This case makes for a great debate about our criminal justice system. For me, I’m in favor on the long sentence. In my opinion, a sentence like that serves as a deterrent and therefore saves other lives. I get the other side though too. After a few years in jail, he’s probably not a danger to society anymore. Or if he is, it’s for new reasons linked to incarceration. It’s a sad sad story, but mostly for the family of the victims.

Do you have evidence that it works as a deterrent or do you just hope it does?

Just hope it does. Just sharing my un-researched instincts. I could be wrong.

Yea. You are wrong actually.

Teen brains don’t work that way.

There is a ton of evidence that if you take a violent offender who is younger than 25 and rehabilitate the recidivism rate is low.

If you send them to typical jail their recidivism is very high. You are essentially creating a career criminal. They come out an even more dangerous criminal.

Those who work in criminal justice are saddened to see that we as a society are so addicted to putting young black men in jail we will now throw away white peoples lives just to prove we are being “even”.

We are going in the wrong direction.

You make great points. But what about deterrent to others? Tough consequences might prevent other kids from doing it. Or adults. That’s the deterrent I was speaking of.

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He’s 21. Why was he a “kid” while black and brown boys under 18 are not given that courtesy on DCUM. Years ago, I used to regularly confront reporters over this. One reporter described a black 17 year old and her mom as “two women” while describing a white 23 year old and her mother as “girl and her mom”. This was in the same story!

^^^So much truth here, sis!

Actually if you ate an advocate for black kids you don’t want 18 yo white bits (he was 18 not 21) tried as adults because they will hold up this 1 in a million example as ”not being racist”.

We know that treating an 18 yo as a juvenile leads to rehabilitation and sending them to jail trains a violent killer.

The point just sailed right over your head, didn't it? Is there a term like mansplaining for people who try to explain how racism works to POC?

Because you don’t study criminal justice system reform and I do.

There's so much here, that you assume you know my educational and career background. That the point is still sailing over your head.

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Anonymous wrote:I think this sentence is very, very excessive and sad. Of course, it's sad kid killed people needlessly. He should've taken 6 year plea. His parents must've known minimum sentencing guideline. So as far as the sentence goes, I blame the parents. This case is not about race or worthy of comparison.

Holy crap is that what the DA offered him? I know that’s what the other driver pled to but he was 17, not 18.

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Anonymous wrote:For people who think prisons are the best solution to the issues of public safety and justice, I recommend the work of Angela Davis. There are better and more effective solutions than prisons.

https://level.medium.com/why-arguments-against-abolition-inevitably-fail-991342b8d042

I would click that link but I remember the outpouring of fury a month ago when two D.C. teens killed a man while trying to steal his car. Where was the 'prisons aren't the best solution' logic then?

It was there, you just didn’t see it. I mean, maybe not fury (I don’t feel furious), but prison abolition is a concept that has been around for decades.

Yeah, sorry I don't agree. Murderers, rapists, and child pedophiles need to be locked away from everyone else. You don't rehabilitate that.

And this kid was warned before about his driving speeds. He chose to drag race on a crowded thoroughfare in Tampa.

This woman and her child are gone forever.

Nobody is denying the reprehensibility of his conduct. Also I don’t see that you have an interest about learning about prison reform. Which is a bummer.

Are you freakin kidding? A white kid kills two people because of his own reprehensible actions and NOW you cry for prison reform. Go pound sand.

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He is a privileged, cis-gender white male. Let him rot in prison.

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Unfortunately we don't have the same justice here in California. The 17 year old who killed the 32 year old woman with his OWN lamborghini (his dad has another one) is only being convicted as a child. Outrageous.

If it's an adult vehicle, it should be an adult punishment.

If someone isn't legally responsible for their actions then they shouldn't be allowed to get behind the wheel of a car.

I think the sentence in Florida is very appropriate.

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Anonymous wrote:I think this sentence is very, very excessive and sad. Of course, it's sad kid killed people needlessly. He should've taken 6 year plea. His parents must've known minimum sentencing guideline. So as far as the sentence goes, I blame the parents. This case is not about race or worthy of comparison.

Holy crap is that what the DA offered him? I know that’s what the other driver pled to but he was 17, not 18.

He probably was not offered 6 years...their arguments when entering the open plea do not make sense if that was the case, so presumably he was always looking at a much harsher sentence.

Defendant 1 (Barrineau) was the 17 year old who was racing with/ahead him that negotiated a plea deal with prosecution for 6 years. He swerved and did not hit Jessica and Lilia. He obviously has significant culpability in the fatal accident, but I can see why prosecutors negotiated a relatively lower plea deal with him, because of the circumstances existing in his case.

Defendant 2 (Herrin) who is pictured in this thread was driving behind Barrineau and hit Jessica and Lilia. There was also “black box” type info recovered from his Ford Mustang with speed information. He was 18 at the time. He did plead guilty but he entered an open plea which means a judge would decide his sentence after hearing arguments, rather than accepting a deal negotiated with the prosecutors.

I haven’t seen any info about what prosecutors offered Herrin, but I would speculate that any deal he was offered carried a much higher sentence than 6 years. It appears that his attorneys argued (to the judge) that he should receive the same or similar sentence as Defendent 1. This is probably the reason they decided to enter an open plea rather than accept the prosecutor’s deal, to have the chance to argue before the court for a lower sentence.

From the prosecution side the vehicular homicide case is obviously strong against him, and he was 18 at the time, so I can see why prosecutors wouldn’t be willing to negotiate a deal with a sentence anywhere near defendant 1’s sentence. Speculation but I’m guessing any deal would have been around 20-24 years and 5-10 years probation since the max is 30.

It’s a terrible case and it is what it is if he went to trial, tried to argue before a judge, tried to negotiate with prosecutors etc. Not a lot of mitigating factors, this was pure recklessness. I do think there are valid questions about the productivity of the carceral system in the United States but it’s what we have and this was pure dangerous behavior.

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Anonymous wrote:He had a chance to agree to a plea deal like his fellow driver who got 6 years. He decided to go to trial in a state where all prisoners are required to finish a minimum of 85% of their sentence.

Arrogant little cuss until the end. Good glad he is going to be put away, wish his enabling parents could go with him.

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Anonymous wrote:Unfortunately we don't have the same justice here in California. The 17 year old who killed the 32 year old woman with his OWN lamborghini (his dad has another one) is only being convicted as a child. Outrageous.

If it's an adult vehicle, it should be an adult punishment.

If someone isn't legally responsible for their actions then they shouldn't be allowed to get behind the wheel of a car.

I think the sentence in Florida is very appropriate.

Yeah, I thought about that case when I read this one. Do you know how long Brendan Khuri is looking at from CA judges for it?

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Anonymous wrote:I think this sentence is very, very excessive and sad. Of course, it's sad kid killed people needlessly. He should've taken 6 year plea. His parents must've known minimum sentencing guideline. So as far as the sentence goes, I blame the parents. This case is not about race or worthy of comparison.

He was not offered 6 years. The other boy (who raced but didn’t hit anyone) was.

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This woman and her child are gone forever.

What a beautiful young mom and enchanting baby. That man lost his wife and child, who clearly was his pride and joy.

The little monster can rot in jail.

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He’s 21. Why was he a “kid” while black and brown boys under 18 are not given that courtesy on DCUM. Years ago, I used to regularly confront reporters over this. One reporter described a black 17 year old and her mom as “two women” while describing a white 23 year old and her mother as “girl and her mom”. This was in the same story!

^^^So much truth here, sis!

Actually if you ate an advocate for black kids you don’t want 18 yo white bits (he was 18 not 21) tried as adults because they will hold up this 1 in a million example as ”not being racist”.

We know that treating an 18 yo as a juvenile leads to rehabilitation and sending them to jail trains a violent killer.

The point just sailed right over your head, didn't it? Is there a term like mansplaining for people who try to explain how racism works to POC?

Because you don’t study criminal justice system reform and I do.

There's so much here, that you assume you know my educational and career background. That the point is still sailing over your head.

It’s clear from your comments you don’t.

Start with 3 strikes your out. It’s a nice little start.

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This woman and her child are gone forever.

What a beautiful young mom and enchanting baby. That man lost his wife and child, who clearly was his pride and joy.

The little monster can rot in jail.

I agree. I bet even now all he and his parents care about is their own suffering.

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This woman and her child are gone forever.

What a beautiful young mom and enchanting baby. That man lost his wife and child, who clearly was his pride and joy.

The little monster can rot in jail.

I agree with this for all who use a vehicle recklessly, including street racing as here, drunk driving, carjacking, and those people who ride motor bikes on the beltway and elsewhere is crazy dangerous ways, all putting themselves and others in grave danger.