Can we talk about the equality act?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

It included transgender. And transgender people existed in the Ancient Near East too. We know this because the Bible has a
prohibition against cross dressing. Why would they have such a prohibition if people weren't doing it?

How many took hormones and had genital surgery? I know there were eunochs. Did they wish to be that way? I think I've read that young choir boys also underwent some procedures to increase the length of time they would be sopranos. Was that a good thing?

Well the people that did these things apparently thought it was good, but unfortunately, there is nobody around left to ask. In all times and places, some people did strange things to their bodies. If you tell them they can't they often do it anyway. Sometimes they kill themselves if you don't let them. If they are that desparate for whatever crazy reason, it's better to let them do it rather than kill themselves.

Where else do we say we should give people what they want because the alternative is suicide? If someone threatens suicide, they need mental health treatment, not hormones and surgery.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Well the people that did these things apparently thought it was good, but unfortunately, there is nobody around left to ask. In all times and places, some people did strange things to their bodies. If you tell them they can't they often do it anyway. Sometimes they kill themselves if you don't let them. If they are that desparate for whatever crazy reason, it's better to let them do it rather than kill themselves.

Do you think those eunuchs and the choir boys chose to be castrated? Somehow, I don't think so. But, if an adult wants this, then that's for them to decide. But, adolescents? Not such a good idea.

You don't know what life was like for a poor kid in the 18th century who could no longer sing and had no other skills. And those eunuchs? Who do you think actually ran the Ottoman Empire? People lined up for those jobs, despite the drawbacks. Do a deep dive into a history. Learn why some thought a little snipping was better than a life of misery and poverty.

DP. Start a new thread if you want to give an ancient history lecture. This is not that thread.

[Anonymous]

Where else do we say we should give people what they want because the alternative is suicide? If someone threatens suicide, they need mental health treatment, not hormones and surgery.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

You don't know what life was like for a poor kid in the 18th century who could no longer sing and had no other skills. And those eunuchs? Who do you think actually ran the Ottoman Empire? People lined up for those jobs, despite the drawbacks. Do a deep dive into a history. Learn why some thought a little snipping was better than a life of misery and poverty.

Well, I never gave it much thought, but it sounds pretty awful to me. Do you think it is okay for parents to allow their kids to have this done?

Not today. But in the 18th Century it was a ticket to success where there were few other options and failure meant a life of hard labor and poverty. We don't know how good we have it today.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can we please go back to the topic? The lack of response makes me think a lot of people don’t have enough understanding about this.

Because trans women are women, they should play women’s sports. Basic human rights here. Not much to debate. Sorry not sorry.

Trans women are not biological woman. It’s a simple as that. I am a gay married woman with 2 stepdaughters and do not feel it would be fair for either of them to play against a a trans female in their competitive soccer league.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

It included transgender. And transgender people existed in the Ancient Near East too. We know this because the Bible has a
prohibition against cross dressing. Why would they have such a prohibition if people weren't doing it?

How many took hormones and had genital surgery? I know there were eunochs. Did they wish to be that way? I think I've read that young choir boys also underwent some procedures to increase the length of time they would be sopranos. Was that a good thing?

Well the people that did these things apparently thought it was good, but unfortunately, there is nobody around left to ask. In all times and places, some people did strange things to their bodies. If you tell them they can't they often do it anyway. Sometimes they kill themselves if you don't let them. If they are that desparate for whatever crazy reason, it's better to let them do it rather than kill themselves.

Where else do we say we should give people what they want because the alternative is suicide? If someone threatens suicide, they need mental health treatment, not hormones and surgery.

Did you know that mental health treatment often doesn't work? Do you even know how difficult some cases are to treat and what kids who are not even transgender do to themselves while parents desperately try one treatment after another? Take your ablist privilege elsewhere and thank God if you don't.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Well the people that did these things apparently thought it was good, but unfortunately, there is nobody around left to ask. In all times and places, some people did strange things to their bodies. If you tell them they can't they often do it anyway. Sometimes they kill themselves if you don't let them. If they are that desparate for whatever crazy reason, it's better to let them do it rather than kill themselves.

Do you think those eunuchs and the choir boys chose to be castrated? Somehow, I don't think so. But, if an adult wants this, then that's for them to decide. But, adolescents? Not such a good idea.

You don't know what life was like for a poor kid in the 18th century who could no longer sing and had no other skills. And those eunuchs? Who do you think actually ran the Ottoman Empire? People lined up for those jobs, despite the drawbacks. Do a deep dive into a history. Learn why some thought a little snipping was better than a life of misery and poverty.

DP. Start a new thread if you want to give an ancient history lecture. This is not that thread.

The point here is that people think transgender is some new postmodern thing dreamed up by a bunch of activists. But these people have existed throughout all of history, and it's time we made room for them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Well the people that did these things apparently thought it was good, but unfortunately, there is nobody around left to ask. In all times and places, some people did strange things to their bodies. If you tell them they can't they often do it anyway. Sometimes they kill themselves if you don't let them. If they are that desparate for whatever crazy reason, it's better to let them do it rather than kill themselves.

Do you think those eunuchs and the choir boys chose to be castrated? Somehow, I don't think so. But, if an adult wants this, then that's for them to decide. But, adolescents? Not such a good idea.

You don't know what life was like for a poor kid in the 18th century who could no longer sing and had no other skills. And those eunuchs? Who do you think actually ran the Ottoman Empire? People lined up for those jobs, despite the drawbacks. Do a deep dive into a history. Learn why some thought a little snipping was better than a life of misery and poverty.

DP. Start a new thread if you want to give an ancient history lecture. This is not that thread.

The point here is that people think transgender is some new postmodern thing dreamed up by a bunch of activists. But these people have existed throughout all of history, and it's time we made room for them.

“Making room” is ensuring they have access to jobs and housing like anyone else. It doesn’t mean allowing biological men to compete against women in sports, or be housed with biological women in shelters or jails, or give minors hormones and surgery.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Well the people that did these things apparently thought it was good, but unfortunately, there is nobody around left to ask. In all times and places, some people did strange things to their bodies. If you tell them they can't they often do it anyway. Sometimes they kill themselves if you don't let them. If they are that desparate for whatever crazy reason, it's better to let them do it rather than kill themselves.

Do you think those eunuchs and the choir boys chose to be castrated? Somehow, I don't think so. But, if an adult wants this, then that's for them to decide. But, adolescents? Not such a good idea.

You don't know what life was like for a poor kid in the 18th century who could no longer sing and had no other skills. And those eunuchs? Who do you think actually ran the Ottoman Empire? People lined up for those jobs, despite the drawbacks. Do a deep dive into a history. Learn why some thought a little snipping was better than a life of misery and poverty.

DP. Start a new thread if you want to give an ancient history lecture. This is not that thread.

The point here is that people think transgender is some new postmodern thing dreamed up by a bunch of activists. But these people have existed throughout all of history, and it's time we made room for them.

I agree - let’s start a transgender sports league. It’s certainly not fair to have biological boys competing against biological girls.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Well the people that did these things apparently thought it was good, but unfortunately, there is nobody around left to ask. In all times and places, some people did strange things to their bodies. If you tell them they can't they often do it anyway. Sometimes they kill themselves if you don't let them. If they are that desparate for whatever crazy reason, it's better to let them do it rather than kill themselves.

Do you think those eunuchs and the choir boys chose to be castrated? Somehow, I don't think so. But, if an adult wants this, then that's for them to decide. But, adolescents? Not such a good idea.

You don't know what life was like for a poor kid in the 18th century who could no longer sing and had no other skills. And those eunuchs? Who do you think actually ran the Ottoman Empire? People lined up for those jobs, despite the drawbacks. Do a deep dive into a history. Learn why some thought a little snipping was better than a life of misery and poverty.

DP. Start a new thread if you want to give an ancient history lecture. This is not that thread.

The point here is that people think transgender is some new postmodern thing dreamed up by a bunch of activists. But these people have existed throughout all of history, and it's time we made room for them.

“Making room” is ensuring they have access to jobs and housing like anyone else. It doesn’t mean allowing biological men to compete against women in sports, or be housed with biological women in shelters or jails, or give minors hormones and surgery.

+1

Except I think we should start with the first part of the point and then address the second.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

It included transgender. And transgender people existed in the Ancient Near East too. We know this because the Bible has a
prohibition against cross dressing. Why would they have such a prohibition if people weren't doing it?

How many took hormones and had genital surgery? I know there were eunochs. Did they wish to be that way? I think I've read that young choir boys also underwent some procedures to increase the length of time they would be sopranos. Was that a good thing?

Well the people that did these things apparently thought it was good, but unfortunately, there is nobody around left to ask. In all times and places, some people did strange things to their bodies. If you tell them they can't they often do it anyway. Sometimes they kill themselves if you don't let them. If they are that desparate for whatever crazy reason, it's better to let them do it rather than kill themselves.

Where else do we say we should give people what they want because the alternative is suicide? If someone threatens suicide, they need mental health treatment, not hormones and surgery.

Did you know that mental health treatment often doesn't work? Do you even know how difficult some cases are to treat and what kids who are not even transgender do to themselves while parents desperately try one treatment after another? Take your ablist privilege elsewhere and thank God if you don't.

Do we tell anorexics they really are fat and they should continue to starve themselves? Do we tell someone with a partner threatening suicide they should stay with them? Why is this suicide threat okay for transgender people but not other scenarios?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

It included transgender. And transgender people existed in the Ancient Near East too. We know this because the Bible has a
prohibition against cross dressing. Why would they have such a prohibition if people weren't doing it?

How many took hormones and had genital surgery? I know there were eunochs. Did they wish to be that way? I think I've read that young choir boys also underwent some procedures to increase the length of time they would be sopranos. Was that a good thing?

Well the people that did these things apparently thought it was good, but unfortunately, there is nobody around left to ask. In all times and places, some people did strange things to their bodies. If you tell them they can't they often do it anyway. Sometimes they kill themselves if you don't let them. If they are that desparate for whatever crazy reason, it's better to let them do it rather than kill themselves.

Where else do we say we should give people what they want because the alternative is suicide? If someone threatens suicide, they need mental health treatment, not hormones and surgery.

Did you know that mental health treatment often doesn't work? Do you even know how difficult some cases are to treat and what kids who are not even transgender do to themselves while parents desperately try one treatment after another? Take your ablist privilege elsewhere and thank God if you don't.

Do we tell anorexics they really are fat and they should continue to starve themselves? Do we tell someone with a partner threatening suicide they should stay with them? Why is this suicide threat okay for transgender people but not other scenarios?

. Have you ever dealt with mental illness or not? If you have you would know how stupid that question is.

[Anonymous]

I absolutely believe transgender individuals deserve equal treatment under the law free from discrimination and hate. However, I have some issues with this movement and I think people are afraid to speak out for fear of being called transphobic. For example, biological males should not be competing against girls. This is just common sense and you can easily find studies showing the differences between male and female bodies. Hormones only change so much. Denying biological reality and saying transwomen are really women. I have no problem if an individual wants to identify as a woman but they are not a biological women. In the UK they are trying to use the words "cervix bearers" and "menstruators" instead of woman. I read the other day they want to replace the term "breastfeeding" with "chestfeeding". Lesbians have been accused of being transphobic if they don't want to date a transwoman with a "ladydick". Children should not be making lifelong decisions regarding transition including puberty blockers, mastectomies, and hormones causing irreversible changes. I have no problems if an adult with gender dysphoria wants to transition but children do not have mental capacity to be making a huge decision like that. Women fought hard for their own spaces and we deserve to feel safe. And yes women in prison have been raped by transgender women. And if a transgender women rapes a women they are recorded as a female perpetrator.

[Anonymous]

Given the broad opposition to this bill, I am surprised that it passed the house. This is going to come back to haunt them politically.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

It included transgender. And transgender people existed in the Ancient Near East too. We know this because the Bible has a
prohibition against cross dressing. Why would they have such a prohibition if people weren't doing it?

How many took hormones and had genital surgery? I know there were eunochs. Did they wish to be that way? I think I've read that young choir boys also underwent some procedures to increase the length of time they would be sopranos. Was that a good thing?

Well the people that did these things apparently thought it was good, but unfortunately, there is nobody around left to ask. In all times and places, some people did strange things to their bodies. If you tell them they can't they often do it anyway. Sometimes they kill themselves if you don't let them. If they are that desparate for whatever crazy reason, it's better to let them do it rather than kill themselves.

Where else do we say we should give people what they want because the alternative is suicide? If someone threatens suicide, they need mental health treatment, not hormones and surgery.

Did you know that mental health treatment often doesn't work? Do you even know how difficult some cases are to treat and what kids who are not even transgender do to themselves while parents desperately try one treatment after another? Take your ablist privilege elsewhere and thank God if you don't.

Do we tell anorexics they really are fat and they should continue to starve themselves? Do we tell someone with a partner threatening suicide they should stay with them? Why is this suicide threat okay for transgender people but not other scenarios?

Letting transgender people take over women’s sports and bathrooms is more like forcing everyone in the world to never eat food in public again because it might offend an anorexic person or make them feel uncomfortable or not included.