Teachers are Vital Public Servants and Should Act Like It

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I wonder if this teacher, who is teaching children in the London Underground during WWII because it was unsafe to be above ground, would be complaining about having to put on a mask and teach during COVID.

Notice all those kids are health and able-bodied. During that time period kids were struck down by polio, scarlet fever, and whooping cough. Guess where they are not? In school, where they could transmit the contagion to other kids.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if this teacher, who is teaching children in the London Underground during WWII because it was unsafe to be above ground, would be complaining about having to put on a mask and teach during COVID.

Notice all those kids are health and able-bodied. During that time period kids were struck down by polio, scarlet fever, and whooping cough. Guess where they are not? In school, where they could transmit the contagion to other kids.

Way to side-step the issue.

The point is that, during WWII, people actually understood that, despite the risks, schooling needed to continue. That woman could have decided to go into a smaller bomb shelter, rather than being in the Tube, which was a target (since everyone knew people sheltered there, en masse).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if this teacher, who is teaching children in the London Underground during WWII because it was unsafe to be above ground, would be complaining about having to put on a mask and teach during COVID.

Notice all those kids are health and able-bodied. During that time period kids were struck down by polio, scarlet fever, and whooping cough. Guess where they are not? In school, where they could transmit the contagion to other kids.

Way to side-step the issue.

The point is that, during WWII, people actually understood that, despite the risks, schooling needed to continue. That woman could have decided to go into a smaller bomb shelter, rather than being in the Tube, which was a target (since everyone knew people sheltered there, en masse).

You're comparing apples-to-oranges. During the War on Terror and the Gulf War - kids were in school as well. They were not however in school with peers who spread viral contagious diseases. Period. Sorry you can't understand that.

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Anonymous wrote:I really wish I could tell whether this article is wise advice or just another UMC professional working from home who is sick of having his children underfoot (I googled — he has two children). In this debate it is so hard to separate the message from the messenger. People are more than happy to embrace risk when it’s not a risk to them personally.

How is that parents aren't undertaking any risk? I hear this a lot. If their kids go to school and get COVID, there's a high chance they might pass it on to their parents. Parents are at risk. Interhousehold transmission is high.

I think your point is that parents are willing to take that risk because they will derive a clear and significant benefit from it -- namely a huge increase in the quality of education of their children.

Teachers are not willing to take the risk because there's no such benefit to them, other than general society benefit. It's just human nature than that really isn't a motivating force like personal benefit.

Exactly this. There's no upside for teachers to go to work.

The “upside” to teachers to do their jobs should be that they get paid, and if they don’t do their jobs then they don’t get paid. The requirements of their jobs are clearly described in their employment contracts, and don’t involve sitting at home all day in their pajamas collecting full pay.

They could have offered some new positions to certain teachers for the DL stuff, at half pay. Some people would have done it, and some not. That’s fine. They could have grouped more kids together for the distance “learning”. But teachers should only have been getting full pay for doing their actual job.

You are incorrect that it appears anywhere in our job description to teach in school buildings during a crisis. Teachers will not be accepting half pay because the government has entirely neglected to do THEIR job and control the pandemic. Other countries have done so, and are now returning to normal. The US continues to spiral out of control and experience death and devastation on a staggering scale.

Teachers aren’t going to take the fall for this, although it would be convenient for the inept governors, senators, congressman, and president to push us all back to the buildings so the economy can thrive. The economy never provides for education. IDEA has never been funded-its just a huge unfounded mandate that government threw at our feet. Teachers are never relieved of the burden of purchasing their own supplies and materials in a boom economy. School buildings are in disrepair, without modern ventilation, technology, or sufficient plumbing. Education budgets are slashed again and again as politicians talk about making “tough choices” while giving tax cuts to the wealthy and corporations.

Enough with the “sitting at home in their pajamas” vitriol that is reserved for teachers and not the rest of the remote economy. Parents complain that teachers aren’t doing their jobs while bemoaning the difficulties of managing their own zoom meetings while supervising their kids. I thought you were just relaxing in your pjs? Anyone with half a brain should be able to ensure their children aren’t playing Fortnite during math class if that’s all they’re doing.

Keep rambling. Meanwhile, countless essential workers have been working in-person this entire time — myself included.

if you think a teacher is essential like a doctor - many have the same years of education and training - then pay her like you pay a doctor!!!

Did you just say some teachers have education comparable to doctors? Oh my god you people are insane.

You weren’t aware teachers did 11-12 years of post college training?

Many physicians do 11-12 years of post college training. My husband finished medical training at 35. Started career at 35 with $250k in loans.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if this teacher, who is teaching children in the London Underground during WWII because it was unsafe to be above ground, would be complaining about having to put on a mask and teach during COVID.

Notice all those kids are health and able-bodied. During that time period kids were struck down by polio, scarlet fever, and whooping cough. Guess where they are not? In school, where they could transmit the contagion to other kids.

Way to side-step the issue.

The point is that, during WWII, people actually understood that, despite the risks, schooling needed to continue. That woman could have decided to go into a smaller bomb shelter, rather than being in the Tube, which was a target (since everyone knew people sheltered there, en masse).

You're comparing apples-to-oranges. During the War on Terror and the Gulf War - kids were in school as well. They were not however in school with peers who spread viral contagious diseases. Period. Sorry you can't understand that.

No, you’re the one not getting it. The wars you referenced did not involve any risk to civilians in the USA (or in the UK, as it happens).

People gathering in the Tube were taking a risk. The Germans knew they were down there.

[Anonymous]

Literally LMFAO at the WWII images. We DO NOT have the social trust that society had back then. Everytime you've made an aggressive comment on a thread you've dug the hole deeper. It's not going to be like that because we as a society are different. Probably not for the better but complaining about it on an anonymous forum won't help. Scream into the void or find a way to productively to channel your frustrations. If you post more images from the "good old days" I might pee my pants from laughing tho. 🤣

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if this teacher, who is teaching children in the London Underground during WWII because it was unsafe to be above ground, would be complaining about having to put on a mask and teach during COVID.

Notice all those kids are health and able-bodied. During that time period kids were struck down by polio, scarlet fever, and whooping cough. Guess where they are not? In school, where they could transmit the contagion to other kids.

Way to side-step the issue.

The point is that, during WWII, people actually understood that, despite the risks, schooling needed to continue. That woman could have decided to go into a smaller bomb shelter, rather than being in the Tube, which was a target (since everyone knew people sheltered there, en masse).

You're comparing apples-to-oranges. During the War on Terror and the Gulf War - kids were in school as well. They were not however in school with peers who spread viral contagious diseases. Period. Sorry you can't understand that.

Yes they were. Diphtheria outbreaks in local schools happened regularly at that time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Literally LMFAO at the WWII images. We DO NOT have the social trust that society had back then. Everytime you've made an aggressive comment on a thread you've dug the hole deeper. It's not going to be like that because we as a society are different. Probably not for the better but complaining about it on an anonymous forum won't help. Scream into the void or find a way to productively to channel your frustrations. If you post more images from the "good old days" I might pee my pants from laughing tho. 🤣

Go away, nasty person.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if this teacher, who is teaching children in the London Underground during WWII because it was unsafe to be above ground, would be complaining about having to put on a mask and teach during COVID.

Notice all those kids are health and able-bodied. During that time period kids were struck down by polio, scarlet fever, and whooping cough. Guess where they are not? In school, where they could transmit the contagion to other kids.

I can almost guarantee that if the internet was around they would be doing virtual learning as well. Can you try to use an example that isn't 70-80 years old?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if this teacher, who is teaching children in the London Underground during WWII because it was unsafe to be above ground, would be complaining about having to put on a mask and teach during COVID.

Notice all those kids are health and able-bodied. During that time period kids were struck down by polio, scarlet fever, and whooping cough. Guess where they are not? In school, where they could transmit the contagion to other kids.

I can almost guarantee that if the internet was around they would be doing virtual learning as well. Can you try to use an example that isn't 70-80 years old?

You’ll never learn to be reasonable or anything but self-involved.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Literally LMFAO at the WWII images. We DO NOT have the social trust that society had back then. Everytime you've made an aggressive comment on a thread you've dug the hole deeper. It's not going to be like that because we as a society are different. Probably not for the better but complaining about it on an anonymous forum won't help. Scream into the void or find a way to productively to channel your frustrations. If you post more images from the "good old days" I might pee my pants from laughing tho. 🤣

Go away, nasty person.

Lol if that's your response that means you know I'm right!

[Anonymous]

I'm glad teachers are standing up for themselves. The majority of them are women and are used to being walked all over. It's time that they take a stand. Can you fault them for wanting to keep themselves and their families healthy?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Literally LMFAO at the WWII images. We DO NOT have the social trust that society had back then. Everytime you've made an aggressive comment on a thread you've dug the hole deeper. It's not going to be like that because we as a society are different. Probably not for the better but complaining about it on an anonymous forum won't help. Scream into the void or find a way to productively to channel your frustrations. If you post more images from the "good old days" I might pee my pants from laughing tho. 🤣

Go away, nasty person.

Lol if that's your response that means you know I'm right!

Keep telling yourself that. You’re so wrong. Just because you’re a nasty prick doesn’t mean the rest of us are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm glad teachers are standing up for themselves. The majority of them are women and are used to being walked all over. It's time that they take a stand. Can you fault them for wanting to keep themselves and their families healthy?

This woman calls BS on this.

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Anonymous wrote:Literally LMFAO at the WWII images. We DO NOT have the social trust that society had back then. Everytime you've made an aggressive comment on a thread you've dug the hole deeper. It's not going to be like that because we as a society are different. Probably not for the better but complaining about it on an anonymous forum won't help. Scream into the void or find a way to productively to channel your frustrations. If you post more images from the "good old days" I might pee my pants from laughing tho. 🤣

Go away, nasty person.

Lol if that's your response that means you know I'm right!

Keep telling yourself that. You’re so wrong. Just because you’re a nasty prick doesn’t mean the rest of us are.

Sticks & stones. 😜 There's no substance in your response except "you're wrong". What a thorough and thoughtful analysis.