Teachers are Vital Public Servants and Should Act Like It

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Anonymous wrote:Literally LMFAO at the WWII images. We DO NOT have the social trust that society had back then. Everytime you've made an aggressive comment on a thread you've dug the hole deeper. It's not going to be like that because we as a society are different. Probably not for the better but complaining about it on an anonymous forum won't help. Scream into the void or find a way to productively to channel your frustrations. If you post more images from the "good old days" I might pee my pants from laughing tho. 🤣

Go away, nasty person.

Lol if that's your response that means you know I'm right!

Keep telling yourself that. You’re so wrong. Just because you’re a nasty prick doesn’t mean the rest of us are.

Sticks & stones. 😜 There's no substance in your response except "you're wrong". What a thorough and thoughtful analysis.

I have put substance into my responses throughout this thread. If you’re unwilling to listen to substance, there’s little more I can do.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm glad teachers are standing up for themselves. The majority of them are women and are used to being walked all over. It's time that they take a stand. Can you fault them for wanting to keep themselves and their families healthy?

+1

Just ignore the entitled a-hole parents. They lack basic respect for others and happily misdirect their anger about the pandemic towards teachers because they think they can boss them around like servants. So vile.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm glad teachers are standing up for themselves. The majority of them are women and are used to being walked all over. It's time that they take a stand. Can you fault them for wanting to keep themselves and their families healthy?

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Just ignore the entitled a-hole parents. They lack basic respect for others and happily misdirect their anger about the pandemic towards teachers because they think they can boss them around like servants. So vile.

So teachers are not public servants.

That's good to know moving forward.

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Anonymous wrote:I really wish I could tell whether this article is wise advice or just another UMC professional working from home who is sick of having his children underfoot (I googled — he has two children). In this debate it is so hard to separate the message from the messenger. People are more than happy to embrace risk when it’s not a risk to them personally.

How is that parents aren't undertaking any risk? I hear this a lot. If their kids go to school and get COVID, there's a high chance they might pass it on to their parents. Parents are at risk. Interhousehold transmission is high.

I think your point is that parents are willing to take that risk because they will derive a clear and significant benefit from it -- namely a huge increase in the quality of education of their children.

Teachers are not willing to take the risk because there's no such benefit to them, other than general society benefit. It's just human nature than that really isn't a motivating force like personal benefit.

Exactly this. There's no upside for teachers to go to work.

The “upside” to teachers to do their jobs should be that they get paid, and if they don’t do their jobs then they don’t get paid. The requirements of their jobs are clearly described in their employment contracts, and don’t involve sitting at home all day in their pajamas collecting full pay.

They could have offered some new positions to certain teachers for the DL stuff, at half pay. Some people would have done it, and some not. That’s fine. They could have grouped more kids together for the distance “learning”. But teachers should only have been getting full pay for doing their actual job.

You are incorrect that it appears anywhere in our job description to teach in school buildings during a crisis. Teachers will not be accepting half pay because the government has entirely neglected to do THEIR job and control the pandemic. Other countries have done so, and are now returning to normal. The US continues to spiral out of control and experience death and devastation on a staggering scale.

Teachers aren’t going to take the fall for this, although it would be convenient for the inept governors, senators, congressman, and president to push us all back to the buildings so the economy can thrive. The economy never provides for education. IDEA has never been funded-its just a huge unfounded mandate that government threw at our feet. Teachers are never relieved of the burden of purchasing their own supplies and materials in a boom economy. School buildings are in disrepair, without modern ventilation, technology, or sufficient plumbing. Education budgets are slashed again and again as politicians talk about making “tough choices” while giving tax cuts to the wealthy and corporations.

Enough with the “sitting at home in their pajamas” vitriol that is reserved for teachers and not the rest of the remote economy. Parents complain that teachers aren’t doing their jobs while bemoaning the difficulties of managing their own zoom meetings while supervising their kids. I thought you were just relaxing in your pjs? Anyone with half a brain should be able to ensure their children aren’t playing Fortnite during math class if that’s all they’re doing.

Keep rambling. Meanwhile, countless essential workers have been working in-person this entire time — myself included.

if you think a teacher is essential like a doctor - many have the same years of education and training - then pay her like you pay a doctor!!!

Did you just say some teachers have education comparable to doctors? Oh my god you people are insane.

Seriously. I do respect teachers. I am a fed with a PhD whose education level is comparable to a doctor's and whose pay is comparable to a teacher's. I have a ton of teacher friends from UMD who still live and work in MD and know this is true. I don't think a high five figure job is "underpaid," personally, but maybe I'm just used to it, and I vocally support your unions.

That sais, doctors are the ONLY service profession that gets paid like doctors, and that's not just because of how "essential" they are (or nursing home employees, for instance, would get paid like doctors, and hedge fund managers would get paid like nursing home employees). It's because, first, doctors regulate their own supply through med school admissions and residency slots, and second, our private health care industries allow medicine to make a lot more money than public sector jobs. "Pay me at least $400k a year if you think I'm so important" is a non-starter.
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Anonymous wrote:The respect for teachers have gone down tremendously after the pandemic. Before, we used to think it is noble profession and they care about teaching and students, blah blah blah. Some of the teacher may still care, but overall it is quite clear that they don't really care about teaching or students well being. Anytime you mention teaching in person, they revert back and tell you that they are not babysitters. The fact of the matter is that no one is expecting them to be babysitters, at least do the job for which you are getting paid which is teaching IN-PERSON.

No. Their job is education, which is being provided, whether you like it or not or agree or don't.

"In person" during a pandemic is in neither their contract nor their job description.

160 years of public education in this country says otherwise.

No. It doesn't.

How many of those 160 years were in a pandemic?

Also, please point out in the teachers' contract where the words "in person" or "in buildings" exist.

We'll wait.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if this teacher, who is teaching children in the London Underground during WWII because it was unsafe to be above ground, would be complaining about having to put on a mask and teach during COVID.

Notice all those kids are health and able-bodied. During that time period kids were struck down by polio, scarlet fever, and whooping cough. Guess where they are not? In school, where they could transmit the contagion to other kids.

Way to side-step the issue.

The point is that, during WWII, people actually understood that, despite the risks, schooling needed to continue. That woman could have decided to go into a smaller bomb shelter, rather than being in the Tube, which was a target (since everyone knew people sheltered there, en masse).

You're comparing apples-to-oranges. During the War on Terror and the Gulf War - kids were in school as well. They were not however in school with peers who spread viral contagious diseases. Period. Sorry you can't understand that.

+1,000. Willfull ignorance on full display.

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Anonymous wrote:The respect for teachers have gone down tremendously after the pandemic. Before, we used to think it is noble profession and they care about teaching and students, blah blah blah. Some of the teacher may still care, but overall it is quite clear that they don't really care about teaching or students well being. Anytime you mention teaching in person, they revert back and tell you that they are not babysitters. The fact of the matter is that no one is expecting them to be babysitters, at least do the job for which you are getting paid which is teaching IN-PERSON.

No. Their job is education, which is being provided, whether you like it or not or agree or don't.

"In person" during a pandemic is in neither their contract nor their job description.

160 years of public education in this country says otherwise.

No. It doesn't.

How many of those 160 years were in a pandemic?

Also, please point out in the teachers' contract where the words "in person" or "in buildings" exist.

We'll wait.

There have been a number of epidemics over the past 160 years. Have you had your coffee this morning?

And not every word is written in every contract. It's understood. Until that understanding is abused, and then will be written into contracts moving forward.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm glad teachers are standing up for themselves. The majority of them are women and are used to being walked all over. It's time that they take a stand. Can you fault them for wanting to keep themselves and their families healthy?

+1

Just ignore the entitled a-hole parents. They lack basic respect for others and happily misdirect their anger about the pandemic towards teachers because they think they can boss them around like servants. So vile.

So teachers are not public servants.

That's good to know moving forward.

Being a public servant and being treated like a servant are two different things.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The respect for teachers have gone down tremendously after the pandemic. Before, we used to think it is noble profession and they care about teaching and students, blah blah blah. Some of the teacher may still care, but overall it is quite clear that they don't really care about teaching or students well being. Anytime you mention teaching in person, they revert back and tell you that they are not babysitters. The fact of the matter is that no one is expecting them to be babysitters, at least do the job for which you are getting paid which is teaching IN-PERSON.

No. Their job is education, which is being provided, whether you like it or not or agree or don't.

"In person" during a pandemic is in neither their contract nor their job description.

160 years of public education in this country says otherwise.

No. It doesn't.

How many of those 160 years were in a pandemic?

Also, please point out in the teachers' contract where the words "in person" or "in buildings" exist.

We'll wait.

There have been a number of epidemics over the past 160 years. Have you had your coffee this morning?

And not every word is written in every contract. It's understood. Until that understanding is abused, and then will be written into contracts moving forward. [/quote

I'm sorry. I know you really super, duper want your opinion to be fact, but it simply isn't. Period.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm glad teachers are standing up for themselves. The majority of them are women and are used to being walked all over. It's time that they take a stand. Can you fault them for wanting to keep themselves and their families healthy?

+1

Just ignore the entitled a-hole parents. They lack basic respect for others and happily misdirect their anger about the pandemic towards teachers because they think they can boss them around like servants. So vile.

A-hole? Are you a poorly educated middle schooler or a teacher?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The respect for teachers have gone down tremendously after the pandemic. Before, we used to think it is noble profession and they care about teaching and students, blah blah blah. Some of the teacher may still care, but overall it is quite clear that they don't really care about teaching or students well being. Anytime you mention teaching in person, they revert back and tell you that they are not babysitters. The fact of the matter is that no one is expecting them to be babysitters, at least do the job for which you are getting paid which is teaching IN-PERSON.

No. Their job is education, which is being provided, whether you like it or not or agree or don't.

"In person" during a pandemic is in neither their contract nor their job description.

160 years of public education in this country says otherwise.

No. It doesn't.

How many of those 160 years were in a pandemic?

Also, please point out in the teachers' contract where the words "in person" or "in buildings" exist.

We'll wait.

There have been a number of epidemics over the past 160 years. Have you had your coffee this morning?

And not every word is written in every contract. It's understood. Until that understanding is abused, and then will be written into contracts moving forward.

We are not in an epidemic we are in a pandemic - huge difference.

and you aren't a lawyer - if its not in writing its not in the contract. why do you think contracts are so long?

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Anonymous wrote:Amen. They are acting like vital public servants in most areas of the country. Just not here for some reason.

This. Apparently only republican kids deserve 5 day a week education. Unbelievable.

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Anonymous wrote:The respect for teachers have gone down tremendously after the pandemic. Before, we used to think it is noble profession and they care about teaching and students, blah blah blah. Some of the teacher may still care, but overall it is quite clear that they don't really care about teaching or students well being. Anytime you mention teaching in person, they revert back and tell you that they are not babysitters. The fact of the matter is that no one is expecting them to be babysitters, at least do the job for which you are getting paid which is teaching IN-PERSON.

No. Their job is education, which is being provided, whether you like it or not or agree or don't.

"In person" during a pandemic is in neither their contract nor their job description.

160 years of public education in this country says otherwise.

No. It doesn't.

How many of those 160 years were in a pandemic?

Also, please point out in the teachers' contract where the words "in person" or "in buildings" exist.

We'll wait.

There have been a number of epidemics over the past 160 years. Have you had your coffee this morning?

And not every word is written in every contract. It's understood. Until that understanding is abused, and then will be written into contracts moving forward.

We are not in an epidemic we are in a pandemic - huge difference.

and you aren't a lawyer - if its not in writing its not in the contract. why do you think contracts are so long?

Literacy and comprehension are not your strong suit.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The respect for teachers have gone down tremendously after the pandemic. Before, we used to think it is noble profession and they care about teaching and students, blah blah blah. Some of the teacher may still care, but overall it is quite clear that they don't really care about teaching or students well being. Anytime you mention teaching in person, they revert back and tell you that they are not babysitters. The fact of the matter is that no one is expecting them to be babysitters, at least do the job for which you are getting paid which is teaching IN-PERSON.

No. Their job is education, which is being provided, whether you like it or not or agree or don't.

"In person" during a pandemic is in neither their contract nor their job description.

160 years of public education in this country says otherwise.

No. It doesn't.

How many of those 160 years were in a pandemic?

Also, please point out in the teachers' contract where the words "in person" or "in buildings" exist.

We'll wait.

There have been a number of epidemics over the past 160 years. Have you had your coffee this morning?

And not every word is written in every contract. It's understood. Until that understanding is abused, and then will be written into contracts moving forward.

We are not in an epidemic we are in a pandemic - huge difference.

and you aren't a lawyer - if its not in writing its not in the contract. why do you think contracts are so long?

There's no difference between an epidemic and a pandemic for a school district. Do you know that? (Never mind the pandemic of 1918, I guess we're pretending that one didn't happen.)

I'm glad that you and every other teacher are aware that teaching in-person will be in contracts going forward. Since you seem to think it wasn't not in the job description before.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The respect for teachers have gone down tremendously after the pandemic. Before, we used to think it is noble profession and they care about teaching and students, blah blah blah. Some of the teacher may still care, but overall it is quite clear that they don't really care about teaching or students well being. Anytime you mention teaching in person, they revert back and tell you that they are not babysitters. The fact of the matter is that no one is expecting them to be babysitters, at least do the job for which you are getting paid which is teaching IN-PERSON.

No. Their job is education, which is being provided, whether you like it or not or agree or don't.

"In person" during a pandemic is in neither their contract nor their job description.

160 years of public education in this country says otherwise.

No. It doesn't.

How many of those 160 years were in a pandemic?

Also, please point out in the teachers' contract where the words "in person" or "in buildings" exist.

We'll wait.

There have been a number of epidemics over the past 160 years. Have you had your coffee this morning?

And not every word is written in every contract. It's understood. Until that understanding is abused, and then will be written into contracts moving forward.

We are not in an epidemic we are in a pandemic - huge difference.

and you aren't a lawyer - if its not in writing its not in the contract. why do you think contracts are so long?

There's no difference between an epidemic and a pandemic for a school district. Do you know that? (Never mind the pandemic of 1918, I guess we're pretending that one didn't happen.)

I'm glad that you and every other teacher are aware that teaching in-person will be in contracts going forward. Since you seem to think it wasn't not in the job description before.

Says someone who has absolutely no power in the matter, and no ability to predict what future teaching contracts will look like. We are already hearing from some parents that they would like a remote option going forward, so it's likely that virtual learning will remain in some form (I'm sure a scaled down version once the pandemic has wound down, but still). Silly to pretend otherwise.