Dating a Red Piller

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Woman here, I have read some websites for MGTOW/red pill because I thought the idea was interesting, I wanted to know what it was about. Some of the ideas I agreed with and some I thought were extreme.

I completely agree with the guy moving the furniture. What I read from the websites was the same idea. They didn't want more friends, they have friends, what they wanted was a romantic/sexual relationship so in their mind, why would they move a females furniture if she isn't interested in them. Today we are fighting for equality so in their mind, the female can pay movers or get family to help. The female is using her looks to use these males and they are simply saying enough and I think that is fair enough.

They talk about hypergamy - marrying or sleeping someone of a superior background. Their idea from what I read is that most women want to marry a successful man and lets face it, look at this forum, its true. So many posts about getting a rich husband, successful husband. Their opinion seems to be that even if a woman herself isn't successful she still expects her boyfriend/husband to be successful, so where is the personal responsibility of the female.

They feel unappreciated in society and talk about the fact that men have built societies, they are the inventors, have built the infrastructure etc. I agree with that but women have created the people to be that society it's built for.

What I do agree with is that a lot of it was simply making their own lives better, doing what they want and not letting a female come along and distract them from that. A lot of them seemed to be there after a really messy divorce and they had terrible stories of how they were treated and left destitute. I think in part some of the ideas are simply to protect themselves so it doesn't happen again. I have seen male friends end a marriage like this so agree in putting those boundaries in place.

I also saw that some of the extreme ideas did show a hatred toward feminism and females and extreme misogyny such as I read one reply that wanted life to go back to where women couldn't vote or work however we also have radical feminists so I guess it evens out. They seem to have a thing with the fact that females sleep around now however this is something women have been putting up with from men for centauries so well I don't have much sympathy on that one.

I am sure this is a basic view, I couldn't be bothered spending too much time on it. I think females are viewed as being innocent in nature when in actual fact a lot aren't and there is a lot of toxic behaviour in females, for some reason society isn't ready to acknowledge that.

You pass for being a woman who was casually interested in redpill about as well as my toaster passes as being a human. "Females" is not a word women use to describe women. The idea that society doesn't acknowledge that women can be awful is not something anyone who isn't deeply steeped in this stuff could say without laughing. Obviously, women can be awful. Obviously, if your only interest in someone is sleeping with them, you should not pretend to be their friend. Really, for their sake as much as for yours - the idea that the only person getting hurt when you pretend to be her friend is you is so lacking in empathy. Alimony is barely a thing, so the money your "friends" are paying after a divorce is going to support their kids - but hey, you're certainly free next time to partner with someone who makes a more similar income to you. It might mean making certain other trade-offs that you aren't interested in making - or are we only interrogating the romantic choices that women make here?

Oh, but you think the guys who believe women (sorry, "females") shouldn't vote are too extreme? Whoah, how moderate and reasonable of you.

+1

Females was the tip off. Aside from literally everything else he wrote lol.

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Anonymous wrote:Guy here. I'd just like to echo that what you read about it represents the extreme side of things, which doesn't represent the majority of people who read and take advice from it. There are generations of boys growing up without strong father figures or older brothers teaching them how to operate in the world. They have grown up in front of computers and do not know what it means to be a man.

It's impossible to explain this to women in a way that they can understand so I won't go further. We don't hate women. For myself, I never knew how to be a man based on my upbringing. Now I do and am happy.

Female here. This is a very good post. I think a lot of women don’t like this ‘red pill’ stuff because it exposes their really toxic behaviors and teaches men how not to be used by women

Pick Me’s always tell on themselves, you actually did it in the first sentence. E for efficiency!

If you are referring to me, the female, I’ve been married for decades so ‘pick me’ isn’t my thing. I’m not looking. I do have two sons though, and they don’t need to hear from women that they are toxic, etc. I raised them to be kind and thoughtful, but not to be taken advantage of.

"Female." OK dude.

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I think the point is men often seek hot extroverted women who then treat them poorly over the nice girls who may be attractive enough but lack that hot girl status. After years of getting played/dumped by the hot crazy girl the men settle for a nice girl. Then after ten years the men get tired of their aging wife and cheat on her and ignore her.

Nah. The cute-but-not-hot nice girls were also writing "Chad" with little hearts in their high school notebooks; not pining over the reasonably attractive captain of the chess team.

The reasonably attractive captain of the chess team was pining over the prom queen, not thinking about the OK looking girl on the debate team.

Bro, I can do this all day.

Chess team guy was fantasizing about all of them. Guaranteed.

Oh please. Any post by a woman saying her husband has lost interest or is mistreating her is immediately greeted by a “did you get fat” response. Chess team guy wasn’t looking at the nerdy math team girls, the chubby girls, the weird goth/theatre girls.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a woman that casually refers to women as females. Old military habit. Science-minded women do the same from time to time.

I don't really understand what red pill is I suppose, because it doesn't seem like a big deal to me- if you aren't thinking in extreme terms.

OP, what is it specifically he does that bothers you? I would base my judgement on him and his behaviors--not on what you think/know about red pill. You don't really know what his beliefs are. Maybe just ask him.

Well, they don't believe in "science minded" females and think you should have been barred from the military due to your inferior strength and physique, taking away a place from a man who would do a better job than you. So maybe start there.

Yeah, sciences minded females are not keen on the Red Pill. And vice versa.

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Where are all these nice guys who can’t get a girl to look at them?

Off of the top of my head, I can think of five single, attractive women in their late twenties who are smart, funny, and have good jobs. But I can’t think of anyone to set them up with.

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I think the point is men often seek hot extroverted women who then treat them poorly over the nice girls who may be attractive enough but lack that hot girl status. After years of getting played/dumped by the hot crazy girl the men settle for a nice girl. Then after ten years the men get tired of their aging wife and cheat on her and ignore her.

Nah. The cute-but-not-hot nice girls were also writing "Chad" with little hearts in their high school notebooks; not pining over the reasonably attractive captain of the chess team.

The reasonably attractive captain of the chess team was pining over the prom queen, not thinking about the OK looking girl on the debate team.

Bro, I can do this all day.

Chess team guy was fantasizing about all of them. Guaranteed.

I am a woman, feels relevant to disclose pre post here.

Culture does this in reverse and always has. Josie Grossie turns into beautiful Drew Barrymore. She's All That chick becomes becomes unbelieveably gorgeous as soon as she takes off her glasses, takes down her hair and puts on a tight dress. And suddenly is visible to all the hot guys. Weird Science nerds create a supermodel. Someone like overweight Jonah Hill scores Emma Stone despite being an uncool loser.

There are tons of movies that are literally about a hot chick falling in love with a fat schlub of a guy (like anything Seth Rogan and Adam Sandler has made).

How many romantic comedies has Melissa McCarthy starred in? There are SOME romantic comedies with less conventionally attractive leads but they are far and few between. Women are held to an impossibly higher beauty standard then men could ever be. You can see this clearly in watching basically any media.

The red pill ideology says that sex is transactional, a reality that is not reflected in the way women think. I have helped many people move, many people, including men, have helped me move. Some of them I have been involved with, others I have not. Some of them were dating other women at the time. We all ordered pizza and beer afterward. We were friends. If a woman is asking you to help her move she feels comfortable with you and believes that you care about her.

If you're interested in a woman and want to be taken seriously then sure, a lot of this practical advice is helpful. Be open about your expectations and wants, don't be jerked around, etc. That is good advice for anyone, male or female, in dating. The problem is that the philosophies underpinning this advice are toxic. Evangelical Christianity wants people to treat their sexuality carefully and with love. To not give your body away and to be careful in who you choose to trust with it. This is good advice. But of course it is based on the idea that a man is entitle to his wife's virginity and therefore a woman's body is not solely her own. The toxic underpinning philosophy creates the direction that you slide down the slippery slope. And its a slope that leads towards repressed sexuality and misogyny.

The toxic underpinning of the red pill ideology means its good advice is muddied by everything that surrounds it. It creates a framework where the good advice is based in something that makes you fundamentally respect the women you are dating less. You have assigned them a worldview and motivation structure that frames them as shallow and transactional. Therefore you are permitted to behave shallowly and transactionally. You believe you would not have had dating success without this, so your girlfriend/wife/whatever is a shallow creature who had to be manipulated into loving you. The justification for your behavior, which is not bad on its face, reveals ugly things about the way you see the world. Your means to achieving the end of a successful relationship have laid toxic seeds that will eventually, IMO, poison the relationship.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I just googled red pill and dating and it came up with a piece on red pill advice for dating. Basically said be confident, smile a lot, use her name frequently in conversation, be polite but not needy, when giving a compliment only give sincere ones. As the relationship progresses don’t lead with your wallet to avoid creating a transactional relationship etc.

This stuff sounds like good advice for young men. Obviously I’m sure there’s anti women stuff out there but it does appear there’s a benign self-help aspect to it.

There's nothing wrong with that advice, but a lot of these guys are just wanting to get laid easily and not be in a relationship. Which is fine if they're honest about it from the start. But many of them are just trying to up their numbers until they can find their unicorn -- a younger woman who has had few or no sex partners, who won't give them much sh1t, who isn't liberal, who wants to SAHM, who is "nurturing," who lets him run the show. Oh, but somehow this woman must also have the sex drive of a nympho and do whatever freaky sh1t he demands.

The irony is that they likely wouldn't want this ideal if she did appear before them. Because then the chase is over and you win your prize, and then what? Thus, the appeal of chasing a unicorn - you won't catch it, so you don't have to worry about what to do it you catch it.

[Anonymous]

This post sent me down a deep Google hole. This article on incels and plastic surgery was particularly depressing:

https://www.thecut.com/2019/05/incel-plastic-surgery.html

[Anonymous]

Red Pill: I wouldn't want a woman who is slutty enough to sleep with me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Woman here, I have read some websites for MGTOW/red pill because I thought the idea was interesting, I wanted to know what it was about. Some of the ideas I agreed with and some I thought were extreme.

I completely agree with the guy moving the furniture. What I read from the websites was the same idea. They didn't want more friends, they have friends, what they wanted was a romantic/sexual relationship so in their mind, why would they move a females furniture if she isn't interested in them. Today we are fighting for equality so in their mind, the female can pay movers or get family to help. The female is using her looks to use these males and they are simply saying enough and I think that is fair enough.

They talk about hypergamy - marrying or sleeping someone of a superior background. Their idea from what I read is that most women want to marry a successful man and lets face it, look at this forum, its true. So many posts about getting a rich husband, successful husband. Their opinion seems to be that even if a woman herself isn't successful she still expects her boyfriend/husband to be successful, so where is the personal responsibility of the female.

They feel unappreciated in society and talk about the fact that men have built societies, they are the inventors, have built the infrastructure etc. I agree with that but women have created the people to be that society it's built for.

What I do agree with is that a lot of it was simply making their own lives better, doing what they want and not letting a female come along and distract them from that. A lot of them seemed to be there after a really messy divorce and they had terrible stories of how they were treated and left destitute. I think in part some of the ideas are simply to protect themselves so it doesn't happen again. I have seen male friends end a marriage like this so agree in putting those boundaries in place.

I also saw that some of the extreme ideas did show a hatred toward feminism and females and extreme misogyny such as I read one reply that wanted life to go back to where women couldn't vote or work however we also have radical feminists so I guess it evens out. They seem to have a thing with the fact that females sleep around now however this is something women have been putting up with from men for centauries so well I don't have much sympathy on that one.

I am sure this is a basic view, I couldn't be bothered spending too much time on it. I think females are viewed as being innocent in nature when in actual fact a lot aren't and there is a lot of toxic behaviour in females, for some reason society isn't ready to acknowledge that.

BS, there are tons of women who have invented things.

And also for millenia women weren't allowed to go to school or hold any kind of public position, but yeah, men should get all the credit for everything

[Anonymous]

I had no idea that restricting access to my WAP would create such a crisis. For shame.

[Anonymous]

Frankly, I think its impossible for men and women to get along together ling term and build a society without religion. You need to have values in common.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Frankly, I think its impossible for men and women to get along together ling term and build a society without religion. You need to have values in common.

Lol you can have values without being religious. There’s also lots of religious people out there who completely lack any values whatsoever!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Red Pill: I wouldn't want a woman who is slutty enough to sleep with me.

More like "that woman won't sleep with me, a nice guy, so she must be a superficial slut who rides the c-ck carousel."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

I think the point is men often seek hot extroverted women who then treat them poorly over the nice girls who may be attractive enough but lack that hot girl status. After years of getting played/dumped by the hot crazy girl the men settle for a nice girl. Then after ten years the men get tired of their aging wife and cheat on her and ignore her.

Nah. The cute-but-not-hot nice girls were also writing "Chad" with little hearts in their high school notebooks; not pining over the reasonably attractive captain of the chess team.

The reasonably attractive captain of the chess team was pining over the prom queen, not thinking about the OK looking girl on the debate team.

Bro, I can do this all day.

Chess team guy was fantasizing about all of them. Guaranteed.

I am a woman, feels relevant to disclose pre post here.

Culture does this in reverse and always has. Josie Grossie turns into beautiful Drew Barrymore. She's All That chick becomes becomes unbelieveably gorgeous as soon as she takes off her glasses, takes down her hair and puts on a tight dress. And suddenly is visible to all the hot guys. Weird Science nerds create a supermodel. Someone like overweight Jonah Hill scores Emma Stone despite being an uncool loser.

There are tons of movies that are literally about a hot chick falling in love with a fat schlub of a guy (like anything Seth Rogan and Adam Sandler has made).

How many romantic comedies has Melissa McCarthy starred in? There are SOME romantic comedies with less conventionally attractive leads but they are far and few between. Women are held to an impossibly higher beauty standard then men could ever be. You can see this clearly in watching basically any media.

The red pill ideology says that sex is transactional, a reality that is not reflected in the way women think. I have helped many people move, many people, including men, have helped me move. Some of them I have been involved with, others I have not. Some of them were dating other women at the time. We all ordered pizza and beer afterward. We were friends. If a woman is asking you to help her move she feels comfortable with you and believes that you care about her.

If you're interested in a woman and want to be taken seriously then sure, a lot of this practical advice is helpful. Be open about your expectations and wants, don't be jerked around, etc. That is good advice for anyone, male or female, in dating. The problem is that the philosophies underpinning this advice are toxic. Evangelical Christianity wants people to treat their sexuality carefully and with love. To not give your body away and to be careful in who you choose to trust with it. This is good advice. But of course it is based on the idea that a man is entitle to his wife's virginity and therefore a woman's body is not solely her own. The toxic underpinning philosophy creates the direction that you slide down the slippery slope. And its a slope that leads towards repressed sexuality and misogyny.

The toxic underpinning of the red pill ideology means its good advice is muddied by everything that surrounds it. It creates a framework where the good advice is based in something that makes you fundamentally respect the women you are dating less. You have assigned them a worldview and motivation structure that frames them as shallow and transactional. Therefore you are permitted to behave shallowly and transactionally. You believe you would not have had dating success without this, so your girlfriend/wife/whatever is a shallow creature who had to be manipulated into loving you. The justification for your behavior, which is not bad on its face, reveals ugly things about the way you see the world. Your means to achieving the end of a successful relationship have laid toxic seeds that will eventually, IMO, poison the relationship.

This is perfect.