I don't like test prep however please dont blame Asian on that

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Anonymous wrote:Way back when I was a kid, these tests were supposed to measure what you know. So if you study hard, do your homework, and understand what you are learning in school, you don’t have to “prep” for the test.

Now, it seems the tests don’t measure what you know; they measure if you know how to take the test.

As a parent, I will totally make sure my kids know their math facts, read widely and have a large vocabulary, etc., but I draw the line at coaching a 10-year-old on test-taking strategies.

+1

Exactly! And that is precisely why it is considered cheating, even though the groups that over prep don't want to call it that. Instead, they want to call the white students "lazy" for not prepping - and even try to draw an analogy with sports. BS. Give me a break.

Straw man logic. So you are telling me paying a coach to teach a twelve-year old child how to throw a killer curveball/slider/fastball (they shouldn't throw curves at that age) to strike out the competition to win games and use their success to get into colleges/MLB is not the same as paying a coach to teach a twelve-year old child how to best eliminate multiple choice problems or tackle test problems they are likely to see and use that success to get into colleges. Ok.

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Anonymous wrote:Frankly who cares? I had a friend tell me that doing puzzles and reading to my kids for 30 min a day was leaving poor families at a disadvantage. You can't win. Somehow "equality" seems to be bringing down the high achievers versus just making the pie larger for everyone. I see that with so much right now in society too.

As long as there's no cheating or abuse of the children (I knew a girl when I was in school whose parents would beat her and she studied all night and couldn't stay awake during school), prepping is great.

Pro-TJ reform here - what your friend told you is garbage. Those of us who are in favor of TJ reform don't have any issue with parents doing right by their kids. We have an issue with a system that incentivizes spending thousands of dollars and hours on exam prep. There are those who would conflate the two - those people are nuts.

Whites spend even more money on prepping because they pay for private tutors for test preps, classes etc. private tutors cost much more than in class tuitions so we should outlaw those first.

White person here. I've never known a white family in my entire life who paid for tutoring for their kids. This would be very uncommon in the white culture. I've known white families who sent their kids to Catholic schools for a better education.

I believe white people don't send kids for prepping at an early age but they do use prep services in HS for SAT or something else.
They do send their kids for sports prep and practices. Should we have a quota over there too? No one should prepare for anything and just show up for the exam or a sport event. Otherwise its cheating and not fair to other communities.

Yes, this is what the majority of the white/hispanic/black people do. They just show up and take the exam and play the sport without prepping. Prep courses are a fairly new trend.

But maybe they should. They seem to practice sports a lot. Why not academics? Because they don't value it as much, which is fine. Everyone has different priorities. But if other people highly value education and want to prep more, then what's it to you? Because you can't compete? Well, then practice more.

My DC is smart, magnet program, no prepping classes, but DC is not athletic. DC sucks at sports and knows it. Feels really down about it. So, I told DC that DC needed to practice more if DC wanted to get better, but DC doesn't want to. *shrug* then you won't get better. Academics is no different. Just like sports, some kids need more practice than others.

If other kids are getting better at sports, then you go and practice more to keep up. Why should academics be any different? I don't demand the sports league or school team to stop those other kids from practicing their sports several hours per day so that my kid has a fair shot without having to practice as much as those other kids.

I don't know who needs to hear this, but you shouldn't have to choose between being a great student and having plenty of other interests that you pursue at TWELVE YEARS OLD.

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I know Asian kids who have tutoring for every single subject, three hours each per day. How much is too much - ie: UNHEALTHY.

"When in Rome....."

Well, my kids don't (Asian), but what's it to you if other parents make them study extra? I don't like that so many white parents like to redshirt their kids so they have an advantage, but if that's what they want for their kids, then so be it. I don't like how so many black parents don't make their kids study, but if that's what they want, then so be it. I don't like how so many hispanic and black parents let their kids eat crap - UNHEALTHY, but you don't get a say in what they do.

See how that works?

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Anonymous wrote:Frankly who cares? I had a friend tell me that doing puzzles and reading to my kids for 30 min a day was leaving poor families at a disadvantage. You can't win. Somehow "equality" seems to be bringing down the high achievers versus just making the pie larger for everyone. I see that with so much right now in society too.

As long as there's no cheating or abuse of the children (I knew a girl when I was in school whose parents would beat her and she studied all night and couldn't stay awake during school), prepping is great.

Pro-TJ reform here - what your friend told you is garbage. Those of us who are in favor of TJ reform don't have any issue with parents doing right by their kids. We have an issue with a system that incentivizes spending thousands of dollars and hours on exam prep. There are those who would conflate the two - those people are nuts.

Whites spend even more money on prepping because they pay for private tutors for test preps, classes etc. private tutors cost much more than in class tuitions so we should outlaw those first.

White person here. I've never known a white family in my entire life who paid for tutoring for their kids. This would be very uncommon in the white culture. I've known white families who sent their kids to Catholic schools for a better education.

I believe white people don't send kids for prepping at an early age but they do use prep services in HS for SAT or something else.
They do send their kids for sports prep and practices. Should we have a quota over there too? No one should prepare for anything and just show up for the exam or a sport event. Otherwise its cheating and not fair to other communities.

Yes, this is what the majority of the white/hispanic/black people do. They just show up and take the exam and play the sport without prepping. Prep courses are a fairly new trend.

But maybe they should. They seem to practice sports a lot. Why not academics? Because they don't value it as much, which is fine. Everyone has different priorities. But if other people highly value education and want to prep more, then what's it to you? Because you can't compete? Well, then practice more.

My DC is smart, magnet program, no prepping classes, but DC is not athletic. DC sucks at sports and knows it. Feels really down about it. So, I told DC that DC needed to practice more if DC wanted to get better, but DC doesn't want to. *shrug* then you won't get better. Academics is no different. Just like sports, some kids need more practice than others.

If other kids are getting better at sports, then you go and practice more to keep up. Why should academics be any different? I don't demand the sports league or school team to stop those other kids from practicing their sports several hours per day so that my kid has a fair shot without having to practice as much as those other kids.

Not all white/hispanic/black kids are obsessed with sports, not at all. Why the hell are we all paying taxes for a subpar public education? Why are we now forced to pay for supplemental education if we want our kids to stay in the game? I think people are annoyed that this has become the standard. Academics and athletics are apples and oranges. The athletics are a joke and a huge waste of time. Furthermore, my taxes are not going towards sports teams and coaching.

Yes they are.

To be clear....yes your taxes are going to sports teams and coaching.

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Anonymous wrote:Way back when I was a kid, these tests were supposed to measure what you know. So if you study hard, do your homework, and understand what you are learning in school, you don’t have to “prep” for the test.

Now, it seems the tests don’t measure what you know; they measure if you know how to take the test.

As a parent, I will totally make sure my kids know their math facts, read widely and have a large vocabulary, etc., but I draw the line at coaching a 10-year-old on test-taking strategies.

+1

Exactly! And that is precisely why it is considered cheating, even though the groups that over prep don't want to call it that. Instead, they want to call the white students "lazy" for not prepping - and even try to draw an analogy with sports. BS. Give me a break.

Straw man logic. So you are telling me paying a coach to teach a twelve-year old child how to throw a killer curveball/slider/fastball (they shouldn't throw curves at that age) to strike out the competition to win games and use their success to get into colleges/MLB is not the same as paying a coach to teach a twelve-year old child how to best eliminate multiple choice problems or tackle test problems they are likely to see and use that success to get into colleges. Ok.

You accidentally stumbled into an excellent point here. Intensive exam prep is a lot like teaching a kid to throw a killer curve in order to win a few youth games. Both are terrible for kids and great for adults to feel good about themselves. And they're why you see tons of kids burn out and engage in self-harm academically, and end up with early Tommy John surgery.

Both are terrible. I agree with you.

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Anonymous wrote:Where are these elementary level test prep classes that everyone is talking about? Do you mean Kumon?

Yes, Kumon.

Huh? I thought Kumon was for strengthening basic math skills, not for prepping on how to take the CogAt or other standardized test.

It’s the elementary school equivalent to a prep course. Just another way to get ahead.

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Can we stop with taking the poor kids' childhoods AWAY from them?? I get it, you are chasing the almighty dollar, but at what expense?

I think Americans, particularly white/hispanic/black and some Asian cultures have different views and ideas of what childhood should be. Chinese/Korean/Japanese cultures don’t look at childhood the way many others do. We have completely different opinions and perspectives. Who’s to say which is correct? However, sadly if we want our kids to become successful, we will be forced to sacrifice some things we have taken for granted in the past. We are now part of a global culture. The only reason most people immigrate here is to “succeed.”

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Anonymous wrote:Way back when I was a kid, these tests were supposed to measure what you know. So if you study hard, do your homework, and understand what you are learning in school, you don’t have to “prep” for the test.

Now, it seems the tests don’t measure what you know; they measure if you know how to take the test.

As a parent, I will totally make sure my kids know their math facts, read widely and have a large vocabulary, etc., but I draw the line at coaching a 10-year-old on test-taking strategies.

+1

Exactly! And that is precisely why it is considered cheating, even though the groups that over prep don't want to call it that. Instead, they want to call the white students "lazy" for not prepping - and even try to draw an analogy with sports. BS. Give me a break.

Straw man logic. So you are telling me paying a coach to teach a twelve-year old child how to throw a killer curveball/slider/fastball (they shouldn't throw curves at that age) to strike out the competition to win games and use their success to get into colleges/MLB is not the same as paying a coach to teach a twelve-year old child how to best eliminate multiple choice problems or tackle test problems they are likely to see and use that success to get into colleges. Ok.

You accidentally stumbled into an excellent point here. Intensive exam prep is a lot like teaching a kid to throw a killer curve in order to win a few youth games. Both are terrible for kids and great for adults to feel good about themselves. And they're why you see tons of kids burn out and engage in self-harm academically, and end up with early Tommy John surgery.

Both are terrible. I agree with you.

Great minds think alike. That was my point, both are terrible, but people can't claim a double standard which was what people on this board have been trying to do. I wouldn't do either, but people are saying one is better than the other.

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Anonymous wrote:Way back when I was a kid, these tests were supposed to measure what you know. So if you study hard, do your homework, and understand what you are learning in school, you don’t have to “prep” for the test.

Now, it seems the tests don’t measure what you know; they measure if you know how to take the test.

As a parent, I will totally make sure my kids know their math facts, read widely and have a large vocabulary, etc., but I draw the line at coaching a 10-year-old on test-taking strategies.

+1

Exactly! And that is precisely why it is considered cheating, even though the groups that over prep don't want to call it that. Instead, they want to call the white students "lazy" for not prepping - and even try to draw an analogy with sports. BS. Give me a break.

Straw man logic. So you are telling me paying a coach to teach a twelve-year old child how to throw a killer curveball/slider/fastball (they shouldn't throw curves at that age) to strike out the competition to win games and use their success to get into colleges/MLB is not the same as paying a coach to teach a twelve-year old child how to best eliminate multiple choice problems or tackle test problems they are likely to see and use that success to get into colleges. Ok.

You accidentally stumbled into an excellent point here. Intensive exam prep is a lot like teaching a kid to throw a killer curve in order to win a few youth games. Both are terrible for kids and great for adults to feel good about themselves. And they're why you see tons of kids burn out and engage in self-harm academically, and end up with early Tommy John surgery.

Both are terrible. I agree with you.

Great minds think alike. That was my point, both are terrible, but people can't claim a double standard which was what people on this board have been trying to do. I wouldn't do either, but people are saying one is better than the other.

No, can we just simmer down on the competition a little bit? Enough with the extra sports training, your kid will most likely never play MLB or even play in the minor league, enough with the excessive studying/prepping, your kid isn’t the next Hawking or Einstein, enough with the Tiger parenting, and who is the best parent competition. It’s all creating an insufferable, pressure cooker society.

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Anonymous wrote:Way back when I was a kid, these tests were supposed to measure what you know. So if you study hard, do your homework, and understand what you are learning in school, you don’t have to “prep” for the test.

Now, it seems the tests don’t measure what you know; they measure if you know how to take the test.

As a parent, I will totally make sure my kids know their math facts, read widely and have a large vocabulary, etc., but I draw the line at coaching a 10-year-old on test-taking strategies.

+1

Exactly! And that is precisely why it is considered cheating, even though the groups that over prep don't want to call it that. Instead, they want to call the white students "lazy" for not prepping - and even try to draw an analogy with sports. BS. Give me a break.

Straw man logic. So you are telling me paying a coach to teach a twelve-year old child how to throw a killer curveball/slider/fastball (they shouldn't throw curves at that age) to strike out the competition to win games and use their success to get into colleges/MLB is not the same as paying a coach to teach a twelve-year old child how to best eliminate multiple choice problems or tackle test problems they are likely to see and use that success to get into colleges. Ok.

You accidentally stumbled into an excellent point here. Intensive exam prep is a lot like teaching a kid to throw a killer curve in order to win a few youth games. Both are terrible for kids and great for adults to feel good about themselves. And they're why you see tons of kids burn out and engage in self-harm academically, and end up with early Tommy John surgery.

Both are terrible. I agree with you.

Great minds think alike. That was my point, both are terrible, but people can't claim a double standard which was what people on this board have been trying to do. I wouldn't do either, but people are saying one is better than the other.

No, can we just simmer down on the competition a little bit? Enough with the extra sports training, your kid will most likely never play MLB or even play in the minor league, enough with the excessive studying/prepping, your kid isn’t the next Hawking or Einstein, enough with the Tiger parenting, and who is the best parent competition. It’s all creating an insufferable, pressure cooker society.

Sure. Let's get rid of all the extra coaching and practice first. Academics is more important than sports.

I know some kids who get up at 4am to go to swim practice, and these kids fall asleep during class and definitely not getting enough sleep. Why not start with that first?

I recall in NJ, white parents were up in arms over how Asian students were getting ahead with all that tutoring and how it was unhealthy for them, yet they were fine with HS kids playing tackle football even though studies have shown that tackle football can cause brain damage, and other issues. How many students have had broken bones, concussions from sports? Yet, schools sports is still a huge part of the US culture.

So, let's start getting rid of unhealthy and dangerous sports first. We've got to start somewhere.

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Anonymous wrote:Way back when I was a kid, these tests were supposed to measure what you know. So if you study hard, do your homework, and understand what you are learning in school, you don’t have to “prep” for the test.

Now, it seems the tests don’t measure what you know; they measure if you know how to take the test.

As a parent, I will totally make sure my kids know their math facts, read widely and have a large vocabulary, etc., but I draw the line at coaching a 10-year-old on test-taking strategies.

+1

Exactly! And that is precisely why it is considered cheating, even though the groups that over prep don't want to call it that. Instead, they want to call the white students "lazy" for not prepping - and even try to draw an analogy with sports. BS. Give me a break.

Straw man logic. So you are telling me paying a coach to teach a twelve-year old child how to throw a killer curveball/slider/fastball (they shouldn't throw curves at that age) to strike out the competition to win games and use their success to get into colleges/MLB is not the same as paying a coach to teach a twelve-year old child how to best eliminate multiple choice problems or tackle test problems they are likely to see and use that success to get into colleges. Ok.

You accidentally stumbled into an excellent point here. Intensive exam prep is a lot like teaching a kid to throw a killer curve in order to win a few youth games. Both are terrible for kids and great for adults to feel good about themselves. And they're why you see tons of kids burn out and engage in self-harm academically, and end up with early Tommy John surgery.

Both are terrible. I agree with you.

Great minds think alike. That was my point, both are terrible, but people can't claim a double standard which was what people on this board have been trying to do. I wouldn't do either, but people are saying one is better than the other.

No, can we just simmer down on the competition a little bit? Enough with the extra sports training, your kid will most likely never play MLB or even play in the minor league, enough with the excessive studying/prepping, your kid isn’t the next Hawking or Einstein, enough with the Tiger parenting, and who is the best parent competition. It’s all creating an insufferable, pressure cooker society.

Sure. Let's get rid of all the extra coaching and practice first. Academics is more important than sports.

I know some kids who get up at 4am to go to swim practice, and these kids fall asleep during class and definitely not getting enough sleep. Why not start with that first?

I recall in NJ, white parents were up in arms over how Asian students were getting ahead with all that tutoring and how it was unhealthy for them, yet they were fine with HS kids playing tackle football even though studies have shown that tackle football can cause brain damage, and other issues. How many students have had broken bones, concussions from sports? Yet, schools sports is still a huge part of the US culture.

So, let's start getting rid of unhealthy and dangerous sports first. We've got to start somewhere.

Agreed, let’s roll

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Anonymous wrote:Way back when I was a kid, these tests were supposed to measure what you know. So if you study hard, do your homework, and understand what you are learning in school, you don’t have to “prep” for the test.

Now, it seems the tests don’t measure what you know; they measure if you know how to take the test.

As a parent, I will totally make sure my kids know their math facts, read widely and have a large vocabulary, etc., but I draw the line at coaching a 10-year-old on test-taking strategies.

This thread becomes more and more ridiculous. Now you need to discredit the whole suite of tests to maintain that your kids are superior. Can you suggest a better measure of academic knowledge? Maybe it can replace PISA to show the real ability of American students.

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Anonymous wrote:Way back when I was a kid, these tests were supposed to measure what you know. So if you study hard, do your homework, and understand what you are learning in school, you don’t have to “prep” for the test.

Now, it seems the tests don’t measure what you know; they measure if you know how to take the test.

As a parent, I will totally make sure my kids know their math facts, read widely and have a large vocabulary, etc., but I draw the line at coaching a 10-year-old on test-taking strategies.

This thread becomes more and more ridiculous. Now you need to discredit the whole suite of tests to maintain that your kids are superior. Can you suggest a better measure of academic knowledge? Maybe it can replace PISA to show the real ability of American students.

Research has proven that standardized tests are inaccurate and biased in terms of measuring intelligence, as well as in measuring academic knowledge. You cannot compare kids an inner city or a poor rural area with wealthy suburban kids, yet they receive the same standardized tests. I don’t know of a better way to test academic knowledge, but these tests are kind of a joke.

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Standardized test taking has become a type of game, that’s why we are comparing it to sports! How is this actually preparing kids for real adult life?

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Anonymous wrote:Standardized test taking has become a type of game, that’s why we are comparing it to sports! How is this actually preparing kids for real adult life?

+1 - it's not

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Anonymous wrote:Standardized test taking has become a type of game, that’s why we are comparing it to sports! How is this actually preparing kids for real adult life?

+1 - it's not

+2. It’s why the education system sucks and our kids would be better off being homeschooled.

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Anonymous wrote:Way back when I was a kid, these tests were supposed to measure what you know. So if you study hard, do your homework, and understand what you are learning in school, you don’t have to “prep” for the test.

Now, it seems the tests don’t measure what you know; they measure if you know how to take the test.

As a parent, I will totally make sure my kids know their math facts, read widely and have a large vocabulary, etc., but I draw the line at coaching a 10-year-old on test-taking strategies.

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Exactly! And that is precisely why it is considered cheating, even though the groups that over prep don't want to call it that. Instead, they want to call the white students "lazy" for not prepping - and even try to draw an analogy with sports. BS. Give me a break.

Welcome to 2020.. You know what else is different from back in your day, pretty much everything.

You know these doddering old bags want to go back to the 50’s or 60’s or whenever the hell they grew up. The world has passed them by and they don’t have a clue. FYI PP’s, China is overtaking the US.