Who thinks the new TJ admissions proposal will increase URM enrollment?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I didn't read the whole thing but I wanted to ask whether people think TJ is even a "goal" for high-achieving URMs here? I am not as familiar with the NOVA population but in NYC, where I have many friends who teach or are school administrators, I know that for many URM families there (who are Dominican and/or Puerto Rican, so the population in NOVA is a little different) they are very Catholic and the end goal or dream is not the STEM public magnets but rather getting a scholarship or aid or saving enough for getting into Catholic school. To them, that is the American Dream or end goal, not Stuy or Bronx Science. My friend taught in Queens and that is what all the top kids in her classes and their families talked to her about, not Stuy.

Ding ding ding!

You can make it a lottery but they still won’t even apply.

+1

FCPS is chasing a problem that mostly doesn't exist. The URMs don't want to go to TJ. For those who do want to apply, I am sure everyone agrees FCPS should increase the percentage admitted for URMs.

You don’t think the flagship school for the county and possibly the state having negligible numbers of black and Hispanic students is a problem?

It's not a problem because there are only a small number of URMs who want to go to TJ. For those who do want to go, I agree that the percentage admitted should be increased. But that's a very different problem and very easy to fix than the one FCPS is creating.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The most beneficiary is white according to the graph which they showed us. Not black or Hispanics.

Yep. It’s to help white people game the system.

And screw over blacks and hispanics and Asians all at the same time.

Why we can’t make a humanities magnet for them is beyond me.

Whites can't stomach that Asians are excelling above and beyond white kids.

False. We’re cool with it actually. (See how I just spoke for my entire race because apparently we are all homogenous and align our thoughts and opinions according to skin color?
In all seriousness though, my family is completely fine with it. We’re a bit too lazy to compete at that level of intensity. And I think the prize should go to the kids/families who are dedicated and committed to doing the work. You’ve earned it. Period.

Agree

[Anonymous]

School Lottery Loses on Appeal


https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/local/daily/oct99/admission9.htm#:~:text=Friday's%20ruling%20by%20a%20three,14th%20Amendment%20to%20the%20Constitution.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/1998/03/28/lawsuit-calls-new-arlington-school-lottery-unfair-to-white-children/6de2b1cf-11df-4ca2-93ea-9ffd38e49625/

[Anonymous]

There is a good chance that the best student in every race will not make it to TJ with the proposed merit lottery system. It would be great injustice to the best student.

For example, if two students applied for admission with one has a 3.52 GPA with Algebra 1 and the second student with 3.95 GPA with Algebra 1.

What would happen if the second student was not picked in the lottery and the second student is from African American race? Great injustice to the second student and the lottery system fails to address the diversity issue.

My suggestion is


How about having different admission tests per region and restricting each region with 70 students? AAP Students need to have GPA 3.6 and non-AAP students GPA 3.6 with application fee $350 (free for free or reduced school meal). So that the best students will make it to TJ while improving diversity per region. Also, add TJ boot camps and TJ Prep club every week in all the Middle schools. Middle school teachers/coaches should encourage the students who attends TJ boot camps and TJ Prep club by giving great recommendations to TJ admissions. If the student attend TJ Prep clubs for 2 years in middle school, the student has real passion for TJ/STEM. The application fee may be utilized for improving the base school’s faculty.


Lottery would not help
LAWSUIT CALLS NEW ARLINGTON SCHOOL LOTTERY UNFAIR TO WHITE CHILDREN

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/1998/....-11df-4ca2-93ea-9ffd38e49625/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:School Lottery Loses on Appeal


https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/local/daily/oct99/admission9.htm#:~:text=Friday's%20ruling%20by%20a%20three,14th%20Amendment%20to%20the%20Constitution.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/1998/03/28/lawsuit-calls-new-arlington-school-lottery-unfair-to-white-children/6de2b1cf-11df-4ca2-93ea-9ffd38e49625/

Then the proposed lottery at TJ will be in trouble if someone files lawsuit..

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:School Lottery Loses on Appeal


https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/local/daily/oct99/admission9.htm#:~:text=Friday's%20ruling%20by%20a%20three,14th%20Amendment%20to%20the%20Constitution.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/1998/03/28/lawsuit-calls-new-arlington-school-lottery-unfair-to-white-children/6de2b1cf-11df-4ca2-93ea-9ffd38e49625/

Then the proposed lottery at TJ will be in trouble if someone files lawsuit..

Legal challenge is a sure thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:School Lottery Loses on Appeal


https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/local/daily/oct99/admission9.htm#:~:text=Friday's%20ruling%20by%20a%20three,14th%20Amendment%20to%20the%20Constitution.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/1998/03/28/lawsuit-calls-new-arlington-school-lottery-unfair-to-white-children/6de2b1cf-11df-4ca2-93ea-9ffd38e49625/

Then the proposed lottery at TJ will be in trouble if someone files lawsuit..

Legal challenge is a sure thing.

And the new system is a goner under the new 6-3 Supreme Court.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:School Lottery Loses on Appeal


https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/local/daily/oct99/admission9.htm#:~:text=Friday's%20ruling%20by%20a%20three,14th%20Amendment%20to%20the%20Constitution.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/1998/03/28/lawsuit-calls-new-arlington-school-lottery-unfair-to-white-children/6de2b1cf-11df-4ca2-93ea-9ffd38e49625/

Then the proposed lottery at TJ will be in trouble if someone files lawsuit..

Legal challenge is a sure thing.

And the new system is a goner under the new 6-3 Supreme Court.

I hope fcps realizes this and not waste millions in taxpayer money.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:School Lottery Loses on Appeal


https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/local/daily/oct99/admission9.htm#:~:text=Friday's%20ruling%20by%20a%20three,14th%20Amendment%20to%20the%20Constitution.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/1998/03/28/lawsuit-calls-new-arlington-school-lottery-unfair-to-white-children/6de2b1cf-11df-4ca2-93ea-9ffd38e49625/

Then the proposed lottery at TJ will be in trouble if someone files lawsuit..

Legal challenge is a sure thing.

And the new system is a goner under the new 6-3 Supreme Court.

I hope fcps realizes this and not waste millions in taxpayer money.

Fcps will ruin TJ, URM numbers will not go up significantly and they end up with bruised gpa and end up spending millions of taxpayer money defending the new system that will 100% be not allowed by court.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:School Lottery Loses on Appeal


https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/local/daily/oct99/admission9.htm#:~:text=Friday's%20ruling%20by%20a%20three,14th%20Amendment%20to%20the%20Constitution.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/1998/03/28/lawsuit-calls-new-arlington-school-lottery-unfair-to-white-children/6de2b1cf-11df-4ca2-93ea-9ffd38e49625/

Then the proposed lottery at TJ will be in trouble if someone files lawsuit..

Legal challenge is a sure thing.

And the new system is a goner under the new 6-3 Supreme Court.

I hope fcps realizes this and not waste millions in taxpayer money.

Fcps will ruin TJ, URM numbers will not go up significantly and they end up with bruised gpa and end up spending millions of taxpayer money defending the new system that will 100% be not allowed by court.

The school board members and the fcps will look like such idiots in the end.

[Anonymous]

Precisely what do you all think will be the grounds for the legal challenge?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The most beneficiary is white according to the graph which they showed us. Not black or Hispanics.

Yep. It’s to help white people game the system.

And screw over blacks and hispanics and Asians all at the same time.

Why we can’t make a humanities magnet for them is beyond me.

Whites can't stomach that Asians are excelling above and beyond white kids.

False. We’re cool with it actually. (See how I just spoke for my entire race because apparently we are all homogenous and align our thoughts and opinions according to skin color?
In all seriousness though, my family is completely fine with it. We’re a bit too lazy to compete at that level of intensity. And I think the prize should go to the kids/families who are dedicated and committed to doing the work. You’ve earned it. Period.

Agree

White applications have been declining for years. White attendance has been declining for years. White families are not interested in that level of pressure on their kids.

[Anonymous]

The new admissions proposal isn't designed to increase URM enrollment. It's designed to increase white enrollment. Look at the data :
Twenty years ago, 70 percent of TJ students were white; today, 79 percent are minority, most from Asian immigrant families. The proposed lottery plan would decimate the representation of minorities at TJ, with the school soon becoming predominately white. Assuming that all of the students who qualify for the lottery will apply for admissions to TJ. the percentage of Asian students gaining admission to TJ will be slashed by more than half from 73% admitted in the Class of 2024 to 33.52%. In contrast, the percentage of white students gaining admission to TJ will more than double from 18% admitted in the Class of 2024 to 44.88%, making white families the plan’s greatest beneficiaries and dramatically shrinking the school’s overall percentage of minorities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The new admissions proposal isn't designed to increase URM enrollment. It's designed to increase white enrollment. Look at the data :
Twenty years ago, 70 percent of TJ students were white; today, 79 percent are minority, most from Asian immigrant families. The proposed lottery plan would decimate the representation of minorities at TJ, with the school soon becoming predominately white. Assuming that all of the students who qualify for the lottery will apply for admissions to TJ. the percentage of Asian students gaining admission to TJ will be slashed by more than half from 73% admitted in the Class of 2024 to 33.52%. In contrast, the percentage of white students gaining admission to TJ will more than double from 18% admitted in the Class of 2024 to 44.88%, making white families the plan’s greatest beneficiaries and dramatically shrinking the school’s overall percentage of minorities.

Yeah, that's not gonna happen and you completely neglected to take the geographic breakdown into your analysis. Unless you can point to what those percentages will look like from PW, Region 3, etc.... This post is of less than zero value.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The new admissions proposal isn't designed to increase URM enrollment. It's designed to increase white enrollment. Look at the data :
Twenty years ago, 70 percent of TJ students were white; today, 79 percent are minority, most from Asian immigrant families. The proposed lottery plan would decimate the representation of minorities at TJ, with the school soon becoming predominately white. Assuming that all of the students who qualify for the lottery will apply for admissions to TJ. the percentage of Asian students gaining admission to TJ will be slashed by more than half from 73% admitted in the Class of 2024 to 33.52%. In contrast, the percentage of white students gaining admission to TJ will more than double from 18% admitted in the Class of 2024 to 44.88%, making white families the plan’s greatest beneficiaries and dramatically shrinking the school’s overall percentage of minorities.

Therefore, the new system will be struck under the Disparate Impact by the court whether a district judge, appellate judge or the newly constituted scotus.