"A Cheap, Race-Neutral Way to Close the Racial Wealth Gap..

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Anonymous wrote:I just wish one supporter of one-time cash handouts would explain why this is better than spending the same money to effect long-term change in all the systemic barriers that keep black kids in bad schools with hopeless job prospects.

I know I sound like a broken record because I've asked this several times.

I have answered this, as have a social worker and a teacher earlier in this thread. I’m a psychiatrist, not an economist, so my thoughts are colored in that direction.
But what I see when I talk to kids about their hopes and dreams is that they are extremely limited. I think that if kids grew up knowing that they had $$ to spend to improve their lives, they would start thinking about how to use it and see more possibilities for themselves.

I don’t know how much you know about structural scaffolding in education. The idea is that you start with the basics of a concept, then you continue to build on that information. This is a formal concept that takes advantage of the way our minds naturally work. Once we have scaffolding, then we will start to hook new information to it and build a more fully formed understanding. For example, when you get pregnant, you start learning about pregnancy, and you start noticing that there is information about pregnancy all around you. It was always there, but it just slid away from you before. Or when you first start reading Ancient Greek tragedies in school, you suddenly start noticing references to them. Again, the references were always there. You just didn’t pick up on it before.

I think for many kids that growing up with this money would provide a kind of scaffolding. Information about ACT exams, college applications, home ownership, small business ownership, etc. wouldn’t just slide away. It would have a place to stick.

Now, are there a number of kids who are never going to get there? Yes. Are there some bad parents out there who will try to steal the money? Yes. Are there kids out there who were born looking for ways to succeed and don’t need it? Of course. But for a lot of kids, I can see how this would be very helpful in a way that throwing money at the schools or neighborhood programs would not.

I mean, imagine what kind of discussions teenagers might have about what they are going to do after high school if everyone there has $60k in a bank account. It might look an awful lot more like the discussions middle class kids have.

Thanks for this. I guess my point is, I don't see how this would be more useful than using the same money to reform early, elementary, and secondary education. And then offering college tuition support in the form of grants administered by the colleges, instead of as a handout to a kid. That way, people couldn't blow it or have their parents steal it. I also feel like, if schools don't prepare kids to succeed in college, then what are we doing but setting kids up for failure.

I suppose that telling a kid "here's $50K, but you can only use it for college" is different from, and might be more motivational than, "if you go to college, you'll get some part of tuition for free." It's the difference between knowing you own your 401(k) and the promise that you might get Social Security. But again, $50K will get you two years at UMD, and not even a full year at Columbia. So now we're saying, we'll give you half the tuition, and you might get a scholarship, but you might have to borrow the rest.

Who says that UMD is the best way to spend $100k and 4 years of your young life? Maybe for some people it is. Maybe for other people, it would be better to use the time and money to buy tools to be a contractor or an auto mechanic. Maybe some people would want to go abroad. I don’t know. I am not even 100% sure college is going to be right for my own children, let alone some random stranger I have never met. When you put restrictions and say that $$ can only be used for xyz, it often doesn’t get used in the most effective way.

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Anonymous wrote:All this does is encourage people who can’t afford it to have lots of babies. I’m a moderate who hasn’t voted Republican in probably 20 years. Policy proposals like this are going to force people like me to move right.

Me too. Policies like this and the politics of Sanders, AOC, etc. really just drive me toward the right.

I voted democrat for 5 straight presidential elections (ever since I could vote). I suddenly realized this year that apparently I am not a democrat. Will sadly be voting Trump now. Sad! I'm not kidding.

Why are you voting for Trump?

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A white high school dropout earns more than a black college grad because institutions protect white mediocrity by deferring black opportunity.

I don't believe this.

I have heard this several times, and I don’t believe it either.

It is possible, but still anecdotal. It is possible if white kid dropout and go ahead and work for minimum wages and black kid drop out choose not to work at all; then the income of the white kid will be higher than black’s kid income.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:All this does is encourage people who can’t afford it to have lots of babies. I’m a moderate who hasn’t voted Republican in probably 20 years. Policy proposals like this are going to force people like me to move right.

Me too. Policies like this and the politics of Sanders, AOC, etc. really just drive me toward the right.

I voted democrat for 5 straight presidential elections (ever since I could vote). I suddenly realized this year that apparently I am not a democrat. Will sadly be voting Trump now. Sad! I'm not kidding.

It’s not uncommon for mental illness to hit midlife.

It is sadthat we didn’t learn from 2016 election that name calling wont help us.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:All this does is encourage people who can’t afford it to have lots of babies. I’m a moderate who hasn’t voted Republican in probably 20 years. Policy proposals like this are going to force people like me to move right.

Me too. Policies like this and the politics of Sanders, AOC, etc. really just drive me toward the right.

I voted democrat for 5 straight presidential elections (ever since I could vote). I suddenly realized this year that apparently I am not a democrat. Will sadly be voting Trump now. Sad! I'm not kidding.

It’s not uncommon for mental illness to hit midlife.

It is sadthat we didn’t learn from 2016 election that name calling wont help us.

Tell that to the Orange Twitter Bully.

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A white high school dropout earns more than a black college grad because institutions protect white mediocrity by deferring black opportunity.

I don't believe this.

I have heard this several times, and I don’t believe it either.

It is possible, but still anecdotal. It is possible if white kid dropout and go ahead and work for minimum wages and black kid drop out choose not to work at all; then the income of the white kid will be higher than black’s kid income.

Yep because black kids don’t work.

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Anonymous wrote:The fascinating thing about all this is that "white" America is rapidly declining as a share of the population and the country rapidly diversifying. I think the reason why the racial, or rather, black racial issues, have become so intensified and bitter in recent years is that the old argument of blaming all their problems on racism has gotten harder when at the same time tens of millions non-whites have immigrated to the United States and in that time, despite not being white, have outperformed black America, and many have even outperformed white America. This substantially weakens the old racial arguments.

That's why it's shifted away from personal, direct individual racism to institutional racism. 50 years ago the racial argument was based on too many individual racists, teachers, employers, politicians, neighbors, being racist, and that to fight racism you had to combat the racists populating the institutions through educating them, and welcoming blacks into the institutions. But flash forward 50 years of Affirmative Action and a white population that is incredibly more tolerant and race blind, and (which is often ignored these days) a flourishing black middle class and many more blacks in leadership position, so many of the problems facing particularly poorer blacks remain. Blacks continue to commit disproportionate amounts of crime and urban deprived neighborhoods remain disproportionately black.

Now the blame for the problems is shifting, not to any individual responsibility, but to a focus on "institutional racism," calling for racism within the framework of American society and American institutions rather than the individuals, and by making it institutional, the proponents override all the current racial tolerance and diversity and affirmative action programs to reach back to the past as an excuse for today's behavior. That's why if Hispanic gang members shoot each other, it's not racism, but when black gang members shoot each other, it's racism. That's why poor white people in places of generational poverty, such as rural America and Appalachia, are not absolved of their poverty, and even openly mocked and trashed, but poor blacks in inner cities are absolved of any responsibilities for their poverty and it's racist to make fun of their cultural behaviors.

I do see and understand why. A focus on blaming "institutional" racism of the past to present allows people to avoid looking at other things more close to home and provides an easy scrapegoat for angers and frustrations.

But ultimately, I suspect it won't go much beyond severely worsening many things. And, ironically, it is still going to the white man with a begging bowl.

No quotes needed for the institutional in institutional racism. It is in fact very real. The US racial caste system puts Black descendants of slavery and Native Americans at the lowest ranks below non-white immigrants. The failure of people like you to acknowledge it, allows it to continue. There are also systems that keep people impoverished which often overlap with race, but that doesn't change the fact that the biggest predictor of how much lifetime wealth you will accumulate is race. A white high school dropout earns more than a black college grad because institutions protect white mediocrity by deferring black opportunity.

How does it put them below if they have the following that immigrants don't have:

- they speak fluent English (most of the immigrants come here either without speaking any English or with a very poor English)
- they was offered free English grammar education for 12 years (all the immigrants can hope is free ESL classes in a local library at the large urban areas)
- they have family support (sometimes extensive family with grandparents, siblings, aunts and anckles)
- they have legal status to work
- they have Affirmative Action to go to college
- they can join military (for some immigrants this is not an option)
- if they are poor, they are eligible for financial aid in college (immigrants don't )
- they can drive (a lot of immigrants moving from big cities or rural areas never drove)

All the listed above put blacks way above any white or non-white immigrant at the starting point.

Lol you do realize that for many of the people that immigrate here these descriptors do not apply or disappear after a few years. I know this definition of immigrant you provided is all too convenient for your argument, but immigrants come from a broad range of socioeconomic classes and individual circumstances.

So do black people.
Few years is a LONG time to have your life on hold.

Only certain people immigrate... usually the educates/well off/entrepreneurs.

Your average person does not immigrate... so by that basic fact, immigrants start off better than both blacks and whites with similar circumstances.

You clearly haven’t been to southern border. All the above applies to majority of immigrants. And, as suggested above, immigrants can overcome these obstacles in a few years, why cant blacks do the same? If the immigrants can navigate how to get a driving license and pass the driving test in a foreign language, and how to get to the voting place, why blacks cant?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just wish one supporter of one-time cash handouts would explain why this is better than spending the same money to effect long-term change in all the systemic barriers that keep black kids in bad schools with hopeless job prospects.

I know I sound like a broken record because I've asked this several times.

I have answered this, as have a social worker and a teacher earlier in this thread. I’m a psychiatrist, not an economist, so my thoughts are colored in that direction.
But what I see when I talk to kids about their hopes and dreams is that they are extremely limited. I think that if kids grew up knowing that they had $$ to spend to improve their lives, they would start thinking about how to use it and see more possibilities for themselves.

I don’t know how much you know about structural scaffolding in education. The idea is that you start with the basics of a concept, then you continue to build on that information. This is a formal concept that takes advantage of the way our minds naturally work. Once we have scaffolding, then we will start to hook new information to it and build a more fully formed understanding. For example, when you get pregnant, you start learning about pregnancy, and you start noticing that there is information about pregnancy all around you. It was always there, but it just slid away from you before. Or when you first start reading Ancient Greek tragedies in school, you suddenly start noticing references to them. Again, the references were always there. You just didn’t pick up on it before.

I think for many kids that growing up with this money would provide a kind of scaffolding. Information about ACT exams, college applications, home ownership, small business ownership, etc. wouldn’t just slide away. It would have a place to stick.

Now, are there a number of kids who are never going to get there? Yes. Are there some bad parents out there who will try to steal the money? Yes. Are there kids out there who were born looking for ways to succeed and don’t need it? Of course. But for a lot of kids, I can see how this would be very helpful in a way that throwing money at the schools or neighborhood programs would not.

I mean, imagine what kind of discussions teenagers might have about what they are going to do after high school if everyone there has $60k in a bank account. It might look an awful lot more like the discussions middle class kids have.

Thanks for this. I guess my point is, I don't see how this would be more useful than using the same money to reform early, elementary, and secondary education. And then offering college tuition support in the form of grants administered by the colleges, instead of as a handout to a kid. That way, people couldn't blow it or have their parents steal it. I also feel like, if schools don't prepare kids to succeed in college, then what are we doing but setting kids up for failure.

I suppose that telling a kid "here's $50K, but you can only use it for college" is different from, and might be more motivational than, "if you go to college, you'll get some part of tuition for free." It's the difference between knowing you own your 401(k) and the promise that you might get Social Security. But again, $50K will get you two years at UMD, and not even a full year at Columbia. So now we're saying, we'll give you half the tuition, and you might get a scholarship, but you might have to borrow the rest.

Pp here.
A lot of poor kids don’t really grow up thinking about college, and it can seem kind of unreachable. They often don’t hear about scholarships until their senior year, and at that point it just seems so out of reach.

I think offering a college scholarship is kind of like telling you “I will pay all of your living expenses for the next year if you use that year to write a novel,” when you have never written a novel or known anyone who has written one. Of course people do it all of the time, but would you? Do you see how intimidating that is?

PP you were talking to (this is the first time I'm back). I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I definitely get your point about the motivational aspects of having a savings account. You'd want to send kids quarterly statements, so they would feel they really own it. But I can also see some risks to that, as somebody who has worked on Social Security reform and has seen the countless people asking, why can't I have my money now, and do what I want with it?

I take pp's point about how not all kids, white or black, are meant for college. I can see using the money/scholarship for vocational training and/or buying equipment.

At the end of the day, though, I still think using the money in our limited pie to reform public schools, and then offer college scholarships directly through the college.

Maybe we could compromise with what's known, in the language of retirement, as "notional accounts." The government keeps an accounting ledger in your name and sends you statements. The difference is in who holds it--your neighborhood bank, vs. a government or public agency that invests and manages it for you like the TSP. You only see the results when you go to school/training (or retire, in the way the concept is currently used). Then the government sends your "notional account balance" directly to the college or training program of your choice.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

A white high school dropout earns more than a black college grad because institutions protect white mediocrity by deferring black opportunity.

I don't believe this.

I have heard this several times, and I don’t believe it either.

It is possible, but still anecdotal. It is possible if white kid dropout and go ahead and work for minimum wages and black kid drop out choose not to work at all; then the income of the white kid will be higher than black’s kid income.

Do you trust Duke?
https://socialequity.duke.edu/portfolio-item/what-we-get-wrong-about-closing-the-racial-wealth-gap/
"At every level of educational attainment, the median wealth among black families is substantially lower than white families. White households with a bachelor’s degree or postgraduate education (such as with a Ph.D., MD, and JD) are more than three times as wealthy as black households with the same degree attainment.

Moreover, on average, a black household with a college-educated head has less wealth than a white family whose head did not even obtain a high school diploma. It takes a postgraduate education for a black family to have comparable levels of wealth to a white household with some college education or an associate degree (Hamilton et al. 2015 and Meschede et al. (2017), who use the Panel Study of Income Dynamics)."

https://socialequity.duke.edu/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/what-we-get-wrong.pdf

Figure 1 on page 6.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:All this does is encourage people who can’t afford it to have lots of babies. I’m a moderate who hasn’t voted Republican in probably 20 years. Policy proposals like this are going to force people like me to move right.

Me too. Policies like this and the politics of Sanders, AOC, etc. really just drive me toward the right.

I voted democrat for 5 straight presidential elections (ever since I could vote). I suddenly realized this year that apparently I am not a democrat. Will sadly be voting Trump now. Sad! I'm not kidding.

It’s not uncommon for mental illness to hit midlife.

It is sadthat we didn’t learn from 2016 election that name calling wont help us.

Yes, we seriously underestimated how deplorable you really are.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I just wish one supporter of one-time cash handouts would explain why this is better than spending the same money to effect long-term change in all the systemic barriers that keep black kids in bad schools with hopeless job prospects.

I know I sound like a broken record because I've asked this several times.

I have answered this, as have a social worker and a teacher earlier in this thread. I’m a psychiatrist, not an economist, so my thoughts are colored in that direction.
But what I see when I talk to kids about their hopes and dreams is that they are extremely limited. I think that if kids grew up knowing that they had $$ to spend to improve their lives, they would start thinking about how to use it and see more possibilities for themselves.

I don’t know how much you know about structural scaffolding in education. The idea is that you start with the basics of a concept, then you continue to build on that information. This is a formal concept that takes advantage of the way our minds naturally work. Once we have scaffolding, then we will start to hook new information to it and build a more fully formed understanding. For example, when you get pregnant, you start learning about pregnancy, and you start noticing that there is information about pregnancy all around you. It was always there, but it just slid away from you before. Or when you first start reading Ancient Greek tragedies in school, you suddenly start noticing references to them. Again, the references were always there. You just didn’t pick up on it before.

I think for many kids that growing up with this money would provide a kind of scaffolding. Information about ACT exams, college applications, home ownership, small business ownership, etc. wouldn’t just slide away. It would have a place to stick.

Now, are there a number of kids who are never going to get there? Yes. Are there some bad parents out there who will try to steal the money? Yes. Are there kids out there who were born looking for ways to succeed and don’t need it? Of course. But for a lot of kids, I can see how this would be very helpful in a way that throwing money at the schools or neighborhood programs would not.

I mean, imagine what kind of discussions teenagers might have about what they are going to do after high school if everyone there has $60k in a bank account. It might look an awful lot more like the discussions middle class kids have.

Thanks for this. I guess my point is, I don't see how this would be more useful than using the same money to reform early, elementary, and secondary education. And then offering college tuition support in the form of grants administered by the colleges, instead of as a handout to a kid. That way, people couldn't blow it or have their parents steal it. I also feel like, if schools don't prepare kids to succeed in college, then what are we doing but setting kids up for failure.

I suppose that telling a kid "here's $50K, but you can only use it for college" is different from, and might be more motivational than, "if you go to college, you'll get some part of tuition for free." It's the difference between knowing you own your 401(k) and the promise that you might get Social Security. But again, $50K will get you two years at UMD, and not even a full year at Columbia. So now we're saying, we'll give you half the tuition, and you might get a scholarship, but you might have to borrow the rest.

Who says that UMD is the best way to spend $100k and 4 years of your young life? Maybe for some people it is. Maybe for other people, it would be better to use the time and money to buy tools to be a contractor or an auto mechanic. Maybe some people would want to go abroad. I don’t know. I am not even 100% sure college is going to be right for my own children, let alone some random stranger I have never met. When you put restrictions and say that $$ can only be used for xyz, it often doesn’t get used in the most effective way.

I agree college isn't for everybody. So use the money for training and certificates. But I totally disagree that we give $50K (the proposal isn't for $100K) for 18-year-olds and their parents to use as they see fit. A trip abroad? A new car? While I'm a firm believer that travel is educational, none of that will help change the systemic problems caused by bad education and lack of opportunity, and make changes that will last over generations. And those are the goals, right?

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Anonymous wrote:I just wish one supporter of one-time cash handouts would explain why this is better than spending the same money to effect long-term change in all the systemic barriers that keep black kids in bad schools with hopeless job prospects.

I know I sound like a broken record because I've asked this several times.

I have answered this, as have a social worker and a teacher earlier in this thread. I’m a psychiatrist, not an economist, so my thoughts are colored in that direction.
But what I see when I talk to kids about their hopes and dreams is that they are extremely limited. I think that if kids grew up knowing that they had $$ to spend to improve their lives, they would start thinking about how to use it and see more possibilities for themselves.

I don’t know how much you know about structural scaffolding in education. The idea is that you start with the basics of a concept, then you continue to build on that information. This is a formal concept that takes advantage of the way our minds naturally work. Once we have scaffolding, then we will start to hook new information to it and build a more fully formed understanding. For example, when you get pregnant, you start learning about pregnancy, and you start noticing that there is information about pregnancy all around you. It was always there, but it just slid away from you before. Or when you first start reading Ancient Greek tragedies in school, you suddenly start noticing references to them. Again, the references were always there. You just didn’t pick up on it before.

I think for many kids that growing up with this money would provide a kind of scaffolding. Information about ACT exams, college applications, home ownership, small business ownership, etc. wouldn’t just slide away. It would have a place to stick.

Now, are there a number of kids who are never going to get there? Yes. Are there some bad parents out there who will try to steal the money? Yes. Are there kids out there who were born looking for ways to succeed and don’t need it? Of course. But for a lot of kids, I can see how this would be very helpful in a way that throwing money at the schools or neighborhood programs would not.

I mean, imagine what kind of discussions teenagers might have about what they are going to do after high school if everyone there has $60k in a bank account. It might look an awful lot more like the discussions middle class kids have.

Yes, imagine how empowered and autonomous those kids would feel.

Very thoughtful post. Thank you.

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Anonymous wrote:I just wish one supporter of one-time cash handouts would explain why this is better than spending the same money to effect long-term change in all the systemic barriers that keep black kids in bad schools with hopeless job prospects.

I know I sound like a broken record because I've asked this several times.

I'm the reparations poster from the thread on the Political forum.

The OP of this thread shared a program that would benefit all low-income kids. There isn't a racial qualifier.

As for reparations, I consider other "investment" programs a higher priority, but I do think some sort of "cash" component would be important for symbolism (to go along with the apology) as well as to give some amount of financial autonomy. My full list of reparations programs I'd like to see considered is here:
http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/540/890753.page#17504286

From a timing perspective, I can see that this would be a contentious issue for the upcoming election, but at the same time black people are the most vulnerable to the current economic downturn. But until we can rally political will nothing will happen with reparations - again. Kicking accountability to the road - again.

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Anonymous wrote:The fascinating thing about all this is that "white" America is rapidly declining as a share of the population and the country rapidly diversifying. I think the reason why the racial, or rather, black racial issues, have become so intensified and bitter in recent years is that the old argument of blaming all their problems on racism has gotten harder when at the same time tens of millions non-whites have immigrated to the United States and in that time, despite not being white, have outperformed black America, and many have even outperformed white America. This substantially weakens the old racial arguments.

That's why it's shifted away from personal, direct individual racism to institutional racism. 50 years ago the racial argument was based on too many individual racists, teachers, employers, politicians, neighbors, being racist, and that to fight racism you had to combat the racists populating the institutions through educating them, and welcoming blacks into the institutions. But flash forward 50 years of Affirmative Action and a white population that is incredibly more tolerant and race blind, and (which is often ignored these days) a flourishing black middle class and many more blacks in leadership position, so many of the problems facing particularly poorer blacks remain. Blacks continue to commit disproportionate amounts of crime and urban deprived neighborhoods remain disproportionately black.

Now the blame for the problems is shifting, not to any individual responsibility, but to a focus on "institutional racism," calling for racism within the framework of American society and American institutions rather than the individuals, and by making it institutional, the proponents override all the current racial tolerance and diversity and affirmative action programs to reach back to the past as an excuse for today's behavior. That's why if Hispanic gang members shoot each other, it's not racism, but when black gang members shoot each other, it's racism. That's why poor white people in places of generational poverty, such as rural America and Appalachia, are not absolved of their poverty, and even openly mocked and trashed, but poor blacks in inner cities are absolved of any responsibilities for their poverty and it's racist to make fun of their cultural behaviors.

I do see and understand why. A focus on blaming "institutional" racism of the past to present allows people to avoid looking at other things more close to home and provides an easy scrapegoat for angers and frustrations.

But ultimately, I suspect it won't go much beyond severely worsening many things. And, ironically, it is still going to the white man with a begging bowl.

No quotes needed for the institutional in institutional racism. It is in fact very real. The US racial caste system puts Black descendants of slavery and Native Americans at the lowest ranks below non-white immigrants. The failure of people like you to acknowledge it, allows it to continue. There are also systems that keep people impoverished which often overlap with race, but that doesn't change the fact that the biggest predictor of how much lifetime wealth you will accumulate is race. A white high school dropout earns more than a black college grad because institutions protect white mediocrity by deferring black opportunity.

How does it put them below if they have the following that immigrants don't have:

- they speak fluent English (most of the immigrants come here either without speaking any English or with a very poor English)
- they was offered free English grammar education for 12 years (all the immigrants can hope is free ESL classes in a local library at the large urban areas)
- they have family support (sometimes extensive family with grandparents, siblings, aunts and anckles)
- they have legal status to work
- they have Affirmative Action to go to college
- they can join military (for some immigrants this is not an option)
- if they are poor, they are eligible for financial aid in college (immigrants don't )
- they can drive (a lot of immigrants moving from big cities or rural areas never drove)

All the listed above put blacks way above any white or non-white immigrant at the starting point.

We don’t have the white skin that makes everything 1000x easier. You have no idea how it is to be looked down upon and treated less than because of your skin color. You don’t understand this because you have never lived this. And I say this as someone who came from a middle class upbringing with two college educated parents. I Ak college educated and have an advanced degree, and even I feel the discrimination. And have felt this all of my life. Education doesn’t make the racism we feel go away. Being gainfully employed and raising our kids in the suburbs doesn’t make it go away. The IT being my black skin.

And stop acting like poor whites don’t qualify for financial aid, TANF/SNAP. They qualify and receive it. They also can join the military, have a legal work status and have family support.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

A white high school dropout earns more than a black college grad because institutions protect white mediocrity by deferring black opportunity.

I don't believe this.

I have heard this several times, and I don’t believe it either.

It is possible, but still anecdotal. It is possible if white kid dropout and go ahead and work for minimum wages and black kid drop out choose not to work at all; then the income of the white kid will be higher than black’s kid income.

Do you trust Duke?
https://socialequity.duke.edu/portfolio-item/what-we-get-wrong-about-closing-the-racial-wealth-gap/
"At every level of educational attainment, the median wealth among black families is substantially lower than white families. White households with a bachelor’s degree or postgraduate education (such as with a Ph.D., MD, and JD) are more than three times as wealthy as black households with the same degree attainment.

Moreover, on average, a black household with a college-educated head has less wealth than a white family whose head did not even obtain a high school diploma. It takes a postgraduate education for a black family to have comparable levels of wealth to a white household with some college education or an associate degree (Hamilton et al. 2015 and Meschede et al. (2017), who use the Panel Study of Income Dynamics)."

https://socialequity.duke.edu/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/what-we-get-wrong.pdf

Figure 1 on page 6.

Earnings =/= HH net worth