It's (finally) time for reparations. It's time for the US to pay its debt.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:During segregation, black people had to build their own institutions, their own businesses which funded by themselves as the larger white community could choose not to engage with them, and the law prohibited equal access.

What happened to that entrepreneurial drive? What is keeping black people from building those up again, now that so many of those barriers are gone?

How much money in there in the black communities to fund new businesses?

How accessible are the business loans/grants?

Presumably more than there was under segregation and jim crow. The SBA wasn't founded until 1953. They would have to self fund, like people did before the government gave help.

[Anonymous]

Seems as if anyone who does not support reparations is racist around here.

I don't support reparations.
I guess I am racist.
I guess Barack Obama is racist too.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm Irish and my family was discriminated for almost a century... wheres my money?

Some SJW here will tell you that they benefitted from “white privilege.” I would just love for my Sicilian ancestors to come back from the dead and have some piss ant SJW tell them to their faces that they were privileged in any way. Now that would be entertainment!

Racist trash like you have had enough privilege. Sit TF down.

DP: you, you, YOU, are pure racist trash. Sit TF down.

How exactly am I racist trash?

Your comments show the racist trash you are.

DP here. Why? Because Sicilian immigrants 100 years ago had such a great life?

My great grandfather came over from Italy in 1901 and was a manual laborer scraping by for the rest of his life. He had it rough too. But he traveled here of his own free will. And he was able to live with his family. His kids weren’t sold off like property. He didn’t lose his name, language, religion, or culture. His kids were able to go to school and get better jobs. Those kids moved around. None got lynched. There were no US policies limiting his options for housing & banking. So he had it tough, but it wasn’t really comparable.

That doesn’t change the fact that PP is racist and should sit TF down.

Sicilians were lynched too, genius. And if you want to pay up for slavery despite the facts that your relatives came here 50 years after slavery ended, then by all means, sell your house and your land and put the money in the coffer so that it can be paid to people were never slaves and whose great-great grandparents were probably not even slaves. Why don’t you also give up your lucrative high paying job to a black person to make up for the past sins of discrimination and oppression that you didn’t commit? If you want to throw your hard earned money away for something you didn’t do, then go right ahead. I refuse because it is stupid, unfair, probably unconstitutional, and ultimately won’t improve or change anything. And if having common sense, logic and reason now makes one “racist trash,” then this country has taken a real turn toward the radical and we are all in real trouble. Luckily, though, reparations will never happen.

Italy weeps for your ignorance, truly. Sacco was from Apuglia (not Sicily) and Vanzetti was from Northern Italy. My Sicilian and Calabrian relatives experienced a lot of discrimination in Italy and in the United States where they were not considered white enough. However, they always ended every conversation with, but nobody has been treated worse in this country than Native Americans. There was no Trail of Tears for Italians in this country. Italian bodies were not the “strange fruit hanging from Southern trees,” by and large. My Italian grandparents taught me empathy. Apparently yours failed you.

Italians were not only lynched, they were also put in internment camps. Where is our money? Where is the Native Americans money? Where is the Latinos’ money? Or the money for the Chinese whose ancestors were also interned? You better pay up because your great “empathy” isn’t getting anyone sh!t!

Please prove examples of more than two Italians who were lynched. Italians were not actually put in internment camps in this country, Boris-bot. Neither were the Chinese. They were not systematically raped, had their children kidnapped and sold away from them, etc. Please get some perspective, Boris-bot.

All of that and more happened to Native Americans. Where's their money? A very wealthy black man calculated that each black person is owed $350,000. Don't ask how that was calculated, that's racist. I calculate that each Native American is owed $3 million.

I have not yet calculated our debt to Mexico for talking half their country, but I am sure it is quite substantial.

One Jew was lynched im Georgia in 1914 and thousands of Jews fled the state in fear. I calculate that each of their descendants is owed $35,000. Don't ask how I got that, that's racist.

Dear Racist:

Please do not misuse the memory of Leo Frank for your racist agenda. Thousands of Jews did not flee the state of Georgia. There were not thousands of Jews in Georgia at that point in history, Boris-bot.

Dear anti-Semite. Please do not use the memory of any lynching for your racist agenda. There were 3000 Jews in Georgia. Look it up.

Leonid.

Dear Leonid-bot: I do not believe you are Jewish for two seconds, but in any case 3000 is not a lot - and there was no mass exodus of them following Frank's murder. https://www.isjl.org/georgia-encyclopedia.html. This is not a suffering Olympics, but in any case, Jews were not systemically raped, murdered, separated from their families, denied the right to read in this country. --Signed actual Jew.

I'm not Jewish? You don't know a damn thing about me and I don't know anything about you, so feel free to make up what ever reality you like. It's a lot easier to make up reasons to dismiss people than it is to actually engage them. Knock yourself out.

Wikipedia was my source for 3,000 jews in Georgia and half fled. Which is "thousands," as I understand it, but that really isn't the point. Tried to confirm, but could not do that on my phone. Myjewishlearning.com said people left without giving a number.

Not the "suffering Olympics?" That's exactly what it is. If people who share your skin color suffered enough in the past you win "reparations," and other who suffered in other ways in other places don't. Unless they can make an equal or better case, I guess, but most can't.

[Anonymous]

Isn't it fun to come on anonymous message boards and just start firing off names at people you have no idea who they are??

Apparently, the only reason one can disagree with reparations is that they are racists. If it was only that easy, but go on, fire away. Always helps to advance the conversation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Seems as if anyone who does not support reparations is racist around here.

I don't support reparations.
I guess I am racist.
I guess Barack Obama is racist too.

Oh honey. Did your feelings get hurt? I’m so sorry. But no one called you a racist for not supporting reparations - they called you a racist for the REASONS why you don’t support it. Need a tissue?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Isn't it fun to come on anonymous message boards and just start firing off names at people you have no idea who they are??

Apparently, the only reason one can disagree with reparations is that they are racists. If it was only that easy, but go on, fire away. Always helps to advance the conversation.

Timestamp of anyone who was called a racist for not supporting reparations and not for some other reason?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:During segregation, black people had to build their own institutions, their own businesses which funded by themselves as the larger white community could choose not to engage with them, and the law prohibited equal access.

What happened to that entrepreneurial drive? What is keeping black people from building those up again, now that so many of those barriers are gone?

How much money in there in the black communities to fund new businesses?

How accessible are the business loans/grants?

Presumably more than there was under segregation and jim crow. The SBA wasn't founded until 1953. They would have to self fund, like people did before the government gave help.

Ok. Enough to help with the gap?

[Anonymous]

Lady, how much damn money do you want me to pay you?

Great question. A congressional study would be the best approach to defining criteria and programs, but here is what I’d like to see done:

First, the US should issue an apology that recognizes the impact of white supremacy in US policies over the last 400 years. Also, update k-12 curriculum to more accurately reflect black history in the US and incorporate programs to reduce implicit bias.

Then, to “atone” for the atrocities, the US government should create a portfolio of investments into black communities (programs to increase homeownership, education, and wealth). The actual impact of white supremacy was trillions of dollars (various estimates range from $2T to $100T+). I’d like to see that paid out over time.

$300B per year over the next 20 years (re-evaluate every 5 years):
- $25B for predominantly black PK-12 districts (that is the current gap in spending)
- $10B for training programs
- $10B for community college & HBCU
- $5B for high-quality childcare for those in training/school
- $75B for business loans/grants
- $75B for homeownership programs, prioritizing people who live in redlined neighborhoods (equity grants to reduce gap in homeownership - 43% vs 73%)
- $80B for personal investments or opportunity accounts - $2k pp per year (median white family has 86x assets as median black)
- $20B for rehabilitation programs for inmates

~40 million Americans would be eligible if criteria is having one enslaved ancestor and identifying as black for the last 10 years.

That still doesn’t cover the current wealth gap of $267k pp, but it’s a great start towards recovery.

My sources:

https://www.vox.com/2014/5/23/5741352/six-times-victims-have-received-reparations-including-four-in-the-us

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-brooks-reparations-20190423-story.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/23/business/economy/reparations-slavery.html

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/4791140_Forty_Acres_and_a_Mule_in_the_21st_Century

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/10/22/17999558/cory-booker-baby-bonds

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B07XVF3X9D?storeType=ebooks

(I’m typing on my phone - please excuse typos)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Seems as if anyone who does not support reparations is racist around here.

I don't support reparations.
I guess I am racist.
I guess Barack Obama is racist too.

Oh honey. Did your feelings get hurt? I’m so sorry. But no one called you a racist for not supporting reparations - they called you a racist for the REASONS why you don’t support it. Need a tissue?

No, I'm good. Thanks.
I just know it's projection. And, the way some people here try to shut down discussion when they disagree with the argument.
So. I am not offended nor am I afraid to continue to express my opinion.

[Anonymous]

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Lady, how much damn money do you want me to pay you?

Great question. A congressional study would be the best approach to defining criteria and programs, but here is what I’d like to see done:

First, the US should issue an apology that recognizes the impact of white supremacy in US policies over the last 400 years. Also, update k-12 curriculum to more accurately reflect black history in the US and incorporate programs to reduce implicit bias.

Then, to “atone” for the atrocities, the US government should create a portfolio of investments into black communities (programs to increase homeownership, education, and wealth). The actual impact of white supremacy was trillions of dollars (various estimates range from $2T to $100T+). I’d like to see that paid out over time.

$300B per year over the next 20 years (re-evaluate every 5 years):
- $25B for predominantly black PK-12 districts (that is the current gap in spending)
- $10B for training programs
- $10B for community college & HBCU
- $5B for high-quality childcare for those in training/school
- $75B for business loans/grants
- $75B for homeownership programs, prioritizing people who live in redlined neighborhoods (equity grants to reduce gap in homeownership - 43% vs 73%)
- $80B for personal investments or opportunity accounts - $2k pp per year (median white family has 86x assets as median black)
- $20B for rehabilitation programs for inmates

~40 million Americans would be eligible if criteria is having one enslaved ancestor and identifying as black for the last 10 years.

That still doesn’t cover the current wealth gap of $267k pp, but it’s a great start towards recovery.

My sources:

https://www.vox.com/2014/5/23/5741352/six-times-victims-have-received-reparations-including-four-in-the-us

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-brooks-reparations-20190423-story.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/23/business/economy/reparations-slavery.html

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/4791140_Forty_Acres_and_a_Mule_in_the_21st_Century

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/10/22/17999558/cory-booker-baby-bonds

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B07XVF3X9D?storeType=ebooks

(I’m typing on my phone - please excuse typos)

there are going to be a lot of Rachel Dolezals out there in the next year if this ever is even considered.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Seems as if anyone who does not support reparations is racist around here.

I don't support reparations.
I guess I am racist.
I guess Barack Obama is racist too.

Oh honey. Did your feelings get hurt? I’m so sorry. But no one called you a racist for not supporting reparations - they called you a racist for the REASONS why you don’t support it. Need a tissue?

No, I'm good. Thanks.
I just know it's projection. And, the way some people here try to shut down discussion when they disagree with the argument.
So. I am not offended nor am I afraid to continue to express my opinion.

Timestamp of post that you believe was an attempt to shut you down?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Lady, how much damn money do you want me to pay you?

Great question. A congressional study would be the best approach to defining criteria and programs, but here is what I’d like to see done:

First, the US should issue an apology that recognizes the impact of white supremacy in US policies over the last 400 years. Also, update k-12 curriculum to more accurately reflect black history in the US and incorporate programs to reduce implicit bias.

Then, to “atone” for the atrocities, the US government should create a portfolio of investments into black communities (programs to increase homeownership, education, and wealth). The actual impact of white supremacy was trillions of dollars (various estimates range from $2T to $100T+). I’d like to see that paid out over time.

$300B per year over the next 20 years (re-evaluate every 5 years):
- $25B for predominantly black PK-12 districts (that is the current gap in spending)
- $10B for training programs
- $10B for community college & HBCU
- $5B for high-quality childcare for those in training/school
- $75B for business loans/grants
- $75B for homeownership programs, prioritizing people who live in redlined neighborhoods (equity grants to reduce gap in homeownership - 43% vs 73%)
- $80B for personal investments or opportunity accounts - $2k pp per year (median white family has 86x assets as median black)
- $20B for rehabilitation programs for inmates

~40 million Americans would be eligible if criteria is having one enslaved ancestor and identifying as black for the last 10 years.

That still doesn’t cover the current wealth gap of $267k pp, but it’s a great start towards recovery.

My sources:

https://www.vox.com/2014/5/23/5741352/six-times-victims-have-received-reparations-including-four-in-the-us

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-brooks-reparations-20190423-story.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/23/business/economy/reparations-slavery.html

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/4791140_Forty_Acres_and_a_Mule_in_the_21st_Century

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/10/22/17999558/cory-booker-baby-bonds

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B07XVF3X9D?storeType=ebooks

(I’m typing on my phone - please excuse typos)

Thanks, I am the PP who calls himself a racist above I actually support most of that program. My three objections are:
1) I don't think the financial cost of white supremacism can actually be calculated, so I don't think it can be used as a guide for what to pay now.
2) I support similiar investments in poor Latino and white communities.
3) I support universal or near universal basic income in higher amounts than the $2K you propose.

But I'm still going to have consider myself racist because I am
including other races in your great investment program that will help a lot of black people.

Also, I like the official apology thing, and I'll go one better. I thing we need a truth and reconciliation commission like South Africa bad. Let's put all the history out there for all of us to discuss. History is important. I just don't think it can be paid for.

[Anonymous]

I thing we need a truth and reconciliation commission like South Africa bad. Let's put all the history out there for all of us to discuss. History is important.

Agree.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Seems as if anyone who does not support reparations is racist around here.

I don't support reparations.
I guess I am racist.
I guess Barack Obama is racist too.

Oh honey. Did your feelings get hurt? I’m so sorry. But no one called you a racist for not supporting reparations - they called you a racist for the REASONS why you don’t support it. Need a tissue?

I don't support reparations because I don't believe anyone is entitled to personal cash payment for anything that happened to any group in any previous generation, no matter how horrible. I do believe that poor people should be given assistance to earn money, buy homes, build businesses etc. I also believe that systemic racism is a problem and that all forms of systemic racism should be dismantled today but I don't consider this a reparation because it doesn't make up for anything that happened in a previous generation.

I called myself a racist for taking this position. Do you I think I am?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Seems as if anyone who does not support reparations is racist around here.

I don't support reparations.
I guess I am racist.
I guess Barack Obama is racist too.

Oh honey. Did your feelings get hurt? I’m so sorry. But no one called you a racist for not supporting reparations - they called you a racist for the REASONS why you don’t support it. Need a tissue?

No, I'm good. Thanks.
I just know it's projection. And, the way some people here try to shut down discussion when they disagree with the argument.
So. I am not offended nor am I afraid to continue to express my opinion.

Timestamp of post that you believe was an attempt to shut you down?

Not a reply to me, but to another "racist" poster. 06/27/2020 22:25