How Technical are the Girls?

[Anonymous]

A PP asked a good question earlier. Does the PDA keeper always kick it long on goal kicks? It's really pretty embarrassing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A PP asked a good question earlier. Does the PDA keeper always kick it long on goal kicks? It's really pretty embarrassing.

If she was to dumb to realize that Barca wasn’t pressing and there was no need to take possession and turn it into a 50/50 ball downfield without numbers then my guess is l, yes, she always kicks it long on goal kicks.

Imagine how bad our national soccer must be that you can go two years without losing a game and you can’t play out of the back.

Pathetic. But, again, we are fast until it doesn’t make the difference it once did.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is somewhat depressing and fascinating that this debate even exists in the USA about athletic v technical play.
Clearly you want elite athleticism and elite technical and creative play
It is not an either or.
Can an elite athletic team/player beat a technical one? yes
Can an elite technical team/player beat an athletic one? yes

Can you select athleticism an? Yes
can you teach technical play? Yes

The technical creative style of play vs athletic long ball and disruption is not really a debat : technical creative play is better and creates more success for ANY team
Athletic kickball is great for only a select few teams.

The USWNT plays a hybrid as they should. So far they have not had to play as technical but that is coming.

For youth teams, technical play takes time to develop it really is a question of when you start that reflects how soon it shows

Pele Ronaldo Messi etc are all technical and athletic. Their creativity based on their technical and athletic ability sets them apart

That PDA team was not properly prepared by their coach tactically. It was like they and he had never seen a passing style of play before and expecr d to high press to a win. I’m sure they simply never saw it executed with such poise.

+1

Arrogance.

How do you prepare for never having the ball? How do you suddenly prepare for needing accurate passes? They are trained to play their way and their way got dismantled and then they were toyed with.

If you don’t know how to maintain possession you can’t just prepare for it.

Can you just please stop. When the PP said was correct. PDA was so dominant based upon the way they played. If two teams with equal ahleticism and technical play, the team was with better game plan (tactics) wins.

Yes. I think we are actually in agreement. I am the PP who said PDA had never seen that technical play executed with that poise.
If Shaquille ONeil is on your team for basketball then sure lob it in to him over and over. But if you can run The Golden State Warriors 5 our offense with Curry who has greater technical skill than Shaq well you win.

Tactics count.

The PDA team looked unprepared emotionally and tactically.
Why press so high ? With so few players pressing ?
Tactics to deal with Barca style are well known and clear the PDA coach just ignored them
A hot day in the sun pressings. Against a possession team up high? Not a recipe for success
Again the exist nice of a debate seems to me to be more an indicator of ignorance

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The axe to grind poster is the same guy that always harps about how technical skills are the only thing that matters on numerous threads. Clearly he has an athletic deficiency as probably does his kid, hence the defensiveness. The rest of us know from experience and observation that it all matters. Skill, IQ, and athleticism. Henry, Bale, C. Ronaldo, Drogba, Zidane, Mueller, Robbin, Mbappe, Pogba, Ronaldinho, Etto, etc. Even Messi, Pele, Maradona, Iniesta, while not big super fast guys, had great quickness, balance, and coordination (athleticism doesn’t always mean top level sprinting speed or size).

And to claim that the USWNT players don’t have great technical skill is laughable. Most consistently dominant international soccer team ever and some posters still criticize them. Wonders never cease. Then again the poster is probably English and is simply upset because his country hasn’t won squat in over 50 years. Men’s or Women’s. We’re all thankful for the countryman that invented the sport, but the game passed your country by long ago.

This post is wrong on so many levels. Starting out with your first two players—by claiming that Thierry Henry and Gareth Bale were not super fast shows how little you know overall.

But beyond that, your comment has nothing to do with girls soccer. Those elite male players are both fast and technically gifted. But the discussion here is about girls’/women’s soccer. The fact that a team wins and is “dominant” does not mean they are technically gifted. Have you watched the top US women’s college teams play? It is not a technical game. Instead it is a direct, athletic game. Same holds true for the USWNT. They are excellent athletes and they win. But the gap has been closing, and if technical skills are not emphasized more in the US they will be surpassed by European and South American women who are both athletic and technically gifted. The problem is this dynamic is going to be very difficult to change in the US given the structures and priorities that have been created.

First of all you don’t know how to read. The first list of players ARE all fast and very athletic. Dumb s$&t. That’s my point. You just agreed with me so case proven. Second, at the NT level winning is ALL that matters. But go ahead, look good and lose. That’s fine. Keep talking about “someday” and we’ll keep winning today. Third, I’ve played, watched and forgotten more soccer than you’ll ever know. But given that you missed my first point I guess you didn’t win any IQ awards. I will give you one hackneyed (look it up in the dictionary) point that the gap is closing. Of course it is. Yeah! for women’s rights in other countries. But we will adjust and will still be the best (women’s side). Our men will never win squat and it is due to one simple reason. Our elite, obsessed with excellence athletes don’t play soccer here. They play other sports. Btw. I will take Linsey Horan’s and Rose Lavelle’s skills over any other woman in the world. Period. Marta can dribble all day and waste her teammate’s time while we beat them again and again and again. Same with the little Japanese women, the oversized Norwegians and the arrogant Spanish, French, and English. Case closed. Facts matter and opinions don’t.

Would like to know based on your theory, which American sport would Messi have played if he were born here?

Probably baseball or tennis. Possibly a boxer. My guess is he would have been really good at whatever sport he tried but basketball and football may have been too much to overcome to make it to the pros from a size perspective. Although, Barry Sanders was only 5’8” and Mugsy Bogues was 5’3”. The thing is, whatever he picked he would have obsessed over it, spending hours upon hours, year after year honing his craft and that along with his incredible balance and quickness would have made him exceed.

Let's not call tennis an American sport, can we? There is currently no American player in the men's top 20. And the average height among the top 10 is 6'3, where Messi is 5'7.

You would think among the millions of youth soccer players, it wouldn't be very hard to find a couple with Messi-like balance and quickness and willing to pour in the hours to improve. Are you saying all the kids with such potentials are in football, basketball and baseball and not a single one picked soccer?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The axe to grind poster is the same guy that always harps about how technical skills are the only thing that matters on numerous threads. Clearly he has an athletic deficiency as probably does his kid, hence the defensiveness. The rest of us know from experience and observation that it all matters. Skill, IQ, and athleticism. Henry, Bale, C. Ronaldo, Drogba, Zidane, Mueller, Robbin, Mbappe, Pogba, Ronaldinho, Etto, etc. Even Messi, Pele, Maradona, Iniesta, while not big super fast guys, had great quickness, balance, and coordination (athleticism doesn’t always mean top level sprinting speed or size).

And to claim that the USWNT players don’t have great technical skill is laughable. Most consistently dominant international soccer team ever and some posters still criticize them. Wonders never cease. Then again the poster is probably English and is simply upset because his country hasn’t won squat in over 50 years. Men’s or Women’s. We’re all thankful for the countryman that invented the sport, but the game passed your country by long ago.

This post is wrong on so many levels. Starting out with your first two players—by claiming that Thierry Henry and Gareth Bale were not super fast shows how little you know overall.

But beyond that, your comment has nothing to do with girls soccer. Those elite male players are both fast and technically gifted. But the discussion here is about girls’/women’s soccer. The fact that a team wins and is “dominant” does not mean they are technically gifted. Have you watched the top US women’s college teams play? It is not a technical game. Instead it is a direct, athletic game. Same holds true for the USWNT. They are excellent athletes and they win. But the gap has been closing, and if technical skills are not emphasized more in the US they will be surpassed by European and South American women who are both athletic and technically gifted. The problem is this dynamic is going to be very difficult to change in the US given the structures and priorities that have been created.

First of all you don’t know how to read. The first list of players ARE all fast and very athletic. Dumb s$&t. That’s my point. You just agreed with me so case proven. Second, at the NT level winning is ALL that matters. But go ahead, look good and lose. That’s fine. Keep talking about “someday” and we’ll keep winning today. Third, I’ve played, watched and forgotten more soccer than you’ll ever know. But given that you missed my first point I guess you didn’t win any IQ awards. I will give you one hackneyed (look it up in the dictionary) point that the gap is closing. Of course it is. Yeah! for women’s rights in other countries. But we will adjust and will still be the best (women’s side). Our men will never win squat and it is due to one simple reason. Our elite, obsessed with excellence athletes don’t play soccer here. They play other sports. Btw. I will take Linsey Horan’s and Rose Lavelle’s skills over any other woman in the world. Period. Marta can dribble all day and waste her teammate’s time while we beat them again and again and again. Same with the little Japanese women, the oversized Norwegians and the arrogant Spanish, French, and English. Case closed. Facts matter and opinions don’t.

Would like to know based on your theory, which American sport would Messi have played if he were born here?

Probably baseball or tennis. Possibly a boxer. My guess is he would have been really good at whatever sport he tried but basketball and football may have been too much to overcome to make it to the pros from a size perspective. Although, Barry Sanders was only 5’8” and Mugsy Bogues was 5’3”. The thing is, whatever he picked he would have obsessed over it, spending hours upon hours, year after year honing his craft and that along with his incredible balance and quickness would have made him exceed.

Let's not call tennis an American sport, can we? There is currently no American player in the men's top 20. And the average height among the top 10 is 6'3, where Messi is 5'7.

You would think among the millions of youth soccer players, it wouldn't be very hard to find a couple with Messi-like balance and quickness and willing to pour in the hours to improve. Are you saying all the kids with such potentials are in football, basketball and baseball and not a single one picked soccer?

Look at the salary and demographic difference between playing US soccer vs other US major sports. If my son is athletic, I would encourage him to play for a major sport.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The axe to grind poster is the same guy that always harps about how technical skills are the only thing that matters on numerous threads. Clearly he has an athletic deficiency as probably does his kid, hence the defensiveness. The rest of us know from experience and observation that it all matters. Skill, IQ, and athleticism. Henry, Bale, C. Ronaldo, Drogba, Zidane, Mueller, Robbin, Mbappe, Pogba, Ronaldinho, Etto, etc. Even Messi, Pele, Maradona, Iniesta, while not big super fast guys, had great quickness, balance, and coordination (athleticism doesn’t always mean top level sprinting speed or size).

And to claim that the USWNT players don’t have great technical skill is laughable. Most consistently dominant international soccer team ever and some posters still criticize them. Wonders never cease. Then again the poster is probably English and is simply upset because his country hasn’t won squat in over 50 years. Men’s or Women’s. We’re all thankful for the countryman that invented the sport, but the game passed your country by long ago.

This post is wrong on so many levels. Starting out with your first two players—by claiming that Thierry Henry and Gareth Bale were not super fast shows how little you know overall.

But beyond that, your comment has nothing to do with girls soccer. Those elite male players are both fast and technically gifted. But the discussion here is about girls’/women’s soccer. The fact that a team wins and is “dominant” does not mean they are technically gifted. Have you watched the top US women’s college teams play? It is not a technical game. Instead it is a direct, athletic game. Same holds true for the USWNT. They are excellent athletes and they win. But the gap has been closing, and if technical skills are not emphasized more in the US they will be surpassed by European and South American women who are both athletic and technically gifted. The problem is this dynamic is going to be very difficult to change in the US given the structures and priorities that have been created.

First of all you don’t know how to read. The first list of players ARE all fast and very athletic. Dumb s$&t. That’s my point. You just agreed with me so case proven. Second, at the NT level winning is ALL that matters. But go ahead, look good and lose. That’s fine. Keep talking about “someday” and we’ll keep winning today. Third, I’ve played, watched and forgotten more soccer than you’ll ever know. But given that you missed my first point I guess you didn’t win any IQ awards. I will give you one hackneyed (look it up in the dictionary) point that the gap is closing. Of course it is. Yeah! for women’s rights in other countries. But we will adjust and will still be the best (women’s side). Our men will never win squat and it is due to one simple reason. Our elite, obsessed with excellence athletes don’t play soccer here. They play other sports. Btw. I will take Linsey Horan’s and Rose Lavelle’s skills over any other woman in the world. Period. Marta can dribble all day and waste her teammate’s time while we beat them again and again and again. Same with the little Japanese women, the oversized Norwegians and the arrogant Spanish, French, and English. Case closed. Facts matter and opinions don’t.

Would like to know based on your theory, which American sport would Messi have played if he were born here?

Probably baseball or tennis. Possibly a boxer. My guess is he would have been really good at whatever sport he tried but basketball and football may have been too much to overcome to make it to the pros from a size perspective. Although, Barry Sanders was only 5’8” and Mugsy Bogues was 5’3”. The thing is, whatever he picked he would have obsessed over it, spending hours upon hours, year after year honing his craft and that along with his incredible balance and quickness would have made him exceed.

Let's not call tennis an American sport, can we? There is currently no American player in the men's top 20. And the average height among the top 10 is 6'3, where Messi is 5'7.

You would think among the millions of youth soccer players, it wouldn't be very hard to find a couple with Messi-like balance and quickness and willing to pour in the hours to improve. Are you saying all the kids with such potentials are in football, basketball and baseball and not a single one picked soccer?

Look at the salary and demographic difference between playing US soccer vs other US major sports. If my son is athletic, I would encourage him to play for a major sport.

If your son was exceptional at soccer you should encourage him to play in Europe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is somewhat depressing and fascinating that this debate even exists in the USA about athletic v technical play.
Clearly you want elite athleticism and elite technical and creative play
It is not an either or.
Can an elite athletic team/player beat a technical one? yes
Can an elite technical team/player beat an athletic one? yes

Can you select athleticism an? Yes
can you teach technical play? Yes

The technical creative style of play vs athletic long ball and disruption is not really a debat : technical creative play is better and creates more success for ANY team
Athletic kickball is great for only a select few teams.

The USWNT plays a hybrid as they should. So far they have not had to play as technical but that is coming.

For youth teams, technical play takes time to develop it really is a question of when you start that reflects how soon it shows

Pele Ronaldo Messi etc are all technical and athletic. Their creativity based on their technical and athletic ability sets them apart

That PDA team was not properly prepared by their coach tactically. It was like they and he had never seen a passing style of play before and expecr d to high press to a win. I’m sure they simply never saw it executed with such poise.

+1

Arrogance.

How do you prepare for never having the ball? How do you suddenly prepare for needing accurate passes? They are trained to play their way and their way got dismantled and then they were toyed with.

If you don’t know how to maintain possession you can’t just prepare for it.

Can you just please stop. When the PP said was correct. PDA was so dominant based upon the way they played. If two teams with equal ahleticism and technical play, the team was with better game plan (tactics) wins.

Yes. I think we are actually in agreement. I am the PP who said PDA had never seen that technical play executed with that poise.
If Shaquille ONeil is on your team for basketball then sure lob it in to him over and over. But if you can run The Golden State Warriors 5 our offense with Curry who has greater technical skill than Shaq well you win.

Tactics count.

The PDA team looked unprepared emotionally and tactically.
Why press so high ? With so few players pressing ?
Tactics to deal with Barca style are well known and clear the PDA coach just ignored them
A hot day in the sun pressings. Against a possession team up high? Not a recipe for success
Again the exist nice of a debate seems to me to be more an indicator of ignorance

Game 5 in a week? In the Florida sun, 14 years old... what an idiot. These are not 18+ professional players

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is somewhat depressing and fascinating that this debate even exists in the USA about athletic v technical play.
Clearly you want elite athleticism and elite technical and creative play
It is not an either or.
Can an elite athletic team/player beat a technical one? yes
Can an elite technical team/player beat an athletic one? yes

Can you select athleticism an? Yes
can you teach technical play? Yes

The technical creative style of play vs athletic long ball and disruption is not really a debat : technical creative play is better and creates more success for ANY team
Athletic kickball is great for only a select few teams.

The USWNT plays a hybrid as they should. So far they have not had to play as technical but that is coming.

For youth teams, technical play takes time to develop it really is a question of when you start that reflects how soon it shows

Pele Ronaldo Messi etc are all technical and athletic. Their creativity based on their technical and athletic ability sets them apart

That PDA team was not properly prepared by their coach tactically. It was like they and he had never seen a passing style of play before and expecr d to high press to a win. I’m sure they simply never saw it executed with such poise.

+1

Arrogance.

How do you prepare for never having the ball? How do you suddenly prepare for needing accurate passes? They are trained to play their way and their way got dismantled and then they were toyed with.

If you don’t know how to maintain possession you can’t just prepare for it.

Can you just please stop. When the PP said was correct. PDA was so dominant based upon the way they played. If two teams with equal ahleticism and technical play, the team was with better game plan (tactics) wins.

Yes. I think we are actually in agreement. I am the PP who said PDA had never seen that technical play executed with that poise.
If Shaquille ONeil is on your team for basketball then sure lob it in to him over and over. But if you can run The Golden State Warriors 5 our offense with Curry who has greater technical skill than Shaq well you win.

Tactics count.

The PDA team looked unprepared emotionally and tactically.
Why press so high ? With so few players pressing ?
Tactics to deal with Barca style are well known and clear the PDA coach just ignored them
A hot day in the sun pressings. Against a possession team up high? Not a recipe for success
Again the exist nice of a debate seems to me to be more an indicator of ignorance

Game 5 in a week? In the Florida sun, 14 years old... what an idiot. These are not 18+ professional players

And as if Barca didn't play the same number of games in the same heat with jet lag on top of it.

[Anonymous]

Yes Barca played the same # of games

But Barca let the ball do the work so their runs -
Like the overlapping run to the left that scored the first goal -
were effective.

pDA ‘s runs were chasing around a ball that they couldn’t catch
Then when they did have it and went long , Barca’s backs were on fresh legs

The only unusual thing about this game is that Barca style usually involves wearing down opposition legs
Early and scoring later - here they didn’t need to do that against a team that did not know what defensive shape should be
And could not envision that overlap coming

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes Barca played the same # of games

But Barca let the ball do the work so their runs -
Like the overlapping run to the left that scored the first goal -
were effective.

pDA ‘s runs were chasing around a ball that they couldn’t catch
Then when they did have it and went long , Barca’s backs were on fresh legs

The only unusual thing about this game is that Barca style usually involves wearing down opposition legs
Early and scoring later - here they didn’t need to do that against a team that did not know what defensive shape should be
And could not envision that overlap coming

It's Barca, not envisioning the overlap and possession is the perfect example of American ignorance and arrogance in action. Kicking off deep was all time dumb and arrogant. We are light years behind what is coming in the next generation if that PDA team is an example of the best club team at 05 in the nation.

[Anonymous]

LMAO. So much made of one game, lasting for months on here.

Some people are truly amazing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes Barca played the same # of games

But Barca let the ball do the work so their runs -
Like the overlapping run to the left that scored the first goal -
were effective.

pDA ‘s runs were chasing around a ball that they couldn’t catch
Then when they did have it and went long , Barca’s backs were on fresh legs

The only unusual thing about this game is that Barca style usually involves wearing down opposition legs
Early and scoring later - here they didn’t need to do that against a team that did not know what defensive shape should be
And could not envision that overlap coming

It's Barca, not envisioning the overlap and possession is the perfect example of American ignorance and arrogance in action. Kicking off deep was all time dumb and arrogant. We are light years behind what is coming in the next generation if that PDA team is an example of the best club team at 05 in the nation.

Considering you have beaten this dead horse into the ground for the past several months now, just curious. Does the one match a few months ago where Watford beat Liverpool mean that Watford is the "better" team? Why not? Is it possible that Liverpool will adjust and play better next time? If not, why not? Could Liverpool even possibly win the next match? If not, why? Doesn't it stand to reason that PDA, clearly being unprepared for the style and tactics played in the dead horse game, might get better in the next match. If not, why not?

Let's remember these are kids teams playing, coaches weren't studying game film of opponents, breaking down styles and looking for weaknesses to exploit, on top of it being ONE match, and stop beating the poor, dead horse. It's had enough.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes Barca played the same # of games

But Barca let the ball do the work so their runs -
Like the overlapping run to the left that scored the first goal -
were effective.

pDA ‘s runs were chasing around a ball that they couldn’t catch
Then when they did have it and went long , Barca’s backs were on fresh legs

The only unusual thing about this game is that Barca style usually involves wearing down opposition legs
Early and scoring later - here they didn’t need to do that against a team that did not know what defensive shape should be
And could not envision that overlap coming

It's Barca, not envisioning the overlap and possession is the perfect example of American ignorance and arrogance in action. Kicking off deep was all time dumb and arrogant. We are light years behind what is coming in the next generation if that PDA team is an example of the best club team at 05 in the nation.

Considering you have beaten this dead horse into the ground for the past several months now, just curious. Does the one match a few months ago where Watford beat Liverpool mean that Watford is the "better" team? Why not? Is it possible that Liverpool will adjust and play better next time? If not, why not? Could Liverpool even possibly win the next match? If not, why? Doesn't it stand to reason that PDA, clearly being unprepared for the style and tactics played in the dead horse game, might get better in the next match. If not, why not?

Let's remember these are kids teams playing, coaches weren't studying game film of opponents, breaking down styles and looking for weaknesses to exploit, on top of it being ONE match, and stop beating the poor, dead horse. It's had enough.

Are you seriously suggesting that PDA is Liverpool to Barca’s Watford?

That is the problem right there. Why wasn’t PDA better prepared to play Barca? Arrogance? Ignorance?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes Barca played the same # of games

But Barca let the ball do the work so their runs -
Like the overlapping run to the left that scored the first goal -
were effective.

pDA ‘s runs were chasing around a ball that they couldn’t catch
Then when they did have it and went long , Barca’s backs were on fresh legs

The only unusual thing about this game is that Barca style usually involves wearing down opposition legs
Early and scoring later - here they didn’t need to do that against a team that did not know what defensive shape should be
And could not envision that overlap coming

It's Barca, not envisioning the overlap and possession is the perfect example of American ignorance and arrogance in action. Kicking off deep was all time dumb and arrogant. We are light years behind what is coming in the next generation if that PDA team is an example of the best club team at 05 in the nation.

Considering you have beaten this dead horse into the ground for the past several months now, just curious. Does the one match a few months ago where Watford beat Liverpool mean that Watford is the "better" team? Why not? Is it possible that Liverpool will adjust and play better next time? If not, why not? Could Liverpool even possibly win the next match? If not, why? Doesn't it stand to reason that PDA, clearly being unprepared for the style and tactics played in the dead horse game, might get better in the next match. If not, why not?

Let's remember these are kids teams playing, coaches weren't studying game film of opponents, breaking down styles and looking for weaknesses to exploit, on top of it being ONE match, and stop beating the poor, dead horse. It's had enough.

Are you seriously suggesting that PDA is Liverpool to Barca’s Watford?

That is the problem right there. Why wasn’t PDA better prepared to play Barca? Arrogance? Ignorance?

You said yourself that the Spanish kids weren't as athletic. I'll bet the American kids with better preparation and focus would have beaten them. Prove me wrong.

[Anonymous]

OP is acting like this was the men's Barca first team it was a bunch of 14 year old girls.

Another thread that has jumped the shark.