Virginia vs. Maryland for Universities

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting to see UVA has 10% more students looking for work than UMD, considering UVA is half the size you'd thinking getting jobs would be easier with less competition.

Majors may be more important. Maryland had 35% of graduates in computer science, engineering, and business for 2018-19 vs 24% for UVA.

That doesn't make sense, W&M has no engineering school and the vast majority are non-comp sci/business, larger humanities %, but it has ~15% higher employment.

Starbucks baristas bro

From the W&M first destinations report: 91% of those working reported their career interests aligns very well/somewhat well with their work.

Exactly

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Anonymous wrote:That is really interesting that UMD and Tech have the highest percent continuing their education! Obviously it’s not a huge difference but I would’ve thought it’d be the opposite: UVA and W&M, being stronger in the humanities and social sciences (eg fields where grad school is often necessary and maybe more common) would have more kids going to grad school.

When there is a strong job market (ie pre-Covid19), students tend to put off graduate school after graduation. Only those immediately pursuing further education would be captured in these surveys.

A meaningful portion of those immediate seeking grad school are pre-med/health science/vet schools which may be more represented by UMD and VT. For wider range of grad programs students typically work a few years before going. There are other surveys that show in 6 years after school the likelihood of seeking graduate study and there are more your expected patterns there for UVA and W&M.

At least for medical school, that isn't it. UVA has more medical school applicants than UMD despite being significantly smaller. W&M has more medical school applicants than VT despite being much, much smaller. https://www.aamc.org/system/files/2019-11/2019_FACTS_Table_A-2.pdf

I don't think vet school is going to make that much difference.

For degrees like MBA, you typically do two years or more work experience before applying to better schools. They wouldn't show up in these first destinations reports.

For law, W&M and UVA also have a higher percentage of applicants on a per capita basis than UMD. VT doesn't show up on the list. https://www.accesslex.org/sites/default/files/2018-04/Law%20School%20Applicants%20by%20Degrees_Per%20Capita_Mar2018.pdf

Interesting. Maybe VT/U MD offers more --or have greater enrollment in -- those bachelor's accelerated master's programs where students can straight continue at the institution? That would make it more likely to be an initial destination. W&M only has a handful of grad programs since it's more of a liberal arts style school. Just curious--the actual percentage differences aren't really that meaningful likely beyond saying all of these schools seem to be doing a fairly good job placing students.

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting to see UVA has 10% more students looking for work than UMD, considering UVA is half the size you'd thinking getting jobs would be easier with less competition.

Majors may be more important. Maryland had 35% of graduates in computer science, engineering, and business for 2018-19 vs 24% for UVA.

That doesn't make sense, W&M has no engineering school and the vast majority are non-comp sci/business, larger humanities %, but it has ~15% higher employment.

W&M has fantastic, top-ranked career services.

Whats the source on this? AFAIK the top finance and tech firms do not recruit at W&M.

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The biggest thing Maryland has on Virginia is it is not putting more money per student into higher education than Virginia has, and it has been doing this for some time.

What does this sentence even mean?

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The biggest thing Maryland has on Virginia is it is not putting more money per student into higher education than Virginia has, and it has been doing this for some time.

What does this sentence even mean?

It was a typo. I meant Maryland has been putting more money per student into higher education, and has done that for quite a while.

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting to see UVA has 10% more students looking for work than UMD, considering UVA is half the size you'd thinking getting jobs would be easier with less competition.

Majors may be more important. Maryland had 35% of graduates in computer science, engineering, and business for 2018-19 vs 24% for UVA.

That doesn't make sense, W&M has no engineering school and the vast majority are non-comp sci/business, larger humanities %, but it has ~15% higher employment.

W&M has fantastic, top-ranked career services.

Whats the source on this? AFAIK the top finance and tech firms do not recruit at W&M.

https://poetsandquantsforundergrads.com/2019/08/06/colleges-with-the-best-career-services/

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UMCP is a solid school, but it's not as good as UVA or W&M overall, and for STEM you can do just as well as Virginia Tech as at Maryland.

Then, once you look beyond that tier of schools, Virginia has a whole bunch of schools (JMU, GMU, UMW, VCU, CNU, VMI) that are more desirable than the next tier of schools in Maryland (Towson, UMBC, St. Mary's) and other schools (ODU, Longwood, Norfolk State, Virginia State, Radford) that are as good as their Maryland equivalents (UMES, Salisbury, Frostburg, Bowie State, Coppin State, Morgan State).

Yes, UMD is as good as UVA. I would not live in Charlottesvile if it were free. And all the others are privates except VATech and W&M so it doesn't matter.

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UMCP is a solid school, but it's not as good as UVA or W&M overall, and for STEM you can do just as well as Virginia Tech as at Maryland.

Then, once you look beyond that tier of schools, Virginia has a whole bunch of schools (JMU, GMU, UMW, VCU, CNU, VMI) that are more desirable than the next tier of schools in Maryland (Towson, UMBC, St. Mary's) and other schools (ODU, Longwood, Norfolk State, Virginia State, Radford) that are as good as their Maryland equivalents (UMES, Salisbury, Frostburg, Bowie State, Coppin State, Morgan State).

Yes, UMD is as good as UVA. I would not live in Charlottesvile if it were free. And all the others are privates except VATech and W&M so it doesn't matter.

You do not know what you are talking about. Every other school listed is public.
JMU= James Madison University
GMU= George Mason University
UMW= University of Mary Washington
VCU= Virginia Commonwealth University
CNU= Christopher Newport University
VMI= Virginia Military Institute
These are all public schools.

I think it's reasonable to concede that while not exactly the same (different strengths, characteristics) that UMD and UVA are equally good.
The point a lot of people are making is that once you move past those two schools, Virginia has a much deeper bench of high quality options. (The part I bolded above.)

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UMCP is a solid school, but it's not as good as UVA or W&M overall, and for STEM you can do just as well as Virginia Tech as at Maryland.

Then, once you look beyond that tier of schools, Virginia has a whole bunch of schools (JMU, GMU, UMW, VCU, CNU, VMI) that are more desirable than the next tier of schools in Maryland (Towson, UMBC, St. Mary's) and other schools (ODU, Longwood, Norfolk State, Virginia State, Radford) that are as good as their Maryland equivalents (UMES, Salisbury, Frostburg, Bowie State, Coppin State, Morgan State).

Yes, UMD is as good as UVA. I would not live in Charlottesvile if it were free. And all the others are privates except VATech and W&M so it doesn't matter.

You do not know what you are talking about. Every other school listed is public.
JMU= James Madison University
GMU= George Mason University
UMW= University of Mary Washington
VCU= Virginia Commonwealth University
CNU= Christopher Newport University
VMI= Virginia Military Institute
These are all public schools.

I think it's reasonable to concede that while not exactly the same (different strengths, characteristics) that UMD and UVA are equally good.
The point a lot of people are making is that once you move past those two schools, Virginia has a much deeper bench of high quality options. (The part I bolded above.)

Except that no college ranking says they're equally good. UVA is routinely ranked higher. The ranking that is most often cited, US News and World Report, has UVA way higher, and W&M is also ranked higher.

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UMCP is a solid school, but it's not as good as UVA or W&M overall, and for STEM you can do just as well as Virginia Tech as at Maryland.

Then, once you look beyond that tier of schools, Virginia has a whole bunch of schools (JMU, GMU, UMW, VCU, CNU, VMI) that are more desirable than the next tier of schools in Maryland (Towson, UMBC, St. Mary's) and other schools (ODU, Longwood, Norfolk State, Virginia State, Radford) that are as good as their Maryland equivalents (UMES, Salisbury, Frostburg, Bowie State, Coppin State, Morgan State).

Yes, UMD is as good as UVA. I would not live in Charlottesvile if it were free. And all the others are privates except VATech and W&M so it doesn't matter.

You do not know what you are talking about. Every other school listed is public.
JMU= James Madison University
GMU= George Mason University
UMW= University of Mary Washington
VCU= Virginia Commonwealth University
CNU= Christopher Newport University
VMI= Virginia Military Institute
These are all public schools.

I think it's reasonable to concede that while not exactly the same (different strengths, characteristics) that UMD and UVA are equally good.
The point a lot of people are making is that once you move past those two schools, Virginia has a much deeper bench of high quality options. (The part I bolded above.)

Except that no college ranking says they're equally good. UVA is routinely ranked higher. The ranking that is most often cited, US News and World Report, has UVA way higher, and W&M is also ranked higher.

You are right. Every world ranking says UMD is better.

I know-Uh, uh that's not what I meant.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
UMCP is a solid school, but it's not as good as UVA or W&M overall, and for STEM you can do just as well as Virginia Tech as at Maryland.

Then, once you look beyond that tier of schools, Virginia has a whole bunch of schools (JMU, GMU, UMW, VCU, CNU, VMI) that are more desirable than the next tier of schools in Maryland (Towson, UMBC, St. Mary's) and other schools (ODU, Longwood, Norfolk State, Virginia State, Radford) that are as good as their Maryland equivalents (UMES, Salisbury, Frostburg, Bowie State, Coppin State, Morgan State).

Yes, UMD is as good as UVA. I would not live in Charlottesvile if it were free. And all the others are privates except VATech and W&M so it doesn't matter.

You do not know what you are talking about. Every other school listed is public.
JMU= James Madison University
GMU= George Mason University
UMW= University of Mary Washington
VCU= Virginia Commonwealth University
CNU= Christopher Newport University
VMI= Virginia Military Institute
These are all public schools.

I think it's reasonable to concede that while not exactly the same (different strengths, characteristics) that UMD and UVA are equally good.
The point a lot of people are making is that once you move past those two schools, Virginia has a much deeper bench of high quality options. (The part I bolded above.)

I agree that VA has some great options. I just don't agree with all the criticism of MD.
GMU= UMBC
JMU>~Towson
UMW<~SMCM
CNU>~Salisbury

The systems are not that different.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
UMCP is a solid school, but it's not as good as UVA or W&M overall, and for STEM you can do just as well as Virginia Tech as at Maryland.

Then, once you look beyond that tier of schools, Virginia has a whole bunch of schools (JMU, GMU, UMW, VCU, CNU, VMI) that are more desirable than the next tier of schools in Maryland (Towson, UMBC, St. Mary's) and other schools (ODU, Longwood, Norfolk State, Virginia State, Radford) that are as good as their Maryland equivalents (UMES, Salisbury, Frostburg, Bowie State, Coppin State, Morgan State).

Yes, UMD is as good as UVA. I would not live in Charlottesvile if it were free. And all the others are privates except VATech and W&M so it doesn't matter.

You do not know what you are talking about. Every other school listed is public.
JMU= James Madison University
GMU= George Mason University
UMW= University of Mary Washington
VCU= Virginia Commonwealth University
CNU= Christopher Newport University
VMI= Virginia Military Institute
These are all public schools.

I think it's reasonable to concede that while not exactly the same (different strengths, characteristics) that UMD and UVA are equally good.
The point a lot of people are making is that once you move past those two schools, Virginia has a much deeper bench of high quality options. (The part I bolded above.)

I agree that VA has some great options. I just don't agree with all the criticism of MD.
GMU= UMBC
JMU>~Towson
UMW<~SMCM
CNU>~Salisbury

The systems are not that different.

Except for William and Mary which is the only real edge VA has over MD

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
UMCP is a solid school, but it's not as good as UVA or W&M overall, and for STEM you can do just as well as Virginia Tech as at Maryland.

Then, once you look beyond that tier of schools, Virginia has a whole bunch of schools (JMU, GMU, UMW, VCU, CNU, VMI) that are more desirable than the next tier of schools in Maryland (Towson, UMBC, St. Mary's) and other schools (ODU, Longwood, Norfolk State, Virginia State, Radford) that are as good as their Maryland equivalents (UMES, Salisbury, Frostburg, Bowie State, Coppin State, Morgan State).

Yes, UMD is as good as UVA. I would not live in Charlottesvile if it were free. And all the others are privates except VATech and W&M so it doesn't matter.

You do not know what you are talking about. Every other school listed is public.
JMU= James Madison University
GMU= George Mason University
UMW= University of Mary Washington
VCU= Virginia Commonwealth University
CNU= Christopher Newport University
VMI= Virginia Military Institute
These are all public schools.

I think it's reasonable to concede that while not exactly the same (different strengths, characteristics) that UMD and UVA are equally good.
The point a lot of people are making is that once you move past those two schools, Virginia has a much deeper bench of high quality options. (The part I bolded above.)

I agree that VA has some great options. I just don't agree with all the criticism of MD.
GMU= UMBC
JMU>~Towson
UMW<~SMCM
CNU>~Salisbury

The systems are not that different.

Except for William and Mary which is the only real edge VA has over MD

Agree, and I don't know much about art schools, but VCU might be an advantage too.

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I understand that someone's child in this thread either went to or will go to William and Mary because the promotion of that school has been very aggressive so far. But, if it's so good for liberal arts then shouldn't it be ranked specifically for liberal arts very highly? Instead, the only reputable ranking of arts and humanities puts UMD at 150 worldwide and William and Mary at below 400 (https://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/university-subject-rankings/2019/arts-humanities)

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Anonymous wrote:I understand that someone's child in this thread either went to or will go to William and Mary because the promotion of that school has been very aggressive so far. But, if it's so good for liberal arts then shouldn't it be ranked specifically for liberal arts very highly? Instead, the only reputable ranking of arts and humanities puts UMD at 150 worldwide and William and Mary at below 400 (https://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/university-subject-rankings/2019/arts-humanities)

Hey, I don't always cite reputable rankings, but when I do, QS tops list.