Takoma Park MS Magnet - 25 inbound seats?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Could "creepy smart" equal "forced into regimented learning at a young age?" Because, I don't think your "creepy smart" kid crawled (oops, sorry, I'm sure they were walking at 6 months) over to the book shelf, pulled down a volume of Shakespeare and taught himself iambic pentameter. A parent pushed early reading. Nothing rong w/ that. My preschooler was reading too. I worked with her. But, that doesn't mean she was "creepy smart." Yes, our kids are bright and receptive, but the early reading is because we taught them early, not because they are "creepy baby genuises.

I'm not the PP that you are being rude too, However, I think that your attitude show ignorance of what truly high IQ kids are like and what they need. They aren't pushed by parents and they often are not successful in normal school environments. They can shut down or act out because they are intensely bored. They can be intense perfectionists and delve so deep into something that they have difficulty functioning.

We had a neighbor whose 5 year old was a musical prodigy. The way she played was shocking and amazing. There is no way that this level of ability had anything to do with prep. If the above poster practiced for 10 years straight, she wouldn't play as well as this kid did. However, since the child was Asian-American I'm sure that some parent out there is dismissing her ability as just prep practice.

Sorry, you are wrong. I do know what a truly high IQ looks like. My kids has one (tested by NIH). I also don't put a ton of stock in the whole IQ thing anyway (neither did the nih doc). You also have no idea about my kid's level of musical talent. You really just don't know what you're talking about. No one is trying to take away from talented or bright or gifted kids. Just recognize that a certain group puts a lot more educational investment in their kids and wants everyone else to think that means they are smarter. It ain't necessarily so.

[Anonymous]

Go take a look at the thread on the feds investigating MCPS for discriminating against Asian-American students. There is no way MCPS is going to come out ahead in this investigation. They are in trouble.

The end result will either be getting rid of the easy to get into in bound seats for white DCC student and ending the cohort criteria which will fill the magnet with mostly asian and some white kids from OUTSIDE the DCC or just ending the MS magnet school all together and offering small regional or home school accelerated options.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Go take a look at the thread on the feds investigating MCPS for discriminating against Asian-American students. There is no way MCPS is going to come out ahead in this investigation. They are in trouble.

The end result will either be getting rid of the easy to get into in bound seats for white DCC student and ending the cohort criteria which will fill the magnet with mostly asian and some white kids from OUTSIDE the DCC or just ending the MS magnet school all together and offering small regional or home school accelerated options.

There are plenty of ways - assuming a non-political investigation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Go take a look at the thread on the feds investigating MCPS for discriminating against Asian-American students. There is no way MCPS is going to come out ahead in this investigation. They are in trouble.

The end result will either be getting rid of the easy to get into in bound seats for white DCC student and ending the cohort criteria which will fill the magnet with mostly asian and some white kids from OUTSIDE the DCC or just ending the MS magnet school all together and offering small regional or home school accelerated options.

I'm going to bet all the efforts to impose test score only admissions evaluation on Magnets and Universities is going to backfire in the era of the current Supreme Court.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Go take a look at the thread on the feds investigating MCPS for discriminating against Asian-American students. There is no way MCPS is going to come out ahead in this investigation. They are in trouble.

The end result will either be getting rid of the easy to get into in bound seats for white DCC student and ending the cohort criteria which will fill the magnet with mostly asian and some white kids from OUTSIDE the DCC or just ending the MS magnet school all together and offering small regional or home school accelerated options.


I'm going to bet all the efforts to impose test score only admissions evaluation on Magnets and Universities is going to backfire in the era of the current Supreme Court.

I don't think that white affirmative action is going to find a friend on either a liberal or a conservative court. This is one of those cases that MCPS just can't win.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Go take a look at the thread on the feds investigating MCPS for discriminating against Asian-American students. There is no way MCPS is going to come out ahead in this investigation. They are in trouble.

The end result will either be getting rid of the easy to get into in bound seats for white DCC student and ending the cohort criteria which will fill the magnet with mostly asian and some white kids from OUTSIDE the DCC or just ending the MS magnet school all together and offering small regional or home school accelerated options.


I'm going to bet all the efforts to impose test score only admissions evaluation on Magnets and Universities is going to backfire in the era of the current Supreme Court.

I don't think that white affirmative action is going to find a friend on either a liberal or a conservative court. This is one of those cases that MCPS just can't win.

You have a very particular view of the case, and by that, I mean biased. There is no indication that race was a factor. Again, it's like people just want everyone to think Asian kids are smarter, and these are somehow their spots. The spots don't belong to any race. And, this has nothing to do with TP kids who are at the school already and take no out-of-boundary spots.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Go take a look at the thread on the feds investigating MCPS for discriminating against Asian-American students. There is no way MCPS is going to come out ahead in this investigation. They are in trouble.

The end result will either be getting rid of the easy to get into in bound seats for white DCC student and ending the cohort criteria which will fill the magnet with mostly asian and some white kids from OUTSIDE the DCC or just ending the MS magnet school all together and offering small regional or home school accelerated options.


I'm going to bet all the efforts to impose test score only admissions evaluation on Magnets and Universities is going to backfire in the era of the current Supreme Court.

I don't think that white affirmative action is going to find a friend on either a liberal or a conservative court. This is one of those cases that MCPS just can't win.

Well, then, it is a very good thing the new MCPS policy is race blind, then.

I would say the same thing to do that I would say to the PP who believes the TPMS in-bounds spots should be reserved for Black and Latinx kids - to do it that way would be illegal. I don't know how else to explain it except that there is settled case law that using race in admissions for this type of program is illegal, but using geography is perfectly legitimate.

[Anonymous]

You have a very particular view of the case, and by that, I mean biased. There is no indication that race was a factor. Again, it's like people just want everyone to think Asian kids are smarter, and these are somehow their spots. The spots don't belong to any race. And, this has nothing to do with TP kids who are at the school already and take no out-of-boundary spots.

The data does show that Asian American kids in MCPS score much higher than whites and other groups on every measurable point -SAT, PARCC, MAP. COGAT. Don't forget that curriculum 2.0 didn't just widen the gap between whites and AA/latinos, it widened the gap between Asian American and white kids.

The feds would not be bothering to investigate a case that has no merit. Its more than fishy that Asian American admissions went down so much in the past two years while white admissions went up when the data on every other front suggests it should the reverse. Time will tell and I'm sure that the feds will look at all the data which MCPS can not be pleased about one bit.

My money is on the outcome being that MCPS shuts down the magnet or at a minimum stops giving lower performing white kids in the DCC an easy way in.

[Anonymous]

I would say the same thing to do that I would say to the PP who believes the TPMS in-bounds spots should be reserved for Black and Latinx kids - to do it that way would be illegal. I don't know how else to explain it except that there is settled case law that using race in admissions for this type of program is illegal, but using geography is perfectly legitimate.

Whoa there is no case law that says it is legal to use geography as a proxy for race in admissions. In fact, the voter suppression cases are about exactly that principle.

What is legal is establishing additional weighting for disadvantaged students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The biggest problem with the inbound seats is that they almost all go to UMC white kids which are already a small portion of TPMS. The inbound seats should be going to far more AA and hispanic students.


30% is a small portion?

Yeah it is and often its not even that high. The numbers should be flipped or better yet the inbound seats should be reserved for URM students. UMC white kids do not need a leg up. Let them compete with everyone else but give the poor AA and hispanic kids special consideration for the challenges that they have and will face.

Yet another save on housing costs but get special level school manuever by high SES families.

It is the natural conclusion to a lifetimes “Thad needs enrichment so get him out of those classes with brown errr I mean avg test takers”. They angle so vigorously because the thought of being stuck with the local kids terrifies them. The 25 seats is a hope that classroom isolation can last all the way through high school. That is enough for many to move that far east for the discount

[Anonymous]

It is the natural conclusion to a lifetimes “Thad needs enrichment so get him out of those classes with brown errr I mean avg test takers”. They angle so vigorously because the thought of being stuck with the local kids terrifies them. The 25 seats is a hope that classroom isolation can last all the way through high school. That is enough for many to move that far east for the discount

But this makes the problem worse. By pulling out the slightly above average kids and throwing them into the in boundary magnet spots, the general ed classes at TPMS do become filled with kids that can only work at an average pace. This makes the parents even more desperate to get into the magnet because they don't want their kid left behind.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

You have a very particular view of the case, and by that, I mean biased. There is no indication that race was a factor. Again, it's like people just want everyone to think Asian kids are smarter, and these are somehow their spots. The spots don't belong to any race. And, this has nothing to do with TP kids who are at the school already and take no out-of-boundary spots.

The data does show that Asian American kids in MCPS score much higher than whites and other groups on every measurable point -SAT, PARCC, MAP. COGAT. Don't forget that curriculum 2.0 didn't just widen the gap between whites and AA/latinos, it widened the gap between Asian American and white kids.

The feds would not be bothering to investigate a case that has no merit. Its more than fishy that Asian American admissions went down so much in the past two years while white admissions went up when the data on every other front suggests it should the reverse. Time will tell and I'm sure that the feds will look at all the data which MCPS can not be pleased about one bit.

My money is on the outcome being that MCPS shuts down the magnet or at a minimum stops giving lower performing white kids in the DCC an easy way in.

If they're zoned to a school with a strong peer cohort they don't need the magnet. The enriched classes are supposedly wonderful. Your kids should check them out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

It is the natural conclusion to a lifetimes “Thad needs enrichment so get him out of those classes with brown errr I mean avg test takers”. They angle so vigorously because the thought of being stuck with the local kids terrifies them. The 25 seats is a hope that classroom isolation can last all the way through high school. That is enough for many to move that far east for the discount

But this makes the problem worse. By pulling out the slightly above average kids and throwing them into the in boundary magnet spots, the general ed classes at TPMS do become filled with kids that can only work at an average pace. This makes the parents even more desperate to get into the magnet because they don't want their kid left behind.

It's a set aside left over from the era of parent driven entrance into the Magnets. When only a relatively few parents sought the programs, the set aside was kind of a fuzzy thing. Now that all the stats are public and thousands are "considered", it's probably unsustainable - especially if as suggested on this thread the 25 are not at all representative of the overall makeup of TPMS. When no one really knew, that worked fine. Now?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

It is the natural conclusion to a lifetimes “Thad needs enrichment so get him out of those classes with brown errr I mean avg test takers”. They angle so vigorously because the thought of being stuck with the local kids terrifies them. The 25 seats is a hope that classroom isolation can last all the way through high school. That is enough for many to move that far east for the discount

But this makes the problem worse. By pulling out the slightly above average kids and throwing them into the in boundary magnet spots, the general ed classes at TPMS do become filled with kids that can only work at an average pace. This makes the parents even more desperate to get into the magnet because they don't want their kid left behind.

This is completely untrue. First, kids are tiered outside the magnet (honors / non-honors), so the school bifurcates there. Magnet kids only take three classes that are different from the general Population (math, comp sci, science) for everything else the classes are all mixed with the non magnet honors kids. For non-magnet kids needing more challenge, there is a highly accelerated math program with dedicated teachers, that isn’t quite the track of magnet kids, but it is close and sets non-magnet kids up fine for HS magnet or accelerated HS math. For what it is worth, the in-bound kids aren’t slightly above average, they fit right in, otherwise there really is no benefit to them to struggle (and I don’t know anyone who does).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

You have a very particular view of the case, and by that, I mean biased. There is no indication that race was a factor. Again, it's like people just want everyone to think Asian kids are smarter, and these are somehow their spots. The spots don't belong to any race. And, this has nothing to do with TP kids who are at the school already and take no out-of-boundary spots.

The data does show that Asian American kids in MCPS score much higher than whites and other groups on every measurable point -SAT, PARCC, MAP. COGAT. Don't forget that curriculum 2.0 didn't just widen the gap between whites and AA/latinos, it widened the gap between Asian American and white kids.

The feds would not be bothering to investigate a case that has no merit. Its more than fishy that Asian American admissions went down so much in the past two years while white admissions went up when the data on every other front suggests it should the reverse. Time will tell and I'm sure that the feds will look at all the data which MCPS can not be pleased about one bit.

My money is on the outcome being that MCPS shuts down the magnet or at a minimum stops giving lower performing white kids in the DCC an easy way in.

You don't say.