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03/30/2019 22:14

Subject: Re:Rate these Fake News Stories: Russian Collusion, Covington High School Kids, Jussie Smollett Attack

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First statement:

The only presidential campaign to pay for Russian dirt was Hillary’s campaign. Let’s just be honest here.

We now have actual facts.

2nd statement:

Except for the actual fact that Fusion GPS was hired to get dirt by the GOP first, before Hillary.

So, let me explain to you.......

The first poster's whole point was that it was Hillary's campaign that actually paid Russians for dirt.
You, presumably, then responded that the GOP hired Fusion GPS first. (statement in bold above)

Your statement doesn't really address the 1st poster's point. It doesn't matter if a GOP person hired Fusion GPS. THE POINT IS THAT THE CLINTON CAMPAIGN IS THE ONE WHO ACTUALLY PAID THE RUSSIANS. It was THEN that Christopher Steele came on board and the Russians got involved. I guess you might call that "collusion."

The first poster's statement is accurate and you and your retorts have only muddied the waters. That was likely your intent all along.

Sorry but there is a lot more to this and it all needs responding to - your side is the one trying to muddy waters, by

It is an accurate statement to say that most national campaigns conduct opposition research, not just Hillary, so first let's stop pretending there was anything evil or unusual about that
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It is an accurate statement to say that Republicans started the anti-Trump opposition research with Fusion GPS, so let's stop pretending that isn't the case or that it somehow isn't relevant.

It is an accurate statement to say that Russian collusion is not the only thing that matters, dirt is dirt.

It is NOT an accurate statement to say "Hillary paid Russians" and rest there as if it had significance, because that is a deceptive statement without going into nuances. Did Steele work directly with Putin's henchmen in Russia, or did he work with his prior network of MI6 moles, did he work with Russian anti-Putin intelligence assets in Russia. HUGE difference, and as much as you'd like to try and flip the narrative to claim that Hillary was the colluder (as has been done in many conservative circles) that doesn't pass muster. Merely talking to a Russian does not mean you are colluding with Putin - as your own side has said many times in defense of Trump.

I'm not at all the one muddying waters here. I'm the one picking at the important nuances here that you want to just schlop over with muddy water.

The truth is that we have no idea who Steele worked with to get his information. No idea.
The bottom line is that the Hillary campaign accused Trump of doing exactly what she was doing all along.... working with a foreign national (Steele) to get information from foreign sources (Russians, presumably).

That's not exactly correct, either. The Clinton campaign worked with Perkins Coie. Perkins Coie hired Fusion GPS. Fusion GPS farmed the work out to Steele. And, that said, there's a much different level of trust and intelligence sharing where it comes to the US and the UK versus the US and Russians who we know are hostile to us. As for who Steele worked with, we don't even know that he worked directly with any Russians. He could have gotten intel solely via his UK MI6 connections.