Why do some care about rules about gay people but ignore rule about shrimp, rape, and stoning women?

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Anonymous wrote:So is there one heaven for Christians and a different one for Jews, and Muslims and Hindus? Isn't it bigotry to say there is only one way to heaven and it's through our guy and the rest of you are out of luck? I think that's what the Pope was addressing.


I don’t think bigotry means what you think it means. Are Muslims bigoted because they don’t believe Christians go to Heaven?



Really? Definition of bigotry
1 : obstinate or intolerant devotion to one's own opinions and prejudices :


^ I think this is what you are with your communion with Jesus dogma, but the Pope, to his credit, was trying to disavow that viewpoint.


It’s not my opinion, it’s Christian dogma, and the pope was only trying to put a gentler spin on it, but he didn’t really say salvation is for non-Christians. I don’t really have an opinion on you or where you end up.

I’m sorry that’s so upsetting to you. I would consider why you feel so strongly about the belief system of a religion you don’t believe in. I’ll ask again- are you also upset that you are not going to heaven under Islam? Are Muslims also bigoted?


I have no opinion on that, but the Muslims believe they can go to heaven and I think the Pope does as well.



No, Muslims do not believe that non-Muslims go to heaven. There is actually a lot of offensive rhetoric in Muslim countries about infidels. Muslims also call the Muslim community around the world the “ummah”-isn’t that bigotry under your definition? Isn’t it bigoted that the Muslim community specifically excludes non Muslims from their community? Isn’t it bigoted that in Muslim countries non Muslims often have to follow a different set of civil laws, and in some cases are excluded from public office and the presidency? Aren’t Muslims bigoted under your definition?

How about Jewish people referring to themselves as “chosen?” Yowza, that sounds super bigoted to me.


O.k., they're all bigoted to some degree then I guess, but none is more right than the others about getting into heaven.
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Anonymous wrote:So is there one heaven for Christians and a different one for Jews, and Muslims and Hindus? Isn't it bigotry to say there is only one way to heaven and it's through our guy and the rest of you are out of luck? I think that's what the Pope was addressing.


I don’t think bigotry means what you think it means. Are Muslims bigoted because they don’t believe Christians go to Heaven?



Really? Definition of bigotry
1 : obstinate or intolerant devotion to one's own opinions and prejudices :


^ I think this is what you are with your communion with Jesus dogma, but the Pope, to his credit, was trying to disavow that viewpoint.


It’s not my opinion, it’s Christian dogma, and the pope was only trying to put a gentler spin on it, but he didn’t really say salvation is for non-Christians. I don’t really have an opinion on you or where you end up.

I’m sorry that’s so upsetting to you. I would consider why you feel so strongly about the belief system of a religion you don’t believe in. I’ll ask again- are you also upset that you are not going to heaven under Islam? Are Muslims also bigoted?


I have no opinion on that, but the Muslims believe they can go to heaven and I think the Pope does as well.



No, Muslims do not believe that non-Muslims go to heaven. There is actually a lot of offensive rhetoric in Muslim countries about infidels. Muslims also call the Muslim community around the world the “ummah”-isn’t that bigotry under your definition? Isn’t it bigoted that the Muslim community specifically excludes non Muslims from their community? Isn’t it bigoted that in Muslim countries non Muslims often have to follow a different set of civil laws, and in some cases are excluded from public office and the presidency? Aren’t Muslims bigoted under your definition?

How about Jewish people referring to themselves as “chosen?” Yowza, that sounds super bigoted to me.


O.k., they're all bigoted to some degree then I guess, but none is more right than the others about getting into heaven.


Why would a Christian believe that or care about your assertion at all? You are trying to dilute the entire point of Christianity in order to serve your own entitlement issues.

And why are you so upset about Christianity but not having a panic attack on the others? Islam is the world’s fastest growing religion, and its believers tend to be much more devout than Christians. I’ll tell you what, my mother in law had a good friend and neighbor who is Muslim, and when MIL died this lady was VERY upset that her friend was doomed to hellfire. It was simultaneously touching and offensive. But it wasn’t bigoted because words mean things. Or your definition of bigoted is so broad that it is virtually meaningless, I guess.
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Anonymous wrote:So is there one heaven for Christians and a different one for Jews, and Muslims and Hindus? Isn't it bigotry to say there is only one way to heaven and it's through our guy and the rest of you are out of luck? I think that's what the Pope was addressing.


I don’t think bigotry means what you think it means. Are Muslims bigoted because they don’t believe Christians go to Heaven?



Really? Definition of bigotry
1 : obstinate or intolerant devotion to one's own opinions and prejudices :


^ I think this is what you are with your communion with Jesus dogma, but the Pope, to his credit, was trying to disavow that viewpoint.


It’s not my opinion, it’s Christian dogma, and the pope was only trying to put a gentler spin on it, but he didn’t really say salvation is for non-Christians. I don’t really have an opinion on you or where you end up.

I’m sorry that’s so upsetting to you. I would consider why you feel so strongly about the belief system of a religion you don’t believe in. I’ll ask again- are you also upset that you are not going to heaven under Islam? Are Muslims also bigoted?


I have no opinion on that, but the Muslims believe they can go to heaven and I think the Pope does as well.



No, Muslims do not believe that non-Muslims go to heaven. There is actually a lot of offensive rhetoric in Muslim countries about infidels. Muslims also call the Muslim community around the world the “ummah”-isn’t that bigotry under your definition? Isn’t it bigoted that the Muslim community specifically excludes non Muslims from their community? Isn’t it bigoted that in Muslim countries non Muslims often have to follow a different set of civil laws, and in some cases are excluded from public office and the presidency? Aren’t Muslims bigoted under your definition?

How about Jewish people referring to themselves as “chosen?” Yowza, that sounds super bigoted to me.


O.k., they're all bigoted to some degree then I guess, but none is more right than the others about getting into heaven.


Why would a Christian believe that or care about your assertion at all? You are trying to dilute the entire point of Christianity in order to serve your own entitlement issues.

And why are you so upset about Christianity but not having a panic attack on the others? Islam is the world’s fastest growing religion, and its believers tend to be much more devout than Christians. I’ll tell you what, my mother in law had a good friend and neighbor who is Muslim, and when MIL died this lady was VERY upset that her friend was doomed to hellfire. It was simultaneously touching and offensive. But it wasn’t bigoted because words mean things. Or your definition of bigoted is so broad that it is virtually meaningless, I guess.


Your anecdote does, however, bring up the question of why people believe in any religion that tells most of humanity it is doomed to hellfire (or at least limbo) because they don't believe a certain thing. Even children born into the "wrong" faith who die before they can make their own decision of what they want to believe, yes those poor babies and children are condemned to a terrible eternity because they didn't know about and get to choose to accept the one true religion that could have given them a happy eternity. Or what about someone born with severe mental disability who has no way of knowing about or choosing faith? Those people too apparently don't get to go to heaven if they aren't true believers (which they can't be because they don't have the mental faculty to be so, but hey too bad, so sad).

It's a sick way to think about a deity. Or an immature one.
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The answer to OP's original question is simple:

Religious people set aside Biblical laws about not eating shellfish or wearing certain fabrics because those laws affect THEM.

They hold onto all the proscriptions -- such as having gay sex -- that apply to OTHERS.

It's a lot easier to decide the only laws that matter are the ones that don't inhibit your life.
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Anonymous wrote:The answer to OP's original question is simple:

Religious people set aside Biblical laws about not eating shellfish or wearing certain fabrics because those laws affect THEM.

They hold onto all the proscriptions -- such as having gay sex -- that apply to OTHERS.

It's a lot easier to decide the only laws that matter are the ones that don't inhibit your life.


No no no no no no no. Have you not looked through this thread? I don’t know how many times I’m gonna have to explain this.

CHRISTIANS ARE BOUND BY NEW TESTAMENT LAW.

CHRISTIANS ARE NOT BOUND BY OLD TESTAMENT LAW. WHY? BECAUSE JESUS CAME AND “FULFILLED THE LAW”

THE SHRIMP, RAPE, AND STONING LAWS ARE ONLY IN THE OLD TESTAMENT, MEANING WE DONT FOLLOW THEM ANYMORE.

HOMOSEXUALITY IS CONDEMMNED IN THE NEW TESTAMENT, WHICH IS THE LAW WE NOW FOLLOW.

If you still have questions, just Google “Why don’t christians follow Old Testament law?” There is a process to how Christians obey certain laws, it’s not randomly picking and choosing

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Anonymous wrote:The answer to OP's original question is simple:

Religious people set aside Biblical laws about not eating shellfish or wearing certain fabrics because those laws affect THEM.

They hold onto all the proscriptions -- such as having gay sex -- that apply to OTHERS.

It's a lot easier to decide the only laws that matter are the ones that don't inhibit your life.


No no no no no no no. Have you not looked through this thread? I don’t know how many times I’m gonna have to explain this.

CHRISTIANS ARE BOUND BY NEW TESTAMENT LAW.

CHRISTIANS ARE NOT BOUND BY OLD TESTAMENT LAW. WHY? BECAUSE JESUS CAME AND “FULFILLED THE LAW”

THE SHRIMP, RAPE, AND STONING LAWS ARE ONLY IN THE OLD TESTAMENT, MEANING WE DONT FOLLOW THEM ANYMORE.

HOMOSEXUALITY IS CONDEMMNED IN THE NEW TESTAMENT, WHICH IS THE LAW WE NOW FOLLOW.

If you still have questions, just Google “Why don’t christians follow Old Testament law?” There is a process to how Christians obey certain laws, it’s not randomly picking and choosing



Who picked and chose what texts got accepted as scripture and which were rejected?
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Anonymous wrote:Christians are bound by NEW TESTAMENT LAW, not OLD TESTAMENT.

Shellfish, stoning, and shrimp laws are OT laws.

Homosexuality is NT law.

Jesus also said “he who is without sin cast the first stone” to people who wanted to stone an adulteress.

We follow the Law of Christ. That’s why we don’t follow all laws in the Bible anymore. It’s not picking and choosing though, it’s based on which law we are bound to.


How do you feel about Luke 14:25-27?
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Yeah I'll take the actual bible over the pope any day.


Except the problem is, if you're Catholic, the Pope's word is supposed to be infallible, so you can't exactly dismiss what he has to say.


Papal infallibility is a Catholic construct that only kicks in he speaks ex cathedra about matters of faith and doctrine.

The doctrine of papal infallibility was "solemnly defined" via Vatican I on 18 July 1870. There has been one explicit ex cathedra decree since then, when Pius XII defined the Assumption of Mary as an article of faith in 1950.

Before the solemn definition of 1870, there were a limited number of ex cathedra decrees, such as the bull Unam Sanctam of 1302 (Boniface VIII) and the papal constitution Ineffabilis Deus of 1854 (Pius IX).

Tldr; not everything the pope says is taken to be infallible as Catholics. That only happens in extraordinary and specific circumstances.
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Anonymous wrote:The answer to OP's original question is simple:

Religious people set aside Biblical laws about not eating shellfish or wearing certain fabrics because those laws affect THEM.

They hold onto all the proscriptions -- such as having gay sex -- that apply to OTHERS.

It's a lot easier to decide the only laws that matter are the ones that don't inhibit your life.


No no no no no no no. Have you not looked through this thread? I don’t know how many times I’m gonna have to explain this.

CHRISTIANS ARE BOUND BY NEW TESTAMENT LAW.

CHRISTIANS ARE NOT BOUND BY OLD TESTAMENT LAW. WHY? BECAUSE JESUS CAME AND “FULFILLED THE LAW”

THE SHRIMP, RAPE, AND STONING LAWS ARE ONLY IN THE OLD TESTAMENT, MEANING WE DONT FOLLOW THEM ANYMORE.

HOMOSEXUALITY IS CONDEMMNED IN THE NEW TESTAMENT, WHICH IS THE LAW WE NOW FOLLOW.

If you still have questions, just Google “Why don’t christians follow Old Testament law?” There is a process to how Christians obey certain laws, it’s not randomly picking and choosing



Do you follow all of NT law, or do you decide to interpret some of the reported sayings of Jesus literally, and others just figuratively?
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Anonymous wrote:The answer to OP's original question is simple:

Religious people set aside Biblical laws about not eating shellfish or wearing certain fabrics because those laws affect THEM.

They hold onto all the proscriptions -- such as having gay sex -- that apply to OTHERS.

It's a lot easier to decide the only laws that matter are the ones that don't inhibit your life.


No no no no no no no. Have you not looked through this thread? I don’t know how many times I’m gonna have to explain this.

CHRISTIANS ARE BOUND BY NEW TESTAMENT LAW.

CHRISTIANS ARE NOT BOUND BY OLD TESTAMENT LAW. WHY? BECAUSE JESUS CAME AND “FULFILLED THE LAW”

THE SHRIMP, RAPE, AND STONING LAWS ARE ONLY IN THE OLD TESTAMENT, MEANING WE DONT FOLLOW THEM ANYMORE.

HOMOSEXUALITY IS CONDEMMNED IN THE NEW TESTAMENT, WHICH IS THE LAW WE NOW FOLLOW.

If you still have questions, just Google “Why don’t christians follow Old Testament law?” There is a process to how Christians obey certain laws, it’s not randomly picking and choosing



Do you follow all of NT law, or do you decide to interpret some of the reported sayings of Jesus literally, and others just figuratively?


It depends on the context. You can’t universally decide that all sayings are literal or figurative. Are there any specific examples that you’re thinking of?
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Anonymous wrote:Christians are bound by NEW TESTAMENT LAW, not OLD TESTAMENT.

Shellfish, stoning, and shrimp laws are OT laws.

Homosexuality is NT law.

Jesus also said “he who is without sin cast the first stone” to people who wanted to stone an adulteress.

We follow the Law of Christ. That’s why we don’t follow all laws in the Bible anymore. It’s not picking and choosing though, it’s based on which law we are bound to.


How do you feel about Luke 14:25-27?


So In Luke 14:25, large crowds were travelling with Jesus because they had seen him healing people, feeding people and teaching people at no cost. Why not follow Jesus? You can get something for nothing. However, in this passage we see Jesus telling them that following him is not without cost - you have to place him before other important people in your lives. You even have to place him before yourselves.

To get his point across he uses very emotive and challenging language - you must hate everyone else. In so doing he is not saying that you do it literally but you must be prepared to put everything else second.

Jesus’ statement is emphasizing what must be the top priority if you are to follow him.
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Anonymous wrote:Christians are bound by NEW TESTAMENT LAW, not OLD TESTAMENT.

Shellfish, stoning, and shrimp laws are OT laws.

Homosexuality is NT law.

Jesus also said “he who is without sin cast the first stone” to people who wanted to stone an adulteress.

We follow the Law of Christ. That’s why we don’t follow all laws in the Bible anymore. It’s not picking and choosing though, it’s based on which law we are bound to.


How do you feel about Luke 14:25-27?


So In Luke 14:25, large crowds were travelling with Jesus because they had seen him healing people, feeding people and teaching people at no cost. Why not follow Jesus? You can get something for nothing. However, in this passage we see Jesus telling them that following him is not without cost - you have to place him before other important people in your lives. You even have to place him before yourselves.

To get his point across he uses very emotive and challenging language - you must hate everyone else. In so doing he is not saying that you do it literally but you must be prepared to put everything else second.

Jesus’ statement is emphasizing what must be the top priority if you are to follow him.


He also advises the wealthy to give up their wealth and belongings to follow him and to ensure their entrance into heaven. That’s one of his commands that most followers don’t seem to follow.
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Anonymous wrote:Christians are bound by NEW TESTAMENT LAW, not OLD TESTAMENT.

Shellfish, stoning, and shrimp laws are OT laws.

Homosexuality is NT law.

Jesus also said “he who is without sin cast the first stone” to people who wanted to stone an adulteress.

We follow the Law of Christ. That’s why we don’t follow all laws in the Bible anymore. It’s not picking and choosing though, it’s based on which law we are bound to.


How do you feel about Luke 14:25-27?


So In Luke 14:25, large crowds were travelling with Jesus because they had seen him healing people, feeding people and teaching people at no cost. Why not follow Jesus? You can get something for nothing. However, in this passage we see Jesus telling them that following him is not without cost - you have to place him before other important people in your lives. You even have to place him before yourselves.

To get his point across he uses very emotive and challenging language - you must hate everyone else. In so doing he is not saying that you do it literally but you must be prepared to put everything else second.

Jesus’ statement is emphasizing what must be the top priority if you are to follow him.


He also advises the wealthy to give up their wealth and belongings to follow him and to ensure their entrance into heaven. That’s one of his commands that most followers don’t seem to follow.


you know how hard it is for a wealthy person to get into heaven, like nearly impossible according to Jesus. This is just routinely ignored by most people. I tend to agree with the Chinese saying "to get rich is glorious."
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Anonymous wrote:Christians are bound by NEW TESTAMENT LAW, not OLD TESTAMENT.

Shellfish, stoning, and shrimp laws are OT laws.

Homosexuality is NT law.

Jesus also said “he who is without sin cast the first stone” to people who wanted to stone an adulteress.

We follow the Law of Christ. That’s why we don’t follow all laws in the Bible anymore. It’s not picking and choosing though, it’s based on which law we are bound to.


How do you feel about Luke 14:25-27?


So In Luke 14:25, large crowds were travelling with Jesus because they had seen him healing people, feeding people and teaching people at no cost. Why not follow Jesus? You can get something for nothing. However, in this passage we see Jesus telling them that following him is not without cost - you have to place him before other important people in your lives. You even have to place him before yourselves.

To get his point across he uses very emotive and challenging language - you must hate everyone else. In so doing he is not saying that you do it literally but you must be prepared to put everything else second.

Jesus’ statement is emphasizing what must be the top priority if you are to follow him.


He also advises the wealthy to give up their wealth and belongings to follow him and to ensure their entrance into heaven. That’s one of his commands that most followers don’t seem to follow.


Yeah he is saying that our salvation is worth more than any earthly wealth, so we should be willing to give it all up in an instant. Unlike modern day proesperity preachers.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Christians are bound by NEW TESTAMENT LAW, not OLD TESTAMENT.

Shellfish, stoning, and shrimp laws are OT laws.

Homosexuality is NT law.

Jesus also said “he who is without sin cast the first stone” to people who wanted to stone an adulteress.

We follow the Law of Christ. That’s why we don’t follow all laws in the Bible anymore. It’s not picking and choosing though, it’s based on which law we are bound to.


How do you feel about Luke 14:25-27?


So In Luke 14:25, large crowds were travelling with Jesus because they had seen him healing people, feeding people and teaching people at no cost. Why not follow Jesus? You can get something for nothing. However, in this passage we see Jesus telling them that following him is not without cost - you have to place him before other important people in your lives. You even have to place him before yourselves.

To get his point across he uses very emotive and challenging language - you must hate everyone else. In so doing he is not saying that you do it literally but you must be prepared to put everything else second.

Jesus’ statement is emphasizing what must be the top priority if you are to follow him.


He also advises the wealthy to give up their wealth and belongings to follow him and to ensure their entrance into heaven. That’s one of his commands that most followers don’t seem to follow.


Yeah he is saying that our salvation is worth more than any earthly wealth, so we should be willing to give it all up in an instant. Unlike modern day proesperity preachers.


"Salvation" from what?
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