MCPS BOE petition re: making student demographics the primary factor in redistricting decisions

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Good luck telling an Asian Tiger Mom who just bought a two million dollar home in Walt Whitman HS that her kids has to go to school in the ghetto.

? Whitman has very few Asians. Try again with the racism.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Good luck telling an Asian Tiger Mom who just bought a two million dollar home in Walt Whitman HS that her kids has to go to school in the ghetto.

Well, if she just bought a two-million dollar home, she can afford to send her children to private.

So true!!
And since it is an Asian Tiger Mom (ATM), you can bet she paid in cash!! They live very frugally and do not extend themselves financially, so that their future generations can have a better life than them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good luck telling an Asian Tiger Mom who just bought a two million dollar home in Walt Whitman HS that her kids has to go to school in the ghetto.

Well, if she just bought a two-million dollar home, she can afford to send her children to private.

So true!!
And since it is an Asian Tiger Mom (ATM), you can bet she paid in cash!! They live very frugally and do not extend themselves financially, so that their future generations can have a better life than them.

Please stop. This is WHITMAN not WOOTTON.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good luck telling an Asian Tiger Mom who just bought a two million dollar home in Walt Whitman HS that her kids has to go to school in the ghetto.

Well, if she just bought a two-million dollar home, she can afford to send her children to private.

So true!!
And since it is an Asian Tiger Mom (ATM), you can bet she paid in cash!! They live very frugally and do not extend themselves financially, so that their future generations can have a better life than them.

what's up with your hate on Asian moms? Such a chip on your shoulder, and your jealousy is oozing from the screen.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

No, there are no exemptions, least of all for Whiteman. This has been a serious concern in the County - they want to end segregated schools. My bet is that 10 years from now, all the West side high schoolswill look like Wilson.

"Look like Wilson", how? And what do you think will change between now and then to make that happen?

Right, the whole question is how they will diversify Whitman. Extensive busing could accomplish this. Or you could draw substantially gerrymandered school boundaries. But each of these have significant downsides.

But how else will can you diversify given that the areas in and around Whitman are all fairly wealthy. Most other schools are at least near lower income areas so that smaller adjustments to the boundaries -- that still largely keep boundaries contiguous and geographically rationale -- could increase diversity.

Unless there is some other solution, it seems like you are going to have to take a more radical approach to diversifying Whitman since tinkering around the edges won't work, or Whitman is likely to remain a fairly segregated school, economically and racially. More radical approaches are much easier to criticize and fight against, however.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Good luck telling an Asian Tiger Mom who just bought a two million dollar home in Walt Whitman HS that her kids has to go to school in the ghetto.

coolio, all the MoCo real estate can tank to the lower common denominator AND all the HS's can tank to the lowest quartile of student performance. success! Just like the Los Angeles Public schools, cannibalized themselves in less than 12 years from top district to bottom district.

Really? Never heard this. Will try to google for info.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

No, there are no exemptions, least of all for Whiteman. This has been a serious concern in the County - they want to end segregated schools. My bet is that 10 years from now, all the West side high schoolswill look like Wilson.

"Look like Wilson", how? And what do you think will change between now and then to make that happen?

Right, the whole question is how they will diversify Whitman. Extensive busing could accomplish this. Or you could draw substantially gerrymandered school boundaries. But each of these have significant downsides.

But how else will can you diversify given that the areas in and around Whitman are all fairly wealthy. Most other schools are at least near lower income areas so that smaller adjustments to the boundaries -- that still largely keep boundaries contiguous and geographically rationale -- could increase diversity.

Unless there is some other solution, it seems like you are going to have to take a more radical approach to diversifying Whitman since tinkering around the edges won't work, or Whitman is likely to remain a fairly segregated school, economically and racially. More radical approaches are much easier to criticize and fight against, however.

One way to try would be to set-up some some bus pick-up points in the DCC and offer families the opportunity to choose to be bused to Whitman. Run it like a lottery similar to the MSMC which includes language about not decreasing the SES diversity of either the sending or receiving school. Making people do something via a boundary change would always be unpopular with someone. But letting people choose to be bused is different.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good luck telling an Asian Tiger Mom who just bought a two million dollar home in Walt Whitman HS that her kids has to go to school in the ghetto.

coolio, all the MoCo real estate can tank to the lower common denominator AND all the HS's can tank to the lowest quartile of student performance. success! Just like the Los Angeles Public schools, cannibalized themselves in less than 12 years from top district to bottom district.

It's interesting how often, on the Maryland Public Schools forum, we end up talking about property values - as though this were the real estate forum. I don't think that Montgomery County Public Schools should make policy decisions based on their perceived effect on people's property values.

Also, is real estate now cheap in Los Angeles? I guess I haven't been paying attention.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

No, there are no exemptions, least of all for Whiteman. This has been a serious concern in the County - they want to end segregated schools. My bet is that 10 years from now, all the West side high schoolswill look like Wilson.

"Look like Wilson", how? And what do you think will change between now and then to make that happen?

Right, the whole question is how they will diversify Whitman. Extensive busing could accomplish this. Or you could draw substantially gerrymandered school boundaries. But each of these have significant downsides.

But how else will can you diversify given that the areas in and around Whitman are all fairly wealthy. Most other schools are at least near lower income areas so that smaller adjustments to the boundaries -- that still largely keep boundaries contiguous and geographically rationale -- could increase diversity.

Unless there is some other solution, it seems like you are going to have to take a more radical approach to diversifying Whitman since tinkering around the edges won't work, or Whitman is likely to remain a fairly segregated school, economically and racially. More radical approaches are much easier to criticize and fight against, however.

One way to try would be to set-up some some bus pick-up points in the DCC and offer families the opportunity to choose to be bused to Whitman. Run it like a lottery similar to the MSMC which includes language about not decreasing the SES diversity of either the sending or receiving school. Making people do something via a boundary change would always be unpopular with someone. But letting people choose to be bused is different.

And to free up space at Whitman, who do you kick out? Wood acres? Bradley hills?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

No, there are no exemptions, least of all for Whiteman. This has been a serious concern in the County - they want to end segregated schools. My bet is that 10 years from now, all the West side high schoolswill look like Wilson.

"Look like Wilson", how? And what do you think will change between now and then to make that happen?

Right, the whole question is how they will diversify Whitman. Extensive busing could accomplish this. Or you could draw substantially gerrymandered school boundaries. But each of these have significant downsides.

But how else will can you diversify given that the areas in and around Whitman are all fairly wealthy. Most other schools are at least near lower income areas so that smaller adjustments to the boundaries -- that still largely keep boundaries contiguous and geographically rationale -- could increase diversity.

Unless there is some other solution, it seems like you are going to have to take a more radical approach to diversifying Whitman since tinkering around the edges won't work, or Whitman is likely to remain a fairly segregated school, economically and racially. More radical approaches are much easier to criticize and fight against, however.

They need to build affordable housing in the west part of the county. Subsidized garden style apartments. That will diversify the schools. No need to bus.

[Anonymous]

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They need to build affordable housing in the west part of the county. Subsidized garden style apartments. That will diversify the schools. No need to bus.

"They", who? And where? There is a requirement that, for developments of 20 units or more, 15% of new units be Moderately Priced Dwelling Units (MPDUs), if the development is in county planning areas where greater than 45 percent of census tracts have a median household income that is 150 percent or higher than median household income of the county as a whole. (In the rest of the county, the requirement is 12.5%.) But obviously that only takes effect where there is construction of new units. Besides Westbard, where in the areas zoned for Whitman are there planned developments of 20 units or more? In addition, people who are eligible for MPDUs may well have household incomes that are too high to be eligible for Free and Reduced Meals (FARMs).

Removing some of the barriers for adding accessory apartments might help, but again, it wouldn't be a lot of units.

[Anonymous]

No free land folks, a tale as old as time. But at least we live in a. Country where they’re are land rights and you can buy at market. That is why my ancestors left their homelandsz

[Anonymous]

$billion chapter 220 program in Milwaukee did not produce results when bussing inner city kids to the burbs. And also did it compete w vastly overcrowded schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good luck telling an Asian Tiger Mom who just bought a two million dollar home in Walt Whitman HS that her kids has to go to school in the ghetto.

coolio, all the MoCo real estate can tank to the lower common denominator AND all the HS's can tank to the lowest quartile of student performance. success! Just like the Los Angeles Public schools, cannibalized themselves in less than 12 years from top district to bottom district.

It's interesting how often, on the Maryland Public Schools forum, we end up talking about property values - as though this were the real estate forum. I don't think that Montgomery County Public Schools should make policy decisions based on their perceived effect on people's property values.

Also, is real estate now cheap in Los Angeles? I guess I haven't been paying attention.

You mean how MOCo deliberately put immersion and magnet programs in the hinterlands and gentrification hopefully places in order to increase home values there? It worked. Better quality people moved in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good luck telling an Asian Tiger Mom who just bought a two million dollar home in Walt Whitman HS that her kids has to go to school in the ghetto.

coolio, all the MoCo real estate can tank to the lower common denominator AND all the HS's can tank to the lowest quartile of student performance. success! Just like the Los Angeles Public schools, cannibalized themselves in less than 12 years from top district to bottom district.

It's interesting how often, on the Maryland Public Schools forum, we end up talking about property values - as though this were the real estate forum. I don't think that Montgomery County Public Schools should make policy decisions based on their perceived effect on people's property values.

Also, is real estate now cheap in Los Angeles? I guess I haven't been paying attention.

You mean how MOCo deliberately put immersion and magnet programs in the hinterlands and gentrification hopefully places in order to increase home values there? It worked. Better quality people moved in.

What leads you to believe that MCPS did this to increase property values?

(Entirely aside from the idea that people who have more money are "better quality people".)