Girls ECNL Season - 2018-19 Season

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Anonymous wrote:Nope --- club choice. They decided they were going to run one team for each ECNL age group. They found they needed some cash so they "manufactured" a couple teams to fill in the gaps. Beyond the younger age groups, the girls side doesn't want to develop anyway....they just want to win games.

They seem to be winning a lot of games and I doubt they would be doing so if the players were not getting better. A stupid statement, my daughters play for Loudoun and every BRYC team I saw played good soccer. Winning is part of playing in a national league. If they are developing younger players like you said what is wrong with playing to win and playing good soccer while they do that?

Let's all play to lose

The point was the players they are using are already developed some place else, and there's some incremental improvement.
If you're happy with your kid sitting on the bench as No 18 and not playing or getting developed as long as the team wins, then good for you.

If winning at youth soccer helps you live your best life, congrats...

If you are 18 on an ECNL Roster at any club I wouldn't expect to play much at all?

[Anonymous]

It's crazy that some parents think winning is not important 16+.... College coaches are not going to sit and watch a team that can't win a game. I would look at the amount of coaches that watch McLean and BRYC at 16-17-19 in Greer and Sanford and compare it to what shows up for Loudoun and VDA matches. There is absolutely no reason teams 16+ should not be going on the field to win games. If you are being told other wise run... fast.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nope --- club choice. They decided they were going to run one team for each ECNL age group. They found they needed some cash so they "manufactured" a couple teams to fill in the gaps. Beyond the younger age groups, the girls side doesn't want to develop anyway....they just want to win games.

They seem to be winning a lot of games and I doubt they would be doing so if the players were not getting better. A stupid statement, my daughters play for Loudoun and every BRYC team I saw played good soccer. Winning is part of playing in a national league. If they are developing younger players like you said what is wrong with playing to win and playing good soccer while they do that?

Let's all play to lose

The point was the players they are using are already developed some place else, and there's some incremental improvement.
If you're happy with your kid sitting on the bench as No 18 and not playing or getting developed as long as the team wins, then good for you.

If winning at youth soccer helps you live your best life, congrats...[/quote



If you are 18 on an ECNL Roster at any club I wouldn't expect to play much at all?

Totally agree, 15-18 on the roster usually are not at the level of the rest of the team. They should get minutes at showcases and scrimmages. That is the nature of competitive soccer

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's crazy that some parents think winning is not important 16+.... College coaches are not going to sit and watch a team that can't win a game. I would look at the amount of coaches that watch McLean and BRYC at 16-17-19 in Greer and Sanford and compare it to what shows up for Loudoun and VDA matches. There is absolutely no reason teams 16+ should not be going on the field to win games. If you are being told other wise run... fast.

This is completely wrong. Coaches recruit players not teams.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's crazy that some parents think winning is not important 16+.... College coaches are not going to sit and watch a team that can't win a game. I would look at the amount of coaches that watch McLean and BRYC at 16-17-19 in Greer and Sanford and compare it to what shows up for Loudoun and VDA matches. There is absolutely no reason teams 16+ should not be going on the field to win games. If you are being told other wise run... fast.

This is completely wrong. Coaches recruit players not teams.

The coaches do not show up to watch kids based on what club badge the kid has on the jersey. They either scout a specific kid or pick a team that is high in standings to look for talented players.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's crazy that some parents think winning is not important 16+.... College coaches are not going to sit and watch a team that can't win a game. I would look at the amount of coaches that watch McLean and BRYC at 16-17-19 in Greer and Sanford and compare it to what shows up for Loudoun and VDA matches. There is absolutely no reason teams 16+ should not be going on the field to win games. If you are being told other wise run... fast.

This is completely wrong. Coaches recruit players not teams.

So are you saying the same amount of coaches will be at VDA 17s as McLean 17s or BRYC 16s and VDA 16s..... there will be double.... don't take my word for it, we will see soon enough. My kids have played in ECNL for years. If there is one kid on VDA that is top quality but there are 8 at BRYC, you can bet your last dollar that's where they will go

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's crazy that some parents think winning is not important 16+.... College coaches are not going to sit and watch a team that can't win a game. I would look at the amount of coaches that watch McLean and BRYC at 16-17-19 in Greer and Sanford and compare it to what shows up for Loudoun and VDA matches. There is absolutely no reason teams 16+ should not be going on the field to win games. If you are being told other wise run... fast.

This is completely wrong. Coaches recruit players not teams.

The coaches do not show up to watch kids based on what club badge the kid has on the jersey. They either scout a specific kid or pick a team that is high in standings to look for talented players.

Clubs build relationships with schools and they watch those clubs, as well as highly ranked teams. The volume difference between a top ranked 16/17/18 team and a middle of the road team is huge. Why winning is important at those age groups

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here is the trend though - BRYC and McLean falling

Mid Atlantic ECNL U13 points

VDA 30
Loudoun 12
BRYC 9
McLean 3

We'll get a better idea next year whether there is a trend. McLean and BRYC are strong in the oldest age groups and VDA dominates two youngest age groups. If the youngest age group teams for BRYC and McLean flop next year and VDA adds another strong age group, we can start acknowledging the shift in power.

A shift in power ??? Having a good team at u13-14 does not mean you will be good at 16-19. McLean and BRYC are going to bring in players at those age groups. Both of those clubs have connections with top colleges, national teams and are killing it u15 and above. Please don't be so Naive. U13-14 VDA Parents need to watch the older age groups.

Totally agree
U15+
BRYC 106 points
VDA 29 points

That is a monumental gap. Good luck.....

The situation is completely reversed in the younger age groups, where VDA teams are consistently strong and BRYC teams are pathetic. When U19 age group graduates next year, BRYC will lose 31 points and VDA only 5. Without the graduating teams, the clubs will be separated by mere 8 points and if VDA brings a strong incoming class, they will easily pass BRYC in total points. As for connections to national teams, you are naive if you think that BRYC offers a good pathway. Your best chance to get a call up is to join a DA club.

Clearly have very little knowledge of the ECNL. The u19 age group is comprised of 2 age groups 18/19, so depending on how many players BRYC are graduating they could be even stronger at that age...

VDA will do fine but just need to lay low for a while. Should not be in the same conversation as McLean and BRYC right now

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is the trend though - BRYC and McLean falling

Mid Atlantic ECNL U13 points

VDA 30
Loudoun 12
BRYC 9
McLean 3

We'll get a better idea next year whether there is a trend. McLean and BRYC are strong in the oldest age groups and VDA dominates two youngest age groups. If the youngest age group teams for BRYC and McLean flop next year and VDA adds another strong age group, we can start acknowledging the shift in power.

A shift in power ??? Having a good team at u13-14 does not mean you will be good at 16-19. McLean and BRYC are going to bring in players at those age groups. Both of those clubs have connections with top colleges, national teams and are killing it u15 and above. Please don't be so Naive. U13-14 VDA Parents need to watch the older age groups.

Totally agree
U15+
BRYC 106 points
VDA 29 points

That is a monumental gap. Good luck.....

The situation is completely reversed in the younger age groups, where VDA teams are consistently strong and BRYC teams are pathetic. When U19 age group graduates next year, BRYC will lose 31 points and VDA only 5. Without the graduating teams, the clubs will be separated by mere 8 points and if VDA brings a strong incoming class, they will easily pass BRYC in total points. As for connections to national teams, you are naive if you think that BRYC offers a good pathway. Your best chance to get a call up is to join a DA club.

Clearly have very little knowledge of the ECNL. The u19 age group is comprised of 2 age groups 18/19, so depending on how many players BRYC are graduating they could be even stronger at that age...

VDA will do fine but just need to lay low for a while. Should not be in the same conversation as McLean and BRYC right now

I agree that McLean and BRYC are stronger than VDA at the moment, but you are missing the point. All age group move up one year, U17 will move to U19/U18, U16 will move to U17, etc. BRYC has strong teams in older age groups and weak teams in younger groups so they will lose at least one strong team that reached the college age. For example, their U14 team that is dead last in standing will become their U15 team. Unless they add a strong team in the youngest age group, their total points will drop. Given the record of their young teams, it is unlikely. VDA is the opposite, they will lose their oldest team, which is very weak, but they will retain all of their strong teams, because VDA is strong in the young age groups. So next year, there may be a shift in power if VDA adds a strong team in the youngest age group and BRYC does not. Time will tell.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is the trend though - BRYC and McLean falling

Mid Atlantic ECNL U13 points

VDA 30
Loudoun 12
BRYC 9
McLean 3

We'll get a better idea next year whether there is a trend. McLean and BRYC are strong in the oldest age groups and VDA dominates two youngest age groups. If the youngest age group teams for BRYC and McLean flop next year and VDA adds another strong age group, we can start acknowledging the shift in power.

A shift in power ??? Having a good team at u13-14 does not mean you will be good at 16-19. McLean and BRYC are going to bring in players at those age groups. Both of those clubs have connections with top colleges, national teams and are killing it u15 and above. Please don't be so Naive. U13-14 VDA Parents need to watch the older age groups.

Totally agree
U15+
BRYC 106 points
VDA 29 points

That is a monumental gap. Good luck.....

The situation is completely reversed in the younger age groups, where VDA teams are consistently strong and BRYC teams are pathetic. When U19 age group graduates next year, BRYC will lose 31 points and VDA only 5. Without the graduating teams, the clubs will be separated by mere 8 points and if VDA brings a strong incoming class, they will easily pass BRYC in total points. As for connections to national teams, you are naive if you think that BRYC offers a good pathway. Your best chance to get a call up is to join a DA club.

Clearly have very little knowledge of the ECNL. The u19 age group is comprised of 2 age groups 18/19, so depending on how many players BRYC are graduating they could be even stronger at that age...

VDA will do fine but just need to lay low for a while. Should not be in the same conversation as McLean and BRYC right now

I agree that McLean and BRYC are stronger than VDA at the moment, but you are missing the point. All age group move up one year, U17 will move to U19/U18, U16 will move to U17, etc. BRYC has strong teams in older age groups and weak teams in younger groups so they will lose at least one strong team that reached the college age. For example, their U14 team that is dead last in standing will become their U15 team. Unless they add a strong team in the youngest age group, their total points will drop. Given the record of their young teams, it is unlikely. VDA is the opposite, they will lose their oldest team, which is very weak, but they will retain all of their strong teams, because VDA is strong in the young age groups. So next year, there may be a shift in power if VDA adds a strong team in the youngest age group and BRYC does not. Time will tell.

Or will VDA retain all their strong 06 players? Time will tell.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is the trend though - BRYC and McLean falling

Mid Atlantic ECNL U13 points

VDA 30
Loudoun 12
BRYC 9
McLean 3

We'll get a better idea next year whether there is a trend. McLean and BRYC are strong in the oldest age groups and VDA dominates two youngest age groups. If the youngest age group teams for BRYC and McLean flop next year and VDA adds another strong age group, we can start acknowledging the shift in power.

A shift in power ??? Having a good team at u13-14 does not mean you will be good at 16-19. McLean and BRYC are going to bring in players at those age groups. Both of those clubs have connections with top colleges, national teams and are killing it u15 and above. Please don't be so Naive. U13-14 VDA Parents need to watch the older age groups.

Totally agree
U15+
BRYC 106 points
VDA 29 points

That is a monumental gap. Good luck.....

The situation is completely reversed in the younger age groups, where VDA teams are consistently strong and BRYC teams are pathetic. When U19 age group graduates next year, BRYC will lose 31 points and VDA only 5. Without the graduating teams, the clubs will be separated by mere 8 points and if VDA brings a strong incoming class, they will easily pass BRYC in total points. As for connections to national teams, you are naive if you think that BRYC offers a good pathway. Your best chance to get a call up is to join a DA club.

Clearly have very little knowledge of the ECNL. The u19 age group is comprised of 2 age groups 18/19, so depending on how many players BRYC are graduating they could be even stronger at that age...

VDA will do fine but just need to lay low for a while. Should not be in the same conversation as McLean and BRYC right now

I agree that McLean and BRYC are stronger than VDA at the moment, but you are missing the point. All age group move up one year, U17 will move to U19/U18, U16 will move to U17, etc. BRYC has strong teams in older age groups and weak teams in younger groups so they will lose at least one strong team that reached the college age. For example, their U14 team that is dead last in standing will become their U15 team. Unless they add a strong team in the youngest age group, their total points will drop. Given the record of their young teams, it is unlikely. VDA is the opposite, they will lose their oldest team, which is very weak, but they will retain all of their strong teams, because VDA is strong in the young age groups. So next year, there may be a shift in power if VDA adds a strong team in the youngest age group and BRYC does not. Time will tell.

Your logic there ignores a couple of factors that have tended to keep BRYC and McLean teams strong at the older age groups. The style they play, the quality of coaching at the older ages, and the fact that they continually draw in players contribute to those clubs having an upward trajectory from u16 to U18/19. There are more draws now though and no doubt additional factors can occur that may make it hard to generalize about the future.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is the trend though - BRYC and McLean falling

Mid Atlantic ECNL U13 points

VDA 30
Loudoun 12
BRYC 9
McLean 3

We'll get a better idea next year whether there is a trend. McLean and BRYC are strong in the oldest age groups and VDA dominates two youngest age groups. If the youngest age group teams for BRYC and McLean flop next year and VDA adds another strong age group, we can start acknowledging the shift in power.

A shift in power ??? Having a good team at u13-14 does not mean you will be good at 16-19. McLean and BRYC are going to bring in players at those age groups. Both of those clubs have connections with top colleges, national teams and are killing it u15 and above. Please don't be so Naive. U13-14 VDA Parents need to watch the older age groups.

Totally agree
U15+
BRYC 106 points
VDA 29 points

That is a monumental gap. Good luck.....

The situation is completely reversed in the younger age groups, where VDA teams are consistently strong and BRYC teams are pathetic. When U19 age group graduates next year, BRYC will lose 31 points and VDA only 5. Without the graduating teams, the clubs will be separated by mere 8 points and if VDA brings a strong incoming class, they will easily pass BRYC in total points. As for connections to national teams, you are naive if you think that BRYC offers a good pathway. Your best chance to get a call up is to join a DA club.

Clearly have very little knowledge of the ECNL. The u19 age group is comprised of 2 age groups 18/19, so depending on how many players BRYC are graduating they could be even stronger at that age...

VDA will do fine but just need to lay low for a while. Should not be in the same conversation as McLean and BRYC right now

I agree that McLean and BRYC are stronger than VDA at the moment, but you are missing the point. All age group move up one year, U17 will move to U19/U18, U16 will move to U17, etc. BRYC has strong teams in older age groups and weak teams in younger groups so they will lose at least one strong team that reached the college age. For example, their U14 team that is dead last in standing will become their U15 team. Unless they add a strong team in the youngest age group, their total points will drop. Given the record of their young teams, it is unlikely. VDA is the opposite, they will lose their oldest team, which is very weak, but they will retain all of their strong teams, because VDA is strong in the young age groups. So next year, there may be a shift in power if VDA adds a strong team in the youngest age group and BRYC does not. Time will tell.

Your logic there ignores a couple of factors that have tended to keep BRYC and McLean teams strong at the older age groups. The style they play, the quality of coaching at the older ages, and the fact that they continually draw in players contribute to those clubs having an upward trajectory from u16 to U18/19. There are more draws now though and no doubt additional factors can occur that may make it hard to generalize about the future.

Very true!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is the trend though - BRYC and McLean falling

Mid Atlantic ECNL U13 points

VDA 30
Loudoun 12
BRYC 9
McLean 3

We'll get a better idea next year whether there is a trend. McLean and BRYC are strong in the oldest age groups and VDA dominates two youngest age groups. If the youngest age group teams for BRYC and McLean flop next year and VDA adds another strong age group, we can start acknowledging the shift in power.

A shift in power ??? Having a good team at u13-14 does not mean you will be good at 16-19. McLean and BRYC are going to bring in players at those age groups. Both of those clubs have connections with top colleges, national teams and are killing it u15 and above. Please don't be so Naive. U13-14 VDA Parents need to watch the older age groups.

Totally agree
U15+
BRYC 106 points
VDA 29 points

That is a monumental gap. Good luck.....

The situation is completely reversed in the younger age groups, where VDA teams are consistently strong and BRYC teams are pathetic. When U19 age group graduates next year, BRYC will lose 31 points and VDA only 5. Without the graduating teams, the clubs will be separated by mere 8 points and if VDA brings a strong incoming class, they will easily pass BRYC in total points. As for connections to national teams, you are naive if you think that BRYC offers a good pathway. Your best chance to get a call up is to join a DA club.

Clearly have very little knowledge of the ECNL. The u19 age group is comprised of 2 age groups 18/19, so depending on how many players BRYC are graduating they could be even stronger at that age...

VDA will do fine but just need to lay low for a while. Should not be in the same conversation as McLean and BRYC right now

I agree that McLean and BRYC are stronger than VDA at the moment, but you are missing the point. All age group move up one year, U17 will move to U19/U18, U16 will move to U17, etc. BRYC has strong teams in older age groups and weak teams in younger groups so they will lose at least one strong team that reached the college age. For example, their U14 team that is dead last in standing will become their U15 team. Unless they add a strong team in the youngest age group, their total points will drop. Given the record of their young teams, it is unlikely. VDA is the opposite, they will lose their oldest team, which is very weak, but they will retain all of their strong teams, because VDA is strong in the young age groups. So next year, there may be a shift in power if VDA adds a strong team in the youngest age group and BRYC does not. Time will tell.

The point you are missing is that MCLean and BRYC will flip the teams that get to u15 and can not play at the ECNL level, they will add top talent from clubs in the area.

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The point you are missing is that MCLean and BRYC will flip the teams that get to u15 and can not play at the ECNL level, they will add top talent from clubs in the area.

so true (from past experience)... it will be interesting to see though if that top talent isn't already at another ECNL (or GDA) club, whether that top talent are staying put or moving between based on coaches and opportunities, versus "staying with friends" and convenient location.

How many non-ECNL (or GDA) top talent girls will really be available? The numbers are probably much lower than they were before...

Isn't there also an ECNL or DA no recruit period from other like teams until April?

[Anonymous]

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The point you are missing is that MCLean and BRYC will flip the teams that get to u15 and can not play at the ECNL level, they will add top talent from clubs in the area.

so true (from past experience)... it will be interesting to see though if that top talent isn't already at another ECNL (or GDA) club, whether that top talent are staying put or moving between based on coaches and opportunities, versus "staying with friends" and convenient location.

How many non-ECNL (or GDA) top talent girls will really be available? The numbers are probably much lower than they were before...

Isn't there also an ECNL or DA no recruit period from other like teams until April?

It will be much harder to recruit and stack the team with top players from other clubs. Northern Virginia alone has 4 ECNL options and 3 DA options.