Trump - “Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?”

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Anonymous wrote:Collectively, I’m truly afraid that America has lost its humanity. Trump is unspeakably awful. It’s heartbreaking because I have face the fact that he’s what we deserve, because our stupid, arrogant, selfish, paranoid nation elected him (and yeah, I get he didn’t win the the general election. That gives me little comfort). I’m so sad for my kids because I do believe that a generation from now America as we know it (under our current constitution) will be no more.

Yes I’m sure your children will be much better off in a majority minority country. much, much better off. No doubt in my mind

Why wouldn't they be?

You remember what happened in Yugoslavia right?

You either get inter-ethnic conflict, or you need authoritarian measures to keep the peace. Either is a pretty dismal scenario.

Those are not the only two possibilities. Switzerland is an example of a country with multiple ethnolinguistic groups that doesn't fit either scenario. The US is attracting the best and the brightest from most of the so-called shitholes. Indeed, until recently, one of Trump's top aids was of Haitian origin. I'm sure she is thrilled to know what Trump thinks about her heritage.

The swiss have been able to keep their federation together for 1000 years. Part of this is national service that unites people in a common experience, part of it is their system of government via direct democracy. Likewise it is the same system of the canton system that allows for wide latitude in interpreting their federal laws, basically giving a lot of autonomy.

Here in the USA we have very little that unites us other than consumerism.

Let me tell you something. It's damn difficult to immigrate into Switzerland. It's one of THE most diffcult countries to immigrate to.

You should look into trying the term “emigrate.”

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Just recognizing the reality of the world. Keep in mind that if you are importing people who are ok with racism, you can expect those attitudes to be more acceptable in our own culture.

Huh, how did you get the idea that most immigrants are ok with racism? You are the one who seems to be a proponent of racism so your issue needs to be with yourself, not immigrants.

Um, by speaking with them?

I speak fluent chinese and japanese.

I consume asian media.

I will not repeat their distain for people that aren't like themselves. They even hate other asian groups.

Psssst. . . . “Chinese” is not a language.

zhongwen = chinese

sure you are referring to mandarin.... but not everyone knows the name of the various chinese languages, and you don't need to be able to speak cantonese and other languages to read mandarin.

Sorry. A non-native speaker of both Mandarin and Standard Japanese would be hard-pressed hold themselves out as fluent in either, much less both. My bullshit detector is reading 11.

Japanese is very easy to learn how to speak. Reading is much more difficult as there are many readings for each character. That being said, if you can read Japanese, you can read much of the chinese language though mainland china uses simplified characters. Chinese has easy grammar, but the tones make it difficult to hear if you aren't used to them.

I have a JLPT 2 certificate and an HSK 4. You can pick up both languages very quickly if you live there for a year and are forced to speak it every day.

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Anonymous wrote:Donald Trump is a racist, go figure. Immigrants from Haiti are just as desirable as immigrants from Norway. They are hard working, at least as smart if not smarter, and have a more lively culture. The midterms can’t come soon enough!

Yeah, I mean look at Norway compared to Haiti. Haitians are clearly the smart ones, capable of building a prosperous first world country

Haiti=Capitalist country

Norway=Socialist country

Ok? What does that have to do with anything?

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Anonymous wrote:Not only did Trump show his racist and hypocritical nature again (he has hired many Haitian immigrants through visa programs to work at Mar Lago.), he showed himself (again) to be fundamentally stupid. American immigrants have always been in search of a better life than the one they left behind. How does he not get that people with comfortable lives in prosperous countries are not lining up to come here-it’s the people with the fire in their belly who are looking for better educational and economic opportunities.

Trump is Irish. You think he would realize that half of the Irish immigrants in this country came to escape ‘shithole conditions’ during a time of famine.

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Anonymous wrote:Ignoring his language what about merit based immigration? Does the whole of this country revolve around Mexico, Central America, Haiti, and Africa?

The southern border illegals number in the millions. DH is discussing Trump, etc with a relative in another jurisdiction. Few if any illegals. Less than 200 Obama unaccompanied minors in the entire county. The entire state of Vermont got 5 through fiscal year 2017. Can we send the 13000 to Vermont?

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Apparently, the U.S. is the only country not allowed to limit immigration and decide who to admit. Every other country, however, is perfectly able to do so.

This has been the American way since our inception. We are not like other countries. We are an exceptional country. Because of our values, and our freedoms, and yes, our welcoming of those in search of a better life. If you don't like it, leave.

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Anonymous wrote:43% of immigrants from “shithole” African countries have a bachelor’s degree or higher, compared to 33% of the overall American population.

Source/link, please? Thanks.

I'm not the pp, and I only have the data for subsaharan africa, but it's similar: https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/sub-saharan-african-immigrants-united-states#Educational_and_Professional_Attainment

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Anonymous wrote:Not only did Trump show his racist and hypocritical nature again (he has hired many Haitian immigrants through visa programs to work at Mar Lago.), he showed himself (again) to be fundamentally stupid. American immigrants have always been in search of a better life than the one they left behind. How does he not get that people with comfortable lives in prosperous countries are not lining up to come here-it’s the people with the fire in their belly who are looking for better educational and economic opportunities.

Trump is Irish. You think he would realize that half of the Irish immigrants in this country came to escape ‘shithole conditions’ during a time of famine.

I thought he was half Scottish and German.

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Trump's ultimate sin is that he broke the Republican's plausible deniability that they aren't sorry-ass racists. Sorry shitheads, but everyone knew this all along about Republican.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not only did Trump show his racist and hypocritical nature again (he has hired many Haitian immigrants through visa programs to work at Mar Lago.), he showed himself (again) to be fundamentally stupid. American immigrants have always been in search of a better life than the one they left behind. How does he not get that people with comfortable lives in prosperous countries are not lining up to come here-it’s the people with the fire in their belly who are looking for better educational and economic opportunities.

Trump is Irish. You think he would realize that half of the Irish immigrants in this country came to escape ‘shithole conditions’ during a time of famine.

Trump’s mom was Scottish. His father’s family (Drumpf) is German.

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Anonymous wrote:Donald Trump is a racist, go figure. Immigrants from Haiti are just as desirable as immigrants from Norway. They are hard working, at least as smart if not smarter, and have a more lively culture. The midterms can’t come soon enough!

Yeah, I mean look at Norway compared to Haiti. Haitians are clearly the smart ones, capable of building a prosperous first world country

Haiti=Capitalist country

Norway=Socialist country

Ok? What does that have to do with anything?

It has to do with the conservatives on this site who are constantly bemoaning socialism and how it's the end of the world and how we have to keep any and every hint of it at bay and that only raging, unfettered capitalism is the right system for our country.

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The Japan/China discussion is totally off-topic, but I must ask - what has racism brought Japan? A declining birth rate and rapidly aging population with not enough young people to support them.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not only did Trump show his racist and hypocritical nature again (he has hired many Haitian immigrants through visa programs to work at Mar Lago.), he showed himself (again) to be fundamentally stupid. American immigrants have always been in search of a better life than the one they left behind. How does he not get that people with comfortable lives in prosperous countries are not lining up to come here-it’s the people with the fire in their belly who are looking for better educational and economic opportunities.

Trump is Irish. You think he would realize that half of the Irish immigrants in this country came to escape ‘shithole conditions’ during a time of famine.

I thought he was half Scottish and German.

Trump told people his dad’s Family was from Sweden for decades. ????

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Donald Trump is a racist, go figure. Immigrants from Haiti are just as desirable as immigrants from Norway. They are hard working, at least as smart if not smarter, and have a more lively culture. The midterms can’t come soon enough!

Yeah, I mean look at Norway compared to Haiti. Haitians are clearly the smart ones, capable of building a prosperous first world country

Haiti=Capitalist country

Norway=Socialist country

Ok? What does that have to do with anything?

Every time you naturalize a Norwegian, Nancy Pelosi rings a bell.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not only did Trump show his racist and hypocritical nature again (he has hired many Haitian immigrants through visa programs to work at Mar Lago.), he showed himself (again) to be fundamentally stupid. American immigrants have always been in search of a better life than the one they left behind. How does he not get that people with comfortable lives in prosperous countries are not lining up to come here-it’s the people with the fire in their belly who are looking for better educational and economic opportunities.

Trump is Irish. You think he would realize that half of the Irish immigrants in this country came to escape ‘shithole conditions’ during a time of famine.

I thought he was half Scottish and German.

Trump told people his dad’s Family was from Sweden for decades. ????

No racist. No racist. You’re the racist!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Collectively, I’m truly afraid that America has lost its humanity. Trump is unspeakably awful. It’s heartbreaking because I have face the fact that he’s what we deserve, because our stupid, arrogant, selfish, paranoid nation elected him (and yeah, I get he didn’t win the the general election. That gives me little comfort). I’m so sad for my kids because I do believe that a generation from now America as we know it (under our current constitution) will be no more.

Yes I’m sure your children will be much better off in a majority minority country. much, much better off. No doubt in my mind

Why wouldn't they be?

You remember what happened in Yugoslavia right?

You either get inter-ethnic conflict, or you need authoritarian measures to keep the peace. Either is a pretty dismal scenario.

Those are not the only two possibilities. Switzerland is an example of a country with multiple ethnolinguistic groups that doesn't fit either scenario. The US is attracting the best and the brightest from most of the so-called shitholes. Indeed, until recently, one of Trump's top aids was of Haitian origin. I'm sure she is thrilled to know what Trump thinks about her heritage.

The swiss have been able to keep their federation together for 1000 years. Part of this is national service that unites people in a common experience, part of it is their system of government via direct democracy. Likewise it is the same system of the canton system that allows for wide latitude in interpreting their federal laws, basically giving a lot of autonomy.

Here in the USA we have very little that unites us other than consumerism.

Let me tell you something. It's damn difficult to immigrate into Switzerland. It's one of THE most diffcult countries to immigrate to.

You should look into trying the term “emigrate.”

You emigrate from a country. You immigrate to a country. Trump's mother emigrated from Scotland. She immigrated to the United States.