So are you willing to give up quality of education for diversity?

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No, not me. Diversity is not THAT important to my family. I want my kids to learn. Don't care about social aspect or being PC.

Everybody wants their kids to learn. The question is, what do you want your kids to learn?

Classroom instructions?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why people are so hard on parents not wanting to send their child to a predominantly black school? I agree that some of these schools are actually pretty good in terms of academics and teachers, which is great.

The downside (not always) is that the environment can be horrible. There is just way too much BS behavioral issues that I don't want my kids exposed to. Every human is biased, but I think there are often legitimate reasons for not wanting to send your kids to some of these schools.

I will tell you why I am hard on you PP. Because you are using only race as the reason for choosing the school, and nothing more. All other things being equal academically, behaviorally, etc. you would just prefer that your child be in an environment where she is in the majority. Guess what, every day she is in the majority. The majority of the people she sees around her are white, the people on TV on white, the majority of the people she sees as leaders and professionals are white. Spending six hours a day in a situation where she is not among the majority will probably be healthy for her.

And you again make statements that a school that is majority black is a school rife with behavioral problems. That is your perception based solely on skin color, and nothing more. It is a "race neutral" code word for what is essentially a racist viewpoint.

I had to laugh at the white woman in the video. A) She really seemed to lack confidence in defending her choices; and B) was concerned about her child be the only white girl in the kindergarten. No one seems as concerned about the only black girl in the kindergarten.

You make some really stupid assumptions.

My perception isn't based on skin color, it's based on my actual experience, and experience of friends and family members.
You can pretend that there aren't behavioral issues at these schools, but that isn't true in most cases.

It sounds like everything is racism to you. I guess what I experienced is just racism on my part lol

It sounds like you have an axe to grind with white people.

And I think you are confusing me with another PP

PP its just another black race baiter so many of them here

You send your kid to the best school period which is directly correlated to SES which is correlated to income

Blacks and to a lesser extent hispanics have lower SES/income which is why people tend to avoid schools with higher percentages of blacks and somewhat hispanics

Blacks do it too. Blacks of means would never dream of sending their kids to public schools in DC or PG county

Diversity for diversity sake is liberal bs. As other posters have hinted if anything diversity for diversities sake inflames racial tensions

Finally looking for more qualified minority candidates is a good thing. Key word is qualified. Affirmative Action has been warped to focus on diversity instead of qualified diversity

And herein lies the problem. This is not necessarily the case, yet everyone automatically assumes it is.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So from what I'm reading everyone will just sacrifice the quality of education their children receive for diversity.

I read a thread recently where someone said they requested to be in a lower rated school instead of the highly rated school they were zoned for so that there would be more diversity.

This is the craziest thing I have heard in a while. So do your children not see any people of different color, religion, SES, country of origin etc... At any sports? Your ? (maybe going to private), the grocery store, life in general?

I would never sacrifice my child's quality of education for anything. They have plenty of friends who are different because they don't go to school 24 hours a day 7 days a week.

Honestly what am I missing here? My children's education is one of the most important things to our family, I can't imagine not caring about the learning my children receive because I care more about the type of kids in the class.

No, not me. Diversity is not THAT important to my family. I want my kids to learn. Don't care about social aspect or being PC.

Diversity isn't just about being PC. It actually makes us smarter and more successful.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-diversity-makes-us-smarter/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So from what I'm reading everyone will just sacrifice the quality of education their children receive for diversity.

I read a thread recently where someone said they requested to be in a lower rated school instead of the highly rated school they were zoned for so that there would be more diversity.

This is the craziest thing I have heard in a while. So do your children not see any people of different color, religion, SES, country of origin etc... At any sports? Your ? (maybe going to private), the grocery store, life in general?

I would never sacrifice my child's quality of education for anything. They have plenty of friends who are different because they don't go to school 24 hours a day 7 days a week.

Honestly what am I missing here? My children's education is one of the most important things to our family, I can't imagine not caring about the learning my children receive because I care more about the type of kids in the class.

I wonder what OP has been reading. I've never read anything where somebody said, "I will sacrifice the quality of education my child will receive for diversity!"

Now, people do sometimes choose schools with lower GreatSchools ratings. And maybe OP assumes that GreatSchools ratings correlate with the quality of education a child receives. If so, I disagree with that assumption.

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Diversity is more than just learning to live with people of other cultures, but being able to understand the background and contributions people with different cultural and educational or professional experiences bring to the table and how they can contribute to success in the workplace or wherever.

One of the things I learned out of the 2008 financial crisis is that virtually all of the people that engineered things like the credit default swaps and made the decisions that brought about the crisis were all the "best and the brightest" who went to the same colleges, etc. It produces a form of group think that can be highly dangerous.

My father - who is a military officer - made a similar point. He was an academy graduate, and he said that he valued the input that came from the ROTC officers because they came in with training and critical thinking skills that were different from those cultivated in the academy.

Also, as we move to an even more minority majority country I think it's important that we do emphasize diversity as the strength for our economy and society taht it is.

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Anonymous wrote:I was an UMC kid who went to a diverse school. I think the quality of education was worse. It did make me understand other cultures. While I am not biased, the experience made me a strong Republican and made me work harder/smarter to send my kids to a W school. Many friends from HS echo that experience.

This is similar to my experience. I also went to a diverse but low performing school and it was not ideal. I also worked very very hard and it also made me a strong republican. I think I would have very different political views if it wasn't for the way I grew up. My sisters are older and went to different schools before we moved and they are very different than I am in terms of their school choices and political lean. I am certain it is due to the different environments in which we grew up. My husband and I work very hard to send our kids to an excellent school. It is not diverse. But my concern was only on SES and overall school performance. If that also included it being diverse that would have been a plus but it is rare. But I don't care. I want them to have a better experience than I did and I don't think it will negatively effect the way they interact with other people of different color/SES/religion etc...in fact I think it might be a positive. When you are in school with children who constantly act out because they have no parental support, no focus on education, not enough food etc...I don't believe that is positive. For me, it was a negative and I had to work really hard as a child, young person and adult to reshape my bias.

It is so easy to say how diversity is so important blah blah blah when you haven't actually grown up with any.

There are many of us here who had a positive experience with diverse schools and want the same for our own kids. Your experience is not universal.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why people are so hard on parents not wanting to send their child to a predominantly black school? I agree that some of these schools are actually pretty good in terms of academics and teachers, which is great.

The downside (not always) is that the environment can be horrible. There is just way too much BS behavioral issues that I don't want my kids exposed to. Every human is biased, but I think there are often legitimate reasons for not wanting to send your kids to some of these schools.

I will tell you why I am hard on you PP. Because you are using only race as the reason for choosing the school, and nothing more. All other things being equal academically, behaviorally, etc. you would just prefer that your child be in an environment where she is in the majority. Guess what, every day she is in the majority. The majority of the people she sees around her are white, the people on TV on white, the majority of the people she sees as leaders and professionals are white. Spending six hours a day in a situation where she is not among the majority will probably be healthy for her.

And you again make statements that a school that is majority black is a school rife with behavioral problems. That is your perception based solely on skin color, and nothing more. It is a "race neutral" code word for what is essentially a racist viewpoint.

I had to laugh at the white woman in the video. A) She really seemed to lack confidence in defending her choices; and B) was concerned about her child be the only white girl in the kindergarten. No one seems as concerned about the only black girl in the kindergarten.

You make some really stupid assumptions.

My perception isn't based on skin color, it's based on my actual experience, and experience of friends and family members.
You can pretend that there aren't behavioral issues at these schools, but that isn't true in most cases.

It sounds like everything is racism to you. I guess what I experienced is just racism on my part lol

It sounds like you have an axe to grind with white people.

And I think you are confusing me with another PP

PP its just another black race baiter so many of them here

You send your kid to the best school period which is directly correlated to SES which is correlated to income

Blacks and to a lesser extent hispanics have lower SES/income which is why people tend to avoid schools with higher percentages of blacks and somewhat hispanics

Blacks do it too. Blacks of means would never dream of sending their kids to public schools in DC or PG county

Diversity for diversity sake is liberal bs. As other posters have hinted if anything diversity for diversities sake inflames racial tensions

Finally looking for more qualified minority candidates is a good thing. Key word is qualified. Affirmative Action has been warped to focus on diversity instead of qualified diversity

And herein lies the problem. This is not necessarily the case, yet everyone automatically assumes it is.

So you would send your child to a lower performing school that correlates with your SES than send them to a more diverse school that might be equivalent or better except for SES?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why people are so hard on parents not wanting to send their child to a predominantly black school? I agree that some of these schools are actually pretty good in terms of academics and teachers, which is great.

The downside (not always) is that the environment can be horrible. There is just way too much BS behavioral issues that I don't want my kids exposed to. Every human is biased, but I think there are often legitimate reasons for not wanting to send your kids to some of these schools.

I will tell you why I am hard on you PP. Because you are using only race as the reason for choosing the school, and nothing more. All other things being equal academically, behaviorally, etc. you would just prefer that your child be in an environment where she is in the majority. Guess what, every day she is in the majority. The majority of the people she sees around her are white, the people on TV on white, the majority of the people she sees as leaders and professionals are white. Spending six hours a day in a situation where she is not among the majority will probably be healthy for her.

And you again make statements that a school that is majority black is a school rife with behavioral problems. That is your perception based solely on skin color, and nothing more. It is a "race neutral" code word for what is essentially a racist viewpoint.

I had to laugh at the white woman in the video. A) She really seemed to lack confidence in defending her choices; and B) was concerned about her child be the only white girl in the kindergarten. No one seems as concerned about the only black girl in the kindergarten.

You make some really stupid assumptions.

My perception isn't based on skin color, it's based on my actual experience, and experience of friends and family members.
You can pretend that there aren't behavioral issues at these schools, but that isn't true in most cases.

It sounds like everything is racism to you. I guess what I experienced is just racism on my part lol

It sounds like you have an axe to grind with white people.

And I think you are confusing me with another PP

PP its just another black race baiter so many of them here

You send your kid to the best school period which is directly correlated to SES which is correlated to income

Blacks and to a lesser extent hispanics have lower SES/income which is why people tend to avoid schools with higher percentages of blacks and somewhat hispanics

Blacks do it too. Blacks of means would never dream of sending their kids to public schools in DC or PG county

Diversity for diversity sake is liberal bs. As other posters have hinted if anything diversity for diversities sake inflames racial tensions

Finally looking for more qualified minority candidates is a good thing. Key word is qualified. Affirmative Action has been warped to focus on diversity instead of qualified diversity

And herein lies the problem. This is not necessarily the case, yet everyone automatically assumes it is.

So you would send your child to a lower performing school that correlates with your SES than send them to a more diverse school that might be equivalent or better except for SES?

I would rather send my child to a good school that has both racial and SES diversity. The fact that a school has SES diversity, does not by definition make it inferior to a uniformly high SES school. I reject the idea that test scores are a universal indicator of good vs. bad schools.

[Anonymous]

Fair point but like others have said it's almost impossible to tell what the real quality of a school is

Therefore test scores, graduation rates, college acceptance and type of college kids are accepted to and discipline issues is the only thing to go on

Higher SES is directly correlated with higher rates of these factors and lower rates of serious discipline issues (suspensions expulsions dropping out etc)

Higher SES is directly correlated to certain races over others

Now some think the purpose of school isn't to go to the best college you can to those I say why are you mortgaging your kids future on some liberal crusade of diversity

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Fair point but like others have said it's almost impossible to tell what the real quality of a school is

Therefore test scores, graduation rates, college acceptance and type of college kids are accepted to and discipline issues is the only thing to go on

Higher SES is directly correlated with higher rates of these factors and lower rates of serious discipline issues (suspensions expulsions dropping out etc)

Higher SES is directly correlated to certain races over others

Now some think the purpose of school isn't to go to the best college you can to those I say why are you mortgaging your kids future on some liberal crusade of diversity

No, they're not.

You keep begging the question. By which I mean, this is your reasoning:

You: The good schools are the schools with lots of kids from affluent, educated families.
Us: How do you know?
You: Because diversity is PC bunk.
Us: How do you know?
You: Because the schools with lots of kids from affluent, educated families are the good schools.

[Anonymous]

The only way test scores, graduation rates, and college acceptances are useful is if you control for SES and compare to schools with a similar socio-economic breakdown. High SES students tend to do well no matter where they go. You could have a crappy school in a high-SES neighborhood and the test scores, etc. would still be good as a result of factors that have nothing to do with the school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Fair point but like others have said it's almost impossible to tell what the real quality of a school is

Therefore test scores, graduation rates, college acceptance and type of college kids are accepted to and discipline issues is the only thing to go on

Higher SES is directly correlated with higher rates of these factors and lower rates of serious discipline issues (suspensions expulsions dropping out etc)

Higher SES is directly correlated to certain races over others

Now some think the purpose of school isn't to go to the best college you can to those I say why are you mortgaging your kids future on some liberal crusade of diversity

No, they're not.

You keep begging the question. By which I mean, this is your reasoning:

You: The good schools are the schools with lots of kids from affluent, educated families.
Us: How do you know?
You: Because diversity is PC bunk.
Us: How do you know?
You: Because the schools with lots of kids from affluent, educated families are the good schools.

t

Look its not rocket science

Which schools have veteran teachers clamoring to be there vs ones that teachers want to get away from and have trouble staffing
Which schools have tons more resources volunteers and extracurriculars vs barely scraping buy

Answer its all related to higher SES which is strongly correlated to the racial makeup of the school

Those are the facts

I'm done here seems like you don't have any commonsense typical DCUM liberal

[Anonymous]

But don't let that fact dissuade the OP and others who ignore and don't understand diversity. Whether they go to a majority white school or not, the fact is white children in school today will be living in a society where they are no longer the majority and where they will be asked to be surrendering their privilege. As this discussion, the video and article by Nikole Hannah-Jones and the election of Findkd Trump show, whites are fighting tooth and nail not to do this, even the so-called "progressive ones."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is a false question. Op is a crock of shit. Op is insinuating that whites leave diverse schools for better educations.

This is false. Whites leave diverse schools not for educational reasons but because whites don't want to walk in the shoes of other minorities.

This is proven by what happens when asians get too high of a concentration in schools - white families leave

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White flight happened in my children's old school because the white families feared competition from Asian students. Actually, it was a blessing because my children had the best of two worlds. A diverse school that was an academic powerhouse. I don't mind diversity at my children's current school because there are many African and Asian immigrant families who value education. We don't need white students to make our school great. The students at my children's school can run circles around white students. White Americans don't want to buck up and play ball with us because academically speaking we will demolish them in every category. White Americans have done a number on African Americans and Latinos in regards to racist educational practices. Those practices don't work on Asian and African immigrant families. They can leave our schools because we don't care. We prefer that they leave because their children are slowing our children down. Unlike African Americans and Latinos we don't give a damn rather you like us or not. Nor will we beg to have a seat at your table. Asians can and we have made our own tables by becoming the most wealthy and educated individuals in this country. White people like to be dominant. It infuriates them to know that minority children are outperforming their children. I wish their focus was more on equality, but white people's egos are too fragile and insecure. They don't want their children being educated in an environment with lions. So, the leave and go to schools where they can feel superior. It's the nature of the beast. Children who are not academic alphas will be devoured in a predominately Asian school. Academic alphas of all races don't complain they do. Betas run away when they realize they can no longer challenge the alphas.

Some minorities don't need nor do we want white people to help diversify our schools. We already got that covered. Whites don't want equality. They want domination. If they want to flee to low performing schools, then good riddance!

Wow! Hanging out with you is supposed to make other races more empathetic? Given that two-thirds of the Asians in the United States in 2010 were foreign-born, there must have been something here created by the so-called "betas" that was appealing, and dare I say, even superior to the countries they left behind... How about some appreciation for the willingness to welcome in new residents?

Well, while I do not 100% agree with the previous PP, I actually disagree with pp more. This is a country of immigrants and the original inhabitants (Native Americans) are really not in a position to deny or allow anyone from coming to this country. We (legal immigrants who are highly educated) have been welcome in this country because our skills are needed here. We were invited to come here.

Have the entire nation welcomed us? Not really. The fact that this thread exists point out the fact that we always knew - the less educated and intellectually inferior people of this country are jealous of our wealth and achievement and are not willing to face their own intellectual inferiority or lack of employable skills. These were the same people who voted for an idiot like Trump. Racism exists only because of fear of the uneducated and entitlement of those fat cats like Trump who became rich because of connections and not ability.

We are appreciative of our friendship with half of this nation. We cannot stand the other half. We are appreciative of the welcome when we are appreciated for our skills. That happens with only half of this country. The racists are now out in full force. They want to justify their racism as pragmatism by asking the question that OP did.

This country treats their own people, aka African Americans like shit. If you cannot be happy about this group of people that you stole from their homes and brought here by force to work for you, I do not think that the many racists in this country can welcome me. They tolerate me because they have no choice, and their employer loves me because I actually make their company some money, and the fact that I have money to spend in this country makes me very welcome in the best real estate market, in the best schools, in the best shops, in the best clubs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Fair point but like others have said it's almost impossible to tell what the real quality of a school is

Therefore test scores, graduation rates, college acceptance and type of college kids are accepted to and discipline issues is the only thing to go on

Higher SES is directly correlated with higher rates of these factors and lower rates of serious discipline issues (suspensions expulsions dropping out etc)

Higher SES is directly correlated to certain races over others

Now some think the purpose of school isn't to go to the best college you can to those I say why are you mortgaging your kids future on some liberal crusade of diversity

No, they're not.

You keep begging the question. By which I mean, this is your reasoning:

You: The good schools are the schools with lots of kids from affluent, educated families.
Us: How do you know?
You: Because diversity is PC bunk.
Us: How do you know?
You: Because the schools with lots of kids from affluent, educated families are the good schools.

t

Look its not rocket science

Which schools have veteran teachers clamoring to be there vs ones that teachers want to get away from and have trouble staffing
Which schools have tons more resources volunteers and extracurriculars vs barely scraping buy

Answer its all related to higher SES which is strongly correlated to the racial makeup of the school

Those are the facts

I'm done here seems like you don't have any commonsense typical DCUM liberal

A school need not be 50+% FARMS in order to be socio-economically diverse. Research suggests this is the tipping point at which the achievement of middle-class students may be negatively impacted. And when you control for SES, research indicates white student achievement in schools with the highest minority density does not differ from white student achievement in schools with the lowest density.