So are you willing to give up quality of education for diversity?

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Anonymous wrote:Following on, and if you watched the video Nikole Hannah-Jones addressed this. After she wrote her article about her decision to send her child to a majority black school, people accused her of wanting to send her child to an "unsafe" school. No where in her article did she ever say the school was unsafe and she says in the video she would not send her child to an unsafe school. Yet, there it was.

She also pointed out that the local school that is more than 50 percent white is overcrowded and that the white parents will and are fighting tooth and nail to assure that their children retain access to what is perceived to be the superior white school.

Nobody cares about your dumb video, it's painful enough to read your black panther garbage.

After listening to you, do you actually think anyone would want to go to a black school?

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why people are so hard on parents not wanting to send their child to a predominantly black school? I agree that some of these schools are actually pretty good in terms of academics and teachers, which is great.

The downside (not always) is that the environment can be horrible. There is just way too much BS behavioral issues that I don't want my kids exposed to. Every human is biased, but I think there are often legitimate reasons for not wanting to send your kids to some of these schools.

I will tell you why I am hard on you PP. Because you are using only race as the reason for choosing the school, and nothing more. All other things being equal academically, behaviorally, etc. you would just prefer that your child be in an environment where she is in the majority. Guess what, every day she is in the majority. The majority of the people she sees around her are white, the people on TV on white, the majority of the people she sees as leaders and professionals are white. Spending six hours a day in a situation where she is not among the majority will probably be healthy for her.

And you again make statements that a school that is majority black is a school rife with behavioral problems. That is your perception based solely on skin color, and nothing more. It is a "race neutral" code word for what is essentially a racist viewpoint.

I had to laugh at the white woman in the video. A) She really seemed to lack confidence in defending her choices; and B) was concerned about her child be the only white girl in the kindergarten. No one seems as concerned about the only black girl in the kindergarten.

You make some really stupid assumptions.

My perception isn't based on skin color, it's based on my actual experience, and experience of friends and family members.
You can pretend that there aren't behavioral issues at these schools, but that isn't true in most cases.

It sounds like everything is racism to you. I guess what I experienced is just racism on my part lol

It sounds like you have an axe to grind with white people.

And I think you are confusing me with another PP

PP its just another black race baiter so many of them here

You send your kid to the best school period which is directly correlated to SES which is correlated to income

Blacks and to a lesser extent hispanics have lower SES/income which is why people tend to avoid schools with higher percentages of blacks and somewhat hispanics

Blacks do it too. Blacks of means would never dream of sending their kids to public schools in DC or PG county

Diversity for diversity sake is liberal bs. As other posters have hinted if anything diversity for diversities sake inflames racial tensions

Finally looking for more qualified minority candidates is a good thing. Key word is qualified. Affirmative Action has been warped to focus on diversity instead of qualified diversity

Sorry, I'm the PP and I'm white and not a black "race baiter." Until we can guarantee that all children have equal access to a quality public education I will always advocate integration. If you don't like it, I'm sure there are so segregation academies still around.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why people are so hard on parents not wanting to send their child to a predominantly black school? I agree that some of these schools are actually pretty good in terms of academics and teachers, which is great.

The downside (not always) is that the environment can be horrible. There is just way too much BS behavioral issues that I don't want my kids exposed to. Every human is biased, but I think there are often legitimate reasons for not wanting to send your kids to some of these schools.

I will tell you why I am hard on you PP. Because you are using only race as the reason for choosing the school, and nothing more. All other things being equal academically, behaviorally, etc. you would just prefer that your child be in an environment where she is in the majority. Guess what, every day she is in the majority. The majority of the people she sees around her are white, the people on TV on white, the majority of the people she sees as leaders and professionals are white. Spending six hours a day in a situation where she is not among the majority will probably be healthy for her.

And you again make statements that a school that is majority black is a school rife with behavioral problems. That is your perception based solely on skin color, and nothing more. It is a "race neutral" code word for what is essentially a racist viewpoint.

I had to laugh at the white woman in the video. A) She really seemed to lack confidence in defending her choices; and B) was concerned about her child be the only white girl in the kindergarten. No one seems as concerned about the only black girl in the kindergarten.

You make some really stupid assumptions.

My perception isn't based on skin color, it's based on my actual experience, and experience of friends and family members.
You can pretend that there aren't behavioral issues at these schools, but that isn't true in most cases.

It sounds like everything is racism to you. I guess what I experienced is just racism on my part lol

It sounds like you have an axe to grind with white people.

And I think you are confusing me with another PP

PP its just another black race baiter so many of them here

You send your kid to the best school period which is directly correlated to SES which is correlated to income

Blacks and to a lesser extent hispanics have lower SES/income which is why people tend to avoid schools with higher percentages of blacks and somewhat hispanics

Blacks do it too. Blacks of means would never dream of sending their kids to public schools in DC or PG county

Diversity for diversity sake is liberal bs. As other posters have hinted if anything diversity for diversities sake inflames racial tensions

Finally looking for more qualified minority candidates is a good thing. Key word is qualified. Affirmative Action has been warped to focus on diversity instead of qualified diversity

Sorry, I'm the PP and I'm white and not a black "race baiter." Until we can guarantee that all children have equal access to a quality public education I will always advocate integration. If you don't like it, I'm sure there are so segregation academies still around.

What does integration accomplish exactly serious question. This isn't a race issue its an SES issue which around DC has an extra strong correluation to race but in the end its an SES issue

You guarantee kids have equal access to a quality education through charters and vouchers

Constantly wasting untold billions trying to make certain areas/school "higher quality" has accomplished nothing. If anything many of these areas have gotten worse

In DC we should turn over the lowest 1/3 performing schools to KIPP. Drill and kill with strong discipline is the only real solution for those at the bottom

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why people are so hard on parents not wanting to send their child to a predominantly black school? I agree that some of these schools are actually pretty good in terms of academics and teachers, which is great.

The downside (not always) is that the environment can be horrible. There is just way too much BS behavioral issues that I don't want my kids exposed to. Every human is biased, but I think there are often legitimate reasons for not wanting to send your kids to some of these schools.

I will tell you why I am hard on you PP. Because you are using only race as the reason for choosing the school, and nothing more. All other things being equal academically, behaviorally, etc. you would just prefer that your child be in an environment where she is in the majority. Guess what, every day she is in the majority. The majority of the people she sees around her are white, the people on TV on white, the majority of the people she sees as leaders and professionals are white. Spending six hours a day in a situation where she is not among the majority will probably be healthy for her.

And you again make statements that a school that is majority black is a school rife with behavioral problems. That is your perception based solely on skin color, and nothing more. It is a "race neutral" code word for what is essentially a racist viewpoint.

I had to laugh at the white woman in the video. A) She really seemed to lack confidence in defending her choices; and B) was concerned about her child be the only white girl in the kindergarten. No one seems as concerned about the only black girl in the kindergarten.

You make some really stupid assumptions.

My perception isn't based on skin color, it's based on my actual experience, and experience of friends and family members.
You can pretend that there aren't behavioral issues at these schools, but that isn't true in most cases.

It sounds like everything is racism to you. I guess what I experienced is just racism on my part lol

It sounds like you have an axe to grind with white people.

And I think you are confusing me with another PP

PP its just another black race baiter so many of them here

You send your kid to the best school period which is directly correlated to SES which is correlated to income

Blacks and to a lesser extent hispanics have lower SES/income which is why people tend to avoid schools with higher percentages of blacks and somewhat hispanics

Blacks do it too. Blacks of means would never dream of sending their kids to public schools in DC or PG county

Diversity for diversity sake is liberal bs. As other posters have hinted if anything diversity for diversities sake inflames racial tensions

Finally looking for more qualified minority candidates is a good thing. Key word is qualified. Affirmative Action has been warped to focus on diversity instead of qualified diversity

Sorry, I'm the PP and I'm white and not a black "race baiter." Until we can guarantee that all children have equal access to a quality public education I will always advocate integration. If you don't like it, I'm sure there are so segregation academies still around.

But I thought the black schools were just as good lol

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Anonymous wrote:So how do you understand racism and explain to your children why our country treats its miniritues so badly?

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The most white guilt DCUM thing ever right here folks and a perfect example of why this site and the limousine liberals that populate it are so divorced from reality

Our country treats its minorities badly what a load of bs

2017 idiots

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I keep wondering who or what a "limousine liberal" is. I don't think I've ever set foot in a limousine, unless you count the SuperShuttle. Not even for prom.

I think you can figure out what a limousine liberal is.

I think we would like for you to explain the term.

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Anonymous wrote:White parents are making decisions based more on the demographics of the school, its racial and SES make-up and not the actual quality of the education the school offers.

All other things being equal, white parents will always choose a predominantly white school over a truly integrated or majority minority school. The social science research bears this out.

White parents somehow equate low-income, high minority schools as "unsafe" or "low quality" when race and income has actually no relationship to the quality of the education a school has on offer.

The decisions white parents are making are based more on emotion and not on logic and rationality. They will accept a large number of Asian students at a school, a certain number of Latino students, but have a low tolerance for black students.

These individual decisions, when carried out across the entire system, strengthen and reinforce the racial and socio-economic inequality that exist in society.

Would an upper/middle income, educated black parent choose to send their children to a high poverty (50%+) FARMS school if they had a choice to send them to a lower FARMS rate school with a bit less diversity?

Yes, we purposely send our kids to a more socioeconomically diverse school. One of the reasons is because we find value in our children being able to interact positively with all kinds of people from all different backgrounds. Another reason is because I know that sending my kids to school with poor kids does not make us poor. At the end of the day, even if I sent my kids to the poorest school in town, my kids are privileged (in terms of wealth) and that does not change because of the school they attend. And the thing is, it doesn't end there for us, I also choose to live in a more socioeconomically diverse neighborhood. We could easily have afforded to spend several times what we did on a house, but we chose where we live because I want my kids to have all of the comfort and safety and privilege that our wealth can offer, but not so much that they are out of touch with those that don't have the same level of wealth.

The irony here is you're objectifying these poor kids. You literally see them as a tool to further your privilege child's education. I wonder if you can appreciate that? It's pretty cynical.

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The irony here is you're objectifying these poor kids. You literally see them as a tool to further your privilege child's education. I wonder if you can appreciate that? It's pretty cynical.

People who think that integration is a crucial part of education can't win here, can we? If we talk about what benefits other kids, then we're sacrificing our own kids on the altar of PC. If we talk about what benefits our own kids, then we're cynically objectifying poor/brown kids.

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I'd like to get to a point where we think of all of them as "our kids," instead of "our kids" and "those other kids." I went to an event at our school last night full of parents and kids of all colors and backgrounds and socioeconomic levels and we all had a fantastic time. We are different in many ways but we all love and celebrate all our kids. When you can get a great education at either an all-rich, nearly all white school or a mixed school, I see why I'd choose the mixed school. Everyone has to consider their own specific options. But I'm really shocked to hear people equate schools with many black or Hispanic kids to dangerous, failing schools. Will you do the same analysis of colleges? Will you research what percentage of kids are black or Hispanic before selecting a college? If you say "well duh, if they can get into that college they must be one of the good ones," then wake up: great kids come in all colors, even in high school.

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Anonymous wrote:I was an UMC kid who went to a diverse school. I think the quality of education was worse. It did make me understand other cultures. While I am not biased, the experience made me a strong Republican and made me work harder/smarter to send my kids to a W school. Many friends from HS echo that experience.

This is similar to my experience. I also went to a diverse but low performing school and it was not ideal. I also worked very very hard and it also made me a strong republican. I think I would have very different political views if it wasn't for the way I grew up. My sisters are older and went to different schools before we moved and they are very different than I am in terms of their school choices and political lean. I am certain it is due to the different environments in which we grew up. My husband and I work very hard to send our kids to an excellent school. It is not diverse. But my concern was only on SES and overall school performance. If that also included it being diverse that would have been a plus but it is rare. But I don't care. I want them to have a better experience than I did and I don't think it will negatively effect the way they interact with other people of different color/SES/religion etc...in fact I think it might be a positive. When you are in school with children who constantly act out because they have no parental support, no focus on education, not enough food etc...I don't believe that is positive. For me, it was a negative and I had to work really hard as a child, young person and adult to reshape my bias.

It is so easy to say how diversity is so important blah blah blah when you haven't actually grown up with any.

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Anonymous wrote:So from what I'm reading everyone will just sacrifice the quality of education their children receive for diversity.

I read a thread recently where someone said they requested to be in a lower rated school instead of the highly rated school they were zoned for so that there would be more diversity.

This is the craziest thing I have heard in a while. So do your children not see any people of different color, religion, SES, country of origin etc... At any sports? Your ? (maybe going to private), the grocery store, life in general?

I would never sacrifice my child's quality of education for anything. They have plenty of friends who are different because they don't go to school 24 hours a day 7 days a week.

Honestly what am I missing here? My children's education is one of the most important things to our family, I can't imagine not caring about the learning my children receive because I care more about the type of kids in the class.

No, not me. Diversity is not THAT important to my family. I want my kids to learn. Don't care about social aspect or being PC.

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No, not me. Diversity is not THAT important to my family. I want my kids to learn. Don't care about social aspect or being PC.

Everybody wants their kids to learn. The question is, what do you want your kids to learn?

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Give me the highest performing, lowest FARMS% school 100 times out of 100. Diversity is a meme at this point. A total crock.

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I go straight to the test scores. I don't need to look at the demographics, test scores will tell me what I want to be honest. Ofcourse they don't tell me if the teachers or instructions are better than in lower performing school, but I have no reason to think they are worse. There are good teachers and not so good teachers in every school. To find the excellent teachers I would have to look for the change over the years in a school, and I haven't found a school that stand out like that. The reason a school like that stands out is because of its rapid demographic change.
My kid is the poor kid and needs to be around high performing kids, and he has and has done well. I can't tell you how well he would've done in a school with not so stellar test score, because we turned down a spot there.

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We didn't go out and specifically choose a diverse school district; we moved here in 2000 before kids, buying what we could afford at the time. And we love our neighborhood and love our diverse schools so much that we chose not to move to a wealthier, whiter neighborhood/school district when our HHI rose, but stayed put and added on to our house. Our kids are doing fine, have good teachers, and are scoring high on standardized tests (96-99th percentile). The diversity of their classrooms is a bonus.

That's our story, OP. Sorry if it bothers you so much that we declined to move to your neck of the woods. I think it's a little bizarre that it does; after all, if everybody tried to move to your school district, it would surely affect the quality of your kid's education.

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diversity overall kill's the quality. i would never put my child into a diverse school. i have been going to a diverse school and it didn't have anything to do with education. they are just multiculti brainwashing factories. every day they would tell us white people are evil and being black is cool. result: the black kids would punch and kick the white kids and the white kids just took it. to scared they would get into trouble if they hit back or would say anything about it.