Hillary just insults a quarter of all Americans

[Anonymous]

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Recognizing that people lie isn't living in La La Land, Einstein. It's a reality. People will quietly vote for Trump. And the ones to worry about are Inds who aren't voting third party. 

If they are quietly voting for him then it shows that they are ashamed to do so.

maybe

But I think some are afraid of saying something, too, fearing that it would result in some ugly (verbal? physical?) confrontation. My friend's husband said he was voting for Trump b/c he's sick of Dems killing off the middle class.

I don't think people are infatuated with Trump, but sometimes change - no matter how destructive it may be - is important in waking us up. We may need to wake up soon b/c these are the worst candidates thus far.

Sometimes you have to fall down hard before you learn your lesson.

But, this change can be too costly for this country.

The middle class has been shrinking for decades now. It has nothing to do with the current administration.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/most-americans-arent-middle-class-anymore/

If you look at the graph that shows the shrinking middle class from 1971 to 2015, the share of the highest, upper middle, and lowest income brackets have grown, with the lower middle staying about the same. And actually, the highest bracket has grown more than any other bracket.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Recognizing that people lie isn't living in La La Land, Einstein. It's a reality. People will quietly vote for Trump. And the ones to worry about are Inds who aren't voting third party. 

If they are quietly voting for him then it shows that they are ashamed to do so.

maybe

But I think some are afraid of saying something, too, fearing that it would result in some ugly (verbal? physical?) confrontation. My friend's husband said he was voting for Trump b/c he's sick of Dems killing off the middle class.

I don't think people are infatuated with Trump, but sometimes change - no matter how destructive it may be - is important in waking us up. We may need to wake up soon b/c these are the worst candidates thus far.

Sometimes you have to fall down hard before you learn your lesson.

Once you cut off your nose to spite your face you are never getting your face back to normal. It is too late.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Recognizing that people lie isn't living in La La Land, Einstein. It's a reality. People will quietly vote for Trump. And the ones to worry about are Inds who aren't voting third party. 

If they are quietly voting for him then it shows that they are ashamed to do so.

maybe

But I think some are afraid of saying something, too, fearing that it would result in some ugly (verbal? physical?) confrontation. My friend's husband said he was voting for Trump b/c he's sick of Dems killing off the middle class.

I don't think people are infatuated with Trump, but sometimes change - no matter how destructive it may be - is important in waking us up. We may need to wake up soon b/c these are the worst candidates thus far.

Sometimes you have to fall down hard before you learn your lesson.

Dems killing off the middle class?
This is the legacy of Fox News et al.

He's tired of the taxes. My mother's a senior citizen and she's tired of being penalized for having saved enough to keep her independent and healthy. There's some truth to what they're saying. The middle class supports the poor and the rich - yet get no breaks.

Again, who will subsidize the state college/university tuition for those making $125K or less? the middle class of course

If this ever transpires, post-secondary institutions will have to rely on themselves, according to Hillary, and states will have to do their parts, she added, to help create a free ride for many people. So schools will have to shave programs to cut corners and raise tuition for those who CAN pay.

All the while, the rich can send their own to elite institutions that many on these boards brag about.

lose-lose for the MC

You can thank the Dems for that. And that was my party for a long, long time.

I am a progressive Dem, but you can thank BOTH parties for that. Republican voters were so happy to get rid of unions when corps convinced them like idiots too. What happened? Wages went down and corporations made more profit. Nothing for the American workers. At the same time, Dems supported trade agreements that again made corps more profit and nothing for American workers.

Don't put that on one party. Corporations own both parties and Donald Trump owns a corporation. What does that tell you? Why would he push through trade legislation that is going to hurt his own company?

[Anonymous]

I agree with her.

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Anonymous wrote:People with dementia say anything that pops into their heads.

I was in a major airport in the south yesterday and the tv at the gate was showing Trump speaking. Everyone was glued to the tv rolling their eyes, cringing and laughing. We were a diverse group and the consensus was that Trump is definitely in the early stages of dementia. He can only manage small sentences/statements. He doesn't make sense. And he comes across as crazy.

I was sitting around a lot of southern republicans who were really tearing into trump. No educated person takes him seriously.

FYSA: we were waiting to board a plane to DC. Based on the chatter, lots of corporate types, lobbyists, and advocates---so, well-educated professionals.

Trump is done. The crazy train was mildly entertaining for a while, but nobody takes this seriously...except of course the lowest element of American society that desperately clings to their whiteness since it's all they really have. Those without intellect, financial stability and power are essentially left with nothing but their whiteness, and it breeds a special kind of xenophobic racism and hatred. And this will be the downfall of America unless we address poverty and income inequality: if the uneducated racists outnumber the rest of us, then we are all screwed.

Continuing to insist that Trump voters are all uneducated racists is the divisiveness that will be the downfall of America. And news flash: income inequality is NOT the major issue, although liberals think so. The major issue is defending this nation from terrorists and enemies. (And I don't understand this income inequality anyway. Some people are just more motivated, capable, and/or intelligent and, while there are exceptions, will tend to earn higher incomes.)

Terrorism is not a top issue. Trump dries nothing on that issue. Trump is not gonna deport illegal immigrants or build the wall because Congress will stop it.

The real issue is machines taking over human jobs and wealthy top guys benefit disproportionately in the new economy. Tell that to Poorly educated Trump voters that Terrorism is big issue. They want jobs and Trump doesn't do that with tax cuts to the wealthy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So Clinton is criticized for not being authentic and being too calculated in what she says, and then she speaks her mind and tells the truth, and now that's a bad thing?

FWIW, the white nationalists like David Duke who support Trump in large numbers ARE racists. The Trump supporters whose main attack on Clinton is to call her a bitch, say she sucks more than Monica, and want to inflict violence on her ARE misogynist. I don't see any issue with calling them out.

Then point to THEM instead of insulting "1/4" of Americans. She - the "educated one" - is no better than Trump in making a sweeping generalization about people.

Ignorance doesn't win against ignorance. Is this what we want for our country? to one up each other?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So Clinton is criticized for not being authentic and being too calculated in what she says, and then she speaks her mind and tells the truth, and now that's a bad thing?

FWIW, the white nationalists like David Duke who support Trump in large numbers ARE racists. The Trump supporters whose main attack on Clinton is to call her a bitch, say she sucks more than Monica, and want to inflict violence on her ARE misogynist. I don't see any issue with calling them out.

Then point to THEM instead of insulting "1/4" of Americans. She - the "educated one" - is no better than Trump in making a sweeping generalization about people.

Ignorance doesn't win against ignorance. Is this what we want for our country? to one up each other?

Have you ever been to a Trump rally or seen video footage of one or even read the reports of journalists attending them? Scary stuff.

She was talking about those people. And saying only half of them are deplorable is being pretty generous.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:People with dementia say anything that pops into their heads.

If you had to deal with someone in your own life who has dementia, you'd know perfectly well that Hillary is just fine. It's not really something to joke about.

You're right, it's a big deal. She needs to release her records, her erratic behavior indicates mental instability to me. Most of all, pathological liar.

Trump? His tax return?

A private matter between him and the IRS. Has nothing to do with running for President.

It is a matter because the Trump slaves should be outraged that master is not paying any taxes while they do. Master is self funding his campaign using the pennies sent by the slaves. Trump send jobs to China and hires foreigners at the cost if American jobs. Trump slaves love their master to con them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So Clinton is criticized for not being authentic and being too calculated in what she says, and then she speaks her mind and tells the truth, and now that's a bad thing?

FWIW, the white nationalists like David Duke who support Trump in large numbers ARE racists. The Trump supporters whose main attack on Clinton is to call her a bitch, say she sucks more than Monica, and want to inflict violence on her ARE misogynist. I don't see any issue with calling them out.

Then point to THEM instead of insulting "1/4" of Americans. She - the "educated one" - is no better than Trump in making a sweeping generalization about people.

Ignorance doesn't win against ignorance. Is this what we want for our country? to one up each other?

Have you ever been to a Trump rally or seen video footage of one or even read the reports of journalists attending them? Scary stuff.

She was talking about those people. And saying only half of them are deplorable is being pretty generous.

She gets the obese female vote. But I would never call those people "deplorable."

[Anonymous]

People living in deplorable baskets don't appreciate rhetorical devices? Hmmm. Whoda thunk?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So Clinton is criticized for not being authentic and being too calculated in what she says, and then she speaks her mind and tells the truth, and now that's a bad thing?

FWIW, the white nationalists like David Duke who support Trump in large numbers ARE racists. The Trump supporters whose main attack on Clinton is to call her a bitch, say she sucks more than Monica, and want to inflict violence on her ARE misogynist. I don't see any issue with calling them out.

Then point to THEM instead of insulting "1/4" of Americans. She - the "educated one" - is no better than Trump in making a sweeping generalization about people.

Ignorance doesn't win against ignorance. Is this what we want for our country? to one up each other?

Have you ever been to a Trump rally or seen video footage of one or even read the reports of journalists attending them? Scary stuff.

She was talking about those people. And saying only half of them are deplorable is being pretty generous.

She gets the obese female vote. But I would never call those people "deplorable."

Were those obese females spewing hate?

[Anonymous]

Stolen from Twitter:

To clarify: it was okay for Reagan to call black women lazy welfare moochers, but not for Hillary to call white nationalists "deplorable"?

But no, I get it. Basket of deplorables is clearly the most toxic line of the campaign cycle. Way worse than, say, calling Mexicans rapists.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So Clinton is criticized for not being authentic and being too calculated in what she says, and then she speaks her mind and tells the truth, and now that's a bad thing?

FWIW, the white nationalists like David Duke who support Trump in large numbers ARE racists. The Trump supporters whose main attack on Clinton is to call her a bitch, say she sucks more than Monica, and want to inflict violence on her ARE misogynist. I don't see any issue with calling them out.

Then point to THEM instead of insulting "1/4" of Americans. She - the "educated one" - is no better than Trump in making a sweeping generalization about people.

Ignorance doesn't win against ignorance. Is this what we want for our country? to one up each other?

Have you ever been to a Trump rally or seen video footage of one or even read the reports of journalists attending them? Scary stuff.

She was talking about those people. And saying only half of them are deplorable is being pretty generous.

No

You don't attack people. Even if people are calling her a fat pig or a demented old lady, she - the supposed role model - shouldn't stoop down to his level. And she's almost there. She's dividing the country, too, with her rhetoric.

It's not acceptable in her case either.

But you're saying a tit for tat is fine.

That's what's wrong with American.

So we need to implode - which will happen soon enough - before we can build ourselves back up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Recognizing that people lie isn't living in La La Land, Einstein. It's a reality. People will quietly vote for Trump. And the ones to worry about are Inds who aren't voting third party. 

If they are quietly voting for him then it shows that they are ashamed to do so.

maybe

But I think some are afraid of saying something, too, fearing that it would result in some ugly (verbal? physical?) confrontation. My friend's husband said he was voting for Trump b/c he's sick of Dems killing off the middle class.

I don't think people are infatuated with Trump, but sometimes change - no matter how destructive it may be - is important in waking us up. We may need to wake up soon b/c these are the worst candidates thus far.

Sometimes you have to fall down hard before you learn your lesson.

Dems killing off the middle class?
This is the legacy of Fox News et al.

He's tired of the taxes. My mother's a senior citizen and she's tired of being penalized for having saved enough to keep her independent and healthy. There's some truth to what they're saying. The middle class supports the poor and the rich - yet get no breaks.

Again, who will subsidize the state college/university tuition for those making $125K or less? the middle class of course

If this ever transpires, post-secondary institutions will have to rely on themselves, according to Hillary, and states will have to do their parts, she added, to help create a free ride for many people. So schools will have to shave programs to cut corners and raise tuition for those who CAN pay.

All the while, the rich can send their own to elite institutions that many on these boards brag about.

lose-lose for the MC

You can thank the Dems for that. And that was my party for a long, long time.

I am a progressive Dem, but you can thank BOTH parties for that. Republican voters were so happy to get rid of unions when corps convinced them like idiots too. What happened? Wages went down and corporations made more profit. Nothing for the American workers. At the same time, Dems supported trade agreements that again made corps more profit and nothing for American workers.

Don't put that on one party. Corporations own both parties and Donald Trump owns a corporation. What does that tell you? Why would he push through trade legislation that is going to hurt his own company?

Repubs like free trade more than Dems. More Repubs voted for NAFTA than Dems. This is another bald face lie by Trump.

It was under Reagan that the NAFTA ball started rolling and manufacturing jobs started going down south. Even Trump has admitted to that.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/05/09/history-lesson-more-republicans-than-democrats-supported-nafta/

"Bill Clinton was certainly a supporter of NAFTA who pushed approval through Congress. But it was negotiated and signed by President George H.W. Bush. Moreover, more Republicans than Democrats voted for the deal, as the trade pact was vehemently opposed by labor unions. One key ally for Clinton was then-House Minority Whip (and later House speaker) Newt Gingrich (R-Ga.),..

In the House, NAFTA passed 234-200; 132 Republicans and 102 Democrats voted in favor of it. The Senate approved NAFTA 61-38, with the backing of 34 Republicans and 27 Democrats."

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/26/politics/donald-trump-when-america-was-great/index.html

Trump: "As much as I liked Ronald Reagan, he started NAFTA,"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So Clinton is criticized for not being authentic and being too calculated in what she says, and then she speaks her mind and tells the truth, and now that's a bad thing?

FWIW, the white nationalists like David Duke who support Trump in large numbers ARE racists. The Trump supporters whose main attack on Clinton is to call her a bitch, say she sucks more than Monica, and want to inflict violence on her ARE misogynist. I don't see any issue with calling them out.

Then point to THEM instead of insulting "1/4" of Americans. She - the "educated one" - is no better than Trump in making a sweeping generalization about people.

Ignorance doesn't win against ignorance. Is this what we want for our country? to one up each other?

Have you ever been to a Trump rally or seen video footage of one or even read the reports of journalists attending them? Scary stuff.

She was talking about those people. And saying only half of them are deplorable is being pretty generous.

No

You don't attack people. Even if people are calling her a fat pig or a demented old lady, she - the supposed role model - shouldn't stoop down to his level. And she's almost there. She's dividing the country, too, with her rhetoric.

It's not acceptable in her case either.

But you're saying a tit for tat is fine.

That's what's wrong with American.

So we need to implode - which will happen soon enough - before we can build ourselves back up.

Calling a racist deplorable is not the equivalent of calling Clinton a fat bitch. Merriam-Webster definition of deplorable: lamentable or deserving censure or contempt. I totally agree that racists and homophobes and misogynists are lamentable and deserving of censure.

Would you decry politicians of the 1950s and 60s who called the segregationists and lynchers deplorable? I admire those who spoke out against the racists of those times.