Asian-American Groups Accuse Brown, Dartmouth, and Yale of Bias in Admissions

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It's violin or private lessons for piano. Asian children learn piano too. Don't forget piano.

well- my dd asked to play the violin or piano b/c its the only instruments she's heard of- my nephew played trumpet and switched to bass and is in band. we are Asian. Most kids start off on piano and violin-

I remember quite clearly being told by my 7th grade history teacher that Asian tiger economies weren't a threat and we were lucky to be in school in america ( most of the class was irish catholic- private school) b/c asian kids have no leadership skills and aren't creative. Thats pretty devastating at that age. And college admissions people and art directer sand film producers believe it.
I'm so sick of hearing this BS about asians not being creative or leaders- yeah studio ghibli is white, there are no thriving film industries in Asia, no pop music,, Thakoon is just some random white guy with a funny name- he's not Thai at all, Jhumpa Lahiri is not asian obviously,Freddy Mercury was horrifically generic , Ismail Merchant was a slave to tradition as he produced lovely ground breaking films whilst being an Indian Muslim gay man married to James Ivory oh and lets not forget Kazuo Ishiguro- what a violin obsessed robot. All these stereotypes are RACIST- Asian Americans are VERY aware of these racist tendencies and push their kids towards STEM because there is a perception that these fields are more merit based. There are tons of Indian Americans at DOJ and very few as partners in private law firms not b/c they can't hack it but b/c they figure law partners are more racist than the DOJ. Racism by whites is why Asian Americans make these choices. And now White ppl are freaking out because we are sick of it- so we go to medical school and write new york times best sellers anyway (RIP Paul Kalinithi)- we want to be in front of the camera, writing the books, creating the sculptures and we can just as much as anyone else and that has whites pissed off- they don't want us to compete against them in 'their' area of expertise: The HUMANITIES b/c that would mean admitting non westerners are just as HUMAN. Has anyone noticed that Jazz which is just as technically complex and sophisticated as Mozart or Bach is not recognized as equally as prestigious- AA amazing contributions to culture are dismissed as 'popular' and not taken as seriously. So don't use that as an example.

Wow. Ramble incoherantly much? Stream of consciousness writing/ranting are not your friends.

Since this comment is one long rant, I picked a random spot to start my response: most people consider American jazz to be a very well respected art form. My DC plays an instrument in his MS jazz band-- an extracurricular available at many schools in this area and devoted to promoting exposure to and enjoyment of jazz. At DC's 1/2 Asian school, only a very small number of the jazz band students are Asian (maybe 10% or less). In fact--since you love jazz so much, PP, you might want to check out the Westfield HS jazzfest this Friday evening. It's an event that brings together the many MS and HS jazz bands in the area.

But I have no idea what this has to do with Asian college admission. :?:

I got you 20:51. American culture doesn't give Asians space to be themselves and assigns them a "sidekick" role. Like with Jews in the 1920s, white people see another group encroaching on what they believe to be their's whether it's law firms or elite colleges and they subtly attack that group's capabilities.

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Also after reading this story, got me thinking negative perceptions start young:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/05/23/after-years-of-alleged-bullying-an-ohio-teen-killed-herself-is-her-school-district-responsible/?bv=0frnuxV1Mpv

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Judiasm is a religion and culture, not a race. When you check the race box on the admissions form, most Jews check white, correct? And there is no way to know whether an individual is Jewish in admissions (or after admission) unless the self-identify. A Jewish individual who did not want his or her faith considered could go through the entire application process and start college without the school knowing, if the so chose. For all intents and purposes in college admission, most Jews are white. Or am I missing something? I have certainly worked with people and had it be several months before I learned they were (practicing, but not very devout) Jews.

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Anonymous wrote:Judiasm is a religion and culture, not a race. When you check the race box on the admissions form, most Jews check white, correct? And there is no way to know whether an individual is Jewish in admissions (or after admission) unless the self-identify. A Jewish individual who did not want his or her faith considered could go through the entire application process and start college without the school knowing, if the so chose. For all intents and purposes in college admission, most Jews are white. Or am I missing something? I have certainly worked with people and had it be several months before I learned they were (practicing, but not very devout) Jews.

Yes, a Jewish person could hide their religious belief, but an Asian American can't hide the fact that the person is Asian. Hence, it's worse for Asian Americans.

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Anonymous wrote:Judiasm is a religion and culture, not a race. When you check the race box on the admissions form, most Jews check white, correct? And there is no way to know whether an individual is Jewish in admissions (or after admission) unless the self-identify. A Jewish individual who did not want his or her faith considered could go through the entire application process and start college without the school knowing, if the so chose. For all intents and purposes in college admission, most Jews are white. Or am I missing something? I have certainly worked with people and had it be several months before I learned they were (practicing, but not very devout) Jews.

Yes, a Jewish person could hide their religious belief, but an Asian American can't hide the fact that the person is Asian. Hence, it's worse for Asian Americans.

Same for African American skin color.

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Anonymous wrote:Judiasm is a religion and culture, not a race. When you check the race box on the admissions form, most Jews check white, correct? And there is no way to know whether an individual is Jewish in admissions (or after admission) unless the self-identify. A Jewish individual who did not want his or her faith considered could go through the entire application process and start college without the school knowing, if the so chose. For all intents and purposes in college admission, most Jews are white. Or am I missing something? I have certainly worked with people and had it be several months before I learned they were (practicing, but not very devout) Jews.

Yes, a Jewish person could hide their religious belief, but an Asian American can't hide the fact that the person is Asian. Hence, it's worse for Asian Americans.

Same for African American skin color.

And for short people too, especially redhaired.

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And those with serious extra pounds. Discrimination has no boundaries and not restricted to one ethnic group.

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Above is all very true, but the discrimination in elite universities are towards Asian Americans, not any of the other groups. Actually, seems like if you are African American, you have a better chance than an Asian American.

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There should be nowhere to indicate race on college applications. The color of ones skin has zero relevance. Socioeconomic status is the source of true disadvantage.

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Anonymous wrote:There should be nowhere to indicate race on college applications. The color of ones skin has zero relevance. Socioeconomic status is the source of true disadvantage.

often times, names give it away. I think they should just assign a number to the applicant. Forget the name.

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Anonymous wrote:I am mixed on the issue. On one hand, I definitely see their point. On the other side, what happens to African Americans and Hispanics who get bonus points to their score for their minority status. Do you change the criteria for universities to allow one group to have more students, Asians, knowing the ruling would really harm another minority group, African American and Hispanic.

Funny. I didn't know trying to account for centuries of institutionalized oppression and equities is considered receiving "bonus points." Guess those Browns kids are lucky. What is their representation % in Ivies again?

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I think Asian Americans may have a case. If they can prove that these Schools intentionally went against its internal admissions criteria to NOT select Asians, then this is entirely unfair. Something tells me though, that this is not the case.

If the thought is that you deserve admissions over another person simply because you have higher test scores, which I suspect is really the issue here, then this is a meaningless issue.

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Anonymous wrote:I think Asian Americans may have a case. If they can prove that these Schools intentionally went against its internal admissions criteria to NOT select Asians, then this is entirely unfair. Something tells me though, that this is not the case.

If the thought is that you deserve admissions over another person simply because you have higher test scores, which I suspect is really the issue here, then this is a meaningless issue.

I believe Asian Americans will be able to make such a case, because it's pretty obvious to anyone with some experience in Admissions.

Same as what happened with Jewish students decades ago.

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One of my many problems with these posts is that they op seems to refer to African Americans as though they are the sole cause for limited number of Asian Americans not getting in. I don't care how many times you say this or how many threads you start. The legacy and international students account for 20-25 percent alone while African Americans are between 5-8 percent of elite schools.

Also, a perfect test score often means years of studying. How should that be the deciding factor? That is what you are arguing?

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Anonymous wrote:One of my many problems with these posts is that they op seems to refer to African Americans as though they are the sole cause for limited number of Asian Americans not getting in. I don't care how many times you say this or how many threads you start. The legacy and international students account for 20-25 percent alone while African Americans are between 5-8 percent of elite schools.

Also, a perfect test score often means years of studying. How should that be the deciding factor? That is what you are arguing?

As an Asian American, I don't think it's the *sole* cause. There are white kids with less than stellar grades/scores getting in above Asian American kids with more impressive e.c., grades, scores. That's also the issue. And also, there are white students who have sued colleges for this same thing:

http://college.usatoday.com/2015/06/29/supreme-court-will-re-hear-university-of-texas-affirmative-action-case/