Egypt Air Flight has disappeared from radar

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Lighters aren't permitted on US flights. My husbands very nice lighter (fancier than Zippo) was taken by TSA last week.

Per the TSA website lighters are allowed without lighter fuel. Go look.

Why on earth would we go through all these security checks just to allow someone on a place with a lighter? They could set their phone battery on fire & create a small explosion. Cmon.

[Anonymous]

I'm also wondering if it was mechanical failure. None of the usual suspects have been crowing.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let's all say it together:

President Trump.
January, 20, 2017

Trump has already called this terrorism. If it turns out to be a mechanical failure, Congress will have to launch a 3-year investigation into it.

Boom. Drop the Mic moment!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lighters aren't permitted on US flights. My husbands very nice lighter (fancier than Zippo) was taken by TSA last week.

Per the TSA website lighters are allowed without lighter fuel. Go look.

Why on earth would we go through all these security checks just to allow someone on a place with a lighter? They could set their phone battery on fire & create a small explosion. Cmon.

Per the TSA:

"Lighters
Lighters without fuel are permitted in checked baggage. Lighters with fuel are prohibited in checked baggage, unless they adhere to the Department of Transportation exemption, which allows up to two fueled lighters if properly enclosed in a DOT approved case."

Fueled lighters are permitted as carry-on. Cans of fuel are not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pan Am 103 did not break up immediately. After the bomb blew a less than 2 foot hole in the fuselage, the nose cone/cockpit peeled away. Intact. When it fully disengaged, it struck engine number 3 and fell. It crashed into the ground largely intact.

The remainder of the airframe separated into 3 pieces. 3. Not a bazillion. 3. All of which crashed in almost the same location.

Many of the people on board pan am 103 lived until it hit the ground.

Do you remember the Hawaiian Air incident. A full third of the airframe skin peeled off and away and the aircraft landed safely.

TWA 800? A massive explosion, yet large parts of the airframe remained intact until it hit the water.

I didn't say anything about a bazillion pieces. Pan Am 103 did break into thousands of pieces, even though there were a few very large chunks. The data I looked at says the front end of the aircraft broke away within 3 seconds of the explosion. It also says this "At this time a loud sound was recorded on the cockpit voice recorder (CVR) at 19:02:50. Five radar echoes fanning out appeared, instead of one.[12][13] Comparison of the cockpit voice recorder to the radar returns showed that, eight seconds after the explosion, the wreckage had a 1-nautical-mile (1.9 km) spread."

Go watch any of the animations recreating what happened on that flight. You will see first the who; being blown open in the lower port side cargo area. Then the cladding of the fuselage peels of. Then parts of the aluminum tube and large segments of aluminum skin. Then the cockpit tears away. Most of these thousand of pieces were exterior portions. You will see that the fuselage remains largely intact with the cabin, wings and tail portion all as an integral unit. It is after the cockpit is torn off and the airframe begins a starboard roll that the cabin , wings and tail section break away from each other.

As for the 3 to 8 seconds not being immediate? That's really a pretty long time. In terms of distance, 3 seconds is roughly 1/2 a mile and 8 seconds is 1.25 miles. Just count, it is longer than you think.

The good news is that people would lose consciousness very quick once the cabin opened up. So while they may have been alive while plummeting to earth, they were not aware of what was occurring.

I don't understand why 3 seconds or 8 seconds would not be considered immediate.

[Anonymous]

The wreckage spanned a mile in 8 seconds. It doesn't say that it broke apart eight seconds later. I'm not going to argue with you, but I disagree that isn't immediate. If the data from smoke detectors is being sent via wifi, I don't understand how that's possible when they plane is breaking apart. There are communication systems, electrical systems and a loss of cabin pressure. Wouldn't losing cabin pressure cause a strong suction that pulled the air out of the cabin, and away from smoke detectors?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one has claimed responsibility. I think it was some sort of mechanical error/fire/etc.

Could be a lone wolf? Here's my crazy thought-what about an iPhone? All our phones have lithium batteries right and phones can explode.

And my crazy thought is a hoverboard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The wreckage spanned a mile in 8 seconds. It doesn't say that it broke apart eight seconds later. I'm not going to argue with you, but I disagree that isn't immediate. If the data from smoke detectors is being sent via wifi, I don't understand how that's possible when they plane is breaking apart. There are communication systems, electrical systems and a loss of cabin pressure. Wouldn't losing cabin pressure cause a strong suction that pulled the air out of the cabin, and away from smoke detectors?

Look at the recreation. The airframe remained intact. The skin (the outer aluminum skin peeled away and broke apart. Both wings hit in the same crater. The passenger cabin hits in that crater. Yes. Thousand of pieces as the outer shell was shredded. And it is over a mile in 8 seconds because that is what happens when you are traveling at 550 mph. Momentum takes over.

Here is the National Geographic animation of that flight. You will notice thousand of piece and an intact cockpit and airframe after the two had seperated. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRYLOs5JAGA

Eventually, the smoke would clear. But it is funny how these things work. Where is the fuselage break. Where is the fire? Are they connected? How did it start?

Passenger aircraft are enormous. A bomb that would bring it down is nowhere near big enough to blow it to bits. And commercial aircraft are very strong. Even if you pack the cargo hold full of explosives, you would end up with large portions intact.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lighters aren't permitted on US flights. My husbands very nice lighter (fancier than Zippo) was taken by TSA last week.

Per the TSA website lighters are allowed without lighter fuel. Go look.

Why on earth would we go through all these security checks just to allow someone on a place with a lighter? They could set their phone battery on fire & create a small explosion. Cmon.

Per the TSA:

"Lighters
Lighters without fuel are permitted in checked baggage. Lighters with fuel are prohibited in checked baggage, unless they adhere to the Department of Transportation exemption, which allows up to two fueled lighters if properly enclosed in a DOT approved case."

Fueled lighters are permitted as carry-on. Cans of fuel are not.

Feel better?

[Anonymous]

Given there is now a lot of radio silence re: the idea of terrorism as well as further findings, I believe the truth will be buried with the victims.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Given there is now a lot of radio silence re: the idea of terrorism as well as further findings, I believe the truth will be buried with the victims.

The black box might help too

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Given there is now a lot of radio silence re: the idea of terrorism as well as further findings, I believe the truth will be buried with the victims.

I'm certain very few air disasters have been completely figured out in 3 days. Chill. The pieces of the plane need to be retrieved and analyzed before they can say anything for sure. I think the time difference is making it difficult for the 24 hours news networks to talk about updates and theories incessantly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The wreckage spanned a mile in 8 seconds. It doesn't say that it broke apart eight seconds later. I'm not going to argue with you, but I disagree that isn't immediate. If the data from smoke detectors is being sent via wifi, I don't understand how that's possible when they plane is breaking apart. There are communication systems, electrical systems and a loss of cabin pressure. Wouldn't losing cabin pressure cause a strong suction that pulled the air out of the cabin, and away from smoke detectors?

Look at the recreation. The airframe remained intact. The skin (the outer aluminum skin peeled away and broke apart. Both wings hit in the same crater. The passenger cabin hits in that crater. Yes. Thousand of pieces as the outer shell was shredded. And it is over a mile in 8 seconds because that is what happens when you are traveling at 550 mph. Momentum takes over.

Here is the National Geographic animation of that flight. You will notice thousand of piece and an intact cockpit and airframe after the two had seperated. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRYLOs5JAGA

Eventually, the smoke would clear. But it is funny how these things work. Where is the fuselage break. Where is the fire? Are they connected? How did it start?

Passenger aircraft are enormous. A bomb that would bring it down is nowhere near big enough to blow it to bits. And commercial aircraft are very strong. Even if you pack the cargo hold full of explosives, you would end up with large portions intact.

The animation was slower than reality. I'm not saying the Egytian flight broke into a thousand equally sized pieces or all at once. I'm saying the I don't think the Pan Am flight broke up quickly enough to not set off smoke alarms in the bathroom and relay that info to a satellite. I am not an aviation engineer, but how well is the computer, transmission and electrical systems going to work if the front end of a plane breaks off? The Pan Am flight was on a larger aircraft. I am aware that the satellite technology on the Pan Am plane was nothing like we have now.

[Anonymous]

I used a double negative. I meant to say it broke up quickly enough to avoid setting off smoke detectors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Given there is now a lot of radio silence re: the idea of terrorism as well as further findings, I believe the truth will be buried with the victims.

I'm certain very few air disasters have been completely figured out in 3 days. Chill. The pieces of the plane need to be retrieved and analyzed before they can say anything for sure. I think the time difference is making it difficult for the 24 hours news networks to talk about updates and theories incessantly.

And please, if you must speculate at all, use the term "security issue."