Ben Carson and the Holocaust
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LOL! Get these "Constitutional Conservatives" and libertarians away from their conservative blogs and their talk radio and their cozy little Glenn Beck bubble of delusion and out into the real world, and they get an instant smackdown.
Sorry, folks, but Glenn Beck and others of his ilk COUNT on you dupes to be uninformed and gullible. And it works every time. |
Anonymous
The issue was not about harvesting. It was about finishing and unions. That is exactly what Bob explained to me. He was confident they'd get their wood back. They did. The Feds could not prove their case. Period. End of. They had to give back all the wood. If there was a case against Gibson, they would still have the damn wood. Kind of like Michael Brown. The [corrupt] justice department had to give up on that too. The fact is, we are living with a government out of control. The laws broken weren't even ours, and both Madagascar and India backed Gibson. It's also no accident that Gibson is located in a Right to Work state... "These raids were conducted due to the Lacey Act, which bans the importing of certain woods. The issue at hand was not that the wood was endangered or illegally harvested, but that it was not of the proper thickness that would have meant that some labor had been performed on it by workers in India and Madagascar. This was the law in Madagascar and India as a nod to the unions in those countries. Gibson, who hand-makes its guitars, cannot guarantee the craftsmanship of its products if a portion of the work is done outside their facilities. What raised many eyebrows about this governmental action was that the countries involved, India and Madagascar, indicated that they were not interested in pursuing the matter when contacted by the Department of Justice. Also, even if Gibson had been guilty, this would have been a civil, not a criminal matter. Finally, this same kind of tonewood is used by other guitar makers such as CF Martin and Company and Fender. Those other companies were not raided. Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2014/02/what_gibson_guitars_did_with_the_wood_the_government_returned.html#ixzz3obFUySIM Follow us: @AmericanThinker on Twitter | AmericanThinker on Facebook |
Anonymous
So you can't really refute the facts. Got it. Otherwise you'd answer the question about how The Bern plans on getting Hollywood to pay up. |
Anonymous
Can you tell me how you are going to get Hollywood elites to pay up? |
Anonymous
You'll have to ask an actual libertarian. I'm a Constitutional conservative and I do believe that means I believe in a limited government. A Constitutional Republic. |
Anonymous
Who said I want it thrown away? I don't want it ABUSED and used against the people. The larger government gets, the more powerful it gets, the more abusive it gets. Can you do something besides assume? |
Anonymous
More lies! They had to forfeit the ebony. http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/gibson-guitar-corp-agrees-resolve-investigation-lacey-act-violations |
Anonymous
LMAO! You're backpedaling. You just got done going on a tirade referring to government tax collections being coercion and confiscation and equating it to piracy on the high seas. I didn't have to "assume" anything, I merely had to use your own inflammatory, over-the-top language. |
Anonymous
Cop out. Lame. And again, what your vision would lead to is a loose balkanized collection of weak states - maybe you'd like to go back to the good old days where states individually weren't even strong enough to deal with Barbary Pirates, you forgot that these problems were only solved when we worked together via federal government? |
Anonymous
Plenty of ways you could do that, starting with severely restricting and penalizing offshoring of money and offering a grace period with an opportunity to repatriate offshore money - then you eliminate the gazillion loopholes that have been created in the tax code for the rich, et cetera. It's not like they are going to pack up and leave - Hollywood is here, and the market is here. Leaving would be cutting your nose off to spite your face. There's plenty of millions still to be made, no need to be greedy. And frankly 99% of America doesn't give a shit and has zero sympathy if you think you have a hardship case because you only ended up with $60 million instead of $80 million. But that said, frankly I'm a lot more concerned with hedge fund traders than I am with Hollywood - at least the guys in Hollywood CREATE something useful and interesting for the world, as opposed to just getting rich via smoke and mirrors, market manipulation and insanity like putting institutional retirement funds at risk. Again, we still need to go after the Wall Street assholes that crashed the economy in 2008. They are still responsible for 13 trillion in personal wealth that went up in smoke due to their deranged gambling with banks and mortgages. It's not too much to expect them to make good on restoring some of that. |
Anonymous
So you bring the money back in (isn't this a republican thing?) so you can then tax it? The moment tax rates become high here, you'll see these folk simply picking up and moving somewhere else. 60 million vs. 100 million? Try 1 million verses 100 million. Not looking so good now. You're more concerned about hedge fund managers? So now we are going to pick and choose WHO to tax? Plenty of millions? How are you going to get people to produce if what they produce is confiscated by government for the public welfare? Do you think that Hollywood is going to put all that time and money into a movie knowing that 90% + of what they do is going to government? Why would they? In Sander's world, Vegas would not be allowed - all those hotel/casinos would be turned into housing for the poor. Ironic too, that Sanders stood in the city that capitalism built, enjoying the luxuries it brings, while telling the people they need to be robbed of the products of their own hard work. That's socialism for you - creates an elite ruling class, consisting of government, and the people suffer. |
Anonymous
You keep shouting LIES while not really reading what you are posting. It's really humorous, given the Justice Dept. would have pressed charges that there been something there. Furthermore, the raiding of a company with automatic weapons - TWICE - over an alleged violation of the Lacey Act? Seriously? Note the following in the Justice Dept document: “We’re pleased that Gibson Guitar Corp. has recognized its duties under the Lacey Act to guard against the acquisition of wood of illegal origin from threatened forests and has taken responsibility for actions that may have contributed to the unlawful export and exploitation of wood from some of the world’s most threatened forests.” Gibson has ceased acquisitions of wood species from Madagascar and recognizes its duty under the U.S. Lacey Act to guard against the acquisition of wood of illegal origin by verifying the circumstances of its harvest and export, which is good for American business and American consumers.” Furthermore, it was Gibson's suppliers that were importing the boards and it was the importer that was breaking the law: The Madagascar ebony fingerboard blanks were ordered from a supplier who obtained them from an exporter in Madagascar. The Madagascar exporter did not have authority to export ebony fingerboard blanks after the law issued in Madagascar in 2006. The laws broken were by the supplier. Which is why the government could not legally pursue. It was all about harassment and not about the ebony. Right-to-Work state, etc. Go hug a tree! |
Anonymous
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^ HELLOOOOOO Cognitive dissonance there? Justice DID cite the charges and Gibson DID acknowledge wrongdoing and DID agree to change its ways.
That totally goes against your narrative that it was baseless and that Gibson did no wrong and that Gibson "got its wood back" and that Gibson was allowed to go on with its business just as before. Clearly none of that is the case. |
Anonymous
That's called a settlement. If you go in, guns blazing - twice, no less - you'd best be ready to file charges. This was blackmail. Gestapo techniques |
Anonymous
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Oh, please, there were no "guns blazing."
If it were truly such an open-and-shut slam dunk for Gibson that they did no wrongdoing, they would have nailed it in the courts. You don't admit wrongdoing when you did no wrong. |