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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=jsteele][quote=Anonymous]
I'm very familiar with thus case and the CEOs trust me, what the press says and what happened is not congruent. Everyone knows he was singled out, targeted, and hung out to dry. [/quote]

Well, if "everyone" knows it, that settles it. Certainly, we should trust "everyone" rather than what we read in the press.

BTW, I am also very familiar with the case. I visited the Memphis plant a few days before it was raided. I own two Gibson guitars and followed the case very closely. The violations discovered in the second round of raids were clearly justified by the false paperwork used to import the wood. It turned out that the violations were not that severe and that the Indian government probably didn't care in the first place. That is probably why the case was settled favorably to Gibson.

Henry Juszkiewicz made a huge mistake by running to the right-wingers and acting like a victim of an over-zealous government. He alienated guitar players who care about the environment. In contrast, companies like Taylor and Martin who are much more forward thinking. That's why I bought a Taylor at that time.
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Use your damn head. When you are raided by a SWAT team for freaking fingerboards - twice - it's not about wood. Bob Taylor himself told me that they get their wood the same way that Gibson does, and he didn't understand it. The Indian government disputes the 'false paperwork' and the government admits 'confusion'.

Yet it was only Gibson raided, and only Gibson that had to pay settle and be financially raped in order to get their wood back.  There is no need to go into a guitar factory - twice - at gunpoint.

Gibson only alienated progressive guitar players who believe the media.  [/quote]

Bullshit.  This extended video from Bob Taylor completely an thoroughly refutes your claim.  They absolutely do not get their wood the same way.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=anCGvfsBoFY[/youtube][/quote]

The issue was not about harvesting. It was about finishing and unions. That is exactly what Bob explained to me. He was confident they'd get their wood back. They did.

The Feds could not prove their case. Period. End of. They had to give back all the wood. If there was a case against Gibson, they would still have the damn wood.

Kind of like Michael Brown. The [corrupt] justice department had to give up on that too.  The fact is, we are living with a government out of control. The laws broken weren't even ours, and both Madagascar and India backed Gibson.

It's also no accident that Gibson is located in a Right to Work state...

"These raids were conducted due to the Lacey Act, which bans the importing of certain woods.  The issue at hand was not that the wood was endangered or illegally harvested, but that it was not of the proper thickness that would have meant that some labor had been performed on it by workers in India and Madagascar.  This was the law in Madagascar and India as a nod to the unions in those countries.  Gibson, who hand-makes its guitars, cannot guarantee the craftsmanship of its products if a portion of the work is done outside their facilities.

What raised many eyebrows about this governmental action was that the countries involved, India and Madagascar, indicated that they were not interested in pursuing the matter when contacted by the Department of Justice.  Also, even if Gibson had been guilty, this would have been a civil, not a criminal matter.  Finally, this same kind of tonewood is used by other guitar makers such as CF Martin and Company and Fender.  Those other companies were not raided.

Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2014/02/what_gibson_guitars_did_with_the_wood_the_government_returned.html#ixzz3obFUySIM 
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More lies!  They had to forfeit the ebony.  http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/gibson-guitar-corp-agrees-resolve-investigation-lacey-act-violations

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You keep shouting LIES while not really reading what you are posting. It's really humorous, given the Justice Dept. would have pressed charges that there been something there. Furthermore, the raiding of a company with automatic weapons - TWICE - over an alleged violation of the Lacey Act? Seriously?

Note the following in the Justice Dept document:

“We’re pleased that Gibson Guitar Corp. has recognized its duties under the Lacey Act t[b]o guard against [/b]the acquisition of wood of illegal origin from threatened forests and has taken responsibility for actions [b]that may have contributed to[/b] the unlawful export and exploitation of wood from some of the world’s most threatened forests.”

Gibson has [b]ceased acquisitions of wood species from Madagascar[/b] and recognizes its duty under the U.S. Lacey Act to guard against the acquisition of wood of illegal origin by verifying the circumstances of its harvest and export, which is good for American business and American consumers.”

Furthermore, it was Gibson's suppliers that were importing the boards and it was the importer that was breaking the law:

The Madagascar ebony fingerboard blanks were ordered from a supplier who obtained them from an exporter in Madagascar. The Madagascar exporter did not have authority to export ebony fingerboard blanks after the law issued in Madagascar in 2006.

The laws broken were by the supplier. Which is why the government could not legally pursue. It was all about harassment and not about the ebony. Right-to-Work state, etc.

Go hug a tree!
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