JKLM residents are killing elementaries in lower NW

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OOB with sub goes in before IB for dual langauge programs

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Anonymous wrote:Don't most jklm do private preschool?

Yes, absolutely for age 3. I have never once met a person in my Murch boundary neighborhood who has cast about the city for a free spot in a DCPS for pk3.

For age four, I have met two household IB for Murch who sent their kids -- interestingly, both families had twins -- to Hearst for pk4. One of these families did this about 8 years ago, the other, more recently.

It's not a common thing in these parts, at all.

Fight by anecdote! I know several Upper NW families that used public schools for PK3, and many who sent their kids to other schools for PK4 because they couldn't get into their IB school. So by my limited experience it must be a very common thing!

"upper NW" isn't the same as Ward 3.

How many families do you know who own homes in 20015 or 20016 and send their kids across the city for pk3? Be honest.

We do....20016 code.

No you don't. No way.

New poster. Also own a house in 20016, have high HHI, and drive my kid across the park for a non-language-immersion PK3.

Your HHI can't be that "high" if you really make that schlep for free Powell, passing by St. Columba's on the way.

Is it really so inconceivable to you that someone would make this choice? I find that sad.

It is sad that you make this choice when you have the money for better options. In this (rare) case I do think you are 'stealing a seat', but also, parents like you are probably helping keep the system accountable to parents who aren't as appropriately responsible and communicative re: their children.

I would be annoyed as hell to not get into my local school because of a parent like you, commuting so far who may not be keeping your child there beyond pk, yet I also acknowledge you are part of the reason the school may be improving.

It's also an indicator this isn't 'your community' if you don't move and mix with the other parents on a regular basis. Are you hanging out at barbeques, playdates and parties in se/me? Are these your people?

No one is being kept out of their local school because of someone coming in OOB. Not anywhere. IB children in DCPS have first priority.

It's shocking to see how much misinformation is fueling the hostility here, both regarding the way the OOB system works and regarding the perceived universality of wealth in Ward 3.

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For language schools don't oob with sibling have preference?

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Anonymous wrote:For language schools don't oob with sibling have preference?

In that scenario, however, you are talking about OOB families who don't just use the school for a year or two of PreK. If they can take advantage of sibling preference, they are staying at the school longer. So this is really irrelevant with regard to OP's "problem". Unless, of course, she has an issue with Ward 3 parents at her school no matter how long they stay, which wouldn't surprise me either.

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It's shocking to see how much misinformation is fueling the hostility here, both regarding the way the OOB system works and regarding the perceived universality of wealth in Ward 3.

The homeOWNERS in Ward 3 with children young enough to attend preK are, indeed, almost universally high income. The Census bears that out, if you look at the 'income by precinct' part of the American Survey. There are basically no homes for sale < $800,000, ever. Most homes have been selling for > $875 for years now, and even that number isn't common. Explain how a couple could take on that mortgage and not be high income? And yes, some residents bought years ago, pre-2005, but they don't have 3 year olds, so we're not talking about them.

That said, there are many rental units up and down Connecticut, Wisconsin, Massachusetts and MacArthur. Depending on how many bodies you want to cram into a 1-bed, a family renting in an older building need not be "wealthy" to live in Ward 3, since those units can be rented for $1,800.

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It's shocking to see how much misinformation is fueling the hostility here, both regarding the way the OOB system works and regarding the perceived universality of wealth in Ward 3.

The homeOWNERS in Ward 3 with children young enough to attend preK are, indeed, almost universally high income. The Census bears that out, if you look at the 'income by precinct' part of the American Survey. There are basically no homes for sale < $800,000, ever. Most homes have been selling for > $875 for years now, and even that number isn't common. Explain how a couple could take on that mortgage and not be high income? And yes, some residents bought years ago, pre-2005, but they don't have 3 year olds, so we're not talking about them.

That said, there are many rental units up and down Connecticut, Wisconsin, Massachusetts and MacArthur. Depending on how many bodies you want to cram into a 1-bed, a family renting in an older building need not be "wealthy" to live in Ward 3, since those units can be rented for $1,800.

The income requirements are pretty steep. And there are rules about how many people can live in the apartments.

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It's shocking to see how much misinformation is fueling the hostility here, both regarding the way the OOB system works and regarding the perceived universality of wealth in Ward 3.

The homeOWNERS in Ward 3 with children young enough to attend preK are, indeed, almost universally high income. The Census bears that out, if you look at the 'income by precinct' part of the American Survey. There are basically no homes for sale < $800,000, ever. Most homes have been selling for > $875 for years now, and even that number isn't common. Explain how a couple could take on that mortgage and not be high income? And yes, some residents bought years ago, pre-2005, but they don't have 3 year olds, so we're not talking about them.

That said, there are many rental units up and down Connecticut, Wisconsin, Massachusetts and MacArthur. Depending on how many bodies you want to cram into a 1-bed, a family renting in an older building need not be "wealthy" to live in Ward 3, since those units can be rented for $1,800.

Agree. Last year we lived in a small, somewhat gross two-bedroom condo in Cleveland park, made 185,000, and were completely priced out of any three bedroom options. In NE now. BTW I did private pk for my kids. Never crossed my mind to take someone's permanent OB spot while I waited a year or two to send my kid to Eaton.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't most jklm do private preschool?

Yes, absolutely for age 3. I have never once met a person in my Murch boundary neighborhood who has cast about the city for a free spot in a DCPS for pk3.

For age four, I have met two household IB for Murch who sent their kids -- interestingly, both families had twins -- to Hearst for pk4. One of these families did this about 8 years ago, the other, more recently.

It's not a common thing in these parts, at all.

Fight by anecdote! I know several Upper NW families that used public schools for PK3, and many who sent their kids to other schools for PK4 because they couldn't get into their IB school. So by my limited experience it must be a very common thing!

"upper NW" isn't the same as Ward 3.

How many families do you know who own homes in 20015 or 20016 and send their kids across the city for pk3? Be honest.

We do....20016 code.

No you don't. No way.

New poster. Also own a house in 20016, have high HHI, and drive my kid across the park for a non-language-immersion PK3.

Your HHI can't be that "high" if you really make that schlep for free Powell, passing by St. Columba's on the way.

Is it really so inconceivable to you that someone would make this choice? I find that sad.

It is sad that you make this choice when you have the money for better options. In this (rare) case I do think you are 'stealing a seat', but also, parents like you are probably helping keep the system accountable to parents who aren't as appropriately responsible and communicative re: their children.

I would be annoyed as hell to not get into my local school because of a parent like you, commuting so far who may not be keeping your child there beyond pk, yet I also acknowledge you are part of the reason the school may be improving.

It's also an indicator this isn't 'your community' if you don't move and mix with the other parents on a regular basis. Are you hanging out at barbeques, playdates and parties in se/me? Are these your people?

No one is being kept out of their local school because of someone coming in OOB. Not anywhere. IB children in DCPS have first priority.

It's shocking to see how much misinformation is fueling the hostility here, both regarding the way the OOB system works and regarding the perceived universality of wealth in Ward 3.

It is human nature, envy mixed with frustration.

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It's shocking to see how much misinformation is fueling the hostility here, both regarding the way the OOB system works and regarding the perceived universality of wealth in Ward 3.

The homeOWNERS in Ward 3 with children young enough to attend preK are, indeed, almost universally high income. The Census bears that out, if you look at the 'income by precinct' part of the American Survey. There are basically no homes for sale < $800,000, ever. Most homes have been selling for > $875 for years now, and even that number isn't common. Explain how a couple could take on that mortgage and not be high income? And yes, some residents bought years ago, pre-2005, but they don't have 3 year olds, so we're not talking about them.

That said, there are many rental units up and down Connecticut, Wisconsin, Massachusetts and MacArthur. Depending on how many bodies you want to cram into a 1-bed, a family renting in an older building need not be "wealthy" to live in Ward 3, since those units can be rented for $1,800.

We have two under three and bought for way less than that right after the downturn. We aren't low income (although way below the median in our neighborhood), but neither are most of the gentrifiers in other wards. People like us exist here as well, and they don't need to justify their participation in the lottery to their peers EOTP.

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One issue that hasn't been raised in this discussion is the relative quality of the public vs private options. Many will argue, but the private full-time slots for 3 and 4 years olds where we live are hard to come by and, to my mind, of lesser quality than the public options. So we are doing an OOB DCPS for preschool before joining our IB school. Perhaps high-quality full-time preschool programs are abundant in NW, but they aren't on the Hill.

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I think OP's original post was about families IB for JKLM rather than the Hill.

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Anonymous wrote:I think OP's original post was about families IB for JKLM rather than the Hill.

Yes, but the question is why it would matter, if the situation is the same, i. e. going OOB for prek and then using your IB school.

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The only people I've ever heard of doing this lived IB for one of the schools that offered pre-K-3 and then moved out to upper NW but kept their kids & sometimes siblings in the previous school for a bit while they were pre-k ages.

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Whoever mentioned Francis Steven and Hyde earlier hit the nail on the head. Both have a fairly large PK contingent from parts of upper NW without early childhood classrooms (not just Ward 3, guys, it's Ward 4 up there, too!).

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Anonymous wrote:I think OP's original post was about families IB for JKLM rather than the Hill.

Yes, but the question is why it would matter, if the situation is the same, i. e. going OOB for prek and then using your IB school.

I do think it matters, the difference between Ward 3 and the Hill. Here's why: up and around* this way, there are many, many excellent options for preschool ages 1-4. The handful I toured a few years ago, including NCRC, the Gan, St. Columba's, Temple Sinai, Lowell and CCBC, were each better than what DCPS (Murch) offered. Each in their own way, fwiw.nty

I have no idea what the Hill does or does not offer in the way of preschools. Just taking PP's word for it that there is a dearth, and contrasting that with Ward 3 / B-CC

* asterisk to show that very close-in Bethesda and CCMD (20815, 20816) are included for the purposes of this discussion, since the drive is < 12 minutes to many preschools B-CC.