Honestly, why don't people circumcise their sons in D.C.?

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Judging from the above unhinged posts it proves that the anticirc movement is quite nuts. BTW, whether you circ or not it doesn't really matter to someone who circs, we just don't go all up in your business screaming that you did something wrong and destroyed lives. God damn, calm down and do something else with your life like read a book or jog a mile.

The poster brings up real good points. It is more you who are "batshit crazy". You really need to check your ego.

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Anonymous wrote:All I can say is I wouldn't do it with an adult male with an uncircumsized one. They are nasty! They look freakish to me.

And it is people like you who cause thousands of baby boys to have their penises mutilated without ever being asked if they want it or not.

It is more than sad, that an entire society can fall under the sick belief that a mutilated penis is somehow prettier than a healthy, natural, intact one. Sad. Incredibly sad.

NP here. I'm not sad. My husband isn't sad. My sons aren't sad. Be sad for people who have actual bad things happen to them, not this.

It really doesn't matter either way.

Cutting of a piece of a baby boys penis for aesthetic reasons IS an 'actual bad thing' - sorry that you don't feel that way.

That's okay! Sorry you don't have better judgment and perspective.

NP here, but you are the one that has poor judgment and a lack of perspective. The only consolation you have is that in time you will realize that you are wrong. This is certain. And sadly, then it will be too late for your son/s.

Get outraged about something more outrageous, like people who don't vaccinate. If my sons grow up to be one of the very very rare men who mourns his missing foreskin and holds it against me, I will have done something wrong as a parent but it won't have been the circumcision.

Go on and justify it to yourself if it makes you feel better. But know that you are sick and perverse and abusive. It is disgusting what you have done to your children. Horrific. Why not leave them just as perfect as they were born.

You, on the other hand, sound delightful. You realize you aren't just calling me "sick, perverse, abusive, disgusting, horrific." You're talking about some of your friends, a lot of your neighbors, most followers of certain major religions, and most doctors and hospitals.
I hope you tell your friends who circumcise the same thing you wrote here.

Being mean anonymously means you're mean. You don't get a pass on saying terrible things just because you don't sign your name. That's who you are. Congratulations.

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Anonymous wrote:All I can say is I wouldn't do it with an adult male with an uncircumsized one. They are nasty! They look freakish to me.

And it is people like you who cause thousands of baby boys to have their penises mutilated without ever being asked if they want it or not.

It is more than sad, that an entire society can fall under the sick belief that a mutilated penis is somehow prettier than a healthy, natural, intact one. Sad. Incredibly sad.

NP here. I'm not sad. My husband isn't sad. My sons aren't sad. Be sad for people who have actual bad things happen to them, not this.

It really doesn't matter either way.

Cutting of a piece of a baby boys penis for aesthetic reasons IS an 'actual bad thing' - sorry that you don't feel that way.

That's okay! Sorry you don't have better judgment and perspective.

NP here, but you are the one that has poor judgment and a lack of perspective. The only consolation you have is that in time you will realize that you are wrong. This is certain. And sadly, then it will be too late for your son/s.

Time has actually proven the opposite, circumcision had been proven to have medical benefits.

You are wrong. Circumcision has been going on for thousands of years, and yet there STILL are no proven medical benefits that cannot be better addressed in other ways. (E.g. wearing a condom or treating a UTI in the same way as you treat them in girls).

As someone who grew up overseas and will NEVER understand this American obsession with genital mutilation, I can only tell you that you sound BATSHIT CRAZY when you try and come up with lame justifications for your perverse insistence in cosmetically altering your non-consenting infant child's genitalia. Please, take a step back and look at what you are saying. Why would you perform unnecessary cosmetic surgery on a newborn's genitals, of all things? They are born perfect and no, a scarred stubby penis does not look good, nor does it function as well. This is a fact.

Let's be honest, your post speaks for itself and everyone can conclude you sound bat shit crazy. If you want people to take you seriously you need to act less insane. You are doing a disservice to your cause movement or whatever thing you are pushing.

You are so wrapped up in your culture that you can't see the wood for the trees. There is nothing insane about saying that mutilating a newborn baby's genitalia is wrong. If you disagree please say so, I want to hear you say, "yes, I believe that it is acceptable to mutilate a non-consenting new born baby's genitals." Go ahead and tell me why and how you justify that.

We force non-consenting infants to receive vaccines. We force non-consenting infants to go home with us, suck our breasts, and wear clothes. These poor non-consenting infants! The horror!
There is no study that can definitively state if circumcision decreases or increases sexual pleasure. Circumcision has not stopped men from enjoying sex for thousands of years. To compare it to female genital mutilation is crazy, because it is well known that it does decrease sexual pleasure in a woman (and also, it's done for ha purpose, so a woman does no cheat). It is done to infant boys as a health reason (albeit incredible small), and because it is a cultural norm here (although not circumcising is also culturally acceptable and a norm as well).

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Anonymous wrote:All I can say is I wouldn't do it with an adult male with an uncircumsized one. They are nasty! They look freakish to me.

And it is people like you who cause thousands of baby boys to have their penises mutilated without ever being asked if they want it or not.

It is more than sad, that an entire society can fall under the sick belief that a mutilated penis is somehow prettier than a healthy, natural, intact one. Sad. Incredibly sad.

NP here. I'm not sad. My husband isn't sad. My sons aren't sad. Be sad for people who have actual bad things happen to them, not this.

It really doesn't matter either way.

Cutting of a piece of a baby boys penis for aesthetic reasons IS an 'actual bad thing' - sorry that you don't feel that way.

That's okay! Sorry you don't have better judgment and perspective.

NP here, but you are the one that has poor judgment and a lack of perspective. The only consolation you have is that in time you will realize that you are wrong. This is certain. And sadly, then it will be too late for your son/s.

Get outraged about something more outrageous, like people who don't vaccinate. If my sons grow up to be one of the very very rare men who mourns his missing foreskin and holds it against me, I will have done something wrong as a parent but it won't have been the circumcision.

Go on and justify it to yourself if it makes you feel better. But know that you are sick and perverse and abusive. It is disgusting what you have done to your children. Horrific. Why not leave them just as perfect as they were born.

You, on the other hand, sound delightful. You realize you aren't just calling me "sick, perverse, abusive, disgusting, horrific." You're talking about some of your friends, a lot of your neighbors, most followers of certain major religions, and most doctors and hospitals.
I hope you tell your friends who circumcise the same thing you wrote here.

Being mean anonymously means you're mean. You don't get a pass on saying terrible things just because you don't sign your name. That's who you are. Congratulations.

If cut my daughters prepuce would you not think that it was sick, perverse or abusive? Or is it just fine if it's a girl? Because it's just "skin" and it "looks better"? Or there are "health benefits"? Please tell me that you think that it's okay to cut off part of a newborn babies genitals? And then tell me that you genuinely don't think that it's inhumane to mutilate your newborn baby?

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Anonymous wrote:All I can say is I wouldn't do it with an adult male with an uncircumsized one. They are nasty! They look freakish to me.

And it is people like you who cause thousands of baby boys to have their penises mutilated without ever being asked if they want it or not.

It is more than sad, that an entire society can fall under the sick belief that a mutilated penis is somehow prettier than a healthy, natural, intact one. Sad. Incredibly sad.

NP here. I'm not sad. My husband isn't sad. My sons aren't sad. Be sad for people who have actual bad things happen to them, not this.

It really doesn't matter either way.

Cutting of a piece of a baby boys penis for aesthetic reasons IS an 'actual bad thing' - sorry that you don't feel that way.

That's okay! Sorry you don't have better judgment and perspective.

NP here, but you are the one that has poor judgment and a lack of perspective. The only consolation you have is that in time you will realize that you are wrong. This is certain. And sadly, then it will be too late for your son/s.

Time has actually proven the opposite, circumcision had been proven to have medical benefits.

You are wrong. Circumcision has been going on for thousands of years, and yet there STILL are no proven medical benefits that cannot be better addressed in other ways. (E.g. wearing a condom or treating a UTI in the same way as you treat them in girls).

As someone who grew up overseas and will NEVER understand this American obsession with genital mutilation, I can only tell you that you sound BATSHIT CRAZY when you try and come up with lame justifications for your perverse insistence in cosmetically altering your non-consenting infant child's genitalia. Please, take a step back and look at what you are saying. Why would you perform unnecessary cosmetic surgery on a newborn's genitals, of all things? They are born perfect and no, a scarred stubby penis does not look good, nor does it function as well. This is a fact.

Let's be honest, your post speaks for itself and everyone can conclude you sound bat shit crazy. If you want people to take you seriously you need to act less insane. You are doing a disservice to your cause movement or whatever thing you are pushing.

You are so wrapped up in your culture that you can't see the wood for the trees. There is nothing insane about saying that mutilating a newborn baby's genitalia is wrong. If you disagree please say so, I want to hear you say, "yes, I believe that it is acceptable to mutilate a non-consenting new born baby's genitals." Go ahead and tell me why and how you justify that.

We force non-consenting infants to receive vaccines. We force non-consenting infants to go home with us, suck our breasts, and wear clothes. These poor non-consenting infants! The horror!
There is no study that can definitively state if circumcision decreases or increases sexual pleasure. Circumcision has not stopped men from enjoying sex for thousands of years. To compare it to female genital mutilation is crazy, because it is well known that it does decrease sexual pleasure in a woman (and also, it's done for ha purpose, so a woman does no cheat). It is done to infant boys as a health reason (albeit incredible small), and because it is a cultural norm here (although not circumcising is also culturally acceptable and a norm as well).

You forced your infant to eat? To be warm? Weird.

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Anonymous wrote:All I can say is I wouldn't do it with an adult male with an uncircumsized one. They are nasty! They look freakish to me.

And it is people like you who cause thousands of baby boys to have their penises mutilated without ever being asked if they want it or not.

It is more than sad, that an entire society can fall under the sick belief that a mutilated penis is somehow prettier than a healthy, natural, intact one. Sad. Incredibly sad.

NP here. I'm not sad. My husband isn't sad. My sons aren't sad. Be sad for people who have actual bad things happen to them, not this.

It really doesn't matter either way.

Cutting of a piece of a baby boys penis for aesthetic reasons IS an 'actual bad thing' - sorry that you don't feel that way.

That's okay! Sorry you don't have better judgment and perspective.

NP here, but you are the one that has poor judgment and a lack of perspective. The only consolation you have is that in time you will realize that you are wrong. This is certain. And sadly, then it will be too late for your son/s.

Time has actually proven the opposite, circumcision had been proven to have medical benefits.

You are wrong. Circumcision has been going on for thousands of years, and yet there STILL are no proven medical benefits that cannot be better addressed in other ways. (E.g. wearing a condom or treating a UTI in the same way as you treat them in girls).

As someone who grew up overseas and will NEVER understand this American obsession with genital mutilation, I can only tell you that you sound BATSHIT CRAZY when you try and come up with lame justifications for your perverse insistence in cosmetically altering your non-consenting infant child's genitalia. Please, take a step back and look at what you are saying. Why would you perform unnecessary cosmetic surgery on a newborn's genitals, of all things? They are born perfect and no, a scarred stubby penis does not look good, nor does it function as well. This is a fact.

Let's be honest, your post speaks for itself and everyone can conclude you sound bat shit crazy. If you want people to take you seriously you need to act less insane. You are doing a disservice to your cause movement or whatever thing you are pushing.

You are so wrapped up in your culture that you can't see the wood for the trees. There is nothing insane about saying that mutilating a newborn baby's genitalia is wrong. If you disagree please say so, I want to hear you say, "yes, I believe that it is acceptable to mutilate a non-consenting new born baby's genitals." Go ahead and tell me why and how you justify that.

We force non-consenting infants to receive vaccines. We force non-consenting infants to go home with us, suck our breasts, and wear clothes. These poor non-consenting infants! The horror!
There is no study that can definitively state if circumcision decreases or increases sexual pleasure. Circumcision has not stopped men from enjoying sex for thousands of years. To compare it to female genital mutilation is crazy, because it is well known that it does decrease sexual pleasure in a woman (and also, it's done for ha purpose, so a woman does no cheat). It is done to infant boys as a health reason (albeit incredible small), and because it is a cultural norm here (although not circumcising is also culturally acceptable and a norm as well).

You are misunderstanding the reality of female circumcision. Read this: http://blog.practicalethics.ox.ac.uk/2014/02/female-genital-mutilation-and-male-circumcision-time-to-confront-the-double-standard/ It's from the University of Oxford and a very thorough discussion of the two practices.

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I was born at D.C. General, and was told that they did not offer circumcisions in the 80's. I guess ppl had more important things to do, like finding me a home after taking me from my heroin addict of a mother.

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Judging from the above unhinged posts it proves that the anticirc movement is quite nuts. BTW, whether you circ or not it doesn't really matter to someone who circs, we just don't go all up in your business screaming that you did something wrong and destroyed lives. God damn, calm down and do something else with your life like read a book or jog a mile.

The poster brings up real good points. It is more you who are "batshit crazy". You really need to check your ego.

So if your neighbor was branding their newborn child with a hot iron, cutting off her eyelid or finger, beating her, or permanently disfiguring some part of her body (genitals or elsewhere) it would be "unhinged" for you to speak up? You should just go and read a book or go for a jog? Ok, I see where your priorities lie.

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Anonymous wrote:All I can say is I wouldn't do it with an adult male with an uncircumsized one. They are nasty! They look freakish to me.

And it is people like you who cause thousands of baby boys to have their penises mutilated without ever being asked if they want it or not.

It is more than sad, that an entire society can fall under the sick belief that a mutilated penis is somehow prettier than a healthy, natural, intact one. Sad. Incredibly sad.

NP here. I'm not sad. My husband isn't sad. My sons aren't sad. Be sad for people who have actual bad things happen to them, not this.

It really doesn't matter either way.

Cutting of a piece of a baby boys penis for aesthetic reasons IS an 'actual bad thing' - sorry that you don't feel that way.

That's okay! Sorry you don't have better judgment and perspective.

NP here, but you are the one that has poor judgment and a lack of perspective. The only consolation you have is that in time you will realize that you are wrong. This is certain. And sadly, then it will be too late for your son/s.

Get outraged about something more outrageous, like people who don't vaccinate. If my sons grow up to be one of the very very rare men who mourns his missing foreskin and holds it against me, I will have done something wrong as a parent but it won't have been the circumcision.

Go on and justify it to yourself if it makes you feel better. But know that you are sick and perverse and abusive. It is disgusting what you have done to your children. Horrific. Why not leave them just as perfect as they were born.

You, on the other hand, sound delightful. You realize you aren't just calling me "sick, perverse, abusive, disgusting, horrific." You're talking about some of your friends, a lot of your neighbors, most followers of certain major religions, and most doctors and hospitals.
I hope you tell your friends who circumcise the same thing you wrote here.

Being mean anonymously means you're mean. You don't get a pass on saying terrible things just because you don't sign your name. That's who you are. Congratulations.

If cut my daughters prepuce would you not think that it was sick, perverse or abusive? Or is it just fine if it's a girl? Because it's just "skin" and it "looks better"? Or there are "health benefits"? Please tell me that you think that it's okay to cut off part of a newborn babies genitals? And then tell me that you genuinely don't think that it's inhumane to mutilate your newborn baby?

There are some people in this thread and elsewhere who can make reasoned, well-written arguments against circumcision. Let them do it. You only hurt your cause.

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We circumcised DS, after much thought. We are white, educated, and live in DC. When I mentioned our stress over the issue to my white, educated friend in Arlington, she was shocked and did know anyone in her circle who had even considered not doing it. I do think the rates are changing but if its not for religious or race reasons, its only going down in ultra liberal urban areas. For now, at least.

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Anonymous wrote:All I can say is I wouldn't do it with an adult male with an uncircumsized one. They are nasty! They look freakish to me.

And it is people like you who cause thousands of baby boys to have their penises mutilated without ever being asked if they want it or not.

It is more than sad, that an entire society can fall under the sick belief that a mutilated penis is somehow prettier than a healthy, natural, intact one. Sad. Incredibly sad.

NP here. I'm not sad. My husband isn't sad. My sons aren't sad. Be sad for people who have actual bad things happen to them, not this.

It really doesn't matter either way.

Cutting of a piece of a baby boys penis for aesthetic reasons IS an 'actual bad thing' - sorry that you don't feel that way.

That's okay! Sorry you don't have better judgment and perspective.

NP here, but you are the one that has poor judgment and a lack of perspective. The only consolation you have is that in time you will realize that you are wrong. This is certain. And sadly, then it will be too late for your son/s.

Get outraged about something more outrageous, like people who don't vaccinate. If my sons grow up to be one of the very very rare men who mourns his missing foreskin and holds it against me, I will have done something wrong as a parent but it won't have been the circumcision.

Go on and justify it to yourself if it makes you feel better. But know that you are sick and perverse and abusive. It is disgusting what you have done to your children. Horrific. Why not leave them just as perfect as they were born.

You, on the other hand, sound delightful. You realize you aren't just calling me "sick, perverse, abusive, disgusting, horrific." You're talking about some of your friends, a lot of your neighbors, most followers of certain major religions, and most doctors and hospitals.
I hope you tell your friends who circumcise the same thing you wrote here.

Being mean anonymously means you're mean. You don't get a pass on saying terrible things just because you don't sign your name. That's who you are. Congratulations.

If cut my daughters prepuce would you not think that it was sick, perverse or abusive? Or is it just fine if it's a girl? Because it's just "skin" and it "looks better"? Or there are "health benefits"? Please tell me that you think that it's okay to cut off part of a newborn babies genitals? And then tell me that you genuinely don't think that it's inhumane to mutilate your newborn baby?

There are some people in this thread and elsewhere who can make reasoned, well-written arguments against circumcision. Let them do it. You only hurt your cause.

So you are unable to tell me that you think it's okay to cut foreskin (prepuce) off a baby girl then? It's the exact same thing, FYI, it's the skin that covers the clitoris. If you don't understand the comparison read this: http://blog.practicalethics.ox.ac.uk/2014/02/female-genital-mutilation-and-male-circumcision-time-to-confront-the-double-standard/

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Anonymous wrote:Judging from the above unhinged posts it proves that the anticirc movement is quite nuts. BTW, whether you circ or not it doesn't really matter to someone who circs, we just don't go all up in your business screaming that you did something wrong and destroyed lives. God damn, calm down and do something else with your life like read a book or jog a mile.

Well, except that the OP started this thread by getting all up in the business of people who choose not to circ. There's batshit crazy on both sides of this. I'm on the side of thinking my son was born perfect, and why mess with that? Certainly there could be complications from being uncircumcised, as there can be complications from circumcision. I know 2 parents who have had to have their sons' circumcisions revised.

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They do. They just aren't as strident about their agenda as anti-circ'ers. Personally, I think either route is fine and people should just do what they believe is right for own sons. Zealots are so annoying.

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Anonymous wrote:Judging from the above unhinged posts it proves that the anticirc movement is quite nuts. BTW, whether you circ or not it doesn't really matter to someone who circs, we just don't go all up in your business screaming that you did something wrong and destroyed lives. God damn, calm down and do something else with your life like read a book or jog a mile.

Well, except that the OP started this thread by getting all up in the business of people who choose not to circ. There's batshit crazy on both sides of this. I'm on the side of thinking my son was born perfect, and why mess with that? Certainly there could be complications from being uncircumcised, as there can be complications from circumcision. I know 2 parents who have had to have their sons' circumcisions revised.

Very uncommon, you must have had to search them out. There are many things that we intervene, we cut the cord, do you think we should leave it on because they were born like that? Should we not wash them? Just cause the child comes out a certain way doesn't mean we should just not do anything. Do you let your child search for his own food?

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Anonymous wrote:Judging from the above unhinged posts it proves that the anticirc movement is quite nuts. BTW, whether you circ or not it doesn't really matter to someone who circs, we just don't go all up in your business screaming that you did something wrong and destroyed lives. God damn, calm down and do something else with your life like read a book or jog a mile.

Well, except that the OP started this thread by getting all up in the business of people who choose not to circ. There's batshit crazy on both sides of this. I'm on the side of thinking my son was born perfect, and why mess with that? Certainly there could be complications from being uncircumcised, as there can be complications from circumcision. I know 2 parents who have had to have their sons' circumcisions revised.

Very uncommon, you must have had to search them out. There are many things that we intervene, we cut the cord, do you think we should leave it on because they were born like that? Should we not wash them? Just cause the child comes out a certain way doesn't mean we should just not do anything. Do you let your child search for his own food?

I didn't - both are colleagues that I talk to because we have kids roughly the same age. Both revisions went fine but caused the parents a lot of stress. There are risks to any surgery, and the only way to eliminate those risks is to not have the surgery. In this case, the surgery is cosmetic, so the risks do not seem worth it.

Again, you're sounding crazy. Feeding an infant =/= cutting off a body part.