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Anonymous wrote:I agree with you, 15:15. Sadly, not agreeing with homosexuality equals being a bigot and/or hate-filled. It's a very juvenile argument, but it works for some.

Could you please explain how it isn't bigotry? For example, if I believe that Jews are abnormal and dysfunctional based on their religion, how is that not anti-semitism?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How can people deny these people the right to be together? If this doesn't change your mind, you are as heartless as you are wrong.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/teeny858/it-could-happen-to-you-523s

again it is equal rights, would marriage have changed that? It needs to be equal rigths, start there. if someone wants a union, marriage whatever but start with the equal rights.

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I disagree that your family and love is legitimate, as I believe homosexuality is fundamentally disordered and abnormal. I believe it represents a disfunction in human existence, probably caused by a variety of factors. Celebrating, endorsing and promoting homosexuality should be discouraged as it causes ever-deepening confusion and ultimately chaos in a society. Yes, I live and work alongside gay people, and would never say this directly to anyone's face as I realize it is hurtful. In fact, I don't know that I've ever written or spoken these words before, as it would be considered rude and impolite; however I figured it's not fair to be having this conversation without clearly and honestly stating my beliefs. Clearly I hold an extremely unpopular opinion compared to those on DCUM; however the majority of people living in this country agree with me. That said, I don't care what you do with your life or in your bedroom. That's between you and whoever you choose to be involved with in your life. And, certainly you should be free to pursue life, liberty and happiness, without any condemnation or persecution from our legal system. Aside from that, marriage has a very specific purpose and definition, and I am not willing to vote for that to be changed. I would be fine voting in favor of a domestic partnership law which allows two consenting adults to have certain exclusive powers with and for each other.

Wow. Just wow. Have you ever really THOUGHT about why you feel such hatred toward homosexuals and homosexuality? And I don't actually believe that a majority of people in the country agree with you. They don't think of homosexuals as disfunctional.

I mean, really...you just suck as a person if you think these things.

Sexually, yes, homosexuality is completely dysfunctional. I didn't mean to imply that the dysfunction went beyond that. It is a sexual abnormality. And yes, the majority of people in America agree with me. You do realize that people across the country are making laws prohibiting gay marriage? Do you think all these people are in favor of homosexuality but just being bigots?

And, I realize you are having a difficult time comprehending this, but I do not hate gay people in any way. I would bet all the money I have, that you feel much greater hate for me and my beliefs than I do for gay people.

Oh hon, no they don't. Check the polls. And let's make one thing clear -- whatever "hatred" people may have for you, individually, as a result of your particular beliefs, that is entirely different from thinking that an ENTIRE CATEGORY OF PEOPLE are "sexually dysfunctional," that their love is illigitimate, and that they are abnormal. You're operating on a whole different playing field of hate.

So, you think that men having anal sex with each other is normal sexual behavior? Is there anything you would categorize as abnormal sexual behavior? I guarantee, everyone draws a line somewhere.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I agree with you, 15:15. Sadly, not agreeing with homosexuality equals being a bigot and/or hate-filled. It's a very juvenile argument, but it works for some.

Could you please explain how it isn't bigotry? For example, if I believe that Jews are abnormal and dysfunctional based on their religion, how is that not anti-semitism?

I am not the PP, but I don't want, as a society, to sanction homosexuality any more than we already do.

[Anonymous]

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I disagree that your family and love is legitimate, as I believe homosexuality is fundamentally disordered and abnormal. I believe it represents a disfunction in human existence, probably caused by a variety of factors. Celebrating, endorsing and promoting homosexuality should be discouraged as it causes ever-deepening confusion and ultimately chaos in a society. Yes, I live and work alongside gay people, and would never say this directly to anyone's face as I realize it is hurtful. In fact, I don't know that I've ever written or spoken these words before, as it would be considered rude and impolite; however I figured it's not fair to be having this conversation without clearly and honestly stating my beliefs. Clearly I hold an extremely unpopular opinion compared to those on DCUM; however the majority of people living in this country agree with me. That said, I don't care what you do with your life or in your bedroom. That's between you and whoever you choose to be involved with in your life. And, certainly you should be free to pursue life, liberty and happiness, without any condemnation or persecution from our legal system. Aside from that, marriage has a very specific purpose and definition, and I am not willing to vote for that to be changed. I would be fine voting in favor of a domestic partnership law which allows two consenting adults to have certain exclusive powers with and for each other.

Wow. Just wow. Have you ever really THOUGHT about why you feel such hatred toward homosexuals and homosexuality? And I don't actually believe that a majority of people in the country agree with you. They don't think of homosexuals as disfunctional.

I mean, really...you just suck as a person if you think these things.

Sexually, yes, homosexuality is completely dysfunctional. I didn't mean to imply that the dysfunction went beyond that. It is a sexual abnormality. And yes, the majority of people in America agree with me. You do realize that people across the country are making laws prohibiting gay marriage? Do you think all these people are in favor of homosexuality but just being bigots?

And, I realize you are having a difficult time comprehending this, but I do not hate gay people in any way. I would bet all the money I have, that you feel much greater hate for me and my beliefs than I do for gay people.

Oh hon, no they don't. Check the polls. And let's make one thing clear -- whatever "hatred" people may have for you, individually, as a result of your particular beliefs, that is entirely different from thinking that an ENTIRE CATEGORY OF PEOPLE are "sexually dysfunctional," that their love is illigitimate, and that they are abnormal. You're operating on a whole different playing field of hate.

So, you think that men having anal sex with each other is normal sexual behavior? Is there anything you would categorize as abnormal sexual behavior? I guarantee, everyone draws a line somewhere.

Of course that's normal sexual behavior.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
I disagree that your family and love is legitimate, as I believe homosexuality is fundamentally disordered and abnormal. I believe it represents a disfunction in human existence, probably caused by a variety of factors. Celebrating, endorsing and promoting homosexuality should be discouraged as it causes ever-deepening confusion and ultimately chaos in a society. Yes, I live and work alongside gay people, and would never say this directly to anyone's face as I realize it is hurtful. In fact, I don't know that I've ever written or spoken these words before, as it would be considered rude and impolite; however I figured it's not fair to be having this conversation without clearly and honestly stating my beliefs. Clearly I hold an extremely unpopular opinion compared to those on DCUM; however the majority of people living in this country agree with me. That said, I don't care what you do with your life or in your bedroom. That's between you and whoever you choose to be involved with in your life. And, certainly you should be free to pursue life, liberty and happiness, without any condemnation or persecution from our legal system. Aside from that, marriage has a very specific purpose and definition, and I am not willing to vote for that to be changed. I would be fine voting in favor of a domestic partnership law which allows two consenting adults to have certain exclusive powers with and for each other.

Wow. Just wow. Have you ever really THOUGHT about why you feel such hatred toward homosexuals and homosexuality? And I don't actually believe that a majority of people in the country agree with you. They don't think of homosexuals as disfunctional.

I mean, really...you just suck as a person if you think these things.

Sexually, yes, homosexuality is completely dysfunctional. I didn't mean to imply that the dysfunction went beyond that. It is a sexual abnormality. And yes, the majority of people in America agree with me. You do realize that people across the country are making laws prohibiting gay marriage? Do you think all these people are in favor of homosexuality but just being bigots?

And, I realize you are having a difficult time comprehending this, but I do not hate gay people in any way. I would bet all the money I have, that you feel much greater hate for me and my beliefs than I do for gay people.

Oh hon, no they don't. Check the polls. And let's make one thing clear -- whatever "hatred" people may have for you, individually, as a result of your particular beliefs, that is entirely different from thinking that an ENTIRE CATEGORY OF PEOPLE are "sexually dysfunctional," that their love is illigitimate, and that they are abnormal. You're operating on a whole different playing field of hate.

So, you think that men having anal sex with each other is normal sexual behavior? Is there anything you would categorize as abnormal sexual behavior? I guarantee, everyone draws a line somewhere.

I don't think that my definition of normal or abnormal sexual behavior has any validity outside of my bedroom.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I agree with you, 15:15. Sadly, not agreeing with homosexuality equals being a bigot and/or hate-filled. It's a very juvenile argument, but it works for some.

Could you please explain how it isn't bigotry? For example, if I believe that Jews are abnormal and dysfunctional based on their religion, how is that not anti-semitism?

I am not the PP, but I don't want, as a society, to sanction homosexuality any more than we already do.

Why?

[Anonymous]

In a nutshell, yes.

I believe that marriage is a religious ceremony that forms a union before God (or that person's "God").
Civil unions are for those who are non-believers and/or those forming a union outside of "the church".

First, while you may have been right 500 years ago, marriage today is much more than a religious ceremony - it's a civil contract that provides rights and responsibilities. You can't separate the secular and religious aspects - they're too closely intertwined. As I said earlier, I'd be fine changing the naming convention for ALL legal marriages to "civil unions" and leaving marriage to the church. But if the government continues to recognize "marriage" as the legal contract it currently is, sorry, gay people have just as much right to it as anyone else.

On a related note, one of your brethren, a few pages ago, chastised another poster for not debating "real issues." The issue s/he didn't think was real was what the gay rights movement was called - it other words, the name wasn't important, just the substance behind it. So I guess i'm confused - if the name isn't important, what's the big deal calign a gay union "marriage?"

And finally, the only reason you've articulated against gay marriage is a religious one - you want the government to (continue to) enshrine a religions definition of marriage in secular law. That seems . . . problematic.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
I disagree that your family and love is legitimate, as I believe homosexuality is fundamentally disordered and abnormal. I believe it represents a disfunction in human existence, probably caused by a variety of factors. Celebrating, endorsing and promoting homosexuality should be discouraged as it causes ever-deepening confusion and ultimately chaos in a society. Yes, I live and work alongside gay people, and would never say this directly to anyone's face as I realize it is hurtful. In fact, I don't know that I've ever written or spoken these words before, as it would be considered rude and impolite; however I figured it's not fair to be having this conversation without clearly and honestly stating my beliefs. Clearly I hold an extremely unpopular opinion compared to those on DCUM; however the majority of people living in this country agree with me. That said, I don't care what you do with your life or in your bedroom. That's between you and whoever you choose to be involved with in your life. And, certainly you should be free to pursue life, liberty and happiness, without any condemnation or persecution from our legal system. Aside from that, marriage has a very specific purpose and definition, and I am not willing to vote for that to be changed. I would be fine voting in favor of a domestic partnership law which allows two consenting adults to have certain exclusive powers with and for each other.

Wow. Just wow. Have you ever really THOUGHT about why you feel such hatred toward homosexuals and homosexuality? And I don't actually believe that a majority of people in the country agree with you. They don't think of homosexuals as disfunctional.

I mean, really...you just suck as a person if you think these things.

Sexually, yes, homosexuality is completely dysfunctional. I didn't mean to imply that the dysfunction went beyond that. It is a sexual abnormality. And yes, the majority of people in America agree with me. You do realize that people across the country are making laws prohibiting gay marriage? Do you think all these people are in favor of homosexuality but just being bigots?

And, I realize you are having a difficult time comprehending this, but I do not hate gay people in any way. I would bet all the money I have, that you feel much greater hate for me and my beliefs than I do for gay people.

Oh hon, no they don't. Check the polls. And let's make one thing clear -- whatever "hatred" people may have for you, individually, as a result of your particular beliefs, that is entirely different from thinking that an ENTIRE CATEGORY OF PEOPLE are "sexually dysfunctional," that their love is illigitimate, and that they are abnormal. You're operating on a whole different playing field of hate.

So, you think that men having anal sex with each other is normal sexual behavior? Is there anything you would categorize as abnormal sexual behavior? I guarantee, everyone draws a line somewhere.

What do you see as abnormal about it? Is it the anal sex part or the two men part?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I agree with you, 15:15. Sadly, not agreeing with homosexuality equals being a bigot and/or hate-filled. It's a very juvenile argument, but it works for some.

I, too, am against gay marriage, but would be in full support of a civil law that grants same-sex couples full rights under federal and state law. Of course, as this country stands, allowing gay marriage seems like the easiest way to grant gays their rights, so if taken to a vote, I would support gay marriage.

Though I have certain beliefs, I would not want those beliefs to trample on the liberty and happiness of others.

So all of this quibbling is about the use of the word "marriage," but you think gays should be afforded the same federal and state rights as married heterosexuals?

In a nutshell, yes.

I believe that marriage is a religious ceremony that forms a union before God (or that person's "God").
Civil unions are for those who are non-believers and/or those forming a union outside of "the church".

So now all of us who don't get married in a church, have a civil ceremony, and pretty much are atheists (or Jews or Muslims or Buddists) now don't get to be married either? Because you believe that the word "marriage" is a "religious ceremony"??

I'm sorry, but please go check out a dictionary before you post such nonsense. Marriage isn't defined by the Christian church.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree with you, 15:15. Sadly, not agreeing with homosexuality equals being a bigot and/or hate-filled. It's a very juvenile argument, but it works for some.

I, too, am against gay marriage, but would be in full support of a civil law that grants same-sex couples full rights under federal and state law. Of course, as this country stands, allowing gay marriage seems like the easiest way to grant gays their rights, so if taken to a vote, I would support gay marriage.

Though I have certain beliefs, I would not want those beliefs to trample on the liberty and happiness of others.

So all of this quibbling is about the use of the word "marriage," but you think gays should be afforded the same federal and state rights as married heterosexuals?

In a nutshell, yes.

I believe that marriage is a religious ceremony that forms a union before God (or that person's "God").
Civil unions are for those who are non-believers and/or those forming a union outside of "the church".

So now all of us who don't get married in a church, have a civil ceremony, and pretty much are atheists (or Jews or Muslims or Buddists) now don't get to be married either? Because you believe that the word "marriage" is a "religious ceremony"??

I'm sorry, but please go check out a dictionary before you post such nonsense. Marriage isn't defined by the Christian church.

And what if two people get married in faith, but subsequently become athiests -- is their marriage invalid? What if only one loses faith?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I agree with you, 15:15. Sadly, not agreeing with homosexuality equals being a bigot and/or hate-filled. It's a very juvenile argument, but it works for some.

I, too, am against gay marriage, but would be in full support of a civil law that grants same-sex couples full rights under federal and state law. Of course, as this country stands, allowing gay marriage seems like the easiest way to grant gays their rights, so if taken to a vote, I would support gay marriage.

Though I have certain beliefs, I would not want those beliefs to trample on the liberty and happiness of others.

So all of this quibbling is about the use of the word "marriage," but you think gays should be afforded the same federal and state rights as married heterosexuals?

In a nutshell, yes.

I believe that marriage is a religious ceremony that forms a union before God (or that person's "God").
Civil unions are for those who are non-believers and/or those forming a union outside of "the church".

No, they're not. Marriage, as defined by law, is a legal status. Marriage as a religious rite, sacrament, or whatever you want to call it is determined by your religious affiliation. If you have a religious marital ceremony but never obtain a marriage license issued by your state, you're not legally married, and you are not protected by state or federal marital laws. PP, I respect your right to an opinion, but your understanding of the legality of marriage is incorrect. You have to recognize that the church does not grant you federal and state rights. They are two different entities. I was not married in a church, and I have zero affiliation with any religion, and yet, I am legally married. The majority of gays are not fighting to have marriage recognized by "the church," rather, they're fighting to have the same legal rights as heterosexual couples.

[Anonymous]

For those of you spouting your nonsense about how "most of the country agrees with me that there should be no same-sex marriage," sorry to say that you're wrong (as multiple other posters have pointed out). The latest polls show that half the country believes that same-sex marriage (or as I like to call it -- marriage) should be legal. Less than half of the country believes it should be illegal. Now I'll admit that I'm no mathetologist, but I'm pretty sure that 50% is greater than "less than 50%".

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/08/us-usa-gaymarriage-poll-idUSBRE8471DW20120508

[Anonymous]

So, you think that men having anal sex with each other is normal sexual behavior? Is there anything you would categorize as abnormal sexual behavior? I guarantee, everyone draws a line somewhere.

I think it's not any different - at all - from a man and a woman having anal sex. And if the act by the man and the woman doesn't disqualify them from marriage, that why should it disqualify two men?

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Anonymous wrote:I agree with you, 15:15. Sadly, not agreeing with homosexuality equals being a bigot and/or hate-filled. It's a very juvenile argument, but it works for some.

Could you please explain how it isn't bigotry? For example, if I believe that Jews are abnormal and dysfunctional based on their religion, how is that not anti-semitism?

Bigotry and anti-semitism suggest (and usually consist of) hatred. Being in disagreement with something doesn't mean you hate those who participate.

Do you need to hate something for you to disagree with it?