Before you make your summer plans to visit the Outerbanks ofNC

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Because we're not willing to give our hard-earned tax dollars to the bigots of North Carolina and we're not willing to raise our children in such an atmosphere.

I'm an NC resident. I admire you for standing up for what you believe in and have no problems with economic boycotts.

However, saying you're not willing to raise your children in the bigoted NC atmosphere is a bit silly. That's like saying California is a hostile state towards gays because Prop 8 passed. My LGBT friends and relatives quite like it here, although they'd like it more if they could marry. I'm sure many LGBT people feel the same about the states they live in where same-sex marriage is also banned.

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I can't speak about Christians who don't support gay marriage because I am not one of them. Every person has their own reasons for why they do/don't support a particular issue. Being Christian does not make you of the same mindset of other Christians on all issues.

That’s fine, I suppose – but are you consistent? Do you believe on the Bible’s stance on everything, with no room for negotiation? Slavery? The roles of women in society? Penalties for infidelity?

I suspect the answer to that question is no, of course you don't believe strictly with EVERYTHING the Bible says. So how do you pick and choose? Why do you support some Bible stances unconditionally and not others? Do you think homosexuality is more evil than slavery? The subjugation of women?

My point is not to attack you, but to illustrate that the reason many Christians and other religious people oppose gay marriage is NOT because the Bible says so - the Bible says a lot of things are anachronisms. That's just camouflage - a fig leaf to cover up the fact that the individuals in question, for some reason, are opposed to gay marriage and homosexuality.

If you are talking about OT laws, then no I don't follow them. Christians follow the NT.

Cuz that OT is just so outdated, huh?

Uhmm, no, but it *kinda* helps to follow the NT, if you a Christian.

Um, it was a joke.

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No kidding - Virginia is one of the most gay-hostile states in the nation and probably half of DCUM lives there.

[Anonymous]

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Because we're not willing to give our hard-earned tax dollars to the bigots of North Carolina and we're not willing to raise our children in such an atmosphere.

I'm an NC resident. I admire you for standing up for what you believe in and have no problems with economic boycotts.

However, saying you're not willing to raise your children in the bigoted NC atmosphere is a bit silly. That's like saying California is a hostile state towards gays because Prop 8 passed. My LGBT friends and relatives quite like it here, although they'd like it more if they could marry. I'm sure many LGBT people feel the same about the states they live in where same-sex marriage is also banned.

I understand your argument, and I actually used to live in NC as a child and loved it, but... Right now my feelings are just too raw about it. I felt the same about California after Prop 8 passed, too. DH and I may revisit the idea of living in NC in the future. There are parts of NC that I really like, and I am just so sad about this vote and what it says about many (but of course not all) of the people who live there.

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I can't speak about Christians who don't support gay marriage because I am not one of them. Every person has their own reasons for why they do/don't support a particular issue. Being Christian does not make you of the same mindset of other Christians on all issues.

That’s fine, I suppose – but are you consistent? Do you believe on the Bible’s stance on everything, with no room for negotiation? Slavery? The roles of women in society? Penalties for infidelity?

I suspect the answer to that question is no, of course you don't believe strictly with EVERYTHING the Bible says. So how do you pick and choose? Why do you support some Bible stances unconditionally and not others? Do you think homosexuality is more evil than slavery? The subjugation of women?

My point is not to attack you, but to illustrate that the reason many Christians and other religious people oppose gay marriage is NOT because the Bible says so - the Bible says a lot of things are anachronisms. That's just camouflage - a fig leaf to cover up the fact that the individuals in question, for some reason, are opposed to gay marriage and homosexuality.

If you are talking about OT laws, then no I don't follow them. Christians follow the NT.

Really? So the 10 Commandments are irrelevant? Good to know (although the gospels say differently). Also, the NT condones slavery - can I assume you're OK with that?

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Anonymous wrote:Just cancelled our duck trip. Lost the deposit but worth it.

I'm sure it was a difficult decision to make, but I'm proud of you! It's wonderful when people stand up for their principles to help rid our country of inequality and bigotry.

DH and I are in the process of deciding if/where we should move. We had been looking very seriously at a few cities in North Carolina. As of yesterday, we completely crossed NC off of our list.

Could you be a little more condescending, please?

You read condescending, I read that OP did something really cool. She put her money where her mouth is, and she deserves recognition. It's easy to sit around and bitch about things, but it takes some actual balls/ovaries to take action. I think she's awesome and I'm proud of her. If you don't like it, that's really your own problem and not mine.

No, honey, it's YOU who is condescending. "I'm proud of you?" I'm sure that really made her day. Probably her whole week.

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Anonymous wrote:http://unicornbooty.com/blog/2011/08/19/a-few-words-on-gay-marriage-gay-lunch-and-gay-parking/

Why do we keep calling it "gay marriage" - isn't it just marriage?

And I love how we sign our names -

Signed -

A white, hetrosexual, married women, with brown hair and brown eyes, maybe 5'6 and 5-6 lbs overweight, I like rainbows and puppydogs, I wear size 7.5 shoes but sometimes lie about wearing 7 and have freckles on my nose and have a brown cockerspaniel and a 2.5 year old and I just finished eating a poptart.

Does that make my opinion on marriage more relevant then yours? I think the fact that I had a poptart for breakfast does.

OMG, you eat poptarts?

You know it baby.

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Anonymous wrote:Just cancelled our duck trip. Lost the deposit but worth it.

I'm sure it was a difficult decision to make, but I'm proud of you! It's wonderful when people stand up for their principles to help rid our country of inequality and bigotry.

DH and I are in the process of deciding if/where we should move. We had been looking very seriously at a few cities in North Carolina. As of yesterday, we completely crossed NC off of our list.

Could you be a little more condescending, please?

You read condescending, I read that OP did something really cool. She put her money where her mouth is, and she deserves recognition. It's easy to sit around and bitch about things, but it takes some actual balls/ovaries to take action. I think she's awesome and I'm proud of her. If you don't like it, that's really your own problem and not mine.

No, honey, it's YOU who is condescending. "I'm proud of you?" I'm sure that really made her day. Probably her whole week.

Sorry, doll, but again, if you find my words condescending than that is a reflection on you, not on my words. A lot of people talk the talk but don't actually follow through. And so I think that OP is awesome, and yes, I'm proud of her. How you feel about me and my supposed condescension is completely irrelevant and of no interest to me. If my words made OP feel happy or sad or completely neutral, I'm still proud of her. She feels strongly enough about this injustice that was just passed that she is doing something about it. I'm proud of people who stand up for the rights of others. And if that makes me condescending, I guess I'm condescending.

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Anonymous wrote:Just cancelled our duck trip. Lost the deposit but worth it.

I'm sure it was a difficult decision to make, but I'm proud of you! It's wonderful when people stand up for their principles to help rid our country of inequality and bigotry.

DH and I are in the process of deciding if/where we should move. We had been looking very seriously at a few cities in North Carolina. As of yesterday, we completely crossed NC off of our list.

Could you be a little more condescending, please?

You read condescending, I read that OP did something really cool. She put her money where her mouth is, and she deserves recognition. It's easy to sit around and bitch about things, but it takes some actual balls/ovaries to take action. I think she's awesome and I'm proud of her. If you don't like it, that's really your own problem and not mine.

No, honey, it's YOU who is condescending. "I'm proud of you?" I'm sure that really made her day. Probably her whole week.

It's amazing to me what gets people pissy on this site. Seriously, calm down. What's the matter with you?

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I can't speak about Christians who don't support gay marriage because I am not one of them. Every person has their own reasons for why they do/don't support a particular issue. Being Christian does not make you of the same mindset of other Christians on all issues.

That’s fine, I suppose – but are you consistent? Do you believe on the Bible’s stance on everything, with no room for negotiation? Slavery? The roles of women in society? Penalties for infidelity?

I suspect the answer to that question is no, of course you don't believe strictly with EVERYTHING the Bible says. So how do you pick and choose? Why do you support some Bible stances unconditionally and not others? Do you think homosexuality is more evil than slavery? The subjugation of women?

My point is not to attack you, but to illustrate that the reason many Christians and other religious people oppose gay marriage is NOT because the Bible says so - the Bible says a lot of things are anachronisms. That's just camouflage - a fig leaf to cover up the fact that the individuals in question, for some reason, are opposed to gay marriage and homosexuality.

If you are talking about OT laws, then no I don't follow them. Christians follow the NT.

Really? So the 10 Commandments are irrelevant? Good to know (although the gospels say differently). Also, the NT condones slavery - can I assume you're OK with that?

No, they aren't irrelevant. You're being intentionally obtuse. I can't help you with that, but some Internet research (on your part) might.

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I can't speak about Christians who don't support gay marriage because I am not one of them. Every person has their own reasons for why they do/don't support a particular issue. Being Christian does not make you of the same mindset of other Christians on all issues.

That’s fine, I suppose – but are you consistent? Do you believe on the Bible’s stance on everything, with no room for negotiation? Slavery? The roles of women in society? Penalties for infidelity?

I suspect the answer to that question is no, of course you don't believe strictly with EVERYTHING the Bible says. So how do you pick and choose? Why do you support some Bible stances unconditionally and not others? Do you think homosexuality is more evil than slavery? The subjugation of women?

My point is not to attack you, but to illustrate that the reason many Christians and other religious people oppose gay marriage is NOT because the Bible says so - the Bible says a lot of things are anachronisms. That's just camouflage - a fig leaf to cover up the fact that the individuals in question, for some reason, are opposed to gay marriage and homosexuality.

Internet research has revealed that the gospels state that OT laws still apply to Christians. Care to comment?
If you are talking about OT laws, then no I don't follow them. Christians follow the NT.

Really? So the 10 Commandments are irrelevant? Good to know (although the gospels say differently). Also, the NT condones slavery - can I assume you're OK with that?

No, they aren't irrelevant. You're being intentionally obtuse. I can't help you with that, but some Internet research (on your part) might.

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As usual, this whole discussion devolves into nonsense.

I cannot, for the life of me, understand why people are so up in arms in these United States about people's personal freedoms. If I had my way, we would have never elevated or confer benefits to one relationship over another. All relations between and among humans are sacred, or at least that is the way it should be.

This "my relationship is more legit than yours" is really unproductive and un-American. And, as a AA, I am sick to death of this "you can equate my struggle" nonsense.

What NC did is bigoted and is very retro. You all really should remember that none of us are free until all of us are free.

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I love two women, can we legally get married? Seriously, why not? Give me one good reason other than bigotry towards my beliefs.

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Anonymous wrote:I love two women, can we legally get married? Seriously, why not? Give me one good reason other than bigotry towards my beliefs.

Polygamy is an administrative nightmare. Who would make emergency medical decisions if two spouses wanted completely different treatment plans? Would an employer be forced to provide health insurance to cover all of spouses and those spouses' children? How would life insurance, inheritance work? Divorce? Alimony...If a fourth wife of a man divorced her husband, would his other three wives' income be included her potential alimony award?