Have you decided to age naturally, gracefully- no botox, etc.?

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Anonymous wrote:It helps to live in the DMV where I’ve never seen a woman wear makeup. I guess if I lived in CA or TX I might be reaching for these interventions more.

+1. My office is full of 40-65 year old women, and no one does anything. I feel like doing anything would make me stand out in a weird way.

This is why the DMV sucks so bad. You don't have to have a Mar-a-lago face to look nice. I dress up everyday and do wear makeup. I certainly stand out in the office. I also get a LOT of compliments because I act like I give a sh*t.

I do all the things. Botox, micro-needling, chemical peels, really good skincare. I recently had filler dissolved that was initially under my eyes for hallows, but it moved into my cheeks. If you didn't know you wouldn't notice b/c I have high cheekbones, but it bothered me. Much happier without it.

I also dress nicely and am thin. I am very fit. I'm 56. I'm not trying to look younger, just really good for my age.

Just people are polite enough not to mention your messed up fillers doesn’t mean they didn’t notice.

That's really mean. Why are women saying these kinds of things? It's the patriarchy getting us to fight.

I probably won't ever get fillers, Botox, etc, but I don't know why we're tearing each other down. I don't think either way is right or says something larger about society. It's the mommy wars continued.

I’m confident that sticking chemicals in your face to fight a losing battle is the wrong way. I have no idea what you are prattling on about the patriarchy and mommy wars. Lord. Women don’t gain, nearly what they lose, when they spend so much money on their appearance.

You continue to prove my point with the sexist term "prattling on."

I am happy to report that prattling on is an equal opportunity insult.

Nope. Nobody says that about men.

Here you are certain that your thoughts about beauty are the right way, but you're ignoring the ugliness within.

I do, especially when they make dumb comments. So how is taking issue with women spending $$$ to inject their faces with chemicals to fight a losing battle with aging part of the patriarchy? You never were able to defend that pathetic statement.

+ a million. Absurd. But she does this sht to be “better” than other women, and cannot admit it to herself.

LOL. I think I'm "better" than other women because I'm asking people to stop caring about who "ages gracefully" and who does not because it's a no-win battle?! I'm not on here needing a cookie because I don't do Botox. Obviously both of you have to judge other women because you're not comfortable in your own skin. This started with the other pp being pissed that I called out her mean comment.

My mean comment was that people likely noticed the PP who had fillers that migrated. I’m sorry you think living in reality is mean. I notice you didn’t respond to the same woman who said the DMV sucks so bad- you only take the time to scold one side. So no, no one believes tou.

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Anonymous wrote:It helps to live in the DMV where I’ve never seen a woman wear makeup. I guess if I lived in CA or TX I might be reaching for these interventions more.

My younger brother and his wife live in Dallas. She is 10 years younger than me (so early 40s), and all her friends use botox, chemical peels etc. She and I were discussing this, and I realized that at 53 I don't know anybody who uses botox, fillers, or even chemical peels. I use tretinoin and most of the women my age color their hair to hide gray, but I think DC tends to be low intervention. I am in academia. My good friends are in large non-profits, academica, and federal government. Maybe it helps to look a little older in these environments?

I just think your environments are less superficial and maybe rely less on looks than let's say sales, corporate, and cities where modeling/influencing matter more. Living in NYC or Miami or Los Angeles seems to have more procedures than perhaps let's say Kansas but those Mormon wives seem to do plenty in Utah with plastic surgery.

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Anonymous wrote:It helps to live in the DMV where I’ve never seen a woman wear makeup. I guess if I lived in CA or TX I might be reaching for these interventions more.

My younger brother and his wife live in Dallas. She is 10 years younger than me (so early 40s), and all her friends use botox, chemical peels etc. She and I were discussing this, and I realized that at 53 I don't know anybody who uses botox, fillers, or even chemical peels. I use tretinoin and most of the women my age color their hair to hide gray, but I think DC tends to be low intervention. I am in academia. My good friends are in large non-profits, academica, and federal government. Maybe it helps to look a little older in these environments?

I just think your environments are less superficial and maybe rely less on looks than let's say sales, corporate, and cities where modeling/influencing matter more. Living in NYC or Miami or Los Angeles seems to have more procedures than perhaps let's say Kansas but those Mormon wives seem to do plenty in Utah with plastic surgery.

I just replied to a wonky spendthrift dummy - I live in NYC in a very expensive area and not everyone does All The Things. The person who does in my larger set is the youngest and can’t find a man to seriously date, and she now regards her procedures as crucial to finding love.

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Anonymous wrote:It helps to live in the DMV where I’ve never seen a woman wear makeup. I guess if I lived in CA or TX I might be reaching for these interventions more.

+1. My office is full of 40-65 year old women, and no one does anything. I feel like doing anything would make me stand out in a weird way.

This is why the DMV sucks so bad. You don't have to have a Mar-a-lago face to look nice. I dress up everyday and do wear makeup. I certainly stand out in the office. I also get a LOT of compliments because I act like I give a sh*t.

I do all the things. Botox, micro-needling, chemical peels, really good skincare. I recently had filler dissolved that was initially under my eyes for hallows, but it moved into my cheeks. If you didn't know you wouldn't notice b/c I have high cheekbones, but it bothered me. Much happier without it.

I also dress nicely and am thin. I am very fit. I'm 56. I'm not trying to look younger, just really good for my age.

Just people are polite enough not to mention your messed up fillers doesn’t mean they didn’t notice.

That's really mean. Why are women saying these kinds of things? It's the patriarchy getting us to fight.

I probably won't ever get fillers, Botox, etc, but I don't know why we're tearing each other down. I don't think either way is right or says something larger about society. It's the mommy wars continued.

I’m confident that sticking chemicals in your face to fight a losing battle is the wrong way. I have no idea what you are prattling on about the patriarchy and mommy wars. Lord. Women don’t gain, nearly what they lose, when they spend so much money on their appearance.

You continue to prove my point with the sexist term "prattling on."

I am happy to report that prattling on is an equal opportunity insult.

Nope. Nobody says that about men.

Here you are certain that your thoughts about beauty are the right way, but you're ignoring the ugliness within.

I do, especially when they make dumb comments. So how is taking issue with women spending $$$ to inject their faces with chemicals to fight a losing battle with aging part of the patriarchy? You never were able to defend that pathetic statement.

+ a million. Absurd. But she does this sht to be “better” than other women, and cannot admit it to herself.

LOL. I think I'm "better" than other women because I'm asking people to stop caring about who "ages gracefully" and who does not because it's a no-win battle?! I'm not on here needing a cookie because I don't do Botox. Obviously both of you have to judge other women because you're not comfortable in your own skin. This started with the other pp being pissed that I called out her mean comment.

My mean comment was that people likely noticed the PP who had fillers that migrated. I’m sorry you think living in reality is mean. I notice you didn’t respond to the same woman who said the DMV sucks so bad- you only take the time to scold one side. So no, no one believes tou.

The reality is a lot of people wouldn’t notice it. Not all people are focused on examining women’s faces or paying that close of attention. If some did, they kindly weren’t mean to her face. Your comment was to point out a possible “reality” only to humiliate her.

No, I haven’t been policing this thread. The entire thread sucks. There shouldn’t be sides arguing and shaming—yes, it sucks on all sides. Women should do whatever they want on the beauty scale and not feel like they have to justify it. If we were all secure, none of this would matter.

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Anonymous wrote:It helps to live in the DMV where I’ve never seen a woman wear makeup. I guess if I lived in CA or TX I might be reaching for these interventions more.

+1. My office is full of 40-65 year old women, and no one does anything. I feel like doing anything would make me stand out in a weird way.

This is why the DMV sucks so bad. You don't have to have a Mar-a-lago face to look nice. I dress up everyday and do wear makeup. I certainly stand out in the office. I also get a LOT of compliments because I act like I give a sh*t.

I do all the things. Botox, micro-needling, chemical peels, really good skincare. I recently had filler dissolved that was initially under my eyes for hallows, but it moved into my cheeks. If you didn't know you wouldn't notice b/c I have high cheekbones, but it bothered me. Much happier without it.

I also dress nicely and am thin. I am very fit. I'm 56. I'm not trying to look younger, just really good for my age.

Just people are polite enough not to mention your messed up fillers doesn’t mean they didn’t notice.

That's really mean. Why are women saying these kinds of things? It's the patriarchy getting us to fight.

I probably won't ever get fillers, Botox, etc, but I don't know why we're tearing each other down. I don't think either way is right or says something larger about society. It's the mommy wars continued.

I’m confident that sticking chemicals in your face to fight a losing battle is the wrong way. I have no idea what you are prattling on about the patriarchy and mommy wars. Lord. Women don’t gain, nearly what they lose, when they spend so much money on their appearance.

You continue to prove my point with the sexist term "prattling on."

I am happy to report that prattling on is an equal opportunity insult.

Nope. Nobody says that about men.

Here you are certain that your thoughts about beauty are the right way, but you're ignoring the ugliness within.

I do, especially when they make dumb comments. So how is taking issue with women spending $$$ to inject their faces with chemicals to fight a losing battle with aging part of the patriarchy? You never were able to defend that pathetic statement.

+ a million. Absurd. But she does this sht to be “better” than other women, and cannot admit it to herself.

LOL. I think I'm "better" than other women because I'm asking people to stop caring about who "ages gracefully" and who does not because it's a no-win battle?! I'm not on here needing a cookie because I don't do Botox. Obviously both of you have to judge other women because you're not comfortable in your own skin. This started with the other pp being pissed that I called out her mean comment.

My mean comment was that people likely noticed the PP who had fillers that migrated. I’m sorry you think living in reality is mean. I notice you didn’t respond to the same woman who said the DMV sucks so bad- you only take the time to scold one side. So no, no one believes tou.

The reality is a lot of people wouldn’t notice it. Not all people are focused on examining women’s faces or paying that close of attention. If some did, they kindly weren’t mean to her face. Your comment was to point out a possible “reality” only to humiliate her.

No, I haven’t been policing this thread. The entire thread sucks. There shouldn’t be sides arguing and shaming—yes, it sucks on all sides. Women should do whatever they want on the beauty scale and not feel like they have to justify it. If we were all secure, none of this would matter.

You realized that you have parroted back my first comment which triggered all of this but in your own words, right - just because people are polite enough not to comment doesn’t mean they don’t notice.

Keep at it - you only police my comments - not the women who say comment negatively on women who don’t engage in their treatments.

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Anonymous wrote:It helps to live in the DMV where I’ve never seen a woman wear makeup. I guess if I lived in CA or TX I might be reaching for these interventions more.

+1. My office is full of 40-65 year old women, and no one does anything. I feel like doing anything would make me stand out in a weird way.

This is why the DMV sucks so bad. You don't have to have a Mar-a-lago face to look nice. I dress up everyday and do wear makeup. I certainly stand out in the office. I also get a LOT of compliments because I act like I give a sh*t.

I do all the things. Botox, micro-needling, chemical peels, really good skincare. I recently had filler dissolved that was initially under my eyes for hallows, but it moved into my cheeks. If you didn't know you wouldn't notice b/c I have high cheekbones, but it bothered me. Much happier without it.

I also dress nicely and am thin. I am very fit. I'm 56. I'm not trying to look younger, just really good for my age.

Just people are polite enough not to mention your messed up fillers doesn’t mean they didn’t notice.

That's really mean. Why are women saying these kinds of things? It's the patriarchy getting us to fight.

I probably won't ever get fillers, Botox, etc, but I don't know why we're tearing each other down. I don't think either way is right or says something larger about society. It's the mommy wars continued.

I’m confident that sticking chemicals in your face to fight a losing battle is the wrong way. I have no idea what you are prattling on about the patriarchy and mommy wars. Lord. Women don’t gain, nearly what they lose, when they spend so much money on their appearance.

You continue to prove my point with the sexist term "prattling on."

I am happy to report that prattling on is an equal opportunity insult.

Nope. Nobody says that about men.

Here you are certain that your thoughts about beauty are the right way, but you're ignoring the ugliness within.

I do, especially when they make dumb comments. So how is taking issue with women spending $$$ to inject their faces with chemicals to fight a losing battle with aging part of the patriarchy? You never were able to defend that pathetic statement.

+ a million. Absurd. But she does this sht to be “better” than other women, and cannot admit it to herself.

LOL. I think I'm "better" than other women because I'm asking people to stop caring about who "ages gracefully" and who does not because it's a no-win battle?! I'm not on here needing a cookie because I don't do Botox. Obviously both of you have to judge other women because you're not comfortable in your own skin. This started with the other pp being pissed that I called out her mean comment.

My mean comment was that people likely noticed the PP who had fillers that migrated. I’m sorry you think living in reality is mean. I notice you didn’t respond to the same woman who said the DMV sucks so bad- you only take the time to scold one side. So no, no one believes tou.

The reality is a lot of people wouldn’t notice it. Not all people are focused on examining women’s faces or paying that close of attention. If some did, they kindly weren’t mean to her face. Your comment was to point out a possible “reality” only to humiliate her.

No, I haven’t been policing this thread. The entire thread sucks. There shouldn’t be sides arguing and shaming—yes, it sucks on all sides. Women should do whatever they want on the beauty scale and not feel like they have to justify it. If we were all secure, none of this would matter.

You realized that you have parroted back my first comment which triggered all of this but in your own words, right - just because people are polite enough not to comment doesn’t mean they don’t notice.

Keep at it - you only police my comments - not the women who say comment negatively on women who don’t engage in their treatments.

You’re exactly right. She’s a liar.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In my sixties, botoxing, using fillers, small amount of plastic surgery.

I’m tired of it, never ending. I’ve decided to age naturally, wrinkles and all. It will be tough, all my friends are sculpted.

Anyone else tired of beautifying?

It is tiring. But age discrimination against women in the workplace is real. It’s cheaper to keep looking young as long as possible than need to go on food stamps.

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Anonymous wrote:In my sixties, botoxing, using fillers, small amount of plastic surgery.

I’m tired of it, never ending. I’ve decided to age naturally, wrinkles and all. It will be tough, all my friends are sculpted.

Anyone else tired of beautifying?

It is tiring. But age discrimination against women in the workplace is real. It’s cheaper to keep looking young as long as possible than need to go on food stamps.

What’s the industry? Modeling? Acting? Fashion? Sales and marketing? Not sure beautify is what’s keeping you off food stamps in any other industry.

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Anonymous wrote:It helps to live in the DMV where I’ve never seen a woman wear makeup. I guess if I lived in CA or TX I might be reaching for these interventions more.

My younger brother and his wife live in Dallas. She is 10 years younger than me (so early 40s), and all her friends use botox, chemical peels etc. She and I were discussing this, and I realized that at 53 I don't know anybody who uses botox, fillers, or even chemical peels. I use tretinoin and most of the women my age color their hair to hide gray, but I think DC tends to be low intervention. I am in academia. My good friends are in large non-profits, academica, and federal government. Maybe it helps to look a little older in these environments?

I just think your environments are less superficial and maybe rely less on looks than let's say sales, corporate, and cities where modeling/influencing matter more. Living in NYC or Miami or Los Angeles seems to have more procedures than perhaps let's say Kansas but those Mormon wives seem to do plenty in Utah with plastic surgery.

I just replied to a wonky spendthrift dummy - I live in NYC in a very expensive area and not everyone does All The Things. The person who does in my larger set is the youngest and can’t find a man to seriously date, and she now regards her procedures as crucial to finding love.

It probably is, if she's shooting for men who live in a very expensive part of NYC. The standard is high. Not everyone does All The Things, but you stand out more if you don't do some of the things than if you do. I have a cosmetic dermatologist who is all about subtle improvements - light Botox, light biostimulators, big on lasers, etc. The women coming out of her office are mostly professional women in their 30s-50s who don't look "done" at all. They just look good. There are also men in the waiting room, but I've yet to see anyone with giant lips or puffy faces.

[Anonymous]

Yup I am tired of coloring my hair every 9-11 days to cover up my gray roots.

It’s like such a HUGE pain to do and my bathroom counters /walls all have stains!

But I am too scared to go gray - even a little.

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I’m fine with anyone doing anything and I support everyone.

I do find that the times my signs of aging bother me are not the times I’m doing my favorite things. I can certainly see why, for other women, that wouldn’t be true. Like if you’re favorite things include your public facing career or dating or fashion. Those are all good favorite things, and procedures might support them.

What I don’t want to do is get procedures to support things I don’t like doing anyway.

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There is no aging gracefully. You look awful. What you look like does not match what you feel like.

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Anonymous wrote:There is no aging gracefully. You look awful. What you look like does not match what you feel like.

Your outsides must be as gnarly as your fked up insides.

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No. I love Botox.

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55, botox, filler, tummy tuck, breast lift, dye my grays