Anonymous wrote:Can someone clarify exactly what happened. Drinking alcohol in front of students is not acceptable. Drinking alcohol privately no one cares.
You think, in theory, one drink in front of kids isn’t acceptable- after hours on a field trip? In other words, modeling responsible drinking is a bad thing?
DP
Depends on the work contract. I am not allowed to drink alcohol inside the work cafeteria.
I would expect teachers to not drink alcohol while taking care of my kids. Even if it’s just having dinner.
Then I’m sure you would agree you shouldn’t have a drink with dinner after hours at a work conference. The conference is an extension of the office, after all.
How many minors attend work conferences? So yes, alcohol in dinner at work conference it’s ok.
You said alcohol in your work place isn’t appropriate, but a conference is an extension of work.
Now you’re changing your story to drinking in the presence of minors. That’s fine.
I’m assuming you never have a drink with dinner around your kids, right? And you don’t dine at restaurants that serve alcohol, right?
You can try your arguments in one place: Anonymous Alcoholics. Good luck convincing them.
Following your argument. Drinking alcohol at your home it’s ok, but not so much while you are on duty. For example, I haven’t met doctors drinking while making a diagnostic.
If you don’t like the rule, you can try another school. You might be surprised to learn their views.
If you drink while on duty parenting, which is 24/7, maybe you should take your own advice and head to AA.
But in all seriousness, kids binge drink because of parents like you. You throw a fit over kids being exposed to responsible drinking around role models, then you wonder why they abuse it behind your back. Europeans would laugh at your provincial attitude.
I am sorry but you are a bit confused. At home is up the parents to decide if they drink or don’t drink. At school is not up to teacher to decide if it’s fine to drink or not in front of the students. If you like to drink in front of the students then go to Europe and you will be happier.
Why is this such a problem for you? Are you seriously offended if your kid is exposed to alcohol? Do you truly think your kid was in danger? Seriously, explain yourself.
But you agree with me that is not up to teacher to decide whether to drink or not in front of a kid, right? Or the opinion of the parents is irrelevant and the only thing that matters is what the teacher wants to do? Please tell me.
Drinking in front of students is a grey area. I think it’s ridiculous to compare drinking in the classroom to a drink at the bar after a field trip at the end of the day. If a teacher was having a beer at lunch before the day ended, I would agree with you. Way too many drinks at the bar after a field trip to where someone is truly unable to help in an emergency would also be different. But no, I have no issue with the theoretical case in question. This isn’t a one size fits all situation and you apparently lack critical thinking skills.
But I’ll ask again, did you have a kid there? Was the kid offended, in danger? Please tell us exactly why this was so awful.
Well, luckily you are not in charge of the school. Drinking alcohol while chaperoning kids is not a grey area, because it affects how you perform while supervising them. If you cannot go without alcohol, then do not chaperone. Problem solved.
That’s your opinion. Plenty of responsible adults can have a drink or two with dinner and not miss a beat.
However, why are you dodging my question? Are you simply offended by your kid being exposed to responsible drinking? Did something happen as a result of a drink or two that made you fear for your child’s safety? Do you think teachers are babysitters? Be specific.
I am dodging any question, I responded very clearly : “ Drinking alcohol while chaperoning kids is not a grey area, because it affects how you perform while supervising them. ”
I am not sure what else is to say. But of course, please feel free to defend a staff that’s was drinking while on duty. You seem to get very creative with the arguments.
Okay, let’s say you’re right. Can you not give any specific examples about how drinking alcohol impacted performance? What actually happened?! Did your kid need a band aid and someone was drunk off one beer and nowhere to be found?
You seem to value more the freedom of a teacher to drink alcoholic drinks in front of the students than the freedom of parents to pick a school where teachers do not drink while on duty. guess what. Who pays the school tuition? Think about it for 2 minutes, and then you can respond.
You have the right to your opinion, that’s fine.
Can you really not say what happened as the result of drinking in front of students that was worth the loss of employment? If the drinking led to negligent behavior and bad things happened, let’s hear it
Or can you not give an example because nothing actually happened? If you think someone should have been fired on this principle alone, just say it. You have the right to your opinion.
Let me tell you something. Next time the police stops you for DUI, use the same arguments and tell the officer that nothing happened while you had just one glass of wine. Let me know how it goes.
Wow. You really can’t give a single example can you? Not one, single, example?
Well if they drink they be and drive if there is an emergency. They just gave an example.
Was there an emergency? Were they over the legal limit to drive?
There was an emergency, but it’s confidential because it would reveal something about a student.
I don’t think there is a way to know if you are over the legal limit, do most drinkers carry a breathalyzer?
Did the teachers self report about the drinking during the incident report for the emergency?
Okay. Were they unable to properly handle the situation due to having had a drink?
Maybe, I think there was a police report filed. That’s probably how administration learned of it.
Maybe, meaning you don’t actually know?
I heard about the police report and that there was an incident. If my kid was there I would want stone cold chaperones dealing with first responders and any fall out. What if there was a crime at proper and they needed to drive home early? Just hangout at Starbucks until teacher sobers up?
Sure, this would be a reasonable take if a teacher was totally drunk and unable to do their job. Most people are not drunk from 1-2 drinks.
A teacher should not be driving students after 2 drinks.
Anonymous wrote:Can someone clarify exactly what happened. Drinking alcohol in front of students is not acceptable. Drinking alcohol privately no one cares.
You think, in theory, one drink in front of kids isn’t acceptable- after hours on a field trip? In other words, modeling responsible drinking is a bad thing?
DP
Depends on the work contract. I am not allowed to drink alcohol inside the work cafeteria.
I would expect teachers to not drink alcohol while taking care of my kids. Even if it’s just having dinner.
Then I’m sure you would agree you shouldn’t have a drink with dinner after hours at a work conference. The conference is an extension of the office, after all.
How many minors attend work conferences? So yes, alcohol in dinner at work conference it’s ok.
You said alcohol in your work place isn’t appropriate, but a conference is an extension of work.
Now you’re changing your story to drinking in the presence of minors. That’s fine.
I’m assuming you never have a drink with dinner around your kids, right? And you don’t dine at restaurants that serve alcohol, right?
You can try your arguments in one place: Anonymous Alcoholics. Good luck convincing them.
Following your argument. Drinking alcohol at your home it’s ok, but not so much while you are on duty. For example, I haven’t met doctors drinking while making a diagnostic.
If you don’t like the rule, you can try another school. You might be surprised to learn their views.
If you drink while on duty parenting, which is 24/7, maybe you should take your own advice and head to AA.
But in all seriousness, kids binge drink because of parents like you. You throw a fit over kids being exposed to responsible drinking around role models, then you wonder why they abuse it behind your back. Europeans would laugh at your provincial attitude.
I am sorry but you are a bit confused. At home is up the parents to decide if they drink or don’t drink. At school is not up to teacher to decide if it’s fine to drink or not in front of the students. If you like to drink in front of the students then go to Europe and you will be happier.
Why is this such a problem for you? Are you seriously offended if your kid is exposed to alcohol? Do you truly think your kid was in danger? Seriously, explain yourself.
But you agree with me that is not up to teacher to decide whether to drink or not in front of a kid, right? Or the opinion of the parents is irrelevant and the only thing that matters is what the teacher wants to do? Please tell me.
Drinking in front of students is a grey area. I think it’s ridiculous to compare drinking in the classroom to a drink at the bar after a field trip at the end of the day. If a teacher was having a beer at lunch before the day ended, I would agree with you. Way too many drinks at the bar after a field trip to where someone is truly unable to help in an emergency would also be different. But no, I have no issue with the theoretical case in question. This isn’t a one size fits all situation and you apparently lack critical thinking skills.
But I’ll ask again, did you have a kid there? Was the kid offended, in danger? Please tell us exactly why this was so awful.
Well, luckily you are not in charge of the school. Drinking alcohol while chaperoning kids is not a grey area, because it affects how you perform while supervising them. If you cannot go without alcohol, then do not chaperone. Problem solved.
That’s your opinion. Plenty of responsible adults can have a drink or two with dinner and not miss a beat.
However, why are you dodging my question? Are you simply offended by your kid being exposed to responsible drinking? Did something happen as a result of a drink or two that made you fear for your child’s safety? Do you think teachers are babysitters? Be specific.
I am dodging any question, I responded very clearly : “ Drinking alcohol while chaperoning kids is not a grey area, because it affects how you perform while supervising them. ”
I am not sure what else is to say. But of course, please feel free to defend a staff that’s was drinking while on duty. You seem to get very creative with the arguments.
Okay, let’s say you’re right. Can you not give any specific examples about how drinking alcohol impacted performance? What actually happened?! Did your kid need a band aid and someone was drunk off one beer and nowhere to be found?
You seem to value more the freedom of a teacher to drink alcoholic drinks in front of the students than the freedom of parents to pick a school where teachers do not drink while on duty. guess what. Who pays the school tuition? Think about it for 2 minutes, and then you can respond.
You have the right to your opinion, that’s fine.
Can you really not say what happened as the result of drinking in front of students that was worth the loss of employment? If the drinking led to negligent behavior and bad things happened, let’s hear it
Or can you not give an example because nothing actually happened? If you think someone should have been fired on this principle alone, just say it. You have the right to your opinion.
Let me tell you something. Next time the police stops you for DUI, use the same arguments and tell the officer that nothing happened while you had just one glass of wine. Let me know how it goes.
Wow. You really can’t give a single example can you? Not one, single, example?
Well if they drink they be and drive if there is an emergency. They just gave an example.
Was there an emergency? Were they over the legal limit to drive?
There was an emergency, but it’s confidential because it would reveal something about a student.
I don’t think there is a way to know if you are over the legal limit, do most drinkers carry a breathalyzer?
Did the teachers self report about the drinking during the incident report for the emergency?
Okay. Were they unable to properly handle the situation due to having had a drink?
Maybe, I think there was a police report filed. That’s probably how administration learned of it.
Maybe, meaning you don’t actually know?
I heard about the police report and that there was an incident. If my kid was there I would want stone cold chaperones dealing with first responders and any fall out. What if there was a crime at proper and they needed to drive home early? Just hangout at Starbucks until teacher sobers up?
Sure, this would be a reasonable take if a teacher was totally drunk and unable to do their job. Most people are not drunk from 1-2 drinks.
A teacher should not be driving students after 2 drinks.
Anonymous wrote:Can someone clarify exactly what happened. Drinking alcohol in front of students is not acceptable. Drinking alcohol privately no one cares.
You think, in theory, one drink in front of kids isn’t acceptable- after hours on a field trip? In other words, modeling responsible drinking is a bad thing?
DP
Depends on the work contract. I am not allowed to drink alcohol inside the work cafeteria.
I would expect teachers to not drink alcohol while taking care of my kids. Even if it’s just having dinner.
Then I’m sure you would agree you shouldn’t have a drink with dinner after hours at a work conference. The conference is an extension of the office, after all.
How many minors attend work conferences? So yes, alcohol in dinner at work conference it’s ok.
You said alcohol in your work place isn’t appropriate, but a conference is an extension of work.
Now you’re changing your story to drinking in the presence of minors. That’s fine.
I’m assuming you never have a drink with dinner around your kids, right? And you don’t dine at restaurants that serve alcohol, right?
You can try your arguments in one place: Anonymous Alcoholics. Good luck convincing them.
Following your argument. Drinking alcohol at your home it’s ok, but not so much while you are on duty. For example, I haven’t met doctors drinking while making a diagnostic.
If you don’t like the rule, you can try another school. You might be surprised to learn their views.
If you drink while on duty parenting, which is 24/7, maybe you should take your own advice and head to AA.
But in all seriousness, kids binge drink because of parents like you. You throw a fit over kids being exposed to responsible drinking around role models, then you wonder why they abuse it behind your back. Europeans would laugh at your provincial attitude.
I am sorry but you are a bit confused. At home is up the parents to decide if they drink or don’t drink. At school is not up to teacher to decide if it’s fine to drink or not in front of the students. If you like to drink in front of the students then go to Europe and you will be happier.
Why is this such a problem for you? Are you seriously offended if your kid is exposed to alcohol? Do you truly think your kid was in danger? Seriously, explain yourself.
But you agree with me that is not up to teacher to decide whether to drink or not in front of a kid, right? Or the opinion of the parents is irrelevant and the only thing that matters is what the teacher wants to do? Please tell me.
Drinking in front of students is a grey area. I think it’s ridiculous to compare drinking in the classroom to a drink at the bar after a field trip at the end of the day. If a teacher was having a beer at lunch before the day ended, I would agree with you. Way too many drinks at the bar after a field trip to where someone is truly unable to help in an emergency would also be different. But no, I have no issue with the theoretical case in question. This isn’t a one size fits all situation and you apparently lack critical thinking skills.
But I’ll ask again, did you have a kid there? Was the kid offended, in danger? Please tell us exactly why this was so awful.
Well, luckily you are not in charge of the school. Drinking alcohol while chaperoning kids is not a grey area, because it affects how you perform while supervising them. If you cannot go without alcohol, then do not chaperone. Problem solved.
That’s your opinion. Plenty of responsible adults can have a drink or two with dinner and not miss a beat.
However, why are you dodging my question? Are you simply offended by your kid being exposed to responsible drinking? Did something happen as a result of a drink or two that made you fear for your child’s safety? Do you think teachers are babysitters? Be specific.
I am dodging any question, I responded very clearly : “ Drinking alcohol while chaperoning kids is not a grey area, because it affects how you perform while supervising them. ”
I am not sure what else is to say. But of course, please feel free to defend a staff that’s was drinking while on duty. You seem to get very creative with the arguments.
Okay, let’s say you’re right. Can you not give any specific examples about how drinking alcohol impacted performance? What actually happened?! Did your kid need a band aid and someone was drunk off one beer and nowhere to be found?
You seem to value more the freedom of a teacher to drink alcoholic drinks in front of the students than the freedom of parents to pick a school where teachers do not drink while on duty. guess what. Who pays the school tuition? Think about it for 2 minutes, and then you can respond.
You have the right to your opinion, that’s fine.
Can you really not say what happened as the result of drinking in front of students that was worth the loss of employment? If the drinking led to negligent behavior and bad things happened, let’s hear it
Or can you not give an example because nothing actually happened? If you think someone should have been fired on this principle alone, just say it. You have the right to your opinion.
Let me tell you something. Next time the police stops you for DUI, use the same arguments and tell the officer that nothing happened while you had just one glass of wine. Let me know how it goes.
Wow. You really can’t give a single example can you? Not one, single, example?
Well if they drink they be and drive if there is an emergency. They just gave an example.
Was there an emergency? Were they over the legal limit to drive?
There was an emergency, but it’s confidential because it would reveal something about a student.
I don’t think there is a way to know if you are over the legal limit, do most drinkers carry a breathalyzer?
Did the teachers self report about the drinking during the incident report for the emergency?
Okay. Were they unable to properly handle the situation due to having had a drink?
Maybe, I think there was a police report filed. That’s probably how administration learned of it.
Maybe, meaning you don’t actually know?
I heard about the police report and that there was an incident. If my kid was there I would want stone cold chaperones dealing with first responders and any fall out. What if there was a crime at proper and they needed to drive home early? Just hangout at Starbucks until teacher sobers up?
Sure, this would be a reasonable take if a teacher was totally drunk and unable to do their job. Most people are not drunk from 1-2 drinks.
A teacher should not be driving students after 2 drinks.
Anonymous wrote:Perhaps we can bring this thread back to its original point: staff/faculty turnover. We are relative newcomers to Holton and our DD very much appreciates her teachers. Brooke, the new principal, seems to be doing her best to learn the ropes and adapt to the school’s culture. We hope she stays on board.
As for Penny…
We have only had a few interactions. She exudes a nervous (frenetic?) energy that might be off-putting to some, but in no way did we find her offensive. Perhaps once she has accumulated a few years under her belt and selected key members of her leadership team, things will stabilize.
I have worked with folks like her in the corporate world. The Board should seriously consider having Penny work alongside an executive coach to help her navigate professional interactions among faculty and parents. A good coach can help clients refine social graces and assist them when balancing immediate versus big-picture needs.
I know some on here will say Penny is a lost cause, but that strikes me as unfair. From decades of experience I can confidently say that a change this early in her tenure will further destabilize. As a parent, I am willing to give the Board the benefit of the doubt FOR NOW. But I want to know that something is being done to right the ship, bring a collective calm, and chart a path ahead.
THIS!
Quibbling over who drank what and when is a waste of time. What's the leadership plan going forward?
Anonymous wrote:Can someone clarify exactly what happened. Drinking alcohol in front of students is not acceptable. Drinking alcohol privately no one cares.
You think, in theory, one drink in front of kids isn’t acceptable- after hours on a field trip? In other words, modeling responsible drinking is a bad thing?
DP
Depends on the work contract. I am not allowed to drink alcohol inside the work cafeteria.
I would expect teachers to not drink alcohol while taking care of my kids. Even if it’s just having dinner.
Then I’m sure you would agree you shouldn’t have a drink with dinner after hours at a work conference. The conference is an extension of the office, after all.
How many minors attend work conferences? So yes, alcohol in dinner at work conference it’s ok.
You said alcohol in your work place isn’t appropriate, but a conference is an extension of work.
Now you’re changing your story to drinking in the presence of minors. That’s fine.
I’m assuming you never have a drink with dinner around your kids, right? And you don’t dine at restaurants that serve alcohol, right?
You can try your arguments in one place: Anonymous Alcoholics. Good luck convincing them.
Following your argument. Drinking alcohol at your home it’s ok, but not so much while you are on duty. For example, I haven’t met doctors drinking while making a diagnostic.
If you don’t like the rule, you can try another school. You might be surprised to learn their views.
If you drink while on duty parenting, which is 24/7, maybe you should take your own advice and head to AA.
But in all seriousness, kids binge drink because of parents like you. You throw a fit over kids being exposed to responsible drinking around role models, then you wonder why they abuse it behind your back. Europeans would laugh at your provincial attitude.
I am sorry but you are a bit confused. At home is up the parents to decide if they drink or don’t drink. At school is not up to teacher to decide if it’s fine to drink or not in front of the students. If you like to drink in front of the students then go to Europe and you will be happier.
Why is this such a problem for you? Are you seriously offended if your kid is exposed to alcohol? Do you truly think your kid was in danger? Seriously, explain yourself.
But you agree with me that is not up to teacher to decide whether to drink or not in front of a kid, right? Or the opinion of the parents is irrelevant and the only thing that matters is what the teacher wants to do? Please tell me.
Drinking in front of students is a grey area. I think it’s ridiculous to compare drinking in the classroom to a drink at the bar after a field trip at the end of the day. If a teacher was having a beer at lunch before the day ended, I would agree with you. Way too many drinks at the bar after a field trip to where someone is truly unable to help in an emergency would also be different. But no, I have no issue with the theoretical case in question. This isn’t a one size fits all situation and you apparently lack critical thinking skills.
But I’ll ask again, did you have a kid there? Was the kid offended, in danger? Please tell us exactly why this was so awful.
Well, luckily you are not in charge of the school. Drinking alcohol while chaperoning kids is not a grey area, because it affects how you perform while supervising them. If you cannot go without alcohol, then do not chaperone. Problem solved.
That’s your opinion. Plenty of responsible adults can have a drink or two with dinner and not miss a beat.
However, why are you dodging my question? Are you simply offended by your kid being exposed to responsible drinking? Did something happen as a result of a drink or two that made you fear for your child’s safety? Do you think teachers are babysitters? Be specific.
I am dodging any question, I responded very clearly : “ Drinking alcohol while chaperoning kids is not a grey area, because it affects how you perform while supervising them. ”
I am not sure what else is to say. But of course, please feel free to defend a staff that’s was drinking while on duty. You seem to get very creative with the arguments.
Okay, let’s say you’re right. Can you not give any specific examples about how drinking alcohol impacted performance? What actually happened?! Did your kid need a band aid and someone was drunk off one beer and nowhere to be found?
You seem to value more the freedom of a teacher to drink alcoholic drinks in front of the students than the freedom of parents to pick a school where teachers do not drink while on duty. guess what. Who pays the school tuition? Think about it for 2 minutes, and then you can respond.
You have the right to your opinion, that’s fine.
Can you really not say what happened as the result of drinking in front of students that was worth the loss of employment? If the drinking led to negligent behavior and bad things happened, let’s hear it
Or can you not give an example because nothing actually happened? If you think someone should have been fired on this principle alone, just say it. You have the right to your opinion.
Let me tell you something. Next time the police stops you for DUI, use the same arguments and tell the officer that nothing happened while you had just one glass of wine. Let me know how it goes.
Wow. You really can’t give a single example can you? Not one, single, example?
Well if they drink they be and drive if there is an emergency. They just gave an example.
Was there an emergency? Were they over the legal limit to drive?
There was an emergency, but it’s confidential because it would reveal something about a student.
I don’t think there is a way to know if you are over the legal limit, do most drinkers carry a breathalyzer?
Did the teachers self report about the drinking during the incident report for the emergency?
Okay. Were they unable to properly handle the situation due to having had a drink?
Maybe, I think there was a police report filed. That’s probably how administration learned of it.
Maybe, meaning you don’t actually know?
I heard about the police report and that there was an incident. If my kid was there I would want stone cold chaperones dealing with first responders and any fall out. What if there was a crime at proper and they needed to drive home early? Just hangout at Starbucks until teacher sobers up?
Sure, this would be a reasonable take if a teacher was totally drunk and unable to do their job. Most people are not drunk from 1-2 drinks.
A teacher should not be driving students after 2 drinks.
Anonymous wrote:Perhaps we can bring this thread back to its original point: staff/faculty turnover. We are relative newcomers to Holton and our DD very much appreciates her teachers. Brooke, the new principal, seems to be doing her best to learn the ropes and adapt to the school’s culture. We hope she stays on board.
As for Penny…
We have only had a few interactions. She exudes a nervous (frenetic?) energy that might be off-putting to some, but in no way did we find her offensive. Perhaps once she has accumulated a few years under her belt and selected key members of her leadership team, things will stabilize.
I have worked with folks like her in the corporate world. The Board should seriously consider having Penny work alongside an executive coach to help her navigate professional interactions among faculty and parents. A good coach can help clients refine social graces and assist them when balancing immediate versus big-picture needs.
I know some on here will say Penny is a lost cause, but that strikes me as unfair. From decades of experience I can confidently say that a change this early in her tenure will further destabilize. As a parent, I am willing to give the Board the benefit of the doubt FOR NOW. But I want to know that something is being done to right the ship, bring a collective calm, and chart a path ahead.
THIS!
Quibbling over who drank what and when is a waste of time. What's the leadership plan going forward?
It will settle out as new staff is brought on board who align with new values.
Anonymous wrote:Perhaps we can bring this thread back to its original point: staff/faculty turnover. We are relative newcomers to Holton and our DD very much appreciates her teachers. Brooke, the new principal, seems to be doing her best to learn the ropes and adapt to the school’s culture. We hope she stays on board.
As for Penny…
We have only had a few interactions. She exudes a nervous (frenetic?) energy that might be off-putting to some, but in no way did we find her offensive. Perhaps once she has accumulated a few years under her belt and selected key members of her leadership team, things will stabilize.
I have worked with folks like her in the corporate world. The Board should seriously consider having Penny work alongside an executive coach to help her navigate professional interactions among faculty and parents. A good coach can help clients refine social graces and assist them when balancing immediate versus big-picture needs.
I know some on here will say Penny is a lost cause, but that strikes me as unfair. From decades of experience I can confidently say that a change this early in her tenure will further destabilize. As a parent, I am willing to give the Board the benefit of the doubt FOR NOW. But I want to know that something is being done to right the ship, bring a collective calm, and chart a path ahead.
THIS!
Quibbling over who drank what and when is a waste of time. What's the leadership plan going forward?
It will settle out as new staff is brought on board who align with new values.
New values? What does that mean?
As a parent, I am not concerned about creating new values. I want a stable captain at the helm who can calmly execute the values we have. I want a leader who inspires, not one who threatens or coerces. Penny needs to take a deep breath, calm down, and trust her management cadre to build trust among faculty, staff, and parents. The Board needs to guide her as needed.
Anonymous wrote:Can someone clarify exactly what happened. Drinking alcohol in front of students is not acceptable. Drinking alcohol privately no one cares.
You think, in theory, one drink in front of kids isn’t acceptable- after hours on a field trip? In other words, modeling responsible drinking is a bad thing?
DP
Depends on the work contract. I am not allowed to drink alcohol inside the work cafeteria.
I would expect teachers to not drink alcohol while taking care of my kids. Even if it’s just having dinner.
Then I’m sure you would agree you shouldn’t have a drink with dinner after hours at a work conference. The conference is an extension of the office, after all.
How many minors attend work conferences? So yes, alcohol in dinner at work conference it’s ok.
You said alcohol in your work place isn’t appropriate, but a conference is an extension of work.
Now you’re changing your story to drinking in the presence of minors. That’s fine.
I’m assuming you never have a drink with dinner around your kids, right? And you don’t dine at restaurants that serve alcohol, right?
You can try your arguments in one place: Anonymous Alcoholics. Good luck convincing them.
Following your argument. Drinking alcohol at your home it’s ok, but not so much while you are on duty. For example, I haven’t met doctors drinking while making a diagnostic.
If you don’t like the rule, you can try another school. You might be surprised to learn their views.
If you drink while on duty parenting, which is 24/7, maybe you should take your own advice and head to AA.
But in all seriousness, kids binge drink because of parents like you. You throw a fit over kids being exposed to responsible drinking around role models, then you wonder why they abuse it behind your back. Europeans would laugh at your provincial attitude.
I am sorry but you are a bit confused. At home is up the parents to decide if they drink or don’t drink. At school is not up to teacher to decide if it’s fine to drink or not in front of the students. If you like to drink in front of the students then go to Europe and you will be happier.
Why is this such a problem for you? Are you seriously offended if your kid is exposed to alcohol? Do you truly think your kid was in danger? Seriously, explain yourself.
But you agree with me that is not up to teacher to decide whether to drink or not in front of a kid, right? Or the opinion of the parents is irrelevant and the only thing that matters is what the teacher wants to do? Please tell me.
Drinking in front of students is a grey area. I think it’s ridiculous to compare drinking in the classroom to a drink at the bar after a field trip at the end of the day. If a teacher was having a beer at lunch before the day ended, I would agree with you. Way too many drinks at the bar after a field trip to where someone is truly unable to help in an emergency would also be different. But no, I have no issue with the theoretical case in question. This isn’t a one size fits all situation and you apparently lack critical thinking skills.
But I’ll ask again, did you have a kid there? Was the kid offended, in danger? Please tell us exactly why this was so awful.
Well, luckily you are not in charge of the school. Drinking alcohol while chaperoning kids is not a grey area, because it affects how you perform while supervising them. If you cannot go without alcohol, then do not chaperone. Problem solved.
That’s your opinion. Plenty of responsible adults can have a drink or two with dinner and not miss a beat.
However, why are you dodging my question? Are you simply offended by your kid being exposed to responsible drinking? Did something happen as a result of a drink or two that made you fear for your child’s safety? Do you think teachers are babysitters? Be specific.
I am dodging any question, I responded very clearly : “ Drinking alcohol while chaperoning kids is not a grey area, because it affects how you perform while supervising them. ”
I am not sure what else is to say. But of course, please feel free to defend a staff that’s was drinking while on duty. You seem to get very creative with the arguments.
Okay, let’s say you’re right. Can you not give any specific examples about how drinking alcohol impacted performance? What actually happened?! Did your kid need a band aid and someone was drunk off one beer and nowhere to be found?
You seem to value more the freedom of a teacher to drink alcoholic drinks in front of the students than the freedom of parents to pick a school where teachers do not drink while on duty. guess what. Who pays the school tuition? Think about it for 2 minutes, and then you can respond.
You have the right to your opinion, that’s fine.
Can you really not say what happened as the result of drinking in front of students that was worth the loss of employment? If the drinking led to negligent behavior and bad things happened, let’s hear it
Or can you not give an example because nothing actually happened? If you think someone should have been fired on this principle alone, just say it. You have the right to your opinion.
Let me tell you something. Next time the police stops you for DUI, use the same arguments and tell the officer that nothing happened while you had just one glass of wine. Let me know how it goes.
Wow. You really can’t give a single example can you? Not one, single, example?
Well if they drink they be and drive if there is an emergency. They just gave an example.
Was there an emergency? Were they over the legal limit to drive?
There was an emergency, but it’s confidential because it would reveal something about a student.
I don’t think there is a way to know if you are over the legal limit, do most drinkers carry a breathalyzer?
Did the teachers self report about the drinking during the incident report for the emergency?
Okay. Were they unable to properly handle the situation due to having had a drink?
Maybe, I think there was a police report filed. That’s probably how administration learned of it.
Maybe, meaning you don’t actually know?
I heard about the police report and that there was an incident. If my kid was there I would want stone cold chaperones dealing with first responders and any fall out. What if there was a crime at proper and they needed to drive home early? Just hangout at Starbucks until teacher sobers up?
Sure, this would be a reasonable take if a teacher was totally drunk and unable to do their job. Most people are not drunk from 1-2 drinks.
A teacher should not be driving students after 2 drinks.
Anonymous wrote:Can someone clarify exactly what happened. Drinking alcohol in front of students is not acceptable. Drinking alcohol privately no one cares.
You think, in theory, one drink in front of kids isn’t acceptable- after hours on a field trip? In other words, modeling responsible drinking is a bad thing?
DP
Depends on the work contract. I am not allowed to drink alcohol inside the work cafeteria.
I would expect teachers to not drink alcohol while taking care of my kids. Even if it’s just having dinner.
Then I’m sure you would agree you shouldn’t have a drink with dinner after hours at a work conference. The conference is an extension of the office, after all.
How many minors attend work conferences? So yes, alcohol in dinner at work conference it’s ok.
You said alcohol in your work place isn’t appropriate, but a conference is an extension of work.
Now you’re changing your story to drinking in the presence of minors. That’s fine.
I’m assuming you never have a drink with dinner around your kids, right? And you don’t dine at restaurants that serve alcohol, right?
You can try your arguments in one place: Anonymous Alcoholics. Good luck convincing them.
Following your argument. Drinking alcohol at your home it’s ok, but not so much while you are on duty. For example, I haven’t met doctors drinking while making a diagnostic.
If you don’t like the rule, you can try another school. You might be surprised to learn their views.
If you drink while on duty parenting, which is 24/7, maybe you should take your own advice and head to AA.
But in all seriousness, kids binge drink because of parents like you. You throw a fit over kids being exposed to responsible drinking around role models, then you wonder why they abuse it behind your back. Europeans would laugh at your provincial attitude.
I am sorry but you are a bit confused. At home is up the parents to decide if they drink or don’t drink. At school is not up to teacher to decide if it’s fine to drink or not in front of the students. If you like to drink in front of the students then go to Europe and you will be happier.
Why is this such a problem for you? Are you seriously offended if your kid is exposed to alcohol? Do you truly think your kid was in danger? Seriously, explain yourself.
But you agree with me that is not up to teacher to decide whether to drink or not in front of a kid, right? Or the opinion of the parents is irrelevant and the only thing that matters is what the teacher wants to do? Please tell me.
Drinking in front of students is a grey area. I think it’s ridiculous to compare drinking in the classroom to a drink at the bar after a field trip at the end of the day. If a teacher was having a beer at lunch before the day ended, I would agree with you. Way too many drinks at the bar after a field trip to where someone is truly unable to help in an emergency would also be different. But no, I have no issue with the theoretical case in question. This isn’t a one size fits all situation and you apparently lack critical thinking skills.
But I’ll ask again, did you have a kid there? Was the kid offended, in danger? Please tell us exactly why this was so awful.
Well, luckily you are not in charge of the school. Drinking alcohol while chaperoning kids is not a grey area, because it affects how you perform while supervising them. If you cannot go without alcohol, then do not chaperone. Problem solved.
That’s your opinion. Plenty of responsible adults can have a drink or two with dinner and not miss a beat.
However, why are you dodging my question? Are you simply offended by your kid being exposed to responsible drinking? Did something happen as a result of a drink or two that made you fear for your child’s safety? Do you think teachers are babysitters? Be specific.
I am dodging any question, I responded very clearly : “ Drinking alcohol while chaperoning kids is not a grey area, because it affects how you perform while supervising them. ”
I am not sure what else is to say. But of course, please feel free to defend a staff that’s was drinking while on duty. You seem to get very creative with the arguments.
Okay, let’s say you’re right. Can you not give any specific examples about how drinking alcohol impacted performance? What actually happened?! Did your kid need a band aid and someone was drunk off one beer and nowhere to be found?
You seem to value more the freedom of a teacher to drink alcoholic drinks in front of the students than the freedom of parents to pick a school where teachers do not drink while on duty. guess what. Who pays the school tuition? Think about it for 2 minutes, and then you can respond.
You have the right to your opinion, that’s fine.
Can you really not say what happened as the result of drinking in front of students that was worth the loss of employment? If the drinking led to negligent behavior and bad things happened, let’s hear it
Or can you not give an example because nothing actually happened? If you think someone should have been fired on this principle alone, just say it. You have the right to your opinion.
Let me tell you something. Next time the police stops you for DUI, use the same arguments and tell the officer that nothing happened while you had just one glass of wine. Let me know how it goes.
Wow. You really can’t give a single example can you? Not one, single, example?
Well if they drink they be and drive if there is an emergency. They just gave an example.
Was there an emergency? Were they over the legal limit to drive?
There was an emergency, but it’s confidential because it would reveal something about a student.
I don’t think there is a way to know if you are over the legal limit, do most drinkers carry a breathalyzer?
Did the teachers self report about the drinking during the incident report for the emergency?
Okay. Were they unable to properly handle the situation due to having had a drink?
Maybe, I think there was a police report filed. That’s probably how administration learned of it.
Maybe, meaning you don’t actually know?
I heard about the police report and that there was an incident. If my kid was there I would want stone cold chaperones dealing with first responders and any fall out. What if there was a crime at proper and they needed to drive home early? Just hangout at Starbucks until teacher sobers up?
Sure, this would be a reasonable take if a teacher was totally drunk and unable to do their job. Most people are not drunk from 1-2 drinks.
A teacher should not be driving students after 2 drinks.
I can’t figure out if this is a joke/sarcasm or if this is true. Why would teachers be breathalyzed?!
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Anonymous wrote:Can someone clarify exactly what happened. Drinking alcohol in front of students is not acceptable. Drinking alcohol privately no one cares.
You think, in theory, one drink in front of kids isn’t acceptable- after hours on a field trip? In other words, modeling responsible drinking is a bad thing?
DP
Depends on the work contract. I am not allowed to drink alcohol inside the work cafeteria.
I would expect teachers to not drink alcohol while taking care of my kids. Even if it’s just having dinner.
Then I’m sure you would agree you shouldn’t have a drink with dinner after hours at a work conference. The conference is an extension of the office, after all.
How many minors attend work conferences? So yes, alcohol in dinner at work conference it’s ok.
You said alcohol in your work place isn’t appropriate, but a conference is an extension of work.
Now you’re changing your story to drinking in the presence of minors. That’s fine.
I’m assuming you never have a drink with dinner around your kids, right? And you don’t dine at restaurants that serve alcohol, right?
You can try your arguments in one place: Anonymous Alcoholics. Good luck convincing them.
Following your argument. Drinking alcohol at your home it’s ok, but not so much while you are on duty. For example, I haven’t met doctors drinking while making a diagnostic.
If you don’t like the rule, you can try another school. You might be surprised to learn their views.
If you drink while on duty parenting, which is 24/7, maybe you should take your own advice and head to AA.
But in all seriousness, kids binge drink because of parents like you. You throw a fit over kids being exposed to responsible drinking around role models, then you wonder why they abuse it behind your back. Europeans would laugh at your provincial attitude.
I am sorry but you are a bit confused. At home is up the parents to decide if they drink or don’t drink. At school is not up to teacher to decide if it’s fine to drink or not in front of the students. If you like to drink in front of the students then go to Europe and you will be happier.
Why is this such a problem for you? Are you seriously offended if your kid is exposed to alcohol? Do you truly think your kid was in danger? Seriously, explain yourself.
But you agree with me that is not up to teacher to decide whether to drink or not in front of a kid, right? Or the opinion of the parents is irrelevant and the only thing that matters is what the teacher wants to do? Please tell me.
Drinking in front of students is a grey area. I think it’s ridiculous to compare drinking in the classroom to a drink at the bar after a field trip at the end of the day. If a teacher was having a beer at lunch before the day ended, I would agree with you. Way too many drinks at the bar after a field trip to where someone is truly unable to help in an emergency would also be different. But no, I have no issue with the theoretical case in question. This isn’t a one size fits all situation and you apparently lack critical thinking skills.
But I’ll ask again, did you have a kid there? Was the kid offended, in danger? Please tell us exactly why this was so awful.
Well, luckily you are not in charge of the school. Drinking alcohol while chaperoning kids is not a grey area, because it affects how you perform while supervising them. If you cannot go without alcohol, then do not chaperone. Problem solved.
That’s your opinion. Plenty of responsible adults can have a drink or two with dinner and not miss a beat.
However, why are you dodging my question? Are you simply offended by your kid being exposed to responsible drinking? Did something happen as a result of a drink or two that made you fear for your child’s safety? Do you think teachers are babysitters? Be specific.
I am dodging any question, I responded very clearly : “ Drinking alcohol while chaperoning kids is not a grey area, because it affects how you perform while supervising them. ”
I am not sure what else is to say. But of course, please feel free to defend a staff that’s was drinking while on duty. You seem to get very creative with the arguments.
Okay, let’s say you’re right. Can you not give any specific examples about how drinking alcohol impacted performance? What actually happened?! Did your kid need a band aid and someone was drunk off one beer and nowhere to be found?
You seem to value more the freedom of a teacher to drink alcoholic drinks in front of the students than the freedom of parents to pick a school where teachers do not drink while on duty. guess what. Who pays the school tuition? Think about it for 2 minutes, and then you can respond.
You have the right to your opinion, that’s fine.
Can you really not say what happened as the result of drinking in front of students that was worth the loss of employment? If the drinking led to negligent behavior and bad things happened, let’s hear it
Or can you not give an example because nothing actually happened? If you think someone should have been fired on this principle alone, just say it. You have the right to your opinion.
Let me tell you something. Next time the police stops you for DUI, use the same arguments and tell the officer that nothing happened while you had just one glass of wine. Let me know how it goes.
Wow. You really can’t give a single example can you? Not one, single, example?
Well if they drink they be and drive if there is an emergency. They just gave an example.
Was there an emergency? Were they over the legal limit to drive?
There was an emergency, but it’s confidential because it would reveal something about a student.
I don’t think there is a way to know if you are over the legal limit, do most drinkers carry a breathalyzer?
Did the teachers self report about the drinking during the incident report for the emergency?
Okay. Were they unable to properly handle the situation due to having had a drink?
Maybe, I think there was a police report filed. That’s probably how administration learned of it.
Maybe, meaning you don’t actually know?
I heard about the police report and that there was an incident. If my kid was there I would want stone cold chaperones dealing with first responders and any fall out. What if there was a crime at proper and they needed to drive home early? Just hangout at Starbucks until teacher sobers up?
Sure, this would be a reasonable take if a teacher was totally drunk and unable to do their job. Most people are not drunk from 1-2 drinks.
A teacher should not be driving students after 2 drinks.
Anonymous wrote:Perhaps we can bring this thread back to its original point: staff/faculty turnover. We are relative newcomers to Holton and our DD very much appreciates her teachers. Brooke, the new principal, seems to be doing her best to learn the ropes and adapt to the school’s culture. We hope she stays on board.
As for Penny…
We have only had a few interactions. She exudes a nervous (frenetic?) energy that might be off-putting to some, but in no way did we find her offensive. Perhaps once she has accumulated a few years under her belt and selected key members of her leadership team, things will stabilize.
I have worked with folks like her in the corporate world. The Board should seriously consider having Penny work alongside an executive coach to help her navigate professional interactions among faculty and parents. A good coach can help clients refine social graces and assist them when balancing immediate versus big-picture needs.
I know some on here will say Penny is a lost cause, but that strikes me as unfair. From decades of experience I can confidently say that a change this early in her tenure will further destabilize. As a parent, I am willing to give the Board the benefit of the doubt FOR NOW. But I want to know that something is being done to right the ship, bring a collective calm, and chart a path ahead.
While you wait for Penny to figure out how to run a decent leader, you will lose or harm the people who actually shape the program and make it worth the cost.
It is laughable to think that Penny, who has been the Head of one or another school for a dozen years now, is going to submit herself to some kind of coaching. Like her or loathe her, what you see is what you get and she is the last person who will take direction from someone she perceives to be not on her level
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