Did your DC apply to a LAC with ED (or ED1)?

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Anonymous wrote:Bryn Mawr
3.3
Test optional
Recruited

Your DC passed a pre-read with those stats?

Do they need to pass a pre-read? They just want to play sports.

DUH. Obviously passed a pre-read - was waiting to see how long it took for an a-hole to comment.
Why do you think you're the arbiter of college admissions?

3.3 is UW - 3.8 W
5s on 7 APs
Violin/classical guitar
Was being recruited by multiple D1s but wants to focus on academics and attend a women's college

Please share your child's stats so we can take a swipe.

A 3.3? That would be a tough bar.

It's not as hard to get into women's colleges as it used to be, below the top tier anyway. I agree a 3.3 is quite low. However, BMC doesn't even provide GPA data anymore, so could well be that a 3.3 is in range. Even if the bottom quarter.

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Anonymous wrote:DC will ED2 to Bowdoin if doesn’t get into Dartmouth.

4.0uw, highest rigor at public that sends 10 percent of class to Ivies.
1550, 35 single sitting
All 5s on 6 APs
Good but not extraordinary ECs
Wants to double major in Biochem, Sociology

No. Please go down a rung for ED2.

Why? According to school’s Scoir data, everyone with a similar academic profile has gotten into Bowdoin in the last six years.

This is general college admissions advice. Go down a rung for ED2. Bowdoin is not an easier admit for Dartmouth.

If you have school data, great. Who were those kids? Any first-gen, hooked, recruited athletes? Ask the guidance counselor.

To add, were they ED1 apps? Do you know? ED2 is a tougher admit, almost universally, than ED1. I am not suggesting down a rung like so,e directional state uni: Middlebury )which gives a big ED boost because 70% of class is filled ED) or something…

3 kids have applied ED in the last 6 years. One was an athlete. The other accepted had a 1500 and 3.8. The third was rejected with a 3.7 and test optional.

The rest of the applicants were RD. Overall, the average admitted student from our school has a 3.82/4.36 and a 1515. DC has a 4/4.53 and a 1550.

Your call obviously. Was the one non-athlete accepted ED1 or ED2? It might well be a 50/50, whereas a Midd would be 70/30. Just be aware and don’t assume admission with those numbers, is all I’m saying.

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Anonymous wrote:williams
1600 SAT
humanities male.
v good but in-school EC
v good but not perfect transcript (9th grade mostly)

Williams must be the dream school.

Otherwise it's not the best strategy. Williams is test optional and puts a lot more weight on GPA than test score.

Test-optional does not really apply to white or Asian students from affluent zip codes, however. They’ll assume poor test scores if you don’t submit. TO gives them flexibility with athletes and FGLI applicants, allowing them to build the class they want.

Point taken yes for unhooked a good test score must be provided.

Strategically, the inconsistency between gpa and test score doesn't work best for OP at Williams. Of course if Williams is the dream school then go ahead. Scoring at 1500 vs 1600 does not move the needle at Williams.

Here is the thing. That 1600 score may work better at other schools that are test required and value a high score.

Dartmouth comes to mind.

Why would 1500-1600 not move the needle at all in Dartmouth? If the GPA is such where the trajectory is up (PP said lower in grade 9 only) the high SAT score should be validating of his upward GPA trajectory.

Everyone on here is so negative.

* Williams (not Dartmouth). PP here, that was typed by mistake!

Can you read? Williams: 45% of freshmen males are athletes. Connect….dots.

Yes I can read. And I can also do math. 45% is not equal to 100%. I know parents are stressed this time of year with our seniors, but please let's not be rude to each other.

Since you can do math, what percentage of male ED admits is that? And then first gen programs, add those in, and legacy/big donor EDs, and faculty brats. What percentage of slots do you think are left ED? Actually do the math this time.

I did the math, and while ED rates for LACs that heavily recruit athletes are inflated by athletes (and FGLI/Questbridge to a lesser extent), it's still a few per cent higher than RD. If PP's son has no other clear favorite, he has not given up anything by applying to Williams ED rather than RD. If anything, he's putting the odds a few extra per cent in his favor. Unless he had an equally desirable non-LAC he could have EDed to.

Agree. Indicating the school is your clear first choice offers a boost, even if a relatively small one. I've posted elsewhere that my DC applied ED to a WASP. They got in, and the 13 kids who applied RD did not. The stats were there but otherwise unhooked, so who knows if they would have been among the 1-2 typically admitted if in the larger RD pool.

Is the desired outcome to get into only one school? Or is the desired outcome to get into a great school? If the desired outcome is to get into only one school, the chances of getting into a great school are lowered exponentially. If kid is OK with this outcome, i.e. the 98% rejection chance, suffering the vagaries of the ED round, and cool with the likelihood of attending a low target or safety, then so be it. But what you will often find is that the kid is definitely not OK with that but, like many posters on this thread, have not thought about it/think the risks are far different than they actually are.

during ED round, yes.

Just be honest with your kid. Dear Johnnie, you have a 3% chance of going to your one, dream school. And a 90% chance, because of the choices you are making, of ending up at a low target or a safety.

Or, you can have a 20% chance of going to this great school, and a 2% chance of going to your dream school still, if you don’t get into the great school, and a 70% chance of ending up at a low target or a safety.

What is your choice?

any kid with a 1600 coming out of a private school is not Williams or ... else Denison. Sorry, that's not happening. At our school, they waltz right into Georgetown or Middlebury and live happy lives. And didn't learn to be cautious in their dream.

You sound like a New Yorker. Not a compliment.

not a NYer. sorry!

No apologies are necessary. But some advice: better to sound like a New Yorker in New York.

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Anonymous wrote:Bryn Mawr
3.3
Test optional
Recruited

Your DC passed a pre-read with those stats?

Do they need to pass a pre-read? They just want to play sports.

DUH. Obviously passed a pre-read - was waiting to see how long it took for an a-hole to comment.
Why do you think you're the arbiter of college admissions?

3.3 is UW - 3.8 W
5s on 7 APs
Violin/classical guitar
Was being recruited by multiple D1s but wants to focus on academics and attend a women's college

Please share your child's stats so we can take a swipe.

A 3.3? That would be a tough bar.

It's not as hard to get into women's colleges as it used to be, below the top tier anyway. I agree a 3.3 is quite low. However, BMC doesn't even provide GPA data anymore, so could well be that a 3.3 is in range. Even if the bottom quarter.

I thought schools had to provide GPA data on CDS, but I checked and you are correct. Bryn Mawr left the GPA section blank. That obviously suggests it skews low, so a 3.3 probably is in range. Surprising to me but there you have it.

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I wish we could post screenshots of our naviance here without it being reverse engineered back to our HS.

But GPAs and rigor vary WIDELY.

I just pulled up our middlebury stats - kids with 3.58 and a 3.63 in RD. Boston college about 10 kids accepted in the 3.6 range in last 4 years. Rice - 3.65. Brown - 3.82 and 3.80. Princeton - 3.83 and 3.87

these are RD - not recruited athletes, not alumni

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Anonymous wrote:williams
1600 SAT
humanities male.
v good but in-school EC
v good but not perfect transcript (9th grade mostly)

Williams must be the dream school.

Otherwise it's not the best strategy. Williams is test optional and puts a lot more weight on GPA than test score.

Test-optional does not really apply to white or Asian students from affluent zip codes, however. They’ll assume poor test scores if you don’t submit. TO gives them flexibility with athletes and FGLI applicants, allowing them to build the class they want.

Point taken yes for unhooked a good test score must be provided.

Strategically, the inconsistency between gpa and test score doesn't work best for OP at Williams. Of course if Williams is the dream school then go ahead. Scoring at 1500 vs 1600 does not move the needle at Williams.

Here is the thing. That 1600 score may work better at other schools that are test required and value a high score.

Dartmouth comes to mind.

Why would 1500-1600 not move the needle at all in Dartmouth? If the GPA is such where the trajectory is up (PP said lower in grade 9 only) the high SAT score should be validating of his upward GPA trajectory.

Everyone on here is so negative.

* Williams (not Dartmouth). PP here, that was typed by mistake!

Can you read? Williams: 45% of freshmen males are athletes. Connect….dots.

Yes I can read. And I can also do math. 45% is not equal to 100%. I know parents are stressed this time of year with our seniors, but please let's not be rude to each other.

Since you can do math, what percentage of male ED admits is that? And then first gen programs, add those in, and legacy/big donor EDs, and faculty brats. What percentage of slots do you think are left ED? Actually do the math this time.

I did the math, and while ED rates for LACs that heavily recruit athletes are inflated by athletes (and FGLI/Questbridge to a lesser extent), it's still a few per cent higher than RD. If PP's son has no other clear favorite, he has not given up anything by applying to Williams ED rather than RD. If anything, he's putting the odds a few extra per cent in his favor. Unless he had an equally desirable non-LAC he could have EDed to.

Agree. Indicating the school is your clear first choice offers a boost, even if a relatively small one. I've posted elsewhere that my DC applied ED to a WASP. They got in, and the 13 kids who applied RD did not. The stats were there but otherwise unhooked, so who knows if they would have been among the 1-2 typically admitted if in the larger RD pool.

Is the desired outcome to get into only one school? Or is the desired outcome to get into a great school? If the desired outcome is to get into only one school, the chances of getting into a great school are lowered exponentially. If kid is OK with this outcome, i.e. the 98% rejection chance, suffering the vagaries of the ED round, and cool with the likelihood of attending a low target or safety, then so be it. But what you will often find is that the kid is definitely not OK with that but, like many posters on this thread, have not thought about it/think the risks are far different than they actually are.

during ED round, yes.

Just be honest with your kid. Dear Johnnie, you have a 3% chance of going to your one, dream school. And a 90% chance, because of the choices you are making, of ending up at a low target or a safety.

Or, you can have a 20% chance of going to this great school, and a 2% chance of going to your dream school still, if you don’t get into the great school, and a 70% chance of ending up at a low target or a safety.

What is your choice?

any kid with a 1600 coming out of a private school is not Williams or ... else Denison. Sorry, that's not happening. At our school, they waltz right into Georgetown or Middlebury and live happy lives. And didn't learn to be cautious in their dream.

You sound like a New Yorker. Not a compliment.

not a NYer. sorry!

No apologies are necessary. But some advice: better to sound like a New Yorker in New York.

better never to sound like a mean mom.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Dartmouth
4.2 weighted
1380
Need Aid
Economics
Standard Strong ECS

Realize its a long shot, but you only olive once

Yes, you only have one ED1 card. Use it wisely, folks. And remember this lesson for ED2 in another 6 weeks: do not apply ED2 to a school with the same selectivity as the school that just rejected you ED1. Unless you are cool attending neither…

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Anonymous wrote:Bryn Mawr
3.3
Test optional
Recruited

Your DC passed a pre-read with those stats?

Do they need to pass a pre-read? They just want to play sports.

DUH. Obviously passed a pre-read - was waiting to see how long it took for an a-hole to comment.
Why do you think you're the arbiter of college admissions?

3.3 is UW - 3.8 W
5s on 7 APs
Violin/classical guitar
Was being recruited by multiple D1s but wants to focus on academics and attend a women's college

Please share your child's stats so we can take a swipe.

4.0/4.97W 36 ACT IB diploma plus 5s on 5 APs. Competitive fencer and violinist with a tuition scholarship. WASP ED applicant. Swipe away!

yeah right.

Sounds like an RMIB kid. Those stats, while very high, are not uncommon there.

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Anonymous wrote:williams
1600 SAT
humanities male.
v good but in-school EC
v good but not perfect transcript (9th grade mostly)

Williams must be the dream school.

Otherwise it's not the best strategy. Williams is test optional and puts a lot more weight on GPA than test score.

Test-optional does not really apply to white or Asian students from affluent zip codes, however. They’ll assume poor test scores if you don’t submit. TO gives them flexibility with athletes and FGLI applicants, allowing them to build the class they want.

Point taken yes for unhooked a good test score must be provided.

Strategically, the inconsistency between gpa and test score doesn't work best for OP at Williams. Of course if Williams is the dream school then go ahead. Scoring at 1500 vs 1600 does not move the needle at Williams.

Here is the thing. That 1600 score may work better at other schools that are test required and value a high score.

Dartmouth comes to mind.

Why would 1500-1600 not move the needle at all in Dartmouth? If the GPA is such where the trajectory is up (PP said lower in grade 9 only) the high SAT score should be validating of his upward GPA trajectory.

Everyone on here is so negative.

* Williams (not Dartmouth). PP here, that was typed by mistake!

Can you read? Williams: 45% of freshmen males are athletes. Connect….dots.

Yes I can read. And I can also do math. 45% is not equal to 100%. I know parents are stressed this time of year with our seniors, but please let's not be rude to each other.

Since you can do math, what percentage of male ED admits is that? And then first gen programs, add those in, and legacy/big donor EDs, and faculty brats. What percentage of slots do you think are left ED? Actually do the math this time.

I did the math, and while ED rates for LACs that heavily recruit athletes are inflated by athletes (and FGLI/Questbridge to a lesser extent), it's still a few per cent higher than RD. If PP's son has no other clear favorite, he has not given up anything by applying to Williams ED rather than RD. If anything, he's putting the odds a few extra per cent in his favor. Unless he had an equally desirable non-LAC he could have EDed to.

Agree. Indicating the school is your clear first choice offers a boost, even if a relatively small one. I've posted elsewhere that my DC applied ED to a WASP. They got in, and the 13 kids who applied RD did not. The stats were there but otherwise unhooked, so who knows if they would have been among the 1-2 typically admitted if in the larger RD pool.

Is the desired outcome to get into only one school? Or is the desired outcome to get into a great school? If the desired outcome is to get into only one school, the chances of getting into a great school are lowered exponentially. If kid is OK with this outcome, i.e. the 98% rejection chance, suffering the vagaries of the ED round, and cool with the likelihood of attending a low target or safety, then so be it. But what you will often find is that the kid is definitely not OK with that but, like many posters on this thread, have not thought about it/think the risks are far different than they actually are.

during ED round, yes.

Just be honest with your kid. Dear Johnnie, you have a 3% chance of going to your one, dream school. And a 90% chance, because of the choices you are making, of ending up at a low target or a safety.

Or, you can have a 20% chance of going to this great school, and a 2% chance of going to your dream school still, if you don’t get into the great school, and a 70% chance of ending up at a low target or a safety.

What is your choice?

any kid with a 1600 coming out of a private school is not Williams or ... else Denison. Sorry, that's not happening. At our school, they waltz right into Georgetown or Middlebury and live happy lives. And didn't learn to be cautious in their dream.

You sound like a New Yorker. Not a compliment.

not a NYer. sorry!

No apologies are necessary. But some advice: better to sound like a New Yorker in New York.

better never to sound like a mean mom.

I hope your kids have fun at Georgetown. Super easy admit, especially for “dreamers.”

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Smith
3.5 GPA (private school, doesn’t do weighted)
Test Optional
Full pay
Major: English & Literature
Strong ECs in theater and music, submitting arts supplemental

Will be a reach! May ED2 elsewhere if not admitted.

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Anonymous wrote:Bryn Mawr
3.3
Test optional
Recruited

Your DC passed a pre-read with those stats?

Do they need to pass a pre-read? They just want to play sports.

DUH. Obviously passed a pre-read - was waiting to see how long it took for an a-hole to comment.
Why do you think you're the arbiter of college admissions?

3.3 is UW - 3.8 W
5s on 7 APs
Violin/classical guitar
Was being recruited by multiple D1s but wants to focus on academics and attend a women's college

Please share your child's stats so we can take a swipe.

I’m rooting for your student, who sounds very well-rounded! No reason she couldn’t handle BMC and succeed there. Scoring 5s on 7 AP exams is impressive!

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Anonymous wrote:Bryn Mawr
3.3
Test optional
Recruited

Your DC passed a pre-read with those stats?

Do they need to pass a pre-read? They just want to play sports.

DUH. Obviously passed a pre-read - was waiting to see how long it took for an a-hole to comment.
Why do you think you're the arbiter of college admissions?

3.3 is UW - 3.8 W
5s on 7 APs
Violin/classical guitar
Was being recruited by multiple D1s but wants to focus on academics and attend a women's college

Please share your child's stats so we can take a swipe.

A 3.3? That would be a tough bar.

It's not as hard to get into women's colleges as it used to be, below the top tier anyway. I agree a 3.3 is quite low. However, BMC doesn't even provide GPA data anymore, so could well be that a 3.3 is in range. Even if the bottom quarter.

BMC has a 58% ED acceptance rate so it’s definitely an advantage to apply ED.

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Anonymous wrote:Smith
3.5 GPA (private school, doesn’t do weighted)
Test Optional
Full pay
Major: English & Literature
Strong ECs in theater and music, submitting arts supplemental

Will be a reach! May ED2 elsewhere if not admitted.

Humanities major and arts supplement should help, good luck!.

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Anonymous wrote:Bryn Mawr
3.3
Test optional
Recruited

Your DC passed a pre-read with those stats?

Do they need to pass a pre-read? They just want to play sports.

DUH. Obviously passed a pre-read - was waiting to see how long it took for an a-hole to comment.
Why do you think you're the arbiter of college admissions?

3.3 is UW - 3.8 W
5s on 7 APs
Violin/classical guitar
Was being recruited by multiple D1s but wants to focus on academics and attend a women's college

Please share your child's stats so we can take a swipe.

A 3.3? That would be a tough bar.

It's not as hard to get into women's colleges as it used to be, below the top tier anyway. I agree a 3.3 is quite low. However, BMC doesn't even provide GPA data anymore, so could well be that a 3.3 is in range. Even if the bottom quarter.

BMC has a 58% ED acceptance rate so it’s definitely an advantage to apply ED.

Wow, that’s amazing. Makes sense though since LACs, and especially women’s colleges, get killed on yield.

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Anonymous wrote:DC will ED2 to Bowdoin if doesn’t get into Dartmouth.

4.0uw, highest rigor at public that sends 10 percent of class to Ivies.
1550, 35 single sitting
All 5s on 6 APs
Good but not extraordinary ECs
Wants to double major in Biochem, Sociology

No. Please go down a rung for ED2.

Why? According to school’s Scoir data, everyone with a similar academic profile has gotten into Bowdoin in the last six years.

This is general college admissions advice. Go down a rung for ED2. Bowdoin is not an easier admit for Dartmouth.

If you have school data, great. Who were those kids? Any first-gen, hooked, recruited athletes? Ask the guidance counselor.

To add, were they ED1 apps? Do you know? ED2 is a tougher admit, almost universally, than ED1. I am not suggesting down a rung like so,e directional state uni: Middlebury )which gives a big ED boost because 70% of class is filled ED) or something…

3 kids have applied ED in the last 6 years. One was an athlete. The other accepted had a 1500 and 3.8. The third was rejected with a 3.7 and test optional.

The rest of the applicants were RD. Overall, the average admitted student from our school has a 3.82/4.36 and a 1515. DC has a 4/4.53 and a 1550.

Your call obviously. Was the one non-athlete accepted ED1 or ED2? It might well be a 50/50, whereas a Midd would be 70/30. Just be aware and don’t assume admission with those numbers, is all I’m saying.

The non-athlete was ED2. Thanks for all the unsolicited advice about a kid and HS you know next to nothing about! DC has a lot of schools they would be happy to attend, so let the chips fall where they may.