Do MAGAs want a Christian Nation or a Free Nation?

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Anonymous wrote:Try pushing LGBTQ in an Islamic country and see how that works out for you. Write back.

Nobody is “pushing lgbtq” on anyone.

Try “not pushing” lgbtq on anyone in an Islamic country. What freedoms you take for granted are entirely dependent upon a Christian heritage.

Which brings me back to my original question. What country that was never Christian do you consider free?

Cato rates Japan as freer than the United States, or is Cato too woke and leftist for your kind ever since they published a report finding that politically-motivated violence is primarily a right-wing issue?

In any event, you can stop with the non sequiturs now that someone has held your hand and spoonfed you the information you were looking for.

Japan has also been occupied by the USA, a Christian nation, who wrote their constitution for them. At least you tried.

Japan's Constitution was indeed written by the US but it has absolutely no Christian doctrine in it whatsoever, and in fact has nothing at all to do with Christianity. Furthermore, it strongly promotes separation of church and state, which was an intentional choice made to prevent Japan from returning to the State Shinto that drove its militarism.

"At least you tried" - and failed - to imply Christianity had some value there.

I think you’re making my point for me here. Japan never developed freedom or even chose it. It was imposed during a military occupation, which is pretty lulzy. It’s akin to the situation in Hong Kong, where it was free only so long as the British occupied it. That freedom didn’t survive a generation on its own.

Neither Japan nor Hong Kong ever become free without occupation by a Christian nation, a topic which probably deserves its own thread.

My thesis remains, without Christ you will not find freedom.

LOL, so when the crusaders ransacked the middle east, was that freedom? When the Christians ransacked the native Americans, the central Americans and south Americans, was that Freedom? I think you don't understand the full history of Christianity in the world. You know, those Christians who worked with African tribes to steal humans and sell them for money in the new world?

I have plenty of freedom and have no need for Christ in any capacity and certainly not the way the Evangelicals are using him.,

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Anonymous wrote:Try pushing LGBTQ in an Islamic country and see how that works out for you. Write back.

Nobody is “pushing lgbtq” on anyone.

Try “not pushing” lgbtq on anyone in an Islamic country. What freedoms you take for granted are entirely dependent upon a Christian heritage.

Which brings me back to my original question. What country that was never Christian do you consider free?

Cato rates Japan as freer than the United States, or is Cato too woke and leftist for your kind ever since they published a report finding that politically-motivated violence is primarily a right-wing issue?

In any event, you can stop with the non sequiturs now that someone has held your hand and spoonfed you the information you were looking for.

Japan has also been occupied by the USA, a Christian nation, who wrote their constitution for them. At least you tried.

Japan's Constitution was indeed written by the US but it has absolutely no Christian doctrine in it whatsoever, and in fact has nothing at all to do with Christianity. Furthermore, it strongly promotes separation of church and state, which was an intentional choice made to prevent Japan from returning to the State Shinto that drove its militarism.

"At least you tried" - and failed - to imply Christianity had some value there.

I think you’re making my point for me here. Japan never developed freedom or even chose it. It was imposed during a military occupation, which is pretty lulzy. It’s akin to the situation in Hong Kong, where it was free only so long as the British occupied it. That freedom didn’t survive a generation on its own.

Neither Japan nor Hong Kong ever become free without occupation by a Christian nation, a topic which probably deserves its own thread.

My thesis remains, without Christ you will not find freedom.

Stop spouting your ignorant views. Get a fkn education.

Hong Kong wasn't free you moron. It was occupied by the British and Hong Kong Chinese were second class citizens. Do you know how many Hong Kong Chinese cheered on that rainy day when they left? And the fact that the Brits didn't enforce the agreement with China re the 50 year agreement shows that they didn’t give a sh!t about democracy.

And Europe did some amazing nation building in Africa, right?

Korea had several coup d'état while the US military was stationed all over the peninsula.

How about India and Pakistan? Indochina? The Levant?

Japan was left a constitutional monarchy and the yakuza were allowed to coexist.

And on and on.

Christian countries basically ruined the entire world permanently because they decided to codify borders along political lines and not ethnic ones.

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Anonymous wrote:Try pushing LGBTQ in an Islamic country and see how that works out for you. Write back.

Nobody is “pushing lgbtq” on anyone.

Try “not pushing” lgbtq on anyone in an Islamic country. What freedoms you take for granted are entirely dependent upon a Christian heritage.

Which brings me back to my original question. What country that was never Christian do you consider free?

Cato rates Japan as freer than the United States, or is Cato too woke and leftist for your kind ever since they published a report finding that politically-motivated violence is primarily a right-wing issue?

In any event, you can stop with the non sequiturs now that someone has held your hand and spoonfed you the information you were looking for.

Japan has also been occupied by the USA, a Christian nation, who wrote their constitution for them. At least you tried.

Japan's Constitution was indeed written by the US but it has absolutely no Christian doctrine in it whatsoever, and in fact has nothing at all to do with Christianity. Furthermore, it strongly promotes separation of church and state, which was an intentional choice made to prevent Japan from returning to the State Shinto that drove its militarism.

"At least you tried" - and failed - to imply Christianity had some value there.

I think you’re making my point for me here. Japan never developed freedom or even chose it. It was imposed during a military occupation, which is pretty lulzy. It’s akin to the situation in Hong Kong, where it was free only so long as the British occupied it. That freedom didn’t survive a generation on its own.

Neither Japan nor Hong Kong ever become free without occupation by a Christian nation, a topic which probably deserves its own thread.

My thesis remains, without Christ you will not find freedom.

Ancient Greeks developed concepts of democracy, individual liberty, freedom of speech, trial by jury, civil discourse, and equality just fine without Jesus’ help.

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Anonymous wrote:Try pushing LGBTQ in an Islamic country and see how that works out for you. Write back.

Nobody is “pushing lgbtq” on anyone.

Try “not pushing” lgbtq on anyone in an Islamic country. What freedoms you take for granted are entirely dependent upon a Christian heritage.

Which brings me back to my original question. What country that was never Christian do you consider free?

Cato rates Japan as freer than the United States, or is Cato too woke and leftist for your kind ever since they published a report finding that politically-motivated violence is primarily a right-wing issue?

In any event, you can stop with the non sequiturs now that someone has held your hand and spoonfed you the information you were looking for.

Japan has also been occupied by the USA, a Christian nation, who wrote their constitution for them. At least you tried.

Japan's Constitution was indeed written by the US but it has absolutely no Christian doctrine in it whatsoever, and in fact has nothing at all to do with Christianity. Furthermore, it strongly promotes separation of church and state, which was an intentional choice made to prevent Japan from returning to the State Shinto that drove its militarism.

"At least you tried" - and failed - to imply Christianity had some value there.

I think you’re making my point for me here. Japan never developed freedom or even chose it. It was imposed during a military occupation, which is pretty lulzy. It’s akin to the situation in Hong Kong, where it was free only so long as the British occupied it. That freedom didn’t survive a generation on its own.

Neither Japan nor Hong Kong ever become free without occupation by a Christian nation, a topic which probably deserves its own thread.

My thesis remains, without Christ you will not find freedom.

Correlation =/= causation. You’re confusing “constitution written by people who happen to be Christian” with “constitution that has specifically Christian principles embedded in it”. You might as well say right handedness is responsible for all the freedom in the world.

It’s an especially ahistorical claim given Christianity’s relationship with slavery, the Crusades, the Inquisition, and colonization. Native people were decidedly less “free” after being forcibly converted, their children taken away and put into Christian schools, their language and rituals outlawed, and so forth.

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Anonymous wrote:Sweden, Denmark, high proportion atheist population. Not all of Europe is so religious.

Denmark is a high trust society. mostly because it is homogeneous.

https://www.helenrussell.co.uk/books/the-year-of-living-danishly/

now in the US diversity means 80% Indians in IT and a token white person.

but to progressives that is ok.

Australia, also high atheist population, also diverse.

You guys keep citing Christian countries. Where are your non-Christian examples? You know the places that never were Christian… Surely you must have at least one paradise where no one celebrates Christmas.

*Uh not really. Not if the majority of a country is atheist. It is more about FREE countries. With true religious freedom, there will probably be some celebration if Christmas and other religion holidays. We don't want forced atheism either. Just freedom.

There are very few true atheists, but a lot of lazy people that don’t want to render unto God what is God’s.

Those people can live off the fruits of their forefathers for a time, but things decay over time.

What you perhaps actually like is to live off the accumulated social capital without having to do anything yourself to maintain it. Much like some people like to live off inherited wealth without having to work hard. That certainly can be appealing.

This is why I’m poking you to name a truly non-Christian nation that meets your definition of freedom. Because such a thing cannot exist without generations of Christians doing the hard work.

DP...I didn't have to look very far because Canada is a non-Christian nation that meets my definition of freedom.

When would you say Canada became a non-Christian nation?

DP. It's in their constitution. From the founding, then.

The constitution provides for freedom of conscience, religion, thought, belief, opinion, and expression. Every individual is equal under the law and has the right to equal protection and benefit of the law without discrimination based on religion. The law imposes “reasonable limits” on the exercise of these religious rights only where such restrictions can be “demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society.” The law permits individuals to sue the government for violations of religious freedom. Federal and provincial human rights laws prohibit discrimination based on the grounds of religious belief. Civil remedies include compensation and changes to the policy or practice responsible for the discrimination.

https://www.state.gov/reports/2022-report-on-international-religious-freedom/canada#:~:text=The%20constitution%20provides%20for%20freedom,without%20discrimination%20based%20on%20religion.

Their Constitution dates back to 1982, not the founding btw. They were founded as a Crown Colony, and the Crown is the head of the Anglican Church. So that's 200+ years of being an officially Christian nation, and 43 of being merely culturally Christian.

Once again, you people seem to really like formerly Christian nations that are frittering away their spiritual inheritance, much like one might befriend a trust-funder who spends his parents wealth. But we all know the shirt-tails to shirt-tails story.

And I'm still waiting for an example of a free nation without a deep Christian heritage.

Yes, Canada began as its own nation -- not as a colony of the British Empire -- with the patriation of its constitution. It has been an independent country since 1982.

If you wanted its history as a colony, you should have asked for that.

Please give it up, Canada is a member of the commonwealth for goodness sake.

Yes, but as its own nation, no longer as just a colony since patriation of its Constitution in 1982.

This is not hard.

Canada was not self-determining before 1982, and now it is. When do you think the USA started its history as a nation? Back while we were still a colony of the Brits? Come on.

Behold the atheist. Got something completely wrong and is now doubling down in the most cringe inducing manner rather than admit a fault. Atheistic morality requires one to string self-serving lies together to preserve your worldview.

Thank you for illustrating to anyone on the fence what it will be like if atheists ever take control of.

So what is the date of the USA beginning as a nation?

You’d save everyone a lot of trouble if you looked at Wikipedia before posting.

While you’re looking at it, look at a $20 CAD bill too. You can oddly even find examples printed before 1982.

Yes, when Canada was a colony. They have not been a colony of the British Empire since 1982, but the colony did carry the name of Canada before that -- as a colony, not as a separate nation. The nation of Canada began with the patriation of their Constitution -- same as the USA.

Again, this is not hard.

Your original claim was Canada was founded in 1982 as an atheistic country. No Canadian would agree with you on either point. Canada is generally considered to have been founded in 1867.

To this day, Charles III is the head of state of Canada, and once again he is also the head of the Anglican Church. In this sense Canada is more a Christian nation than the USA.

The bigger point being is that truth is meaningless to an atheist. Words mean whatever you want them to mean in a moment. They are the “always have been at war with…” meme taken flesh.

Anyone of sufficient intelligence and historical knowledge can see where this kind of thinking leads: gulags and open graves full of people foolish enough to still believe what they were told yesterday instead of today.

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Anonymous wrote:Sweden, Denmark, high proportion atheist population. Not all of Europe is so religious.

Denmark is a high trust society. mostly because it is homogeneous.

https://www.helenrussell.co.uk/books/the-year-of-living-danishly/

now in the US diversity means 80% Indians in IT and a token white person.

but to progressives that is ok.

Australia, also high atheist population, also diverse.

You guys keep citing Christian countries. Where are your non-Christian examples? You know the places that never were Christian… Surely you must have at least one paradise where no one celebrates Christmas.

*Uh not really. Not if the majority of a country is atheist. It is more about FREE countries. With true religious freedom, there will probably be some celebration if Christmas and other religion holidays. We don't want forced atheism either. Just freedom.

There are very few true atheists, but a lot of lazy people that don’t want to render unto God what is God’s.

Those people can live off the fruits of their forefathers for a time, but things decay over time.

What you perhaps actually like is to live off the accumulated social capital without having to do anything yourself to maintain it. Much like some people like to live off inherited wealth without having to work hard. That certainly can be appealing.

This is why I’m poking you to name a truly non-Christian nation that meets your definition of freedom. Because such a thing cannot exist without generations of Christians doing the hard work.

DP...I didn't have to look very far because Canada is a non-Christian nation that meets my definition of freedom.

When would you say Canada became a non-Christian nation?

DP. It's in their constitution. From the founding, then.

The constitution provides for freedom of conscience, religion, thought, belief, opinion, and expression. Every individual is equal under the law and has the right to equal protection and benefit of the law without discrimination based on religion. The law imposes “reasonable limits” on the exercise of these religious rights only where such restrictions can be “demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society.” The law permits individuals to sue the government for violations of religious freedom. Federal and provincial human rights laws prohibit discrimination based on the grounds of religious belief. Civil remedies include compensation and changes to the policy or practice responsible for the discrimination.

https://www.state.gov/reports/2022-report-on-international-religious-freedom/canada#:~:text=The%20constitution%20provides%20for%20freedom,without%20discrimination%20based%20on%20religion.

Their Constitution dates back to 1982, not the founding btw. They were founded as a Crown Colony, and the Crown is the head of the Anglican Church. So that's 200+ years of being an officially Christian nation, and 43 of being merely culturally Christian.

Once again, you people seem to really like formerly Christian nations that are frittering away their spiritual inheritance, much like one might befriend a trust-funder who spends his parents wealth. But we all know the shirt-tails to shirt-tails story.

And I'm still waiting for an example of a free nation without a deep Christian heritage.

Yes, Canada began as its own nation -- not as a colony of the British Empire -- with the patriation of its constitution. It has been an independent country since 1982.

If you wanted its history as a colony, you should have asked for that.

Please give it up, Canada is a member of the commonwealth for goodness sake.

Yes, but as its own nation, no longer as just a colony since patriation of its Constitution in 1982.

This is not hard.

Canada was not self-determining before 1982, and now it is. When do you think the USA started its history as a nation? Back while we were still a colony of the Brits? Come on.

Behold the atheist. Got something completely wrong and is now doubling down in the most cringe inducing manner rather than admit a fault. Atheistic morality requires one to string self-serving lies together to preserve your worldview.

Thank you for illustrating to anyone on the fence what it will be like if atheists ever take control of.

So what is the date of the USA beginning as a nation?

You’d save everyone a lot of trouble if you looked at Wikipedia before posting.

While you’re looking at it, look at a $20 CAD bill too. You can oddly even find examples printed before 1982.

Yes, when Canada was a colony. They have not been a colony of the British Empire since 1982, but the colony did carry the name of Canada before that -- as a colony, not as a separate nation. The nation of Canada began with the patriation of their Constitution -- same as the USA.

Again, this is not hard.

Your original claim was Canada was founded in 1982 as an atheistic country. No Canadian would agree with you on either point. Canada is generally considered to have been founded in 1867.

To this day, Charles III is the head of state of Canada, and once again he is also the head of the Anglican Church. In this sense Canada is more a Christian nation than the USA.

The bigger point being is that truth is meaningless to an atheist. Words mean whatever you want them to mean in a moment. They are the “always have been at war with…” meme taken flesh.

Anyone of sufficient intelligence and historical knowledge can see where this kind of thinking leads: gulags and open graves full of people foolish enough to still believe what they were told yesterday instead of today.

What a profoundly ignorant statement. Aristotle and Socrates were writing about universal truths centuries before the birth of Christ.

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Anonymous wrote:Sweden, Denmark, high proportion atheist population. Not all of Europe is so religious.

Denmark is a high trust society. mostly because it is homogeneous.

https://www.helenrussell.co.uk/books/the-year-of-living-danishly/

now in the US diversity means 80% Indians in IT and a token white person.

but to progressives that is ok.

Australia, also high atheist population, also diverse.

You guys keep citing Christian countries. Where are your non-Christian examples? You know the places that never were Christian… Surely you must have at least one paradise where no one celebrates Christmas.

*Uh not really. Not if the majority of a country is atheist. It is more about FREE countries. With true religious freedom, there will probably be some celebration if Christmas and other religion holidays. We don't want forced atheism either. Just freedom.

There are very few true atheists, but a lot of lazy people that don’t want to render unto God what is God’s.

Those people can live off the fruits of their forefathers for a time, but things decay over time.

What you perhaps actually like is to live off the accumulated social capital without having to do anything yourself to maintain it. Much like some people like to live off inherited wealth without having to work hard. That certainly can be appealing.

This is why I’m poking you to name a truly non-Christian nation that meets your definition of freedom. Because such a thing cannot exist without generations of Christians doing the hard work.

DP...I didn't have to look very far because Canada is a non-Christian nation that meets my definition of freedom.

When would you say Canada became a non-Christian nation?

DP. It's in their constitution. From the founding, then.

The constitution provides for freedom of conscience, religion, thought, belief, opinion, and expression. Every individual is equal under the law and has the right to equal protection and benefit of the law without discrimination based on religion. The law imposes “reasonable limits” on the exercise of these religious rights only where such restrictions can be “demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society.” The law permits individuals to sue the government for violations of religious freedom. Federal and provincial human rights laws prohibit discrimination based on the grounds of religious belief. Civil remedies include compensation and changes to the policy or practice responsible for the discrimination.

https://www.state.gov/reports/2022-report-on-international-religious-freedom/canada#:~:text=The%20constitution%20provides%20for%20freedom,without%20discrimination%20based%20on%20religion.

Their Constitution dates back to 1982, not the founding btw. They were founded as a Crown Colony, and the Crown is the head of the Anglican Church. So that's 200+ years of being an officially Christian nation, and 43 of being merely culturally Christian.

Once again, you people seem to really like formerly Christian nations that are frittering away their spiritual inheritance, much like one might befriend a trust-funder who spends his parents wealth. But we all know the shirt-tails to shirt-tails story.

And I'm still waiting for an example of a free nation without a deep Christian heritage.

Yes, Canada began as its own nation -- not as a colony of the British Empire -- with the patriation of its constitution. It has been an independent country since 1982.

If you wanted its history as a colony, you should have asked for that.

Please give it up, Canada is a member of the commonwealth for goodness sake.

Yes, but as its own nation, no longer as just a colony since patriation of its Constitution in 1982.

This is not hard.

Canada was not self-determining before 1982, and now it is. When do you think the USA started its history as a nation? Back while we were still a colony of the Brits? Come on.

Behold the atheist. Got something completely wrong and is now doubling down in the most cringe inducing manner rather than admit a fault. Atheistic morality requires one to string self-serving lies together to preserve your worldview.

Thank you for illustrating to anyone on the fence what it will be like if atheists ever take control of.

So what is the date of the USA beginning as a nation?

You’d save everyone a lot of trouble if you looked at Wikipedia before posting.

While you’re looking at it, look at a $20 CAD bill too. You can oddly even find examples printed before 1982.

Yes, when Canada was a colony. They have not been a colony of the British Empire since 1982, but the colony did carry the name of Canada before that -- as a colony, not as a separate nation. The nation of Canada began with the patriation of their Constitution -- same as the USA.

Again, this is not hard.

Your original claim was Canada was founded in 1982 as an atheistic country. No Canadian would agree with you on either point. Canada is generally considered to have been founded in 1867.

To this day, Charles III is the head of state of Canada, and once again he is also the head of the Anglican Church. In this sense Canada is more a Christian nation than the USA.

The bigger point being is that truth is meaningless to an atheist. Words mean whatever you want them to mean in a moment. They are the “always have been at war with…” meme taken flesh.

Anyone of sufficient intelligence and historical knowledge can see where this kind of thinking leads: gulags and open graves full of people foolish enough to still believe what they were told yesterday instead of today.

What a profoundly ignorant statement. Aristotle and Socrates were writing about universal truths centuries before the birth of Christ.

Neither one was an atheist, and Socrates was basically murdered for asking too many uncomfortable questions.

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Anonymous wrote:Sweden, Denmark, high proportion atheist population. Not all of Europe is so religious.

Denmark is a high trust society. mostly because it is homogeneous.

https://www.helenrussell.co.uk/books/the-year-of-living-danishly/

now in the US diversity means 80% Indians in IT and a token white person.

but to progressives that is ok.

Australia, also high atheist population, also diverse.

You guys keep citing Christian countries. Where are your non-Christian examples? You know the places that never were Christian… Surely you must have at least one paradise where no one celebrates Christmas.

*Uh not really. Not if the majority of a country is atheist. It is more about FREE countries. With true religious freedom, there will probably be some celebration if Christmas and other religion holidays. We don't want forced atheism either. Just freedom.

There are very few true atheists, but a lot of lazy people that don’t want to render unto God what is God’s.

Those people can live off the fruits of their forefathers for a time, but things decay over time.

What you perhaps actually like is to live off the accumulated social capital without having to do anything yourself to maintain it. Much like some people like to live off inherited wealth without having to work hard. That certainly can be appealing.

This is why I’m poking you to name a truly non-Christian nation that meets your definition of freedom. Because such a thing cannot exist without generations of Christians doing the hard work.

DP...I didn't have to look very far because Canada is a non-Christian nation that meets my definition of freedom.

When would you say Canada became a non-Christian nation?

DP. It's in their constitution. From the founding, then.

The constitution provides for freedom of conscience, religion, thought, belief, opinion, and expression. Every individual is equal under the law and has the right to equal protection and benefit of the law without discrimination based on religion. The law imposes “reasonable limits” on the exercise of these religious rights only where such restrictions can be “demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society.” The law permits individuals to sue the government for violations of religious freedom. Federal and provincial human rights laws prohibit discrimination based on the grounds of religious belief. Civil remedies include compensation and changes to the policy or practice responsible for the discrimination.

https://www.state.gov/reports/2022-report-on-international-religious-freedom/canada#:~:text=The%20constitution%20provides%20for%20freedom,without%20discrimination%20based%20on%20religion.

Their Constitution dates back to 1982, not the founding btw. They were founded as a Crown Colony, and the Crown is the head of the Anglican Church. So that's 200+ years of being an officially Christian nation, and 43 of being merely culturally Christian.

Once again, you people seem to really like formerly Christian nations that are frittering away their spiritual inheritance, much like one might befriend a trust-funder who spends his parents wealth. But we all know the shirt-tails to shirt-tails story.

And I'm still waiting for an example of a free nation without a deep Christian heritage.

Yes, Canada began as its own nation -- not as a colony of the British Empire -- with the patriation of its constitution. It has been an independent country since 1982.

If you wanted its history as a colony, you should have asked for that.

Please give it up, Canada is a member of the commonwealth for goodness sake.

Yes, but as its own nation, no longer as just a colony since patriation of its Constitution in 1982.

This is not hard.

Canada was not self-determining before 1982, and now it is. When do you think the USA started its history as a nation? Back while we were still a colony of the Brits? Come on.

Behold the atheist. Got something completely wrong and is now doubling down in the most cringe inducing manner rather than admit a fault. Atheistic morality requires one to string self-serving lies together to preserve your worldview.

Thank you for illustrating to anyone on the fence what it will be like if atheists ever take control of.

So what is the date of the USA beginning as a nation?

You’d save everyone a lot of trouble if you looked at Wikipedia before posting.

While you’re looking at it, look at a $20 CAD bill too. You can oddly even find examples printed before 1982.

Yes, when Canada was a colony. They have not been a colony of the British Empire since 1982, but the colony did carry the name of Canada before that -- as a colony, not as a separate nation. The nation of Canada began with the patriation of their Constitution -- same as the USA.

Again, this is not hard.

Your original claim was Canada was founded in 1982 as an atheistic country. No Canadian would agree with you on either point. Canada is generally considered to have been founded in 1867.

To this day, Charles III is the head of state of Canada, and once again he is also the head of the Anglican Church. In this sense Canada is more a Christian nation than the USA.

The bigger point being is that truth is meaningless to an atheist. Words mean whatever you want them to mean in a moment. They are the “always have been at war with…” meme taken flesh.

Anyone of sufficient intelligence and historical knowledge can see where this kind of thinking leads: gulags and open graves full of people foolish enough to still believe what they were told yesterday instead of today.

What a profoundly ignorant statement. Aristotle and Socrates were writing about universal truths centuries before the birth of Christ.

Neither one was an atheist, and Socrates was basically murdered for asking too many uncomfortable questions.

If your takeaway from their explorations of the nature of truth is that truth is based on God/gods/divinity, you should probably read their writings again. Slower, this time, because it clearly didn't sink in the first time around.

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Anonymous wrote:Try pushing LGBTQ in an Islamic country and see how that works out for you. Write back.

Nobody is “pushing lgbtq” on anyone.

Try “not pushing” lgbtq on anyone in an Islamic country. What freedoms you take for granted are entirely dependent upon a Christian heritage.

Which brings me back to my original question. What country that was never Christian do you consider free?

Cato rates Japan as freer than the United States, or is Cato too woke and leftist for your kind ever since they published a report finding that politically-motivated violence is primarily a right-wing issue?

In any event, you can stop with the non sequiturs now that someone has held your hand and spoonfed you the information you were looking for.

Japan has also been occupied by the USA, a Christian nation, who wrote their constitution for them. At least you tried.

Japan's Constitution was indeed written by the US but it has absolutely no Christian doctrine in it whatsoever, and in fact has nothing at all to do with Christianity. Furthermore, it strongly promotes separation of church and state, which was an intentional choice made to prevent Japan from returning to the State Shinto that drove its militarism.

"At least you tried" - and failed - to imply Christianity had some value there.

I think you’re making my point for me here. Japan never developed freedom or even chose it. It was imposed during a military occupation, which is pretty lulzy. It’s akin to the situation in Hong Kong, where it was free only so long as the British occupied it. That freedom didn’t survive a generation on its own.

Neither Japan nor Hong Kong ever become free without occupation by a Christian nation, a topic which probably deserves its own thread.

My thesis remains, without Christ you will not find freedom.

Ancient Greeks developed concepts of democracy, individual liberty, freedom of speech, trial by jury, civil discourse, and equality just fine without Jesus’ help.

Western civilization is largely Greco roman law combined with new testament morality

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Anonymous wrote:Try pushing LGBTQ in an Islamic country and see how that works out for you. Write back.

Nobody is “pushing lgbtq” on anyone.

Try “not pushing” lgbtq on anyone in an Islamic country. What freedoms you take for granted are entirely dependent upon a Christian heritage.

Which brings me back to my original question. What country that was never Christian do you consider free?

Cato rates Japan as freer than the United States, or is Cato too woke and leftist for your kind ever since they published a report finding that politically-motivated violence is primarily a right-wing issue?

In any event, you can stop with the non sequiturs now that someone has held your hand and spoonfed you the information you were looking for.

Japan has also been occupied by the USA, a Christian nation, who wrote their constitution for them. At least you tried.

Japan's Constitution was indeed written by the US but it has absolutely no Christian doctrine in it whatsoever, and in fact has nothing at all to do with Christianity. Furthermore, it strongly promotes separation of church and state, which was an intentional choice made to prevent Japan from returning to the State Shinto that drove its militarism.

"At least you tried" - and failed - to imply Christianity had some value there.

I think you’re making my point for me here. Japan never developed freedom or even chose it. It was imposed during a military occupation, which is pretty lulzy. It’s akin to the situation in Hong Kong, where it was free only so long as the British occupied it. That freedom didn’t survive a generation on its own.

Neither Japan nor Hong Kong ever become free without occupation by a Christian nation, a topic which probably deserves its own thread.

My thesis remains, without Christ you will not find freedom.

Ancient Greeks developed concepts of democracy, individual liberty, freedom of speech, trial by jury, civil discourse, and equality just fine without Jesus’ help.

Western civilization is largely Greco roman law combined with new testament morality

What morality? the one that says adultery is ok? That pedophelia is acceptable? That telling the poor to shove off is the way to go?

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Anonymous wrote:Try pushing LGBTQ in an Islamic country and see how that works out for you. Write back.

Nobody is “pushing lgbtq” on anyone.

Try “not pushing” lgbtq on anyone in an Islamic country. What freedoms you take for granted are entirely dependent upon a Christian heritage.

Which brings me back to my original question. What country that was never Christian do you consider free?

Cato rates Japan as freer than the United States, or is Cato too woke and leftist for your kind ever since they published a report finding that politically-motivated violence is primarily a right-wing issue?

In any event, you can stop with the non sequiturs now that someone has held your hand and spoonfed you the information you were looking for.

Japan has also been occupied by the USA, a Christian nation, who wrote their constitution for them. At least you tried.

Japan's Constitution was indeed written by the US but it has absolutely no Christian doctrine in it whatsoever, and in fact has nothing at all to do with Christianity. Furthermore, it strongly promotes separation of church and state, which was an intentional choice made to prevent Japan from returning to the State Shinto that drove its militarism.

"At least you tried" - and failed - to imply Christianity had some value there.

I think you’re making my point for me here. Japan never developed freedom or even chose it. It was imposed during a military occupation, which is pretty lulzy. It’s akin to the situation in Hong Kong, where it was free only so long as the British occupied it. That freedom didn’t survive a generation on its own.

Neither Japan nor Hong Kong ever become free without occupation by a Christian nation, a topic which probably deserves its own thread.

My thesis remains, without Christ you will not find freedom.

Ancient Greeks developed concepts of democracy, individual liberty, freedom of speech, trial by jury, civil discourse, and equality just fine without Jesus’ help.

Western civilization is largely Greco roman law combined with new testament morality

What morality? the one that says adultery is ok? That pedophelia is acceptable? That telling the poor to shove off is the way to go?

That’s the Old Testament bro. The one Israel is based on.

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Anonymous wrote:Try pushing LGBTQ in an Islamic country and see how that works out for you. Write back.

Nobody is “pushing lgbtq” on anyone.

Try “not pushing” lgbtq on anyone in an Islamic country. What freedoms you take for granted are entirely dependent upon a Christian heritage.

Which brings me back to my original question. What country that was never Christian do you consider free?

Cato rates Japan as freer than the United States, or is Cato too woke and leftist for your kind ever since they published a report finding that politically-motivated violence is primarily a right-wing issue?

In any event, you can stop with the non sequiturs now that someone has held your hand and spoonfed you the information you were looking for.

Japan has also been occupied by the USA, a Christian nation, who wrote their constitution for them. At least you tried.

Japan's Constitution was indeed written by the US but it has absolutely no Christian doctrine in it whatsoever, and in fact has nothing at all to do with Christianity. Furthermore, it strongly promotes separation of church and state, which was an intentional choice made to prevent Japan from returning to the State Shinto that drove its militarism.

"At least you tried" - and failed - to imply Christianity had some value there.

I think you’re making my point for me here. Japan never developed freedom or even chose it. It was imposed during a military occupation, which is pretty lulzy. It’s akin to the situation in Hong Kong, where it was free only so long as the British occupied it. That freedom didn’t survive a generation on its own.

Neither Japan nor Hong Kong ever become free without occupation by a Christian nation, a topic which probably deserves its own thread.

My thesis remains, without Christ you will not find freedom.

LOL, so when the crusaders ransacked the middle east, was that freedom? When the Christians ransacked the native Americans, the central Americans and south Americans, was that Freedom? I think you don't understand the full history of Christianity in the world. You know, those Christians who worked with African tribes to steal humans and sell them for money in the new world?

I have plenty of freedom and have no need for Christ in any capacity and certainly not the way the Evangelicals are using him.,

In Genesis it is said that man is created in the image of God, implying equality among men (perhaps less for women?). And kings (once the Israelites got God to agree to let them have kings) were at times restrained by prophets. In the New Testament Jesus regards men and women equally, says to love your neighbor as yourself, and when the man he is speaking to asks who is neighbor is, he delivers the parable of the Good Samaritan.

So in those teachings groundwork was definitely laid for a concept of every person being equal and free, but guess what? That framework did not result in equality or freedom until almost 2000 years after the New Testament. It took Jefferson, who cut out every single miracle from the New Testament, to declare the existence of "sacred" and innate rights.

So, if Christianity is the precondition for freedom, how is it Christianity took so long to even get there, much less being used to justify conquest including murdering of indigenous peoples, the horrific forms of execution dealt to heretics, slavery, subjection of women, and all the other ills "Christian nations" produced through all that time?

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Anonymous wrote:Sweden, Denmark, high proportion atheist population. Not all of Europe is so religious.

Denmark is a high trust society. mostly because it is homogeneous.

https://www.helenrussell.co.uk/books/the-year-of-living-danishly/

now in the US diversity means 80% Indians in IT and a token white person.

but to progressives that is ok.

Australia, also high atheist population, also diverse.

You guys keep citing Christian countries. Where are your non-Christian examples? You know the places that never were Christian… Surely you must have at least one paradise where no one celebrates Christmas.

*Uh not really. Not if the majority of a country is atheist. It is more about FREE countries. With true religious freedom, there will probably be some celebration if Christmas and other religion holidays. We don't want forced atheism either. Just freedom.

There are very few true atheists, but a lot of lazy people that don’t want to render unto God what is God’s.

Those people can live off the fruits of their forefathers for a time, but things decay over time.

What you perhaps actually like is to live off the accumulated social capital without having to do anything yourself to maintain it. Much like some people like to live off inherited wealth without having to work hard. That certainly can be appealing.

This is why I’m poking you to name a truly non-Christian nation that meets your definition of freedom. Because such a thing cannot exist without generations of Christians doing the hard work.

DP...I didn't have to look very far because Canada is a non-Christian nation that meets my definition of freedom.

When would you say Canada became a non-Christian nation?

DP. It's in their constitution. From the founding, then.

The constitution provides for freedom of conscience, religion, thought, belief, opinion, and expression. Every individual is equal under the law and has the right to equal protection and benefit of the law without discrimination based on religion. The law imposes “reasonable limits” on the exercise of these religious rights only where such restrictions can be “demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society.” The law permits individuals to sue the government for violations of religious freedom. Federal and provincial human rights laws prohibit discrimination based on the grounds of religious belief. Civil remedies include compensation and changes to the policy or practice responsible for the discrimination.

https://www.state.gov/reports/2022-report-on-international-religious-freedom/canada#:~:text=The%20constitution%20provides%20for%20freedom,without%20discrimination%20based%20on%20religion.

Their Constitution dates back to 1982, not the founding btw. They were founded as a Crown Colony, and the Crown is the head of the Anglican Church. So that's 200+ years of being an officially Christian nation, and 43 of being merely culturally Christian.

Once again, you people seem to really like formerly Christian nations that are frittering away their spiritual inheritance, much like one might befriend a trust-funder who spends his parents wealth. But we all know the shirt-tails to shirt-tails story.

And I'm still waiting for an example of a free nation without a deep Christian heritage.

Yes, Canada began as its own nation -- not as a colony of the British Empire -- with the patriation of its constitution. It has been an independent country since 1982.

If you wanted its history as a colony, you should have asked for that.

Please give it up, Canada is a member of the commonwealth for goodness sake.

Yes, but as its own nation, no longer as just a colony since patriation of its Constitution in 1982.

This is not hard.

Canada was not self-determining before 1982, and now it is. When do you think the USA started its history as a nation? Back while we were still a colony of the Brits? Come on.

Behold the atheist. Got something completely wrong and is now doubling down in the most cringe inducing manner rather than admit a fault. Atheistic morality requires one to string self-serving lies together to preserve your worldview.

Thank you for illustrating to anyone on the fence what it will be like if atheists ever take control of.

So what is the date of the USA beginning as a nation?

You’d save everyone a lot of trouble if you looked at Wikipedia before posting.

While you’re looking at it, look at a $20 CAD bill too. You can oddly even find examples printed before 1982.

Yes, when Canada was a colony. They have not been a colony of the British Empire since 1982, but the colony did carry the name of Canada before that -- as a colony, not as a separate nation. The nation of Canada began with the patriation of their Constitution -- same as the USA.

Again, this is not hard.

Your original claim was Canada was founded in 1982 as an atheistic country. No Canadian would agree with you on either point. Canada is generally considered to have been founded in 1867.

To this day, Charles III is the head of state of Canada, and once again he is also the head of the Anglican Church. In this sense Canada is more a Christian nation than the USA.

The bigger point being is that truth is meaningless to an atheist. Words mean whatever you want them to mean in a moment. They are the “always have been at war with…” meme taken flesh.

Anyone of sufficient intelligence and historical knowledge can see where this kind of thinking leads: gulags and open graves full of people foolish enough to still believe what they were told yesterday instead of today.

What a profoundly ignorant statement. Aristotle and Socrates were writing about universal truths centuries before the birth of Christ.

Neither one was an atheist, and Socrates was basically murdered for asking too many uncomfortable questions.

After stating that “without Christ, you will not find freedom”, now you’ve moved the goalposts again to claim that it’s religion in general. Sorry, but your thesis has been debunked.

This just a few posts after you had the nerve to proclaim this:

The bigger point being is that truth is meaningless to an atheist. Words mean whatever you want them to mean in a moment. They are the “always have been at war with…” meme taken flesh.

If anyone is bending the truth here, it’s you.

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Anonymous wrote:Sweden, Denmark, high proportion atheist population. Not all of Europe is so religious.

Denmark is a high trust society. mostly because it is homogeneous.

https://www.helenrussell.co.uk/books/the-year-of-living-danishly/

now in the US diversity means 80% Indians in IT and a token white person.

but to progressives that is ok.

Australia, also high atheist population, also diverse.

You guys keep citing Christian countries. Where are your non-Christian examples? You know the places that never were Christian… Surely you must have at least one paradise where no one celebrates Christmas.

*Uh not really. Not if the majority of a country is atheist. It is more about FREE countries. With true religious freedom, there will probably be some celebration if Christmas and other religion holidays. We don't want forced atheism either. Just freedom.

There are very few true atheists, but a lot of lazy people that don’t want to render unto God what is God’s.

Those people can live off the fruits of their forefathers for a time, but things decay over time.

What you perhaps actually like is to live off the accumulated social capital without having to do anything yourself to maintain it. Much like some people like to live off inherited wealth without having to work hard. That certainly can be appealing.

This is why I’m poking you to name a truly non-Christian nation that meets your definition of freedom. Because such a thing cannot exist without generations of Christians doing the hard work.

DP...I didn't have to look very far because Canada is a non-Christian nation that meets my definition of freedom.

When would you say Canada became a non-Christian nation?

DP. It's in their constitution. From the founding, then.

The constitution provides for freedom of conscience, religion, thought, belief, opinion, and expression. Every individual is equal under the law and has the right to equal protection and benefit of the law without discrimination based on religion. The law imposes “reasonable limits” on the exercise of these religious rights only where such restrictions can be “demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society.” The law permits individuals to sue the government for violations of religious freedom. Federal and provincial human rights laws prohibit discrimination based on the grounds of religious belief. Civil remedies include compensation and changes to the policy or practice responsible for the discrimination.

https://www.state.gov/reports/2022-report-on-international-religious-freedom/canada#:~:text=The%20constitution%20provides%20for%20freedom,without%20discrimination%20based%20on%20religion.

Their Constitution dates back to 1982, not the founding btw. They were founded as a Crown Colony, and the Crown is the head of the Anglican Church. So that's 200+ years of being an officially Christian nation, and 43 of being merely culturally Christian.

Once again, you people seem to really like formerly Christian nations that are frittering away their spiritual inheritance, much like one might befriend a trust-funder who spends his parents wealth. But we all know the shirt-tails to shirt-tails story.

And I'm still waiting for an example of a free nation without a deep Christian heritage.

Yes, Canada began as its own nation -- not as a colony of the British Empire -- with the patriation of its constitution. It has been an independent country since 1982.

If you wanted its history as a colony, you should have asked for that.

Please give it up, Canada is a member of the commonwealth for goodness sake.

Yes, but as its own nation, no longer as just a colony since patriation of its Constitution in 1982.

This is not hard.

Canada was not self-determining before 1982, and now it is. When do you think the USA started its history as a nation? Back while we were still a colony of the Brits? Come on.

Behold the atheist. Got something completely wrong and is now doubling down in the most cringe inducing manner rather than admit a fault. Atheistic morality requires one to string self-serving lies together to preserve your worldview.

Thank you for illustrating to anyone on the fence what it will be like if atheists ever take control of.

So what is the date of the USA beginning as a nation?

You’d save everyone a lot of trouble if you looked at Wikipedia before posting.

While you’re looking at it, look at a $20 CAD bill too. You can oddly even find examples printed before 1982.

Yes, when Canada was a colony. They have not been a colony of the British Empire since 1982, but the colony did carry the name of Canada before that -- as a colony, not as a separate nation. The nation of Canada began with the patriation of their Constitution -- same as the USA.

Again, this is not hard.

Your original claim was Canada was founded in 1982 as an atheistic country. No Canadian would agree with you on either point. Canada is generally considered to have been founded in 1867.

To this day, Charles III is the head of state of Canada, and once again he is also the head of the Anglican Church. In this sense Canada is more a Christian nation than the USA.

The bigger point being is that truth is meaningless to an atheist. Words mean whatever you want them to mean in a moment. They are the “always have been at war with…” meme taken flesh.

Anyone of sufficient intelligence and historical knowledge can see where this kind of thinking leads: gulags and open graves full of people foolish enough to still believe what they were told yesterday instead of today.

What a profoundly ignorant statement. Aristotle and Socrates were writing about universal truths centuries before the birth of Christ.

Neither one was an atheist, and Socrates was basically murdered for asking too many uncomfortable questions.

After stating that “without Christ, you will not find freedom”, now you’ve moved the goalposts again to claim that it’s religion in general. Sorry, but your thesis has been debunked.

This just a few posts after you had the nerve to proclaim this:

The bigger point being is that truth is meaningless to an atheist. Words mean whatever you want them to mean in a moment. They are the “always have been at war with…” meme taken flesh.

If anyone is bending the truth here, it’s you.

If you asked Socrates, would he say he lived in a free society? Would he consider himself an atheist? Those were two claims being made that needed rebuttal. They also practiced slavery in their time just in case anyone forgot. Which makes the whole digression weird.

It’s a lot easier to just accept your patrimony and be thankful than to squirm around trying to invent a past that never existed.

It still stands that your definition of freedom is only possible in a nation formed by Christianity. Had Christ never come to Earth, you would not know freedom.

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Anonymous wrote:Sweden, Denmark, high proportion atheist population. Not all of Europe is so religious.

Denmark is a high trust society. mostly because it is homogeneous.

https://www.helenrussell.co.uk/books/the-year-of-living-danishly/

now in the US diversity means 80% Indians in IT and a token white person.

but to progressives that is ok.

Australia, also high atheist population, also diverse.

You guys keep citing Christian countries. Where are your non-Christian examples? You know the places that never were Christian… Surely you must have at least one paradise where no one celebrates Christmas.

*Uh not really. Not if the majority of a country is atheist. It is more about FREE countries. With true religious freedom, there will probably be some celebration if Christmas and other religion holidays. We don't want forced atheism either. Just freedom.

There are very few true atheists, but a lot of lazy people that don’t want to render unto God what is God’s.

Those people can live off the fruits of their forefathers for a time, but things decay over time.

What you perhaps actually like is to live off the accumulated social capital without having to do anything yourself to maintain it. Much like some people like to live off inherited wealth without having to work hard. That certainly can be appealing.

This is why I’m poking you to name a truly non-Christian nation that meets your definition of freedom. Because such a thing cannot exist without generations of Christians doing the hard work.

DP...I didn't have to look very far because Canada is a non-Christian nation that meets my definition of freedom.

When would you say Canada became a non-Christian nation?

DP. It's in their constitution. From the founding, then.

The constitution provides for freedom of conscience, religion, thought, belief, opinion, and expression. Every individual is equal under the law and has the right to equal protection and benefit of the law without discrimination based on religion. The law imposes “reasonable limits” on the exercise of these religious rights only where such restrictions can be “demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society.” The law permits individuals to sue the government for violations of religious freedom. Federal and provincial human rights laws prohibit discrimination based on the grounds of religious belief. Civil remedies include compensation and changes to the policy or practice responsible for the discrimination.

https://www.state.gov/reports/2022-report-on-international-religious-freedom/canada#:~:text=The%20constitution%20provides%20for%20freedom,without%20discrimination%20based%20on%20religion.

Their Constitution dates back to 1982, not the founding btw. They were founded as a Crown Colony, and the Crown is the head of the Anglican Church. So that's 200+ years of being an officially Christian nation, and 43 of being merely culturally Christian.

Once again, you people seem to really like formerly Christian nations that are frittering away their spiritual inheritance, much like one might befriend a trust-funder who spends his parents wealth. But we all know the shirt-tails to shirt-tails story.

And I'm still waiting for an example of a free nation without a deep Christian heritage.

Yes, Canada began as its own nation -- not as a colony of the British Empire -- with the patriation of its constitution. It has been an independent country since 1982.

If you wanted its history as a colony, you should have asked for that.

Please give it up, Canada is a member of the commonwealth for goodness sake.

Yes, but as its own nation, no longer as just a colony since patriation of its Constitution in 1982.

This is not hard.

Canada was not self-determining before 1982, and now it is. When do you think the USA started its history as a nation? Back while we were still a colony of the Brits? Come on.

Behold the atheist. Got something completely wrong and is now doubling down in the most cringe inducing manner rather than admit a fault. Atheistic morality requires one to string self-serving lies together to preserve your worldview.

Thank you for illustrating to anyone on the fence what it will be like if atheists ever take control of.

So what is the date of the USA beginning as a nation?

You’d save everyone a lot of trouble if you looked at Wikipedia before posting.

While you’re looking at it, look at a $20 CAD bill too. You can oddly even find examples printed before 1982.

Yes, when Canada was a colony. They have not been a colony of the British Empire since 1982, but the colony did carry the name of Canada before that -- as a colony, not as a separate nation. The nation of Canada began with the patriation of their Constitution -- same as the USA.

Again, this is not hard.

Your original claim was Canada was founded in 1982 as an atheistic country. No Canadian would agree with you on either point. Canada is generally considered to have been founded in 1867.

To this day, Charles III is the head of state of Canada, and once again he is also the head of the Anglican Church. In this sense Canada is more a Christian nation than the USA.

The bigger point being is that truth is meaningless to an atheist. Words mean whatever you want them to mean in a moment. They are the “always have been at war with…” meme taken flesh.

Anyone of sufficient intelligence and historical knowledge can see where this kind of thinking leads: gulags and open graves full of people foolish enough to still believe what they were told yesterday instead of today.

What a profoundly ignorant statement. Aristotle and Socrates were writing about universal truths centuries before the birth of Christ.

Neither one was an atheist, and Socrates was basically murdered for asking too many uncomfortable questions.

After stating that “without Christ, you will not find freedom”, now you’ve moved the goalposts again to claim that it’s religion in general. Sorry, but your thesis has been debunked.

This just a few posts after you had the nerve to proclaim this:

The bigger point being is that truth is meaningless to an atheist. Words mean whatever you want them to mean in a moment. They are the “always have been at war with…” meme taken flesh.

If anyone is bending the truth here, it’s you.

If you asked Socrates, would he say he lived in a free society? Would he consider himself an atheist? Those were two claims being made that needed rebuttal. They also practiced slavery in their time just in case anyone forgot. Which makes the whole digression weird.

It’s a lot easier to just accept your patrimony and be thankful than to squirm around trying to invent a past that never existed.

It still stands that your definition of freedom is only possible in a nation formed by Christianity. Had Christ never come to Earth, you would not know freedom.

Buddy. Stop. Everyone can see through your act. You aren't fooling anybody. Your claims have been repeatedly debunked. It's time to log off for the day.