All the boundary options are bad for the DCC-- how do we organize against that? (Any ideas for alternative options?)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you care about making change, you need to do something serious like write a coherent document with data-backed arguments, not argue on an anonymous message board.

Yes this. Or attempting to get others (even those on DCUM) to comment favorably for the DCC option of choice in the feedback forms. You can try to make allies but that’s apparently not your jam.

And why should I as a non-DCC parent care about this? How does it affect me? Is it going to cost more and impact my property taxes? Is it going to lead to more congestion? Is it going to impact the boundaries of my cluster? And by retaining it, who is this helping? A few privileged strivers or the broader DCC? Or not and just whine about persistent inequality between clusters.

Why should I take time to explain to you what has been explained ad nauseum on this thread? You don't need to read this thread or post here if you don't care.

Because the alternative without a clear and concise summary of why any non-DCC parent should care is that I will advocate against any change from the current proposal. Why f do I care if it doesn’t affect me? A few squawking parents pissed that their striver doesn’t have the same options now? Yeah okay. Sounds like they should just move to a different cluster like the rest of us.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you care about making change, you need to do something serious like write a coherent document with data-backed arguments, not argue on an anonymous message board.

Yes this. Or attempting to get others (even those on DCUM) to comment favorably for the DCC option of choice in the feedback forms. You can try to make allies but that’s apparently not your jam.

And why should I as a non-DCC parent care about this? How does it affect me? Is it going to cost more and impact my property taxes? Is it going to lead to more congestion? Is it going to impact the boundaries of my cluster? And by retaining it, who is this helping? A few privileged strivers or the broader DCC? Or not and just whine about persistent inequality between clusters.

Why should I take time to explain to you what has been explained ad nauseum on this thread? You don't need to read this thread or post here if you don't care.

Because the alternative without a clear and concise summary of why any non-DCC parent should care is that I will advocate against any change from the current proposal. Why f do I care if it doesn’t affect me? A few squawking parents pissed that their striver doesn’t have the same options now? Yeah okay. Sounds like they should just move to a different cluster like the rest of us.

Why are you posting here? You're saying you don't care but it sounds very much like you do. You're going to advocate for a proposal you don't care about? Lol

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you care about making change, you need to do something serious like write a coherent document with data-backed arguments, not argue on an anonymous message board.

Yes this. Or attempting to get others (even those on DCUM) to comment favorably for the DCC option of choice in the feedback forms. You can try to make allies but that’s apparently not your jam.

And why should I as a non-DCC parent care about this? How does it affect me? Is it going to cost more and impact my property taxes? Is it going to lead to more congestion? Is it going to impact the boundaries of my cluster? And by retaining it, who is this helping? A few privileged strivers or the broader DCC? Or not and just whine about persistent inequality between clusters.

I agree that those are questions to address if DCC parents want to get buy-in from non-DCC parents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you care about making change, you need to do something serious like write a coherent document with data-backed arguments, not argue on an anonymous message board.

Yes this. Or attempting to get others (even those on DCUM) to comment favorably for the DCC option of choice in the feedback forms. You can try to make allies but that’s apparently not your jam.

And why should I as a non-DCC parent care about this? How does it affect me? Is it going to cost more and impact my property taxes? Is it going to lead to more congestion? Is it going to impact the boundaries of my cluster? And by retaining it, who is this helping? A few privileged strivers or the broader DCC? Or not and just whine about persistent inequality between clusters.

I agree that those are questions to address if DCC parents want to get buy-in from non-DCC parents.

Nobody wants to engage with someone who name calls

[Anonymous]

It is reasonable for non-DCC parents to care about what the DCC parents might propose if that has an impact on the non-DCC. This thread early in had some significant negative comments from DCC parents regarding BCC and Whitman. Ergo one would expect DCC parents to propose changes that would negatively impact non-DCC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you care about making change, you need to do something serious like write a coherent document with data-backed arguments, not argue on an anonymous message board.

Yes this. Or attempting to get others (even those on DCUM) to comment favorably for the DCC option of choice in the feedback forms. You can try to make allies but that’s apparently not your jam.

And why should I as a non-DCC parent care about this? How does it affect me? Is it going to cost more and impact my property taxes? Is it going to lead to more congestion? Is it going to impact the boundaries of my cluster? And by retaining it, who is this helping? A few privileged strivers or the broader DCC? Or not and just whine about persistent inequality between clusters.

Why should I take time to explain to you what has been explained ad nauseum on this thread? You don't need to read this thread or post here if you don't care.

Because the alternative without a clear and concise summary of why any non-DCC parent should care is that I will advocate against any change from the current proposal. Why f do I care if it doesn’t affect me? A few squawking parents pissed that their striver doesn’t have the same options now? Yeah okay. Sounds like they should just move to a different cluster like the rest of us.

Why are you posting here? You're saying you don't care but it sounds very much like you do. You're going to advocate for a proposal you don't care about? Lol

Oh I enjoy the spectacle and the hand wringing and the holier than thou attitude that some of you DCC parents take for having decided not to be in a “W” school like it’s some badge of honor. It sounds like a lot of barking from a few privileged parents who suddenly don’t like the fact that their choices have come home to roost rather than a problem that affects the DCC as a whole. The fact that you can’t respond to this about who it affects is really telling! But please prove me wrong.

On the other hand, my admittedly modest amount of empathy for my fellow parents’ plight is also at play. I really don’t know how it affects the county as a whole and if it’s going to raise my property taxes and cost more or some other negative consequence, then I definitely care and would be happy to support rolling it back. So tell me, why should I care about this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is reasonable for non-DCC parents to care about what the DCC parents might propose if that has an impact on the non-DCC. This thread early in had some significant negative comments from DCC parents regarding BCC and Whitman. Ergo one would expect DCC parents to propose changes that would negatively impact non-DCC.

I think you should stop reading this thread and determine how you feel about the MCPS regional program proposal on its merits. Don't worry , the DCC PTAs are mobilizing to advocate for ourselves. I know that may seem unbelievable to you but it is true. You should advocate for what you think is important.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is reasonable for non-DCC parents to care about what the DCC parents might propose if that has an impact on the non-DCC. This thread early in had some significant negative comments from DCC parents regarding BCC and Whitman. Ergo one would expect DCC parents to propose changes that would negatively impact non-DCC.

I think you should stop reading this thread and determine how you feel about the MCPS regional program proposal on its merits. Don't worry , the DCC PTAs are mobilizing to advocate for ourselves. I know that may seem unbelievable to you but it is true. You should advocate for what you think is important.

I have been following those discussions as well. I’m happy that the DCC PTA are mobilizing around them. To me the magnet issues seem to only impact a select few (who can get into magnets/regional programs/whatever we are calling them now) and I therefore am not as moved by the issue (even for my own family).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you care about making change, you need to do something serious like write a coherent document with data-backed arguments, not argue on an anonymous message board.

Yes this. Or attempting to get others (even those on DCUM) to comment favorably for the DCC option of choice in the feedback forms. You can try to make allies but that’s apparently not your jam.

And why should I as a non-DCC parent care about this? How does it affect me? Is it going to cost more and impact my property taxes? Is it going to lead to more congestion? Is it going to impact the boundaries of my cluster? And by retaining it, who is this helping? A few privileged strivers or the broader DCC? Or not and just whine about persistent inequality between clusters.

Why should I take time to explain to you what has been explained ad nauseum on this thread? You don't need to read this thread or post here if you don't care.

Because the alternative without a clear and concise summary of why any non-DCC parent should care is that I will advocate against any change from the current proposal. Why f do I care if it doesn’t affect me? A few squawking parents pissed that their striver doesn’t have the same options now? Yeah okay. Sounds like they should just move to a different cluster like the rest of us.

Why are you posting here? You're saying you don't care but it sounds very much like you do. You're going to advocate for a proposal you don't care about? Lol

Oh I enjoy the spectacle and the hand wringing and the holier than thou attitude that some of you DCC parents take for having decided not to be in a “W” school like it’s some badge of honor. It sounds like a lot of barking from a few privileged parents who suddenly don’t like the fact that their choices have come home to roost rather than a problem that affects the DCC as a whole. The fact that you can’t respond to this about who it affects is really telling! But please prove me wrong.

On the other hand, my admittedly modest amount of empathy for my fellow parents’ plight is also at play. I really don’t know how it affects the county as a whole and if it’s going to raise my property taxes and cost more or some other negative consequence, then I definitely care and would be happy to support rolling it back. So tell me, why should I care about this?

You can't talk to people like this and expect them to answer your questions on demand.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is reasonable for non-DCC parents to care about what the DCC parents might propose if that has an impact on the non-DCC. This thread early in had some significant negative comments from DCC parents regarding BCC and Whitman. Ergo one would expect DCC parents to propose changes that would negatively impact non-DCC.

I think you should stop reading this thread and determine how you feel about the MCPS regional program proposal on its merits. Don't worry , the DCC PTAs are mobilizing to advocate for ourselves. I know that may seem unbelievable to you but it is true. You should advocate for what you think is important.

I have been following those discussions as well. I’m happy that the DCC PTA are mobilizing around them. To me the magnet issues seem to only impact a select few (who can get into magnets/regional programs/whatever we are calling them now) and I therefore am not as moved by the issue (even for my own family).

That's because you don't know how the DCC works. You can go read about it if you want. MCPS has a ton of information about it and it has also been explained on this thread that the DCC isn't just small magnets for the "select few". You either don't care to learn or are intentionally pushing a narrative you know is false.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you care about making change, you need to do something serious like write a coherent document with data-backed arguments, not argue on an anonymous message board.

Yes this. Or attempting to get others (even those on DCUM) to comment favorably for the DCC option of choice in the feedback forms. You can try to make allies but that’s apparently not your jam.

You don't seem to be paying attention. There is no "DCC option of choice" because all the options pit DCC families against eachother while leaving the other schools either neutral or better off. We are trying to organize amongst ourselves to push back on that whole setup and make it clear that we need an amended version of one of these options or a new option entirely.

This new option will probably have minor negative implications on some of your schools-- maybe an extra split articulation or two, a slight shift in FARMS rate, some of your kids maybe having to go to Einstein (gasp! The horror!). But it would be better and fairer for the county as a whole. If you're selfish enough that you want to go all in on getting the perfect map for your particular kids and not care who else it affects, then you do you, but is that really the kind of person you want to be?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you care about making change, you need to do something serious like write a coherent document with data-backed arguments, not argue on an anonymous message board.

Yes this. Or attempting to get others (even those on DCUM) to comment favorably for the DCC option of choice in the feedback forms. You can try to make allies but that’s apparently not your jam.

And why should I as a non-DCC parent care about this? How does it affect me? Is it going to cost more and impact my property taxes? Is it going to lead to more congestion? Is it going to impact the boundaries of my cluster? And by retaining it, who is this helping? A few privileged strivers or the broader DCC? Or not and just whine about persistent inequality between clusters.

Why should I take time to explain to you what has been explained ad nauseum on this thread? You don't need to read this thread or post here if you don't care.

Because the alternative without a clear and concise summary of why any non-DCC parent should care is that I will advocate against any change from the current proposal. Why f do I care if it doesn’t affect me? A few squawking parents pissed that their striver doesn’t have the same options now? Yeah okay. Sounds like they should just move to a different cluster like the rest of us.

Why are you posting here? You're saying you don't care but it sounds very much like you do. You're going to advocate for a proposal you don't care about? Lol

Oh I enjoy the spectacle and the hand wringing and the holier than thou attitude that some of you DCC parents take for having decided not to be in a “W” school like it’s some badge of honor. It sounds like a lot of barking from a few privileged parents who suddenly don’t like the fact that their choices have come home to roost rather than a problem that affects the DCC as a whole. The fact that you can’t respond to this about who it affects is really telling! But please prove me wrong.

On the other hand, my admittedly modest amount of empathy for my fellow parents’ plight is also at play. I really don’t know how it affects the county as a whole and if it’s going to raise my property taxes and cost more or some other negative consequence, then I definitely care and would be happy to support rolling it back. So tell me, why should I care about this?

You can't talk to people like this and expect them to answer your questions on demand.

DP - that person is a psychopath. They’re enjoying this exchange and have zero interest in caring about other people.

[Anonymous]

Yes we “chose” to live in the dcc because it was the only area in which we could afford a house. I personally am not claiming it as a badge of honor but an economic reality. We had to make decisions about what we would save for college, what we could spend on child care, what we could afford for a mortgage, how long we could both spend commuting given trade offs of work and family time, etc. This isn't a choice to avoid schools with more advanced classes and opportunities but rather an economic necessity for a family with limited resources. That is my reality. I can still deeply care about the quality of my children’s education while acknowledging a need to be responsible financially.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you care about making change, you need to do something serious like write a coherent document with data-backed arguments, not argue on an anonymous message board.

Yes this. Or attempting to get others (even those on DCUM) to comment favorably for the DCC option of choice in the feedback forms. You can try to make allies but that’s apparently not your jam.

And why should I as a non-DCC parent care about this? How does it affect me? Is it going to cost more and impact my property taxes? Is it going to lead to more congestion? Is it going to impact the boundaries of my cluster? And by retaining it, who is this helping? A few privileged strivers or the broader DCC? Or not and just whine about persistent inequality between clusters.

Why should I take time to explain to you what has been explained ad nauseum on this thread? You don't need to read this thread or post here if you don't care.

Because the alternative without a clear and concise summary of why any non-DCC parent should care is that I will advocate against any change from the current proposal. Why f do I care if it doesn’t affect me? A few squawking parents pissed that their striver doesn’t have the same options now? Yeah okay. Sounds like they should just move to a different cluster like the rest of us.

Why are you posting here? You're saying you don't care but it sounds very much like you do. You're going to advocate for a proposal you don't care about? Lol

Oh I enjoy the spectacle and the hand wringing and the holier than thou attitude that some of you DCC parents take for having decided not to be in a “W” school like it’s some badge of honor. It sounds like a lot of barking from a few privileged parents who suddenly don’t like the fact that their choices have come home to roost rather than a problem that affects the DCC as a whole. The fact that you can’t respond to this about who it affects is really telling! But please prove me wrong.

On the other hand, my admittedly modest amount of empathy for my fellow parents’ plight is also at play. I really don’t know how it affects the county as a whole and if it’s going to raise my property taxes and cost more or some other negative consequence, then I definitely care and would be happy to support rolling it back. So tell me, why should I care about this?

You can't talk to people like this and expect them to answer your questions on demand.

DP - that person is a psychopath. They’re enjoying this exchange and have zero interest in caring about other people.

Oh, I am enjoying this exchange but not for the reasons you think. I just like exposing hypocrites, especially the ones who have railed against W schools for years. The ugly truth is you’re not different than any of us even though you pretend your decisions are somehow better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you care about making change, you need to do something serious like write a coherent document with data-backed arguments, not argue on an anonymous message board.

Yes this. Or attempting to get others (even those on DCUM) to comment favorably for the DCC option of choice in the feedback forms. You can try to make allies but that’s apparently not your jam.

And why should I as a non-DCC parent care about this? How does it affect me? Is it going to cost more and impact my property taxes? Is it going to lead to more congestion? Is it going to impact the boundaries of my cluster? And by retaining it, who is this helping? A few privileged strivers or the broader DCC? Or not and just whine about persistent inequality between clusters.

Why should I take time to explain to you what has been explained ad nauseum on this thread? You don't need to read this thread or post here if you don't care.

Because the alternative without a clear and concise summary of why any non-DCC parent should care is that I will advocate against any change from the current proposal. Why f do I care if it doesn’t affect me? A few squawking parents pissed that their striver doesn’t have the same options now? Yeah okay. Sounds like they should just move to a different cluster like the rest of us.

"Why should I care if it doesn't affect me?". Is that really how you live your life?

Honestly this doesn't affect my family that much either, besides a possible split articulation that is disappointing but I would be happy to live with if it was part of a fairer option that affected all schools relatively equally or benefited the worse-off schools the most. But I am still pissed off at how these options hurt Kennedy, Wheaton, and Einstein and willing to throw down in solidarity with the families from those schools.