All the boundary options are bad for the DCC-- how do we organize against that? (Any ideas for alternative options?)

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Anonymous wrote:It seems pretty clear that the DCC is being split up and each school is on its own for advocacy. Blair or Northwood seem unlikely to advocate for Einstein. MCPS has to fill Woodward.

Let the ToK issue go. There is no way they will walk to Einstein, with the recent tragedy of a student crossinf University Blvd. Focus on what you really want for Einstein, not what you want to take away from others. Look at what Wheaton has been able to do with Engineering.

To me, the appeal of Einstein is that it is smaller. I like that. I would also want high level classes, whether IB or AP. Maybe add a program like WJ has (Apex) instead of IB. Who gets the Medical Science program? Maybe it could be Einstein.

I have heard few if any actual people focus on adding ToK to Einstein. I think MCPS should do that but it's certainly not my focus. Our PTA's preferred option in the first set of options didn't do that. It's not a priority for our community but I think it should be a priority for MCPS if they want to actually balance the 4 factors but they clearly do not.

And yet it keeps coming up.

On DCUM more than in real life.

+1 this narrative that DCC parents just don't care enough or care about the wrong things is offensive and ridiculous on so many levels but I guess some of you all are too insecure to acknowledge real inequities

unequal and inequities are two different things. What did you think the realities of living in areas crammed with dense low income housing would look or play out like, why do you think you got a discount on that post war rambler or what ever house you bought that cost considerably less than those in nicer areas? What did you think the efficacy of PTAs filled with well resourced middle and upper management types vs PTA slapped together as collations of the barely willing. At some point what you want vs what life you built for your self and now most endure smacks in one's face. When in doubt just look at the real estate prices as there is a undeniable truth in there and there are reasons why there is basically a price ceiling in the DCC with few exceptions where the nicest homes are priced at the entry home point in nicer areas. because if most can afford it they leave.

Equality means the poorest kid can theoretically finish MoCo with all the bells and whistles that a rich kid can, Equal means they do. There is no planet on which those communities will have statically equal results or enjoy the consistent outcomes of privilege or that their communities won't have to deal with the undue burdens.

Amen! Thank you for saying what many of us believe, PP. There seems to be a few posters who have sour grapes or perhaps thought they could have their cake and eat it too at other’s expense. Sorry not sorry, I’m going to advocate for my kids first.

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Anonymous wrote:Many assumptions here about WJ and BCC. Maybe if you looked closely, you would see they are highly diverse schools with many ESL and FARMS kids, as well as kids with special needs.

Why create an us (DCC) vs them (Ws) mindset?

C'mon, anyone can look at the stats and see you're lying. They are both almost half-white, 10% or less EML, and 25% or less FARMS. All way off from MCPS district-wide averages.

Or is that really what passes for diversity in your part of the county?

No, it just fits the demographics of that area. People self select and move to the “best” area that they can rent or afford. That’s a tale as old as time.

No, some of us choose other areas that you would not for a variety of reasons. Our kids deserve equal. We pay the same taxes.

Ok sure you did, you didn't want those grapes anyway the were sour.
Yah
One always knows a person is full of it when their insecurities are on full display when they project they could have had something nicer but "decided" against it. Yah I was looking at the Bentleys but I just kept thinking about how this Kia fit my style. If a person really has their ideal fit they don't have to defend it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It seems pretty clear that the DCC is being split up and each school is on its own for advocacy. Blair or Northwood seem unlikely to advocate for Einstein. MCPS has to fill Woodward.

Let the ToK issue go. There is no way they will walk to Einstein, with the recent tragedy of a student crossinf University Blvd. Focus on what you really want for Einstein, not what you want to take away from others. Look at what Wheaton has been able to do with Engineering.

To me, the appeal of Einstein is that it is smaller. I like that. I would also want high level classes, whether IB or AP. Maybe add a program like WJ has (Apex) instead of IB. Who gets the Medical Science program? Maybe it could be Einstein.

I have heard few if any actual people focus on adding ToK to Einstein. I think MCPS should do that but it's certainly not my focus. Our PTA's preferred option in the first set of options didn't do that. It's not a priority for our community but I think it should be a priority for MCPS if they want to actually balance the 4 factors but they clearly do not.

And yet it keeps coming up.

On DCUM more than in real life.

+1 this narrative that DCC parents just don't care enough or care about the wrong things is offensive and ridiculous on so many levels but I guess some of you all are too insecure to acknowledge real inequities

unequal and inequities are two different things. What did you think the realities of living in areas crammed with dense low income housing would look or play out like, why do you think you got a discount on that post war rambler or what ever house you bought that cost considerably less than those in nicer areas? What did you think the efficacy of PTAs filled with well resourced middle and upper management types vs PTA slapped together as collations of the barely willing. At some point what you want vs what life you built for your self and now most endure smacks in one's face. When in doubt just look at the real estate prices as there is a undeniable truth in there and there are reasons why there is basically a price ceiling in the DCC with few exceptions where the nicest homes are priced at the entry home point in nicer areas. because if most can afford it they leave.

Equality means the poorest kid can theoretically finish MoCo with all the bells and whistles that a rich kid can, Equal means they do. There is no planet on which those communities will have statically equal results or enjoy the consistent outcomes of privilege or that their communities won't have to deal with the undue burdens.

You are incoherent and ignorant. I know many families whose kids have gone through east county schools and they are very happy. Their kids who are in college or have graduated college are doing really well - so sorry to disappoint you! My kid is in a DCC school and the PTA is very active. The problem is MCPS is propising taking away/weakening programs that the community value and have supported for decades. If you DGAF, don't post here. This thread isn't for you,

[Anonymous]

If you care about making change, you need to do something serious like write a coherent document with data-backed arguments, not argue on an anonymous message board.

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Anonymous wrote:If you care about making change, you need to do something serious like write a coherent document with data-backed arguments, not argue on an anonymous message board.

If you don't care for these discussions you can leave. Something tells me they make you uncomfortable.

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Anonymous wrote:If you care about making change, you need to do something serious like write a coherent document with data-backed arguments, not argue on an anonymous message board.

+1. I’d also add why anyone outside of the DCC should care at all about this and whether this is a DCC wide issue or just a few privileged families looking to hold onto what they had. Otherwise, yawn, I don’t see it getting much traction.

[Anonymous]

The main issue as I see it was the conflating of the boundary study and the program analysis. DCC folks may not think of boundaries as much since the boundaries are blurred within the DCC. For families that are not in the DCC, the boundaries are more top of mind (I'm in the BCC cluster and none of messages on our middle school and elementary school listservs have been about the program analysis; all of the energy is on boundaries). And my neighbor with a kid at BCC said BCC parents are pretty quiet about this, probably because it doesn't affect their kids unless they also have younger kids. So different clusters are basically fighting different battles that were melded together due to MCPS incompetence and Taylor rushing the program analysis.

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Anonymous wrote:The main issue as I see it was the conflating of the boundary study and the program analysis. DCC folks may not think of boundaries as much since the boundaries are blurred within the DCC. For families that are not in the DCC, the boundaries are more top of mind (I'm in the BCC cluster and none of messages on our middle school and elementary school listservs have been about the program analysis; all of the energy is on boundaries). And my neighbor with a kid at BCC said BCC parents are pretty quiet about this, probably because it doesn't affect their kids unless they also have younger kids. So different clusters are basically fighting different battles that were melded together due to MCPS incompetence and Taylor rushing the program analysis.

Well yeah the initial options trolled the BCC and WJ families so of course they responded in force. And now MCPS is like "look! we responded to the feedback that we trolled for!" SMH

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Anonymous wrote:The main issue as I see it was the conflating of the boundary study and the program analysis. DCC folks may not think of boundaries as much since the boundaries are blurred within the DCC. For families that are not in the DCC, the boundaries are more top of mind (I'm in the BCC cluster and none of messages on our middle school and elementary school listservs have been about the program analysis; all of the energy is on boundaries). And my neighbor with a kid at BCC said BCC parents are pretty quiet about this, probably because it doesn't affect their kids unless they also have younger kids. So different clusters are basically fighting different battles that were melded together due to MCPS incompetence and Taylor rushing the program analysis.

Thank you for explaining this to others who seem very enclosed in their own bubble.

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Anonymous wrote:If you care about making change, you need to do something serious like write a coherent document with data-backed arguments, not argue on an anonymous message board.

Yes this. Or attempting to get others (even those on DCUM) to comment favorably for the DCC option of choice in the feedback forms. You can try to make allies but that’s apparently not your jam.

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Anonymous wrote:If I were to equate some of the posters on here with Whitman/WJ/BCC parents then I'd say you are all trash but I know these bad apples don't represent all of you.

I'd say the same about the DCC posters, frankly. This thread is pretty gross.

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Anonymous wrote:If you care about making change, you need to do something serious like write a coherent document with data-backed arguments, not argue on an anonymous message board.

Yes this. Or attempting to get others (even those on DCUM) to comment favorably for the DCC option of choice in the feedback forms. You can try to make allies but that’s apparently not your jam.

And why should I as a non-DCC parent care about this? How does it affect me? Is it going to cost more and impact my property taxes? Is it going to lead to more congestion? Is it going to impact the boundaries of my cluster? And by retaining it, who is this helping? A few privileged strivers or the broader DCC? Or not and just whine about persistent inequality between clusters.

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Anonymous wrote:If I were to equate some of the posters on here with Whitman/WJ/BCC parents then I'd say you are all trash but I know these bad apples don't represent all of you.

I'd say the same about the DCC posters, frankly. This thread is pretty gross.

Maybe you should stop reading it then.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you care about making change, you need to do something serious like write a coherent document with data-backed arguments, not argue on an anonymous message board.

Yes this. Or attempting to get others (even those on DCUM) to comment favorably for the DCC option of choice in the feedback forms. You can try to make allies but that’s apparently not your jam.

And why should I as a non-DCC parent care about this? How does it affect me? Is it going to cost more and impact my property taxes? Is it going to lead to more congestion? Is it going to impact the boundaries of my cluster? And by retaining it, who is this helping? A few privileged strivers or the broader DCC? Or not and just whine about persistent inequality between clusters.

Why should I take time to explain to you what has been explained ad nauseum on this thread? You don't need to read this thread or post here if you don't care.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Many assumptions here about WJ and BCC. Maybe if you looked closely, you would see they are highly diverse schools with many ESL and FARMS kids, as well as kids with special needs.

Why create an us (DCC) vs them (Ws) mindset?

C'mon, anyone can look at the stats and see you're lying. They are both almost half-white, 10% or less EML, and 25% or less FARMS. All way off from MCPS district-wide averages.

Or is that really what passes for diversity in your part of the county?

No, it just fits the demographics of that area. People self select and move to the “best” area that they can rent or afford. That’s a tale as old as time.

No, some of us choose other areas that you would not for a variety of reasons. Our kids deserve equal. We pay the same taxes.

Ok sure you did, you didn't want those grapes anyway the were sour.
Yah
One always knows a person is full of it when their insecurities are on full display when they project they could have had something nicer but "decided" against it. Yah I was looking at the Bentleys but I just kept thinking about how this Kia fit my style. If a person really has their ideal fit they don't have to defend it.

Is this the best you can do? Throw insults?