Gender Ratios are so lop-sided? What is going on?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sure I’ll get slammed for this, but as a society we’ve abandoned our boys. They don’t have role models to look up to. We disparage men in general and white men in particular. We cater to those who claim victimhood.

Maybe give some thought to the qualities that your culture lauds as being exemplary, or successful. I’m thinking people like Elon Musk, Charlie Kirk, Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg, Jeff Bezos, DOGE. How many of these wealthy, influential white men finished college? How many of them proudly discuss their college experiences as being foundational in their success? So, I wouldn’t slam you for your viewpoint, although I do encourage you to take a deeper look at who you are openly valuing as role models. What many of you actually value is DOGE: Very young white men — with limited education, lots of power, and extravagantly generous paychecks.

Lol: You do get that you’re claiming “ victimhood” for “white men in particular “ — right? Tell the truth, do you REALLY wish that your “boys” had the opportunities that get offered to people who are not white males? You wish that your kid was a target for ICE?

The only person on that list that I might even consider a worthy role model for a young man would have been Charlie Kirk, primarily for his way of speaking with people who disagreed with him. Do you consider the rest of them people our boys should admire or emulate? That to me is a sign of a sick culture.

Can you provide some examples of this? I have never seen him speak with those who disagreed with him in any way that I would find admirable.

This is a really sad video. “I think you exhibit sinful behavior and you shouldn’t tell people who you are, but WELCOME! Just don’t bring up being gay (Kirk brings up being Christian constantly) and we’ll get along.

Why are you lying? Did you think no one would call you out? He in NO WAY said any of the bolded. He said he didn’t think *anyone* should lead with what sexuality they are - it’s irrelevant and he pointed out that the young man was a complete person, which he is. Then he said from a Christian perspective, he doesn’t agree with a gay lifestyle, but that in NO way should what we do in the bedroom be a relevant talking point. And then he welcomed him to the conservative movement.

Honestly, why are liberals such liars?

“ Did you think no one would call you out? “
No where did I make it sound like I’m Afraid to or won’t engage with you. Call me out all you wish, that’s the point of the forum format.

As a conservative Christian, Charlie Kirk believes homosexuality is a sin. You gonna argue with me now that Kirk was a United Church of Christ member and doesn’t care at all about people being queer? The young man is asking, because many conservatives have much more extreme beliefs about gay people, and it’d be nice to hear something beyond “don’t talk about your sexuality.”

“ Honestly, why are liberals such liars?”
Why are conservatives so obsessed with the idea that they are the only ones with access to the truth?

You actually put in quotes something that he NEVER said - or even implied. He also never said “don’t talk about your sexuality”. He said there is no need to lead with that, always introducing yourself as “gay”. And he’s right . Do straight people lead with announcing their sexuality? No.

It’s laughable that you claim you have access to the truth when you can’t even correctly quote people. No wonder no one takes you seriously.

I was hoping you wouldn't be so literal and would be able to take that I was lampooning a bit, but now I see I need to get the old Chicago style guide out.
He also never said “don’t talk about your sexuality”. He said there is no need to lead with that, always introducing yourself as “gay”. And he’s right . Do straight people lead with announcing their sexuality? No. This misses a fundamental point that many people just are gay, and it is clear they're gay, and it will make a religious conservative uncomfortable if you are so. I know queer people who have been harassed by these people, because they're conservative and find queer people disgusting-it's not their fault that they have a certain religion, but it is not enough to just go BE QUIET. I don't think Kirk actually gave advice. Acknowledging humanity isn't exactly bold; it's just a copout to not address the elephant in the room.

It’s laughable that you claim you have access to the truth when you can’t even correctly quote people.

I didn't. You seem obsessed with being 100% right all the time though.

No wonder no one takes you seriously.

You don't know who I am, random internet guy.

With every post, you’re making yourself look more and more foolish. The PP is right. You put words in Kirk’s mouth that he never said or even implied. Get over yourself.
DP

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Anonymous wrote:My DD has gone on several tours where the gender ratio is almost 2/3 female to male (BU was a recent one that our tour guide said was close to that). What is going on? Why aren't colleges at least trying to balance things a bit? My daughter feels like it will be a weird atmosphere for her when it's so female-heavy. She doesn't just want to go to school with guys who got in through recruited sports. She wants to go to college with smart, goal-oriented men.

Is your dd going for her mrs or wants a degree?

eh?

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Anonymous wrote:so sick of how political DCUM has become. This is to discuss college admissions, not your weird conservative cultural gripes.

Because liberals certainly don’t have their share of weird cultural gripes.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sure I’ll get slammed for this, but as a society we’ve abandoned our boys. They don’t have role models to look up to. We disparage men in general and white men in particular. We cater to those who claim victimhood.

Maybe give some thought to the qualities that your culture lauds as being exemplary, or successful. I’m thinking people like Elon Musk, Charlie Kirk, Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg, Jeff Bezos, DOGE. How many of these wealthy, influential white men finished college? How many of them proudly discuss their college experiences as being foundational in their success? So, I wouldn’t slam you for your viewpoint, although I do encourage you to take a deeper look at who you are openly valuing as role models. What many of you actually value is DOGE: Very young white men — with limited education, lots of power, and extravagantly generous paychecks.

Lol: You do get that you’re claiming “ victimhood” for “white men in particular “ — right? Tell the truth, do you REALLY wish that your “boys” had the opportunities that get offered to people who are not white males? You wish that your kid was a target for ICE?

The only person on that list that I might even consider a worthy role model for a young man would have been Charlie Kirk, primarily for his way of speaking with people who disagreed with him. Do you consider the rest of them people our boys should admire or emulate? That to me is a sign of a sick culture.

Can you provide some examples of this? I have never seen him speak with those who disagreed with him in any way that I would find admirable.

This is a really sad video. “I think you exhibit sinful behavior and you shouldn’t tell people who you are, but WELCOME! Just don’t bring up being gay (Kirk brings up being Christian constantly) and we’ll get along.

That’s not what he said. He said to not lead with your sexuality. Who you sleep with should be the least interesting thing about you.

Charlie Kirk believed that man should not have a right to marry a man. His coy little "let's all be friends; all you need to do is to ignore your concerns" condescension doesn't fool anyone with atrast half a brain who isn't on his bully side.

+1. I don't know why people think he made some saintly point.
It's the same BS racists used to do when they just shout down people to not see race and ignore it. "We're all human" means crap when you don't hold accountable those who treat others like they're subhuman.

Oh, brother. If we say “we don’t see race,” that isn’t good enough. If we acknowledge someone’s race, then we’re “racist”. You are just looking for something to be offended by.

Face it, the time has come for hypersensitive race relations to take a seat. I’m all for “I don’t see race” in that it shouldn’t affect admissions or hiring practices. Sorry if that offends you, but enough is enough.

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Anonymous wrote:As a South Asian origin cis-gender American citizen, my DD and my DS are finding plenty of spouse material dates in college.

Karens and Chads are not finding each other in college? Go to a Greek heavy college then.

Wow. You sound charming.

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Of the male students at BU or wherever your daughter is interested, is there a higher percentage of athletes who are male vs female compared to the student population at large?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sure I’ll get slammed for this, but as a society we’ve abandoned our boys. They don’t have role models to look up to. We disparage men in general and white men in particular. We cater to those who claim victimhood.

There are plenty of great men to look up to... Pete Buttigieg is an exemplary man. He is honest, smart and successful.

Yes there are fewer men in power who are good role models. But that is because they are greedy, show no empathy and are liars. They did it to themselves, they chose to not have honor and integrity. perhaps boy need to look at some women for great role models...Dolly Parton and Mackenzie Scott

You can’t come up with one straight man for a boy to look up too? You don’t think this might be a problem?

There’s more to Pete Buttigieg than him being gay. Concerning that that’s your first “concern”

I have a great deal of affection for gay men, but my daughter doesn’t want to marry one.

I will consider the job done when one's highest aspiration for one's daughter isn't that she get married. Not married to a successful man, not married AT ALL. Nice if it happens, of course. But not a life goal.

I love my job, but my deepest sense of joy comes from my children and my husband and the family we have created. I want the same thing for my son and my daughter.

My purpose in life is not to create wealth for my employer. My highest aspiration for my children is not for them to exist to create wealth for their employers. I like what I do, and I hope they find work that they enjoy as well, but it is not where I find meaning in life.

And to get back on topic, I think we as a society have lost the framework to show our boys how to find their purpose and find meaning in their lives. We’ve abandoned them to games and porn and the mindless pursuit of nothingness.

I'm the poster you're responding to and I completely agree that finding purpose should be the goal we have for our children. (I definitely did not say anything about my purpose being my job!) It's when we present "marriage and children" as the be-all end-all of purpose that I despair. I saw my mother-- who should have been a researcher lording over a laboratory-- trying to cram herself into the wife-and-mother box, and I have this profound loathing of prescribed gender roles, because not only was she miserable, she made us miserable too.

Have you read The Geography of Bliss? It's an entertaining read, but also, there are some through-lines that show what makes a genuinely happy society. gender defined roles ain't it.

Many women are happiest in traditionally “female” roles, whether that means teachers and nurses, etc. or SAHMs. Your mom wasn’t - but that doesn’t mean her unhappiness applies to every woman.

Women should absolutely be encouraged to do what they love - regardless of what that looks like to anyone else. I thought we were beyond this.
DP

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sure I’ll get slammed for this, but as a society we’ve abandoned our boys. They don’t have role models to look up to. We disparage men in general and white men in particular. We cater to those who claim victimhood.

Maybe give some thought to the qualities that your culture lauds as being exemplary, or successful. I’m thinking people like Elon Musk, Charlie Kirk, Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg, Jeff Bezos, DOGE. How many of these wealthy, influential white men finished college? How many of them proudly discuss their college experiences as being foundational in their success? So, I wouldn’t slam you for your viewpoint, although I do encourage you to take a deeper look at who you are openly valuing as role models. What many of you actually value is DOGE: Very young white men — with limited education, lots of power, and extravagantly generous paychecks.

Lol: You do get that you’re claiming “ victimhood” for “white men in particular “ — right? Tell the truth, do you REALLY wish that your “boys” had the opportunities that get offered to people who are not white males? You wish that your kid was a target for ICE?

The only person on that list that I might even consider a worthy role model for a young man would have been Charlie Kirk, primarily for his way of speaking with people who disagreed with him. Do you consider the rest of them people our boys should admire or emulate? That to me is a sign of a sick culture.

Do I? No. But I know many young men who do — and who have been encouraged to value wealth and what they view as “power” over the other advantages that can also come with the process of getting a solid college education.

As for Kirk, he was a drop out who, as an adult, sought to “debate” high school and college students. Of the men listed I’d put Bill Gates at the top of the list.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sure I’ll get slammed for this, but as a society we’ve abandoned our boys. They don’t have role models to look up to. We disparage men in general and white men in particular. We cater to those who claim victimhood.

Maybe give some thought to the qualities that your culture lauds as being exemplary, or successful. I’m thinking people like Elon Musk, Charlie Kirk, Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg, Jeff Bezos, DOGE. How many of these wealthy, influential white men finished college? How many of them proudly discuss their college experiences as being foundational in their success? So, I wouldn’t slam you for your viewpoint, although I do encourage you to take a deeper look at who you are openly valuing as role models. What many of you actually value is DOGE: Very young white men — with limited education, lots of power, and extravagantly generous paychecks.

Lol: You do get that you’re claiming “ victimhood” for “white men in particular “ — right? Tell the truth, do you REALLY wish that your “boys” had the opportunities that get offered to people who are not white males? You wish that your kid was a target for ICE?

The only person on that list that I might even consider a worthy role model for a young man would have been Charlie Kirk, primarily for his way of speaking with people who disagreed with him. Do you consider the rest of them people our boys should admire or emulate? That to me is a sign of a sick culture.

Do I? No. But I know many young men who do — and who have been encouraged to value wealth and what they view as “power” over the other advantages that can also come with the process of getting a solid college education.

As for Kirk, he was a drop out who, as an adult, sought to “debate” high school and college students. Of the men listed I’d put Bill Gates at the top of the list.

Epstein Island guy? Great role model.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes! Pete Buttigieg is a great role model for young men

Educated, thinks before he speaks, shows empathy, has career success, found a life partner, appears to be a great father, veteran, man of faith and humble

Wow

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Barack Obama of course
Maxwell Frost
Many male doctors, writers, scientists, teachers, musicians, journalists, lawyers, artists out there who would be great role models

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Anonymous wrote:STOP taking about Charlie Kirk!!! No one cares and it's unrelated to this thread. Just get out and take your discussion with you.

many boys looked up to him.

Gross. Their parents have failed them.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sure I’ll get slammed for this, but as a society we’ve abandoned our boys. They don’t have role models to look up to. We disparage men in general and white men in particular. We cater to those who claim victimhood.

I agree that we've been taking young men for granted lately and focusing on young women and girls simply because of our country (and the world)'s history of discrimination and sometimes misogyny. Older generations of men (boomers, Gen X, older millenials) are fine but younger gen (Gen Z) men have been ignored to all of our detriment. It impacts all of society how all of society does. And the ignored will get attention from whatever or whoever is giving it.

I would counter that there are still many American male role models if people are looking for them:
Barack Obama, James Tallerico of TX, Wes Moore, John Stewart, LeBron James, Lin Manuel Miranda, Pete Buttigieg, Josh Shapiro, Kendrick Lamar, ...

…. Charlie Kirk

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Anonymous wrote:My DD has gone on several tours where the gender ratio is almost 2/3 female to male (BU was a recent one that our tour guide said was close to that). What is going on? Why aren't colleges at least trying to balance things a bit? My daughter feels like it will be a weird atmosphere for her when it's so female-heavy. She doesn't just want to go to school with guys who got in through recruited sports. She wants to go to college with smart, goal-oriented men.

Sounds like you should push to bring back DEI...

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Anonymous wrote:Old news- American, GWU, Emory, Tulane, William and Mary- all known for lopsided gender ratios.

Emory is kind of lopsided by design. If you have a decent sized nursing program and basically no engineering...then it's nearly impossible to have a 50/50 ratio. Even then, it's like 60/40.

Tulane I see is 65/35. Not sure why that school is so imbalanced, though it also isn't well known for heavily male engineering and other STEM programs.

UVA is 57/43. Not that far off from Emory.

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Anonymous wrote:Old news- American, GWU, Emory, Tulane, William and Mary- all known for lopsided gender ratios.

Emory is kind of lopsided by design. If you have a decent sized nursing program and basically no engineering...then it's nearly impossible to have a 50/50 ratio. Even then, it's like 60/40.

Tulane I see is 65/35. Not sure why that school is so imbalanced, though it also isn't well known for heavily male engineering and other STEM programs.

UVA is 57/43. Not that far off from Emory.

UVA also isn’t known for engineering. Does it have nursing as well?