Is the IB diploma worth it?

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Anonymous wrote:For all the talk about how AOs are impressed by IBDP and the very challenging work, most admission results from IB schools are underwhelming, in particular for IB only schools. Some kids from IB magnet do fine, but even there, kids with 4.0 UW GPA, Multivariable, and an assortment of IB and AP classes, end up at UMD in the end. Maybe they weren’t stellar to begin with, but it just feels they would have done better in other settings.

Their mom comes back to report they were “well prepared for college” and “college was easy by comparison”. It’s UMD, and most kids of that caliber end up at more competitive colleges to begin with, where they’re challenged.

This. The worst is when promising kids sacrifice their interest for the IB diploma and for a high gpa. Like when a kid enters high school in Algebra 2, works hard to do AP Calculus BC, AP Physics C, AP Computer Computer Science, before the IBDP years, then taps out and takes the easy way out with IB HL Math, IB HL Physics and IB Computer Science. Because they want to keep their goa ant 4.0 are led to believe the IB Diploma is worth something as a stamp of being well rounded, and a seal for “critical thinking, analysis and writing” total bs.

Of course despite the 4.0, and the many doubled up advanced classes (AP and IB) they won’t do better than UMD, because the upper tier colleges want to see the student challenged themselves in high school, and didn’t just grade grub easy As.

If you sacrifice your interest and passion for the IBDP, then no, the diploma is not worth it.

You think IB HL Math and IB HL Physics are easy? You are hilariously ignorant. Opinion disregarded.

As for "sacrifice your interest and passion" what are you babbling about? lmao. Most of the IB classes are in core subjects (English, math, science, language) that you have to take anyway, you're not sacrificing anything to do that.

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Anonymous wrote:For all the talk about how AOs are impressed by IBDP and the very challenging work, most admission results from IB schools are underwhelming, in particular for IB only schools. Some kids from IB magnet do fine, but even there, kids with 4.0 UW GPA, Multivariable, and an assortment of IB and AP classes, end up at UMD in the end. Maybe they weren’t stellar to begin with, but it just feels they would have done better in other settings.

Their mom comes back to report they were “well prepared for college” and “college was easy by comparison”. It’s UMD, and most kids of that caliber end up at more competitive colleges to begin with, where they’re challenged.

This. The worst is when promising kids sacrifice their interest for the IB diploma and for a high gpa. Like when a kid enters high school in Algebra 2, works hard to do AP Calculus BC, AP Physics C, AP Computer Computer Science, before the IBDP years, then taps out and takes the easy way out with IB HL Math, IB HL Physics and IB Computer Science. Because they want to keep their goa ant 4.0 are led to believe the IB Diploma is worth something as a stamp of being well rounded, and a seal for “critical thinking, analysis and writing” total bs.

Of course despite the 4.0, and the many doubled up advanced classes (AP and IB) they won’t do better than UMD, because the upper tier colleges want to see the student challenged themselves in high school, and didn’t just grade grub easy As.

If you sacrifice your interest and passion for the IBDP, then no, the diploma is not worth it.

You think IB HL Math and IB HL Physics are easy? You are hilariously ignorant. Opinion disregarded.

As for "sacrifice your interest and passion" what are you babbling about? lmao. Most of the IB classes are in core subjects (English, math, science, language) that you have to take anyway, you're not sacrificing anything to do that.

IB Math and Physics are similar to introductory first year classes albeit taught at slow pace of one semester per year if even that. Math doesn’t even cover the entire Calculus 1&2 and Physics is Algebra based. Go figure! They are not that hard, literally over one million take them each year. But when your degree is in French medieval literature, then it makes total sense why you believe they’re hard.

Also taking AP Physics first, then IB Physics HL is grade grubbing. Or doing the same trick with computer science. It’s the same material, it shouldn’t even be allowed since they are duplicate courses. But, yeah, that’s what “exceptional” students do.

Someone that has no interest in foreign language or silly subjects like TOK, CAS, but still takes them to get the diploma, is sacrificing their interest for a worthless piece of paper that nobody cares about.

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Anonymous wrote:For all the talk about how AOs are impressed by IBDP and the very challenging work, most admission results from IB schools are underwhelming, in particular for IB only schools. Some kids from IB magnet do fine, but even there, kids with 4.0 UW GPA, Multivariable, and an assortment of IB and AP classes, end up at UMD in the end. Maybe they weren’t stellar to begin with, but it just feels they would have done better in other settings.

Their mom comes back to report they were “well prepared for college” and “college was easy by comparison”. It’s UMD, and most kids of that caliber end up at more competitive colleges to begin with, where they’re challenged.

Many exceptional Maryland kids attend UMD for exactly the same reason many exceptional Virginia kids attend UVA: the state flagship has huge bang for the buck. They got into "more competitive" colleges that cost 2-3x as much as the state flagship and decided that wasn't worth it. Not every kid has a family that is willing or able to pay $90k+ a year for college.

You will note that 80% of the kids at UMD who submitted scores had SATs of 1400-1600 and it's very clear those kids could have gone "somewhere better".

Sneering at IB kids who go to UMD is simply ignorant.

They are good kids, but not exceptional, which means that are an exception in their cohort, like one or maybe two kids in their cohort. You don’t go to UMD, a top 50-100 school, and be exceptional at the same time. An SAT score of 1400 in the test optional era, is not that impressive.

Look, UMD only lists the SAT scores by 1400-1600, but anyone with a grain of common sense (ie not you) will realize that if 80% of the kids are in that group, then there are a LOT of kids who are well over 1500, which is exceptional. And yes, exceptional kids do indeed go to UMD and UVA. Your snobbery is idiotic.

Listen, UMD is respectable, with decent engineering programs, but don’t argue it’s on par with top schools just because your kid goes there, and you dug up narrowly curated statistics to prove your point. It’s a third or fourth tier school and that’s totally fine, it’s what you do with the opportunity you have.

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Anonymous wrote:Parent of kids whose school offers both IB and many APs. They only school I've heard it matters for is UVA. It's very difficult to get in from our school if you are not full IB. The only ones I know of were wait listed first. On the other had I know kids at Ivies and top LACs (e.g., Williams) who did not do the full IB diploma.

What about William & Mary?

I'm the previous poster and no, plenty of kids from our HS (WL) go to William & Mary without the IB Diploma. It's really just UVA that it's hard to get into without IB.

Is there any shred of evidence for this? The diploma results come much later than acceptance notifications.

I doubt UVa cares about the IB diploma. By the time the IB diploma is final, UVA has already sent most of its acceptance letters. UVa fills most if its openings with ED/EA not with RD. UVa is pretty transparent with the # of students accepted at each stage of the admissions process.

They perhaps don't care if you get the diploma but they are extremely likely to know if you're IBDP. As others have said, UVA is going to be able to tell from your transcript, because they have vast experience with IB kids and they know what TOK means. Also, FCPS students at IB schools provide "student input" to their counselor who writes the recommendation letter. One of the questions on the input form is "If you are an IB Diploma candidate what is your EE about (include title if you have one)?" The counselor will probably mention it, as will the teacher who writes a separate recommendation letter if it's an IB teacher. Finally, kids can bring it to UVA's attention themselves when they submit a "student resume" that says IBDP candidate on it.

Being aware the student is an IBDP candidate and giving it a weight in admissions are two very different things. Please find me at link at UVA that indicates it.

You know full well this is an extremely stupid and dishonest request, because nobody knows how any school truly "gives weight" to anything an applicant does. It's all rumor, and that's why you have students chasing things like "starting a nonprofit". The last thing you're going to find is the school posting its magic admissions formula online.

UVA has said that they give weight to the rigor of curriculum, as many schools do. At an IB school, the IBDP is the most rigorous curriculum. It's not an accident that so many of the kids at IB schools who are admitted to UVA are IBDP kids.

Read a few posts up, someone said the counselor will check most rigorous even on an assortment of IB classes not only the diploma candidates.

UVA does not just say "oh the counselor checked the Most Rigorous box, that's all we need". They look at exactly what classes the student took, and take into account which types of IB classes were taken and which ones were HL or SL. If you took the hardest classes and took them HL, they will notice this and you will be considered to have had a more rigorous education than if you took easy classes, as indeed you should. Similarly they are going to notice if you did the diploma vs merely an assortment.

This is silly. You’re claiming the AOs will guesstimate if the student will do the diploma since the applications are read earlier in the year. And on top of it they will give more weight to academic rigor compared to the students that maybe loaded up on HL classes better aligned with their intended major, despite the high school counselor putting them in the same most rigorous category! You’re just inventing stuff up to make yourself feel better about the path your kid took.

You're just an idiot if you think UVA is guessing. The student will tell them, the school counselor will tell them, and perhaps the teacher recommendation will tell them that the kid is IB diploma. Also they have vast experience with IB kids and they know what an IB diploma curriculum looks like. And Deanj on the UVA admissions blog states many times that they don't like to see kids "specializing" in courses they are excited about or that align with their supposed college major, so no, they will not give "more weight" to those courses. They want to see strong performance in the core classes and they will notice if you took the most challenging HL courses even if they don't "align" with your major.

You’re coping hard.

This is what UVA states on their admission site

Does UVA prefer AP, IB, Cambridge or dual enrolled curricula?
We do not have a preference for one type of course. We suggest that students take advantage of advanced course options at their high school, regardless of the type of curriculum available.

Nothing about needing to take the diploma, or what courses you need to take. Some parents read these statements with an eye at getting confirmation their kid will have an advantage.

I'm sorry you're too stupid to understand that "take advantage of advanced course options at their high school" means, in practice, doing the IB diploma at an IB school and taking the most difficult IB courses.

Unbelievable the level of delusion some parents have! So let’s not take what UVA said at face value, there’s a caveat about what it means “in practice”, because you want to translate for the rest of us what UVA really wants, because it’s also “well known”. Taking advantage of advances course options for sure means you’ve got to sign up for Theory of Knowledge.

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It is if your goal is a top quality, well rounded education.

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Anonymous wrote:For all the talk about how AOs are impressed by IBDP and the very challenging work, most admission results from IB schools are underwhelming, in particular for IB only schools. Some kids from IB magnet do fine, but even there, kids with 4.0 UW GPA, Multivariable, and an assortment of IB and AP classes, end up at UMD in the end. Maybe they weren’t stellar to begin with, but it just feels they would have done better in other settings.

Their mom comes back to report they were “well prepared for college” and “college was easy by comparison”. It’s UMD, and most kids of that caliber end up at more competitive colleges to begin with, where they’re challenged.

This. The worst is when promising kids sacrifice their interest for the IB diploma and for a high gpa. Like when a kid enters high school in Algebra 2, works hard to do AP Calculus BC, AP Physics C, AP Computer Computer Science, before the IBDP years, then taps out and takes the easy way out with IB HL Math, IB HL Physics and IB Computer Science. Because they want to keep their goa ant 4.0 are led to believe the IB Diploma is worth something as a stamp of being well rounded, and a seal for “critical thinking, analysis and writing” total bs.

Of course despite the 4.0, and the many doubled up advanced classes (AP and IB) they won’t do better than UMD, because the upper tier colleges want to see the student challenged themselves in high school, and didn’t just grade grub easy As.

If you sacrifice your interest and passion for the IBDP, then no, the diploma is not worth it.

You think IB HL Math and IB HL Physics are easy? You are hilariously ignorant. Opinion disregarded.

As for "sacrifice your interest and passion" what are you babbling about? lmao. Most of the IB classes are in core subjects (English, math, science, language) that you have to take anyway, you're not sacrificing anything to do that.

IB Math and Physics are similar to introductory first year classes albeit taught at slow pace of one semester per year if even that. Math doesn’t even cover the entire Calculus 1&2 and Physics is Algebra based. Go figure! They are not that hard, literally over one million take them each year. But when your degree is in French medieval literature, then it makes total sense why you believe they’re hard.

Also taking AP Physics first, then IB Physics HL is grade grubbing. Or doing the same trick with computer science. It’s the same material, it shouldn’t even be allowed since they are duplicate courses. But, yeah, that’s what “exceptional” students do.

Someone that has no interest in foreign language or silly subjects like TOK, CAS, but still takes them to get the diploma, is sacrificing their interest for a worthless piece of paper that nobody cares about.

Would you please stop already? You are tiresome.

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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Parent of kids whose school offers both IB and many APs. They only school I've heard it matters for is UVA. It's very difficult to get in from our school if you are not full IB. The only ones I know of were wait listed first. On the other had I know kids at Ivies and top LACs (e.g., Williams) who did not do the full IB diploma.[/quote]
What about William & Mary?[/quote]

I'm the previous poster and no, plenty of kids from our HS (WL) go to William & Mary without the IB Diploma. It's really just UVA that it's hard to get into without IB.[/quote]

Is there any shred of evidence for this? The diploma results come much later than acceptance notifications. [/quote]

I doubt UVa cares about the IB diploma. By the time the IB diploma is final, UVA has already sent most of its acceptance letters. UVa fills most if its openings with ED/EA not with RD. UVa is pretty transparent with the # of students accepted at each stage of the admissions process. [/quote]

They perhaps don't care if you get the diploma but they are extremely likely to know if you're IBDP. As others have said, UVA is going to be able to tell from your transcript, because they have vast experience with IB kids and they know what TOK means. Also, FCPS students at IB schools provide "student input" to their counselor who writes the recommendation letter. One of the questions on the input form is "If you are an IB Diploma candidate what is your EE about (include title if you have one)?" The counselor will probably mention it, as will the teacher who writes a separate recommendation letter if it's an IB teacher. Finally, kids can bring it to UVA's attention themselves when they submit a "student resume" that says IBDP candidate on it.[/quote]

Being aware the student is an IBDP candidate and giving it a weight in admissions are two very different things. Please find me at link at UVA that indicates it.[/quote]

You know full well this is an extremely stupid and dishonest request, because nobody knows how [i]any [/i]school truly "gives weight" to anything an applicant does. It's all rumor, and that's why you have students chasing things like "starting a nonprofit". The last thing you're going to find is the school posting its magic admissions formula online.

UVA has said that they give weight to the rigor of curriculum, as many schools do. At an IB school, the IBDP is the most rigorous curriculum. It's not an accident that so many of the kids at IB schools who are admitted to UVA are IBDP kids.[/quote]

Read a few posts up, someone said the counselor will check most rigorous even on an assortment of IB classes not only the diploma candidates.[/quote]

UVA does not just say "oh the counselor checked the Most Rigorous box, that's all we need". They look at exactly what classes the student took, and take into account which types of IB classes were taken and which ones were HL or SL. If you took the hardest classes and took them HL, they will notice this and you will be considered to have had a more rigorous education than if you took easy classes, as indeed you should. Similarly they are going to notice if you did the diploma vs merely an assortment.[/quote]

This is silly. You’re claiming the AOs will [b]guesstimate[/b] if the student will do the diploma since the applications are read earlier in the year. And on top of it they will give more weight to academic rigor compared to the students that maybe loaded up on HL classes better aligned with their intended major, despite the high school counselor putting them in the same most rigorous category! You’re just inventing stuff up to make yourself feel better about the path your kid took.
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You're just an idiot if you think UVA is guessing. The student will tell them, the school counselor will tell them, and perhaps the teacher recommendation will tell them that the kid is IB diploma. Also they have vast experience with IB kids and they know what an IB diploma curriculum looks like. And Deanj on the UVA admissions blog states many times that they don't like to see kids "specializing" in courses they are excited about or that align with their supposed college major, so no, they will not give "more weight" to those courses. They want to see strong performance in the core classes and they will notice if you took the most challenging HL courses even if they don't "align" with your major.[/quote]

Is there a link to those blogs, I couldn’t find any.

UVA early action starts in February, and the diploma results are released in July. How would IBDP scores be taken into account then?

I’ve never heard of admissions offers conditional on IB diploma results, so I don’t think they actually matter.

Or maybe you’re saying a diploma candidate is favored for admissions. Either way I think it’s a stretch.

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Anonymous wrote:Parent of kids whose school offers both IB and many APs. They only school I've heard it matters for is UVA. It's very difficult to get in from our school if you are not full IB. The only ones I know of were wait listed first. On the other had I know kids at Ivies and top LACs (e.g., Williams) who did not do the full IB diploma.

What about William & Mary?

I'm the previous poster and no, plenty of kids from our HS (WL) go to William & Mary without the IB Diploma. It's really just UVA that it's hard to get into without IB.

Is there any shred of evidence for this? The diploma results come much later than acceptance notifications.

Ok, excuse me, IB Diploma candidates. The kids doing full IB vs the others doing partial or AP. It is well known at WL that if you want to go to UVA you need to do full IB. That's the only school that weighs it so heavily. The school counselors will tell you this.

It’s not that well known if I’ve never heard of it. UVA states clearly on their website that they don’t favor IB over AP. Yet, you claim there’s this well known knowledge among high schools counselors that UVA does in fact favor full IB diploma, before students even take the diploma exams How delusional are you?

That's not the question...it's whether they favor the full IB diploma vs. just taking IB classes.

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OP here. Again, I don’t want to start an AP vs. IB debate. There plenty of those already. It seems like a mix of reviews, like what you find online. My kids are not aiming for Ivy League for what it’s worth. I’m getting that kids should go for it if they are interested in the program but that it doesn’t make a difference in admissions.

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Anonymous wrote:For all the talk about how AOs are impressed by IBDP and the very challenging work, most admission results from IB schools are underwhelming, in particular for IB only schools. Some kids from IB magnet do fine, but even there, kids with 4.0 UW GPA, Multivariable, and an assortment of IB and AP classes, end up at UMD in the end. Maybe they weren’t stellar to begin with, but it just feels they would have done better in other settings.

Their mom comes back to report they were “well prepared for college” and “college was easy by comparison”. It’s UMD, and most kids of that caliber end up at more competitive colleges to begin with, where they’re challenged.

Many exceptional Maryland kids attend UMD for exactly the same reason many exceptional Virginia kids attend UVA: the state flagship has huge bang for the buck. They got into "more competitive" colleges that cost 2-3x as much as the state flagship and decided that wasn't worth it. Not every kid has a family that is willing or able to pay $90k+ a year for college.

You will note that 80% of the kids at UMD who submitted scores had SATs of 1400-1600 and it's very clear those kids could have gone "somewhere better".

Sneering at IB kids who go to UMD is simply ignorant.

They are good kids, but not exceptional, which means that are an exception in their cohort, like one or maybe two kids in their cohort. You don’t go to UMD, a top 50-100 school, and be exceptional at the same time. An SAT score of 1400 in the test optional era, is not that impressive.

Look, UMD only lists the SAT scores by 1400-1600, but anyone with a grain of common sense (ie not you) will realize that if 80% of the kids are in that group, then there are a LOT of kids who are well over 1500, which is exceptional. And yes, exceptional kids do indeed go to UMD and UVA. Your snobbery is idiotic.

Listen, UMD is respectable, with decent engineering programs, but don’t argue it’s on par with top schools just because your kid goes there, and you dug up narrowly curated statistics to prove your point. It’s a third or fourth tier school and that’s totally fine, it’s what you do with the opportunity you have.

Do you sound this condescending in real life as well? Because no Ivy League education could make up for your personality.

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Anonymous wrote:Parent of kids whose school offers both IB and many APs. They only school I've heard it matters for is UVA. It's very difficult to get in from our school if you are not full IB. The only ones I know of were wait listed first. On the other had I know kids at Ivies and top LACs (e.g., Williams) who did not do the full IB diploma.

What about William & Mary?

I'm the previous poster and no, plenty of kids from our HS (WL) go to William & Mary without the IB Diploma. It's really just UVA that it's hard to get into without IB.

Is there any shred of evidence for this? The diploma results come much later than acceptance notifications.

Ok, excuse me, IB Diploma candidates. The kids doing full IB vs the others doing partial or AP. It is well known at WL that if you want to go to UVA you need to do full IB. That's the only school that weighs it so heavily. The school counselors will tell you this.

It’s not that well known if I’ve never heard of it. UVA states clearly on their website that they don’t favor IB over AP. Yet, you claim there’s this well known knowledge among high schools counselors that UVA does in fact favor full IB diploma, before students even take the diploma exams How delusional are you?

That's not the question...it's whether they favor the full IB diploma vs. just taking IB classes.

The post I was replying to literally said DP is favored over partial (whatever that means) or AP.

Scour the internet all you like, there isn’t any evidence for it either way.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. Again, I don’t want to start an AP vs. IB debate. There plenty of those already. It seems like a mix of reviews, like what you find online. My kids are not aiming for Ivy League for what it’s worth. I’m getting that kids should go for it if they are interested in the program but that it doesn’t make a difference in admissions.

That sounds about right. The only good comparison is with the AP Capstone Diploma that several posters pointed to, which is very similar to the IB diploma. Everyone agrees it doesn’t matter, it’s unlikely the DP is any different.

The best piece of advice is to follow your kids interest and not worry about gaming the admissions process.

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It’s common for advanced students in math to forgo the IB diploma and take dual enrollment math classes instead. Anecdotally, it doesn’t seem to have an adverse impact.

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Anonymous wrote:For all the talk about how AOs are impressed by IBDP and the very challenging work, most admission results from IB schools are underwhelming, in particular for IB only schools. Some kids from IB magnet do fine, but even there, kids with 4.0 UW GPA, Multivariable, and an assortment of IB and AP classes, end up at UMD in the end. Maybe they weren’t stellar to begin with, but it just feels they would have done better in other settings.

Their mom comes back to report they were “well prepared for college” and “college was easy by comparison”. It’s UMD, and most kids of that caliber end up at more competitive colleges to begin with, where they’re challenged.

This. The worst is when promising kids sacrifice their interest for the IB diploma and for a high gpa. Like when a kid enters high school in Algebra 2, works hard to do AP Calculus BC, AP Physics C, AP Computer Computer Science, before the IBDP years, then taps out and takes the easy way out with IB HL Math, IB HL Physics and IB Computer Science. Because they want to keep their goa ant 4.0 are led to believe the IB Diploma is worth something as a stamp of being well rounded, and a seal for “critical thinking, analysis and writing” total bs.

Of course despite the 4.0, and the many doubled up advanced classes (AP and IB) they won’t do better than UMD, because the upper tier colleges want to see the student challenged themselves in high school, and didn’t just grade grub easy As.

If you sacrifice your interest and passion for the IBDP, then no, the diploma is not worth it.

You think IB HL Math and IB HL Physics are easy? You are hilariously ignorant. Opinion disregarded.

As for "sacrifice your interest and passion" what are you babbling about? lmao. Most of the IB classes are in core subjects (English, math, science, language) that you have to take anyway, you're not sacrificing anything to do that.

IB Math and Physics are similar to introductory first year classes albeit taught at slow pace of one semester per year if even that. Math doesn’t even cover the entire Calculus 1&2 and Physics is Algebra based. Go figure! They are not that hard, literally over one million take them each year. But when your degree is in French medieval literature, then it makes total sense why you believe they’re hard.

Also taking AP Physics first, then IB Physics HL is grade grubbing. Or doing the same trick with computer science. It’s the same material, it shouldn’t even be allowed since they are duplicate courses. But, yeah, that’s what “exceptional” students do.

Someone that has no interest in foreign language or silly subjects like TOK, CAS, but still takes them to get the diploma, is sacrificing their interest for a worthless piece of paper that nobody cares about.

Is that even possible? I’ve never heard of anyone doing this, what would be the point? They get credit for the same classes anyways. I doubt the high school counselor would even approve it.

UC Berkeley specifically say it’s duplicative work.

https://admission.universityofcalifornia.edu/admission-requirements/ap-exam-credits/#:~:text=Duplication%20with%20college%20courses,will%20award%20credit%20only%20once.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s common for advanced students in math to forgo the IB diploma and take dual enrollment math classes instead. Anecdotally, it doesn’t seem to have an adverse impact.

Agreed, my son does not find IB HL Analysis difficult compared to AP Calc BC