Mcps Rara educator KICKED AUTISTIC elementary student

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Anonymous wrote:The more I think about this, the more I think MCPS is scapegoating the para in this case.

wtf? MCPS hasn’t put out any kind of statement as far as I know about this situation.

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Anonymous wrote:The more I think about this, the more I think MCPS is scapegoating the para in this case.

wtf? MCPS hasn’t put out any kind of statement as far as I know about this situation.

And they won’t either. Unless the parents protest and start speaking out to the media.

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Anonymous wrote:The more I think about this, the more I think MCPS is scapegoating the para in this case.

wtf? MCPS hasn’t put out any kind of statement as far as I know about this situation.

Because they're trying to treat it as a criminal matter when the root cause is an unwillingness to hire and train competent paraeducators.

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Was HR informed of this when it happened and if so, was there an immediate consequence for this para or is this another example of the former HR Chief ignoring (potentially) inappropriate behavior?

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Anonymous wrote:Was HR informed of this when it happened and if so, was there an immediate consequence for this para or is this another example of the former HR Chief ignoring (potentially) inappropriate behavior?

MCPS reported it to CPS.

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Anonymous wrote:I've been a para in an autism classroom in MCPS, and I'm also the parent of a student with special needs.

Re: the actual incident in the classroom, I am assuming this happened in the Extensions program at Candlewood. If that program is at all similar to the autism program, then food rewards are a regular feature in the classroom - and if kids are being motivated with treats, they're going to be very interested in any foods brought out in the classroom, and they may not understand that food or drink in the classroom isn't for them. Not excusing the child for taking something that wasn't theirs, but it's entirely possible they didn't understand. Yes, paras sometimes go without breaks, but putting hands on or kicking a child isn't ever okay.

Re: the many PPs who are talking about private placements/kids who are in the wrong placement, there are two main issues. First, MCPS is pushing the home school model in elementary school hard, and it is harder to get a child into a program like SESES, autism, etc. Second, there are not nearly enough private placement spots to meet all of the need. Even if a family gets approved for a private placement (which is NOT easy), there is quite literally no guarantee there is a spot in a school that would be a good fit for that child's needs.

The secret to private placement to make the local principal miserable so they want to get rid of the kid. Find out what makes the principal tick, and parent and child constantly poke at it.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is wild. I am an elementary school
arts teacher who teaches everyone in the school, including kids with autism and nonverbal. I would 100% never kick a child. But I would 100% definitely have a Diet Pepsi on my desk after lunch. I think parents have an unrealistic sense of what a school looks like.

Would you put that Diet Pepsi somewhere a child might be less likely to see it though? That’s where this adult went wrong. She had her whole meal out and the kids gathered around. I have a hard time believing this para didn’t know that her food and drink wouldn’t appeal to the children.

Happy to know you wouldn’t kick a kid over it!

You’re the biggest idiot on this thread.

God help us all if you’re an educator because damn are you rude as hell. Do you talk to people like this in person, too?

I've observed that the rudest people in MCPS threads on SPED tend to be a small group of elderly posters who ultimately want to kick students with special needs out of public schools. They pretend to be supportive of SPED until they reveal their real goal is segregation.

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And honestly as a parent of a child with high support needs, I can recognize that public schools aren’t always appropriate but the district makes it impossible for us to get our kids what they need without trying every single placement and putting teachers who may not be able to deal with behaviors/needs in an impossible position. It puts our kids and others in harm’s way. I’m tired of parents being blamed. Some of us are trying hard AF to get our kids into the placement they need.

The school district would go broke if they paid for private placement for everyone who wanted it. There are so many money sinks right now. Poor kids, kids who don’t speak English, special education, magnet programs ….

I don’t disagree with you. I think the district has previously sent students off to private placements when their needs could appropriately be handled in the public school settings either because some schools are too lenient or parents are too litigious. I know several students who could benefit greatly (aka their needs are not being met in their placement) and the schools refuse to acknowledge that despite data and lawyers. This makes it tremendously difficult for those whose needs could not ever or will not ever be met in the public school setting. This burden is heavy for parents and I can’t imagine parents that can’t afford going up against the district and their lawyer fees all because the county has previously messed up and because they can’t be financially responsible to save their lives.

Private placement is expensive because those schools do special ed well. MCPS doesn't have budget to do special ed well, so something has to give: either worse for everyone, or pick winners and losers.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is wild. I am an elementary school
arts teacher who teaches everyone in the school, including kids with autism and nonverbal. I would 100% never kick a child. But I would 100% definitely have a Diet Pepsi on my desk after lunch. I think parents have an unrealistic sense of what a school looks like.

Would you put that Diet Pepsi somewhere a child might be less likely to see it though? That’s where this adult went wrong. She had her whole meal out and the kids gathered around. I have a hard time believing this para didn’t know that her food and drink wouldn’t appeal to the children.

Happy to know you wouldn’t kick a kid over it!

You’re the biggest idiot on this thread.

God help us all if you’re an educator because damn are you rude as hell. Do you talk to people like this in person, too?

I've observed that the rudest people in MCPS threads on SPED tend to be a small group of elderly posters who ultimately want to kick students with special needs out of public schools. They pretend to be supportive of SPED until they reveal their real goal is segregation.

100%

And honestly as a parent of a child with high support needs, I can recognize that public schools aren’t always appropriate but the district makes it impossible for us to get our kids what they need without trying every single placement and putting teachers who may not be able to deal with behaviors/needs in an impossible position. It puts our kids and others in harm’s way. I’m tired of parents being blamed. Some of us are trying hard AF to get our kids into the placement they need.

The school district would go broke if they paid for private placement for everyone who wanted it. There are so many money sinks right now. Poor kids, kids who don’t speak English, special education, magnet programs ….

I don’t disagree with you. I think the district has previously sent students off to private placements when their needs could appropriately be handled in the public school settings either because some schools are too lenient or parents are too litigious. I know several students who could benefit greatly (aka their needs are not being met in their placement) and the schools refuse to acknowledge that despite data and lawyers. This makes it tremendously difficult for those whose needs could not ever or will not ever be met in the public school setting. This burden is heavy for parents and I can’t imagine parents that can’t afford going up against the district and their lawyer fees all because the county has previously messed up and because they can’t be financially responsible to save their lives.

You are right about the county not being financially responsible. They should have saved more $ for a rainy day. The economic picture is bad right now in the county [/quote

"Saved more" means cutting services in the past. That's not a solution, that's wish fulfillment fantasy. Yes I also wish I didn't spend money last year but still got everything I bought.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is wild. I am an elementary school
arts teacher who teaches everyone in the school, including kids with autism and nonverbal. I would 100% never kick a child. But I would 100% definitely have a Diet Pepsi on my desk after lunch. I think parents have an unrealistic sense of what a school looks like.

Would you put that Diet Pepsi somewhere a child might be less likely to see it though? That’s where this adult went wrong. She had her whole meal out and the kids gathered around. I have a hard time believing this para didn’t know that her food and drink wouldn’t appeal to the children.

Happy to know you wouldn’t kick a kid over it!

You’re the biggest idiot on this thread.

God help us all if you’re an educator because damn are you rude as hell. Do you talk to people like this in person, too?

I've observed that the rudest people in MCPS threads on SPED tend to be a small group of elderly posters who ultimately want to kick students with special needs out of public schools. They pretend to be supportive of SPED until they reveal their real goal is segregation.

100%

And honestly as a parent of a child with high support needs, I can recognize that public schools aren’t always appropriate but the district makes it impossible for us to get our kids what they need without trying every single placement and putting teachers who may not be able to deal with behaviors/needs in an impossible position. It puts our kids and others in harm’s way. I’m tired of parents being blamed. Some of us are trying hard AF to get our kids into the placement they need.

The school district would go broke if they paid for private placement for everyone who wanted it. There are so many money sinks right now. Poor kids, kids who don’t speak English, special education, magnet programs ….

I don’t disagree with you. I think the district has previously sent students off to private placements when their needs could appropriately be handled in the public school settings either because some schools are too lenient or parents are too litigious. I know several students who could benefit greatly (aka their needs are not being met in their placement) and the schools refuse to acknowledge that despite data and lawyers. This makes it tremendously difficult for those whose needs could not ever or will not ever be met in the public school setting. This burden is heavy for parents and I can’t imagine parents that can’t afford going up against the district and their lawyer fees all because the county has previously messed up and because they can’t be financially responsible to save their lives.

You are right about the county not being financially responsible. They should have saved more $ for a rainy day. The economic picture is bad right now in the county

"Saved more" means cutting services in the past. That's not a solution, that's wish fulfillment fantasy. Yes I also wish I didn't spend money last year but still got everything I bought.

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Anyone have an update on this case?