Mcps Rara educator KICKED AUTISTIC elementary student

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is wild. I am an elementary school
arts teacher who teaches everyone in the school, including kids with autism and nonverbal. I would 100% never kick a child. But I would 100% definitely have a Diet Pepsi on my desk after lunch. I think parents have an unrealistic sense of what a school looks like.

Would you put that Diet Pepsi somewhere a child might be less likely to see it though? That’s where this adult went wrong. She had her whole meal out and the kids gathered around. I have a hard time believing this para didn’t know that her food and drink wouldn’t appeal to the children.

Happy to know you wouldn’t kick a kid over it!

You’re the biggest idiot on this thread.

God help us all if you’re an educator because damn are you rude as hell. Do you talk to people like this in person, too?

I've observed that the rudest people in MCPS threads on SPED tend to be a small group of elderly posters who ultimately want to kick students with special needs out of public schools. They pretend to be supportive of SPED until they reveal their real goal is segregation.

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And honestly as a parent of a child with high support needs, I can recognize that public schools aren’t always appropriate but the district makes it impossible for us to get our kids what they need without trying every single placement and putting teachers who may not be able to deal with behaviors/needs in an impossible position. It puts our kids and others in harm’s way. I’m tired of parents being blamed. Some of us are trying hard AF to get our kids into the placement they need.

The school district would go broke if they paid for private placement for everyone who wanted it. There are so many money sinks right now. Poor kids, kids who don’t speak English, special education, magnet programs ….

I don’t disagree with you. I think the district has previously sent students off to private placements when their needs could appropriately be handled in the public school settings either because some schools are too lenient or parents are too litigious. I know several students who could benefit greatly (aka their needs are not being met in their placement) and the schools refuse to acknowledge that despite data and lawyers. This makes it tremendously difficult for those whose needs could not ever or will not ever be met in the public school setting. This burden is heavy for parents and I can’t imagine parents that can’t afford going up against the district and their lawyer fees all because the county has previously messed up and because they can’t be financially responsible to save their lives.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is wild. I am an elementary school
arts teacher who teaches everyone in the school, including kids with autism and nonverbal. I would 100% never kick a child. But I would 100% definitely have a Diet Pepsi on my desk after lunch. I think parents have an unrealistic sense of what a school looks like.

Would you put that Diet Pepsi somewhere a child might be less likely to see it though? That’s where this adult went wrong. She had her whole meal out and the kids gathered around. I have a hard time believing this para didn’t know that her food and drink wouldn’t appeal to the children.

Happy to know you wouldn’t kick a kid over it!

You’re the biggest idiot on this thread.

God help us all if you’re an educator because damn are you rude as hell. Do you talk to people like this in person, too?

I've observed that the rudest people in MCPS threads on SPED tend to be a small group of elderly posters who ultimately want to kick students with special needs out of public schools. They pretend to be supportive of SPED until they reveal their real goal is segregation.

100%

And honestly as a parent of a child with high support needs, I can recognize that public schools aren’t always appropriate but the district makes it impossible for us to get our kids what they need without trying every single placement and putting teachers who may not be able to deal with behaviors/needs in an impossible position. It puts our kids and others in harm’s way. I’m tired of parents being blamed. Some of us are trying hard AF to get our kids into the placement they need.

The school district would go broke if they paid for private placement for everyone who wanted it. There are so many money sinks right now. Poor kids, kids who don’t speak English, special education, magnet programs ….

I don’t disagree with you. I think the district has previously sent students off to private placements when their needs could appropriately be handled in the public school settings either because some schools are too lenient or parents are too litigious. I know several students who could benefit greatly (aka their needs are not being met in their placement) and the schools refuse to acknowledge that despite data and lawyers. This makes it tremendously difficult for those whose needs could not ever or will not ever be met in the public school setting. This burden is heavy for parents and I can’t imagine parents that can’t afford going up against the district and their lawyer fees all because the county has previously messed up and because they can’t be financially responsible to save their lives.

You are right about the county not being financially responsible. They should have saved more $ for a rainy day. The economic picture is bad right now in the county

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is wild. I am an elementary school
arts teacher who teaches everyone in the school, including kids with autism and nonverbal. I would 100% never kick a child. But I would 100% definitely have a Diet Pepsi on my desk after lunch. I think parents have an unrealistic sense of what a school looks like.

As an arts teacher, you might not be seeing the most challenging situations. I know at my kids' school, paraeducators often float to students during specials. You have a very different environment than the home room.

At our elementary, all kids of all ages are dropped off at their specials — no teacher, no para. So kids with autism, developmental delays, ODD, and more. No adult stays with them other than the art/music/PE teacher. My job would be so much easier with another adult in the room.

That sounds like a disaster unless your school aggressively seeks alternative placements.

Where do the 1:1s go during that time? Surely some kids must have 1:1s in your school.

We had maybe 3 kids with 1:1s last year, and during specials paras were on their break. School is in Silver Spring. It is the only MCPS school I have worked for so I’d love to know if it’s standard practice for paras to come to specials.

That's *highly* unusual. It's quite likely you're at the only elementary school that does that. You should ask your colleagues how that came to be.

While a little under one 1:1 per grade sounds about right, nearly all elementary schools group kids with IEPs into one or two classes at each grade level. At the lower grade levels, they'll often try to assign a dedicated paraeducator to the class. Sometimes two.

Given elopement risks, these classes need some support to simply get from one room to another. So even if the class is short on paraeducators, they will either pull another paraeducator from the grade for specials, or have the special education resource teacher staff the class.

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Anonymous wrote:This threat is wild. What shocks the most is people with 2 or more kids with significant issues. Then blame the school for issues that arise during the day as staff cares for their kids. Why don’t keep doing this?

What do you expect parents with multiple kids with special needs to do?

use effective birth control after knowledge of the special needs of the first child.

Nice. Such willingness to say the quiet part out loud on a topic you obviously know nothing about.

the quiet part needs to be stated out loud. lots of complaints about lack of training by educators. parents need to be trained/counseled on genetic disorders.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This threat is wild. What shocks the most is people with 2 or more kids with significant issues. Then blame the school for issues that arise during the day as staff cares for their kids. Why don’t keep doing this?

What do you expect parents with multiple kids with special needs to do?

use effective birth control after knowledge of the special needs of the first child.

Nice. Such willingness to say the quiet part out loud on a topic you obviously know nothing about.

the quiet part needs to be stated out loud. lots of complaints about lack of training by educators. parents need to be trained/counseled on genetic disorders.

It can be both, but the latter is none of your business. Are you responsible for MCPS’ finances? Are you responsible for those children? If neither applies to you, stay in your lane.

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Anonymous wrote:This threat is wild. What shocks the most is people with 2 or more kids with significant issues. Then blame the school for issues that arise during the day as staff cares for their kids. Why don’t keep doing this?

What do you expect parents with multiple kids with special needs to do?

use effective birth control after knowledge of the special needs of the first child.

Nice. Such willingness to say the quiet part out loud on a topic you obviously know nothing about.

the quiet part needs to be stated out loud. lots of complaints about lack of training by educators. parents need to be trained/counseled on genetic disorders.

A lot of these can't be screened for through genetic tests in parents, nor are the diagnoses made until after 2-3 years old. And even with a diagnosis can be made, the extent and impact won't be known for years after that.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is wild. I am an elementary school
arts teacher who teaches everyone in the school, including kids with autism and nonverbal. I would 100% never kick a child. But I would 100% definitely have a Diet Pepsi on my desk after lunch. I think parents have an unrealistic sense of what a school looks like.

As an arts teacher, you might not be seeing the most challenging situations. I know at my kids' school, paraeducators often float to students during specials. You have a very different environment than the home room.

At our elementary, all kids of all ages are dropped off at their specials — no teacher, no para. So kids with autism, developmental delays, ODD, and more. No adult stays with them other than the art/music/PE teacher. My job would be so much easier with another adult in the room.

Wow, that’s a lot. Is it a classic autism program? I know at our school the paras travel with the kids for specials.

It’s illegal. Parents must not know or they would complain.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This threat is wild. What shocks the most is people with 2 or more kids with significant issues. Then blame the school for issues that arise during the day as staff cares for their kids. Why don’t keep doing this?

What do you expect parents with multiple kids with special needs to do?

use effective birth control after knowledge of the special needs of the first child.

Nice. Such willingness to say the quiet part out loud on a topic you obviously know nothing about.

the quiet part needs to be stated out loud. lots of complaints about lack of training by educators. parents need to be trained/counseled on genetic disorders.

Ma’am this is an MCPS thread. MCPS does not have a responsibility to teach parents about genetic disorders. MCPS DOES HAVE a RESPONSIBILITY to TRAIN THEIR STAFF adequately to meet the NEEDS of the students.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is wild. I am an elementary school
arts teacher who teaches everyone in the school, including kids with autism and nonverbal. I would 100% never kick a child. But I would 100% definitely have a Diet Pepsi on my desk after lunch. I think parents have an unrealistic sense of what a school looks like.

As an arts teacher, you might not be seeing the most challenging situations. I know at my kids' school, paraeducators often float to students during specials. You have a very different environment than the home room.

At our elementary, all kids of all ages are dropped off at their specials — no teacher, no para. So kids with autism, developmental delays, ODD, and more. No adult stays with them other than the art/music/PE teacher. My job would be so much easier with another adult in the room.

Wow, that’s a lot. Is it a classic autism program? I know at our school the paras travel with the kids for specials.

It’s illegal. Parents must not know or they would complain.

I ask a lot of direct questions and I suspect I get lied to about this. There’s always heavy pauses when asked questions. I believe people are being asked to lie so the district won’t be forced to pay for placement changes. It’s a very deep hole they’ve dug themselves in and paras/teachers are left to deal with it. And ultimately, the kids are robbed of a quality education

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Anonymous wrote:Wow that sounds pretty bad.

When first seeing the title, I was willing to get the paraeducator the benefit of the doubt. Where something might've been incidental contact and blown out of proportion. And not to offend anyone but being identified as Special Ed can be a very wide spectrum and for a variety of reasons.

But to be actually be able to kick a kid in the chest seems to be pretty deliberate.

No injury reported.

My guess is the para was sitting in a chair and she pushed the kid away with her foot when he grabbed her drink (which she absolutely should not have had in the classroom).

This is why you shouldn't bring in minimum wage untrained people off the street to care for disabled students.

Why not?

It was soda.

Are teachers prohibited from having soda?

No, but they obviously shouldn't have it in the classroom in front of students. Come on.

That isn’t reasonable.

Teachers can have soda in front of students. Some teachers have coffee or tea. Even energy drinks. This is ok.

No, in certain circumstances, it’s not ok to have those things in the classroom. For example, if a child has dietary restrictions but because of their disability has impulse control issues, the teachers and paras/other staff should be aware and make accommodations.

A child was kicked and this is what people choose to harp on?? No wonder so many adults get away with abuse. So many justifications for adults who should know better.

Do we know that there was a child in the classroom with a dietary restriction and an accommodation that staff could not have soda? Or are you creating a scenario because you want to micromanage other adults?

Not eating peanut products in a classroom where there are peanut allergic children is reasonable. Not eating any snack in a classroom because hypothetically a child might have a disorder related to that snack is not reasonable.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:This threat is wild. What shocks the most is people with 2 or more kids with significant issues. Then blame the school for issues that arise during the day as staff cares for their kids. Why don’t keep doing this?

What do you expect parents with multiple kids with special needs to do?

use effective birth control after knowledge of the special needs of the first child.

Nice. Such willingness to say the quiet part out loud on a topic you obviously know nothing about.

the quiet part needs to be stated out loud. lots of complaints about lack of training by educators. parents need to be trained/counseled on genetic disorders.

Ma’am this is an MCPS thread. MCPS does not have a responsibility to teach parents about genetic disorders. MCPS DOES HAVE a RESPONSIBILITY to TRAIN THEIR STAFF adequately to meet the NEEDS of the students.

lol! This is correct!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is wild. I am an elementary school
arts teacher who teaches everyone in the school, including kids with autism and nonverbal. I would 100% never kick a child. But I would 100% definitely have a Diet Pepsi on my desk after lunch. I think parents have an unrealistic sense of what a school looks like.

As an arts teacher, you might not be seeing the most challenging situations. I know at my kids' school, paraeducators often float to students during specials. You have a very different environment than the home room.

At our elementary, all kids of all ages are dropped off at their specials — no teacher, no para. So kids with autism, developmental delays, ODD, and more. No adult stays with them other than the art/music/PE teacher. My job would be so much easier with another adult in the room.

Wow, that’s a lot. Is it a classic autism program? I know at our school the paras travel with the kids for specials.

It’s illegal. Parents must not know or they would complain.

I ask a lot of direct questions and I suspect I get lied to about this. There’s always heavy pauses when asked questions. I believe people are being asked to lie so the district won’t be forced to pay for placement changes. It’s a very deep hole they’ve dug themselves in and paras/teachers are left to deal with it. And ultimately, the kids are robbed of a quality education

No one will get private placement because their child didn’t have a para in specials, but the school will have to shuffle schedules to make sure going forward there’s one with each child that is entitled by their IEP.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow that sounds pretty bad.

When first seeing the title, I was willing to get the paraeducator the benefit of the doubt. Where something might've been incidental contact and blown out of proportion. And not to offend anyone but being identified as Special Ed can be a very wide spectrum and for a variety of reasons.

But to be actually be able to kick a kid in the chest seems to be pretty deliberate.

No injury reported.

My guess is the para was sitting in a chair and she pushed the kid away with her foot when he grabbed her drink (which she absolutely should not have had in the classroom).

This is why you shouldn't bring in minimum wage untrained people off the street to care for disabled students.

Why not?

It was soda.

Are teachers prohibited from having soda?

No, but they obviously shouldn't have it in the classroom in front of students. Come on.

That isn’t reasonable.

Teachers can have soda in front of students. Some teachers have coffee or tea. Even energy drinks. This is ok.

No, in certain circumstances, it’s not ok to have those things in the classroom. For example, if a child has dietary restrictions but because of their disability has impulse control issues, the teachers and paras/other staff should be aware and make accommodations.

A child was kicked and this is what people choose to harp on?? No wonder so many adults get away with abuse. So many justifications for adults who should know better.

Do we know that there was a child in the classroom with a dietary restriction and an accommodation that staff could not have soda? Or are you creating a scenario because you want to micromanage other adults?

Not eating peanut products in a classroom where there are peanut allergic children is reasonable. Not eating any snack in a classroom because hypothetically a child might have a disorder related to that snack is not reasonable.

A child was kicked and this is what you’re worried about. No one is micromanaging anyone. It’s just a thought. Neither of us knows whether that child or another child in that room had dietary restriction. If it came out that there was a dietary restriction in this classroom, would that change your mind? Would you actually feel bad that the child was kicked? Some of you are focused on the stupidest things.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is wild. I am an elementary school
arts teacher who teaches everyone in the school, including kids with autism and nonverbal. I would 100% never kick a child. But I would 100% definitely have a Diet Pepsi on my desk after lunch. I think parents have an unrealistic sense of what a school looks like.

As an arts teacher, you might not be seeing the most challenging situations. I know at my kids' school, paraeducators often float to students during specials. You have a very different environment than the home room.

At our elementary, all kids of all ages are dropped off at their specials — no teacher, no para. So kids with autism, developmental delays, ODD, and more. No adult stays with them other than the art/music/PE teacher. My job would be so much easier with another adult in the room.

Wow, that’s a lot. Is it a classic autism program? I know at our school the paras travel with the kids for specials.

It’s illegal. Parents must not know or they would complain.

I ask a lot of direct questions and I suspect I get lied to about this. There’s always heavy pauses when asked questions. I believe people are being asked to lie so the district won’t be forced to pay for placement changes. It’s a very deep hole they’ve dug themselves in and paras/teachers are left to deal with it. And ultimately, the kids are robbed of a quality education

No one will get private placement because their child didn’t have a para in specials, but the school will have to shuffle schedules to make sure going forward there’s one with each child that is entitled by their IEP.

Of course it’s more complicated than that. But numerous violations such as not having paras or people not shuffling schedules could result in a placement change. But what I was referring to is that schools will cover their behinds before telling parents that they did not have coverage or one to one support.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This threat is wild. What shocks the most is people with 2 or more kids with significant issues. Then blame the school for issues that arise during the day as staff cares for their kids. Why don’t keep doing this?

What do you expect parents with multiple kids with special needs to do?

use effective birth control after knowledge of the special needs of the first child.

Nice. Such willingness to say the quiet part out loud on a topic you obviously know nothing about.

the quiet part needs to be stated out loud. lots of complaints about lack of training by educators. parents need to be trained/counseled on genetic disorders.

Ma’am this is an MCPS thread. MCPS does not have a responsibility to teach parents about genetic disorders. MCPS DOES HAVE a RESPONSIBILITY to TRAIN THEIR STAFF adequately to meet the NEEDS of the students.

I’m so happy there are people here that have a brain.