Will school weapon detections cause class time delay?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The poster whose daughter was OK may not be a lier. The poster mentioned that he/she dropped daughter at school. So, the poster can control the time the student arriving school. I just don't know how many parents can do this. Some parents' work place is at the opposite direction from driving to the school. We live not too far not close enough to school. It takes around 45 minutes walking but half of the road has no side walk. School bus pickup time is 7:40am. There were quite a few times last year, the school bus arrived after 8:00. We can't drop our kid at school in early morning due to conflict schedule. We'll see how it works in the first two weeks. We are considering let our high schooler walk or bike to school, just need to be very careful at the busy part of the road.

I dropped my dc off at Westfield last year. The lines were crazy. It doesn't matter what time the kid was dropped off. There was a huge line before the doors opened at 7:40.

[Anonymous]

We have many trailers. Kids go right to the trailer for first period, not thru the detector line.

What's the *point* of these metal detectors. Its all just a showe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We have many trailers. Kids go right to the trailer for first period, not thru the detector line.

What's the *point* of these metal detectors. It's all just a showe.

this....plus kids and staff in and out all day to trailers. Make it make sense.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Westfield had huge delays in spring when they tried this AND it was when all the seniors were off campus.

They had two doors/two screeners total. Kids were an hour late to class every day.

The buses held kids on the bus until the pre-screening let-off time then they all got off at once and got in line. It made no sense.

The one police officer who directs the traffic for the whole school was pulled to assist.

I can't imagine what the lines will
Look like with 2700+ kids and two screeners.

PWC school have much lower populations and a lot more screeners.0

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DD goes to Westfield. She said the screening added a couple of minutes to her delay. I dropped her off daily, and there were a couple of days maybe where the lines were long. The traffic cop wasn't pulled off to assist more than a handful of times. If your kid is telling you that the security screening made them an hour late to class, you need to have a chat with them about that.

This is false. unless you are dropping her ridiculously early to be number one in line.

Different poster and this is not false. People were not constantly late by an hour. Stop spreading misinformation. If anything, it was a couple of minutes (and only those that always waited til the very end to show up to school).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Westfield had huge delays in spring when they tried this AND it was when all the seniors were off campus.

They had two doors/two screeners total. Kids were an hour late to class every day.

The buses held kids on the bus until the pre-screening let-off time then they all got off at once and got in line. It made no sense.

The one police officer who directs the traffic for the whole school was pulled to assist.

I can't imagine what the lines will
Look like with 2700+ kids and two screeners.

PWC school have much lower populations and a lot more screeners.0

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
DD goes to Westfield. She said the screening added a couple of minutes to her delay. I dropped her off daily, and there were a couple of days maybe where the lines were long. The traffic cop wasn't pulled off to assist more than a handful of times. If your kid is telling you that the security screening made them an hour late to class, you need to have a chat with them about that.

This is false. unless you are dropping her ridiculously early to be number one in line.

Different poster and this is not false. People were not constantly late by an hour. Stop spreading misinformation. If anything, it was a couple of minutes (and only those that always waited til the very end to show up to school).

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Westfield had huge delays in spring when they tried this AND it was when all the seniors were off campus.

They had two doors/two screeners total. Kids were an hour late to class every day.

The buses held kids on the bus until the pre-screening let-off time then they all got off at once and got in line. It made no sense.

The one police officer who directs the traffic for the whole school was pulled to assist.

I can't imagine what the lines will
Look like with 2700+ kids and two screeners.

PWC school have much lower populations and a lot more screeners.0

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
DD goes to Westfield. She said the screening added a couple of minutes to her delay. I dropped her off daily, and there were a couple of days maybe where the lines were long. The traffic cop wasn't pulled off to assist more than a handful of times. If your kid is telling you that the security screening made them an hour late to class, you need to have a chat with them about that.

This is false. unless you are dropping her ridiculously early to be number one in line.

Different poster and this is not false. People were not constantly late by an hour. Stop spreading misinformation. If anything, it was a couple of minutes (and only those that always waited til the very end to show up to school).

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Also teachers who have IPR or Plan period first class are being assigned metal detector monitoring. They are less than thrilled.

Parents this is why your child's teacher is exhausted and done with the year before it's even started. This is not respect of contract-teachers need planning time and not to be working all night. They have families. Stop getting on teachers and start getting on administrators who do things like this. It's not OK!!!

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Anonymous wrote:In the world we live in we expect instant gratification. People, especially younger, don't know how to wait for things. Yes, there might be delays but as with anything new, there will be a transition time. I have heard from school staff and parents who are at schools who already have detectors, that it takes about a week or two for everyone to get used to them and then it moves quick. So why is everyone freaking out about our poor kids having to wait in line, instead of thinking of the bigger picture, now our kids will be safer!

Gatehouse is this you....my kid was constantly losing 30-45 minutes of instructional time in History class and he was there 20 mins early. Stop talking at people you sound dumb and like you are sitting behind a comfy desk trying to make it all seem ok.

Nope I’m a parent like you with common sense. Are you talking about last year because of course they didn’t have a full fleet of metal detectors, they were testing it out. Highly doubt it took your son an hour to get through.

6 netal detectors for approximately 3000 students is nowhere near a "full fleet" of metal detectors.

1 metal detector for 500 students.

25 minutes to get through the metal detector and butts in the chair in class.

Every student must empty their backpacks and open their purses.

To achieve this with the handful of metal detectors FCPS hired, that comes to 20 students per minute required to get all 3000 students through the door and in their seats by the bell at 8:10 when the classrooms all close the doors and go on full lockdown.

Please explain how the math works for this "full fleet" of 6 metal detectors.

I'm an upthread PP whose entire division uses weapons (not "metal") detectors. If the kids scrub their backpacks of weapon-like objects (hence my comments on no 3-ring binders, metal/liquid filled water bottles, etc) and they take their laptops out and (literally) hold them over their head as they walk through the "detectors" -- they don't get set off and can walk thru at a normal pace and the line does move along. But the first few weeks have a steep learning curve for everyone (what they can/can't bring); they eventually back off on the tolerance level, and, yes, move certain kids along. Backpacks, lunchboxes, and personal items are "hand" searched only if the detectors go off. Our school has a total of four detectors -- one at the office, and three at the bus loop entrance for all ~2000 students. Faculty and staff does NOT get checked but all visitors do.

That said, our detectors stop sensing things a few inches above the ankle. Wanna guess what kind of stuff literally walks into school, in shoes?

Like I said, they are not making it safer; there are too many holes/inconsistencies. It is not a deterrent; it's just a PITA. They're checking off a box.

I wish they'd expend equal energy and effort to eliminate vaping in the bathrooms. So glad this is our family's last year in The System.

How is what you describe acceptable for our high school students.

They are not terrorists or prisoners.

Treating them as such is just wrong.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In the world we live in we expect instant gratification. People, especially younger, don't know how to wait for things. Yes, there might be delays but as with anything new, there will be a transition time. I have heard from school staff and parents who are at schools who already have detectors, that it takes about a week or two for everyone to get used to them and then it moves quick. So why is everyone freaking out about our poor kids having to wait in line, instead of thinking of the bigger picture, now our kids will be safer!

Gatehouse is this you....my kid was constantly losing 30-45 minutes of instructional time in History class and he was there 20 mins early. Stop talking at people you sound dumb and like you are sitting behind a comfy desk trying to make it all seem ok.

Nope I’m a parent like you with common sense. Are you talking about last year because of course they didn’t have a full fleet of metal detectors, they were testing it out. Highly doubt it took your son an hour to get through.

6 netal detectors for approximately 3000 students is nowhere near a "full fleet" of metal detectors.

1 metal detector for 500 students.

25 minutes to get through the metal detector and butts in the chair in class.

Every student must empty their backpacks and open their purses.

To achieve this with the handful of metal detectors FCPS hired, that comes to 20 students per minute required to get all 3000 students through the door and in their seats by the bell at 8:10 when the classrooms all close the doors and go on full lockdown.

Please explain how the math works for this "full fleet" of 6 metal detectors.

I'm an upthread PP whose entire division uses weapons (not "metal") detectors. If the kids scrub their backpacks of weapon-like objects (hence my comments on no 3-ring binders, metal/liquid filled water bottles, etc) and they take their laptops out and (literally) hold them over their head as they walk through the "detectors" -- they don't get set off and can walk thru at a normal pace and the line does move along. But the first few weeks have a steep learning curve for everyone (what they can/can't bring); they eventually back off on the tolerance level, and, yes, move certain kids along. Backpacks, lunchboxes, and personal items are "hand" searched only if the detectors go off. Our school has a total of four detectors -- one at the office, and three at the bus loop entrance for all ~2000 students. Faculty and staff does NOT get checked but all visitors do.

That said, our detectors stop sensing things a few inches above the ankle. Wanna guess what kind of stuff literally walks into school, in shoes?

Like I said, they are not making it safer; there are too many holes/inconsistencies. It is not a deterrent; it's just a PITA. They're checking off a box.

I wish they'd expend equal energy and effort to eliminate vaping in the bathrooms. So glad this is our family's last year in The System.

How is what you describe acceptable for our high school students.

They are not terrorists or prisoners.

Treating them as such is just wrong.

It seems that Gatehouse believes keeping students waiting in long lines outside without protection can protect students.

[Anonymous]

I don't think teachers should have to do this during their first period planning time.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In the world we live in we expect instant gratification. People, especially younger, don't know how to wait for things. Yes, there might be delays but as with anything new, there will be a transition time. I have heard from school staff and parents who are at schools who already have detectors, that it takes about a week or two for everyone to get used to them and then it moves quick. So why is everyone freaking out about our poor kids having to wait in line, instead of thinking of the bigger picture, now our kids will be safer!

Gatehouse is this you....my kid was constantly losing 30-45 minutes of instructional time in History class and he was there 20 mins early. Stop talking at people you sound dumb and like you are sitting behind a comfy desk trying to make it all seem ok.

Nope I’m a parent like you with common sense. Are you talking about last year because of course they didn’t have a full fleet of metal detectors, they were testing it out. Highly doubt it took your son an hour to get through.

6 netal detectors for approximately 3000 students is nowhere near a "full fleet" of metal detectors.

1 metal detector for 500 students.

25 minutes to get through the metal detector and butts in the chair in class.

Every student must empty their backpacks and open their purses.

To achieve this with the handful of metal detectors FCPS hired, that comes to 20 students per minute required to get all 3000 students through the door and in their seats by the bell at 8:10 when the classrooms all close the doors and go on full lockdown.

Please explain how the math works for this "full fleet" of 6 metal detectors.

I'm an upthread PP whose entire division uses weapons (not "metal") detectors. If the kids scrub their backpacks of weapon-like objects (hence my comments on no 3-ring binders, metal/liquid filled water bottles, etc) and they take their laptops out and (literally) hold them over their head as they walk through the "detectors" -- they don't get set off and can walk thru at a normal pace and the line does move along. But the first few weeks have a steep learning curve for everyone (what they can/can't bring); they eventually back off on the tolerance level, and, yes, move certain kids along. Backpacks, lunchboxes, and personal items are "hand" searched only if the detectors go off. Our school has a total of four detectors -- one at the office, and three at the bus loop entrance for all ~2000 students. Faculty and staff does NOT get checked but all visitors do.

That said, our detectors stop sensing things a few inches above the ankle. Wanna guess what kind of stuff literally walks into school, in shoes?

Like I said, they are not making it safer; there are too many holes/inconsistencies. It is not a deterrent; it's just a PITA. They're checking off a box.

I wish they'd expend equal energy and effort to eliminate vaping in the bathrooms. So glad this is our family's last year in The System.

How is what you describe acceptable for our high school students.

They are not terrorists or prisoners.

Treating them as such is just wrong.

It's not acceptable. Our family vehemently fought it and specified told our Board that there's no school-to-prison pipeline since they already treat them like they're in prison.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't think teachers should have to do this during their first period planning time.

Agree.

Reid should remain in office or go to the high schools each morning and assign her 4 security guards to 4 of the bigger high schools to help with flow.

[Anonymous]

^^ what's worse is....they're doing it at ALL levels in our Division, including Elementary.

Shame on them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^^ what's worse is....they're doing it at ALL levels in our Division, including Elementary.

Shame on them.

Elementary school? I didn't receive any notification from school about this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^^ what's worse is....they're doing it at ALL levels in our Division, including Elementary.

Shame on them.

Elementary school? I didn't receive any notification from school about this.

Pardons, to be clear. I am the upthread PP in a non-DMV school division (RVA).