Changes in LACs

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Anonymous wrote:No interest in any NESCAC school but imo Middlebury is in a decline from top 10 US News to current tie for 19. Add in application declines and financial deficits what else would one describe Middds current status. Lots of Middlebury grads and or parents are in denial. Amherst and Williams are so far above the rest of the pack. Bowdoin has some appeal but 90-95 k a year for the rest no thanks .

Midd hater has entered the chat. It’s so crazy to me that seemingly so many folks want to drop in on threads about liberal arts colleges to either argue that they are all inferior to universities or to assert that only four are worth attending. If you’re telling me people think Wesleyan, Hamilton, and Middlebury are shit, god help Oberlin.

They made a reasonable argument. It's only LAC parents who act like all the schools are the exact same. It'd be like someone claiming Ohio State is the same as Harvard. It's okay that schools are different and some get worse over time. Middlebury does have financial issues, you can read about it from their strategic planning, student journalism, or on this forum.

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Anonymous wrote:The Maine LACs are all on the rise - Colby, Bates, Bowdoin, Midd.

Also, Hamilton is becoming the new Amherst.

Midd is in Vermont and none of those schools are “rising” any different than years prior, other than maybe Colby.

Hamilton is completely different than Amherst and wants its future to be in tech and AI.

Also, can any of the NESCACs really be described as “on the rise?” Are any of them lacking in respect? Top to bottom, they are the standard on which all other SLACs are judged/compared. Obviously not saying those are the “best” schools, but people take shots at Amherst, Williams, Wes, Hamilton, Mid, Colby, etc. on this board for a reason. I don’t see many Bowdoin people, for example, puffing their chests about how they’re better than W&L.
-NESCAC alum, parent & spouse

What a bunch of New England garbage. NESCAC is the standard for mediocrity.

OK, thanks for your input Dennison mom.

Williams mom, but thanks for showing you can't handle an opinion that isn't your own.

Ha ha. OK, sis. Weird flex to say that the NESCACs are the standard for mediocrity and then proudly claim a kid at Williams, what plenty on this board would happily call the quintessential NESCAC. Seems like your convictions weren’t strong enough to insist your kid go to Carleton or Pomona. Or maybe you’re just s-posting and got lost.

Or maybe im smart enough to understand that there's a real delta between Williams and Connecticut college for Christ's sakes. Most of the Nescac is mediocre; there's the best of the best (Bowdoin, Amherst, Williams) and then there's the rest...It's a sports league, not all of us are obsessed.

Well if you think I was suggesting that Williams and Con Coll are the same, maybe you’re just not smart enough to understand my original point. And if you really believe most of the NESCAC is mediocre (crazy work BTW) then you probably aren’t. You got to make sure everyone understood their place, though, which is a very DCUM thing to do. You can see yourself out with the WASP or nothing strivers. You know who you are and I’m getting those vibes from you.

Triggered much? It’s a fact that Williams has a better endowment, more resources, better career and fellowship and graduate school outcomes than Connecticut college and every other NESCAC school. Pretending they’re all the same because they all play lacrosse together is just denying the inevitable truth that Williams Amherst and Bowdoin lead the pack.

Most of the NESCAC is mediocre and a few like Wesleyan and Midd are on a decline compared to where they were less than a decade ago. Williams and Amherst are in the company of Harvard and Yale; meanwhile, no person in their right mind would choose Connecticut college over the worst ivy. Get real and out of your emotions.

Oh boy. Seems like you’re the one who’s triggered. Also looks like I had you pegged as a WASP/Ivy + or bust striver. You can always tell when you’re talking to an Amherst/Williams person as opposed to a LAC person. Does it feel better when you tell people who’ve never heard of Williams that it’s “in the company of Harvard and Yale?”

You didn't prove against any of their statements, just throwing out attacks.

Uhhh, if you’re asking me to disprove that 9 of the 11 NESCAC schools are mediocre, I’m not sure how I can help you. If you’re asking me to concede that Amherst and Williams have large endowments relative to most other schools, or that no kids pick Con Coll over “the worst Ivy,” you’ll get no argument here. To be clear, I am part of the Mammoth hive. I don’t care for the crass elitism PP invokes when discussing Williams. Even if you believe that, punching down in that way is very unbecoming. My primary objection is the NESCAC disrespect. Not sure how to challenge that other than to point out how irrational it is. Williams can be great without the other schools being worthless.

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Anonymous wrote:The Maine LACs are all on the rise - Colby, Bates, Bowdoin, Midd.

Also, Hamilton is becoming the new Amherst.

Midd is in Vermont and none of those schools are “rising” any different than years prior, other than maybe Colby.

Hamilton is completely different than Amherst and wants its future to be in tech and AI.

Also, can any of the NESCACs really be described as “on the rise?” Are any of them lacking in respect? Top to bottom, they are the standard on which all other SLACs are judged/compared. Obviously not saying those are the “best” schools, but people take shots at Amherst, Williams, Wes, Hamilton, Mid, Colby, etc. on this board for a reason. I don’t see many Bowdoin people, for example, puffing their chests about how they’re better than W&L.
-NESCAC alum, parent & spouse

What a bunch of New England garbage. NESCAC is the standard for mediocrity.

OK, thanks for your input Dennison mom.

Williams mom, but thanks for showing you can't handle an opinion that isn't your own.

Ha ha. OK, sis. Weird flex to say that the NESCACs are the standard for mediocrity and then proudly claim a kid at Williams, what plenty on this board would happily call the quintessential NESCAC. Seems like your convictions weren’t strong enough to insist your kid go to Carleton or Pomona. Or maybe you’re just s-posting and got lost.

Or maybe im smart enough to understand that there's a real delta between Williams and Connecticut college for Christ's sakes. Most of the Nescac is mediocre; there's the best of the best (Bowdoin, Amherst, Williams) and then there's the rest...It's a sports league, not all of us are obsessed.

Well if you think I was suggesting that Williams and Con Coll are the same, maybe you’re just not smart enough to understand my original point. And if you really believe most of the NESCAC is mediocre (crazy work BTW) then you probably aren’t. You got to make sure everyone understood their place, though, which is a very DCUM thing to do. You can see yourself out with the WASP or nothing strivers. You know who you are and I’m getting those vibes from you.

Triggered much? It’s a fact that Williams has a better endowment, more resources, better career and fellowship and graduate school outcomes than Connecticut college and every other NESCAC school. Pretending they’re all the same because they all play lacrosse together is just denying the inevitable truth that Williams Amherst and Bowdoin lead the pack.

Most of the NESCAC is mediocre and a few like Wesleyan and Midd are on a decline compared to where they were less than a decade ago. Williams and Amherst are in the company of Harvard and Yale; meanwhile, no person in their right mind would choose Connecticut college over the worst ivy. Get real and out of your emotions.

Oh boy. Seems like you’re the one who’s triggered. Also looks like I had you pegged as a WASP/Ivy + or bust striver. You can always tell when you’re talking to an Amherst/Williams person as opposed to a LAC person. Does it feel better when you tell people who’ve never heard of Williams that it’s “in the company of Harvard and Yale?”

You didn't prove against any of their statements, just throwing out attacks.

Uhhh, if you’re asking me to disprove that 9 of the 11 NESCAC schools are mediocre, I’m not sure how I can help you. If you’re asking me to concede that Amherst and Williams have large endowments relative to most other schools, or that no kids pick Con Coll over “the worst Ivy,” you’ll get no argument here. To be clear, I am part of the Mammoth hive. I don’t care for the crass elitism PP invokes when discussing Williams. Even if you believe that, punching down in that way is very unbecoming. My primary objection is the NESCAC disrespect. Not sure how to challenge that other than to point out how irrational it is. Williams can be great without the other schools being worthless.

So disingenuous the claim was "It’s a fact that Williams has a better endowment, more resources, better career and fellowship and graduate school outcomes than Connecticut college and every other NESCAC school. Pretending they’re all the same because they all play lacrosse together is just denying the inevitable truth that Williams Amherst and Bowdoin lead the pack."

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This whole Williams-or-bust NESCAC bashing is silly. I’m an Eph but I thought some of the other NESCAC’s were better fits for my kid.

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Anonymous wrote:The Maine LACs are all on the rise - Colby, Bates, Bowdoin, Midd.

Also, Hamilton is becoming the new Amherst.

Midd is in Vermont and none of those schools are “rising” any different than years prior, other than maybe Colby.

Hamilton is completely different than Amherst and wants its future to be in tech and AI.

Also, can any of the NESCACs really be described as “on the rise?” Are any of them lacking in respect? Top to bottom, they are the standard on which all other SLACs are judged/compared. Obviously not saying those are the “best” schools, but people take shots at Amherst, Williams, Wes, Hamilton, Mid, Colby, etc. on this board for a reason. I don’t see many Bowdoin people, for example, puffing their chests about how they’re better than W&L.
-NESCAC alum, parent & spouse

What a bunch of New England garbage. NESCAC is the standard for mediocrity.

OK, thanks for your input Dennison mom.

Williams mom, but thanks for showing you can't handle an opinion that isn't your own.

Ha ha. OK, sis. Weird flex to say that the NESCACs are the standard for mediocrity and then proudly claim a kid at Williams, what plenty on this board would happily call the quintessential NESCAC. Seems like your convictions weren’t strong enough to insist your kid go to Carleton or Pomona. Or maybe you’re just s-posting and got lost.

Or maybe im smart enough to understand that there's a real delta between Williams and Connecticut college for Christ's sakes. Most of the Nescac is mediocre; there's the best of the best (Bowdoin, Amherst, Williams) and then there's the rest...It's a sports league, not all of us are obsessed.

Well if you think I was suggesting that Williams and Con Coll are the same, maybe you’re just not smart enough to understand my original point. And if you really believe most of the NESCAC is mediocre (crazy work BTW) then you probably aren’t. You got to make sure everyone understood their place, though, which is a very DCUM thing to do. You can see yourself out with the WASP or nothing strivers. You know who you are and I’m getting those vibes from you.

Triggered much? It’s a fact that Williams has a better endowment, more resources, better career and fellowship and graduate school outcomes than Connecticut college and every other NESCAC school. Pretending they’re all the same because they all play lacrosse together is just denying the inevitable truth that Williams Amherst and Bowdoin lead the pack.

Most of the NESCAC is mediocre and a few like Wesleyan and Midd are on a decline compared to where they were less than a decade ago. Williams and Amherst are in the company of Harvard and Yale; meanwhile, no person in their right mind would choose Connecticut college over the worst ivy. Get real and out of your emotions.

Oh boy. Seems like you’re the one who’s triggered. Also looks like I had you pegged as a WASP/Ivy + or bust striver. You can always tell when you’re talking to an Amherst/Williams person as opposed to a LAC person. Does it feel better when you tell people who’ve never heard of Williams that it’s “in the company of Harvard and Yale?”

You didn't prove against any of their statements, just throwing out attacks.

Uhhh, if you’re asking me to disprove that 9 of the 11 NESCAC schools are mediocre, I’m not sure how I can help you. If you’re asking me to concede that Amherst and Williams have large endowments relative to most other schools, or that no kids pick Con Coll over “the worst Ivy,” you’ll get no argument here. To be clear, I am part of the Mammoth hive. I don’t care for the crass elitism PP invokes when discussing Williams. Even if you believe that, punching down in that way is very unbecoming. My primary objection is the NESCAC disrespect. Not sure how to challenge that other than to point out how irrational it is. Williams can be great without the other schools being worthless.

So disingenuous the claim was "It’s a fact that Williams has a better endowment, more resources, better career and fellowship and graduate school outcomes than Connecticut college and every other NESCAC school. Pretending they’re all the same because they all play lacrosse together is just denying the inevitable truth that Williams Amherst and Bowdoin lead the pack."

Sport, maybe sit this one out. Nobody said the NESCAC schools were “the same” or anything like that. Love that you guys need to put the other schools in their place, though. If it’s so self evident, why is so much time spent on this board reminding people how very special the WASP schools are and how LARGE the drop off is after them. Sorry that I’m not willing to concede that Amherst and Williams are the only NESCACs worth attending. We’ll just have to agree to disagree.

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Anonymous wrote:This whole Williams-or-bust NESCAC bashing is silly. I’m an Eph but I thought some of the other NESCAC’s were better fits for my kid.

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Anonymous wrote:The Maine LACs are all on the rise - Colby, Bates, Bowdoin, Midd.

Also, Hamilton is becoming the new Amherst.

Midd is in Vermont and none of those schools are “rising” any different than years prior, other than maybe Colby.

Hamilton is completely different than Amherst and wants its future to be in tech and AI.

Also, can any of the NESCACs really be described as “on the rise?” Are any of them lacking in respect? Top to bottom, they are the standard on which all other SLACs are judged/compared. Obviously not saying those are the “best” schools, but people take shots at Amherst, Williams, Wes, Hamilton, Mid, Colby, etc. on this board for a reason. I don’t see many Bowdoin people, for example, puffing their chests about how they’re better than W&L.
-NESCAC alum, parent & spouse

What a bunch of New England garbage. NESCAC is the standard for mediocrity.

OK, thanks for your input Dennison mom.

Williams mom, but thanks for showing you can't handle an opinion that isn't your own.

Ha ha. OK, sis. Weird flex to say that the NESCACs are the standard for mediocrity and then proudly claim a kid at Williams, what plenty on this board would happily call the quintessential NESCAC. Seems like your convictions weren’t strong enough to insist your kid go to Carleton or Pomona. Or maybe you’re just s-posting and got lost.

Or maybe im smart enough to understand that there's a real delta between Williams and Connecticut college for Christ's sakes. Most of the Nescac is mediocre; there's the best of the best (Bowdoin, Amherst, Williams) and then there's the rest...It's a sports league, not all of us are obsessed.

There is a real delta between Conn College and everyone else but the idea that There are those three and everyone else is just stupid.

If you used test scores as an imperfect proxy here are 4 schools with peak academics there are 4 (5 with Tufts) schools with 'peak' academics which are the three that you named plus Middlebury. All have SAT averages of 1500+

There are 5 schools with scores 1400 - 1500 Hamilton, Wesleyan, Bates, Trinity, and probably Colby

And only one real outlier, Conn College which is still a fine school.

Hamilton is pretty equal too teh top schools academically and Wes and Colby are as well.

This “all 12 SLACs are equal poster” is a bit much. Make the same silly argument about national unis: all top 20 are equal to HYPSM? Occupy yourself in one of those threads; it requires the same, convoluted logic.

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Anonymous wrote:The Maine LACs are all on the rise - Colby, Bates, Bowdoin, Midd.

Also, Hamilton is becoming the new Amherst.

Midd is in Vermont and none of those schools are “rising” any different than years prior, other than maybe Colby.

Hamilton is completely different than Amherst and wants its future to be in tech and AI.

Also, can any of the NESCACs really be described as “on the rise?” Are any of them lacking in respect? Top to bottom, they are the standard on which all other SLACs are judged/compared. Obviously not saying those are the “best” schools, but people take shots at Amherst, Williams, Wes, Hamilton, Mid, Colby, etc. on this board for a reason. I don’t see many Bowdoin people, for example, puffing their chests about how they’re better than W&L.
-NESCAC alum, parent & spouse

What a bunch of New England garbage. NESCAC is the standard for mediocrity.

OK, thanks for your input Dennison mom.

Williams mom, but thanks for showing you can't handle an opinion that isn't your own.

Ha ha. OK, sis. Weird flex to say that the NESCACs are the standard for mediocrity and then proudly claim a kid at Williams, what plenty on this board would happily call the quintessential NESCAC. Seems like your convictions weren’t strong enough to insist your kid go to Carleton or Pomona. Or maybe you’re just s-posting and got lost.

Or maybe im smart enough to understand that there's a real delta between Williams and Connecticut college for Christ's sakes. Most of the Nescac is mediocre; there's the best of the best (Bowdoin, Amherst, Williams) and then there's the rest...It's a sports league, not all of us are obsessed.

There is a real delta between Conn College and everyone else but the idea that There are those three and everyone else is just stupid.

If you used test scores as an imperfect proxy here are 4 schools with peak academics there are 4 (5 with Tufts) schools with 'peak' academics which are the three that you named plus Middlebury. All have SAT averages of 1500+

There are 5 schools with scores 1400 - 1500 Hamilton, Wesleyan, Bates, Trinity, and probably Colby

And only one real outlier, Conn College which is still a fine school.

Hamilton is pretty equal too teh top schools academically and Wes and Colby are as well.

This “all 12 SLACs are equal poster” is a bit much. Make the same silly argument about national unis: all top 20 are equal to HYPSM? Occupy yourself in one of those threads; it requires the same, convoluted logic.

If a perspective or opinion is relevant across similar topics, I'd expect to see it repeatedly. It's your choice as to whether or not you read it repeatedly.

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Anonymous wrote:The Maine LACs are all on the rise - Colby, Bates, Bowdoin, Midd.

Also, Hamilton is becoming the new Amherst.

Midd is in Vermont and none of those schools are “rising” any different than years prior, other than maybe Colby.

Hamilton is completely different than Amherst and wants its future to be in tech and AI.

Also, can any of the NESCACs really be described as “on the rise?” Are any of them lacking in respect? Top to bottom, they are the standard on which all other SLACs are judged/compared. Obviously not saying those are the “best” schools, but people take shots at Amherst, Williams, Wes, Hamilton, Mid, Colby, etc. on this board for a reason. I don’t see many Bowdoin people, for example, puffing their chests about how they’re better than W&L.
-NESCAC alum, parent & spouse

What a bunch of New England garbage. NESCAC is the standard for mediocrity.

OK, thanks for your input Dennison mom.

Williams mom, but thanks for showing you can't handle an opinion that isn't your own.

Ha ha. OK, sis. Weird flex to say that the NESCACs are the standard for mediocrity and then proudly claim a kid at Williams, what plenty on this board would happily call the quintessential NESCAC. Seems like your convictions weren’t strong enough to insist your kid go to Carleton or Pomona. Or maybe you’re just s-posting and got lost.

Or maybe im smart enough to understand that there's a real delta between Williams and Connecticut college for Christ's sakes. Most of the Nescac is mediocre; there's the best of the best (Bowdoin, Amherst, Williams) and then there's the rest...It's a sports league, not all of us are obsessed.

There is a real delta between Conn College and everyone else but the idea that There are those three and everyone else is just stupid.

If you used test scores as an imperfect proxy here are 4 schools with peak academics there are 4 (5 with Tufts) schools with 'peak' academics which are the three that you named plus Middlebury. All have SAT averages of 1500+

There are 5 schools with scores 1400 - 1500 Hamilton, Wesleyan, Bates, Trinity, and probably Colby

And only one real outlier, Conn College which is still a fine school.

Hamilton is pretty equal too teh top schools academically and Wes and Colby are as well.

This “all 12 SLACs are equal poster” is a bit much. Make the same silly argument about national unis: all top 20 are equal to HYPSM? Occupy yourself in one of those threads; it requires the same, convoluted logic.

If a perspective or opinion is relevant across similar topics, I'd expect to see it repeatedly. It's your choice as to whether or not you read it repeatedly.

Was it your choice to end a sentence, twice, with “repeatedly”? Certainly had I known that was coming, I would have “chosen” not to read them. Alas…

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Anonymous wrote:The Maine LACs are all on the rise - Colby, Bates, Bowdoin, Midd.

Also, Hamilton is becoming the new Amherst.

Midd is in Vermont and none of those schools are “rising” any different than years prior, other than maybe Colby.

Hamilton is completely different than Amherst and wants its future to be in tech and AI.

Also, can any of the NESCACs really be described as “on the rise?” Are any of them lacking in respect? Top to bottom, they are the standard on which all other SLACs are judged/compared. Obviously not saying those are the “best” schools, but people take shots at Amherst, Williams, Wes, Hamilton, Mid, Colby, etc. on this board for a reason. I don’t see many Bowdoin people, for example, puffing their chests about how they’re better than W&L.
-NESCAC alum, parent & spouse

What a bunch of New England garbage. NESCAC is the standard for mediocrity.

OK, thanks for your input Dennison mom.

Williams mom, but thanks for showing you can't handle an opinion that isn't your own.

Ha ha. OK, sis. Weird flex to say that the NESCACs are the standard for mediocrity and then proudly claim a kid at Williams, what plenty on this board would happily call the quintessential NESCAC. Seems like your convictions weren’t strong enough to insist your kid go to Carleton or Pomona. Or maybe you’re just s-posting and got lost.

Or maybe im smart enough to understand that there's a real delta between Williams and Connecticut college for Christ's sakes. Most of the Nescac is mediocre; there's the best of the best (Bowdoin, Amherst, Williams) and then there's the rest...It's a sports league, not all of us are obsessed.

There is a real delta between Conn College and everyone else but the idea that There are those three and everyone else is just stupid.

If you used test scores as an imperfect proxy here are 4 schools with peak academics there are 4 (5 with Tufts) schools with 'peak' academics which are the three that you named plus Middlebury. All have SAT averages of 1500+

There are 5 schools with scores 1400 - 1500 Hamilton, Wesleyan, Bates, Trinity, and probably Colby

And only one real outlier, Conn College which is still a fine school.

Hamilton is pretty equal too teh top schools academically and Wes and Colby are as well.

This “all 12 SLACs are equal poster” is a bit much. Make the same silly argument about national unis: all top 20 are equal to HYPSM? Occupy yourself in one of those threads; it requires the same, convoluted logic.

By that same logic, I hope you would be just as offended if someone suggested Duke or Northwestern or even Cornell were mediocre because they weren’t quite as bright and shiny as HYPSM. People on this board do love to shit on Cornell. It’s wild.

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Anonymous wrote:The Maine LACs are all on the rise - Colby, Bates, Bowdoin, Midd.

Also, Hamilton is becoming the new Amherst.

Midd is in Vermont and none of those schools are “rising” any different than years prior, other than maybe Colby.

Hamilton is completely different than Amherst and wants its future to be in tech and AI.

Also, can any of the NESCACs really be described as “on the rise?” Are any of them lacking in respect? Top to bottom, they are the standard on which all other SLACs are judged/compared. Obviously not saying those are the “best” schools, but people take shots at Amherst, Williams, Wes, Hamilton, Mid, Colby, etc. on this board for a reason. I don’t see many Bowdoin people, for example, puffing their chests about how they’re better than W&L.
-NESCAC alum, parent & spouse

What a bunch of New England garbage. NESCAC is the standard for mediocrity.

OK, thanks for your input Dennison mom.

Williams mom, but thanks for showing you can't handle an opinion that isn't your own.

Ha ha. OK, sis. Weird flex to say that the NESCACs are the standard for mediocrity and then proudly claim a kid at Williams, what plenty on this board would happily call the quintessential NESCAC. Seems like your convictions weren’t strong enough to insist your kid go to Carleton or Pomona. Or maybe you’re just s-posting and got lost.

Or maybe im smart enough to understand that there's a real delta between Williams and Connecticut college for Christ's sakes. Most of the Nescac is mediocre; there's the best of the best (Bowdoin, Amherst, Williams) and then there's the rest...It's a sports league, not all of us are obsessed.

There is a real delta between Conn College and everyone else but the idea that There are those three and everyone else is just stupid.

If you used test scores as an imperfect proxy here are 4 schools with peak academics there are 4 (5 with Tufts) schools with 'peak' academics which are the three that you named plus Middlebury. All have SAT averages of 1500+

There are 5 schools with scores 1400 - 1500 Hamilton, Wesleyan, Bates, Trinity, and probably Colby

And only one real outlier, Conn College which is still a fine school.

Hamilton is pretty equal too teh top schools academically and Wes and Colby are as well.

This “all 12 SLACs are equal poster” is a bit much. Make the same silly argument about national unis: all top 20 are equal to HYPSM? Occupy yourself in one of those threads; it requires the same, convoluted logic.

By that same logic, I hope you would be just as offended if someone suggested Duke or Northwestern or even Cornell were mediocre because they weren’t quite as bright and shiny as HYPSM. People on this board do love to shit on Cornell. It’s wild.

Thanks for the epiphany. I absolutely agree with this profundity: there is no difference between Cornell and HYPSM.

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Anonymous wrote:The Maine LACs are all on the rise - Colby, Bates, Bowdoin, Midd.

Also, Hamilton is becoming the new Amherst.

Midd is in Vermont and none of those schools are “rising” any different than years prior, other than maybe Colby.

Hamilton is completely different than Amherst and wants its future to be in tech and AI.

Also, can any of the NESCACs really be described as “on the rise?” Are any of them lacking in respect? Top to bottom, they are the standard on which all other SLACs are judged/compared. Obviously not saying those are the “best” schools, but people take shots at Amherst, Williams, Wes, Hamilton, Mid, Colby, etc. on this board for a reason. I don’t see many Bowdoin people, for example, puffing their chests about how they’re better than W&L.
-NESCAC alum, parent & spouse

What a bunch of New England garbage. NESCAC is the standard for mediocrity.

OK, thanks for your input Dennison mom.

Williams mom, but thanks for showing you can't handle an opinion that isn't your own.

Ha ha. OK, sis. Weird flex to say that the NESCACs are the standard for mediocrity and then proudly claim a kid at Williams, what plenty on this board would happily call the quintessential NESCAC. Seems like your convictions weren’t strong enough to insist your kid go to Carleton or Pomona. Or maybe you’re just s-posting and got lost.

Or maybe im smart enough to understand that there's a real delta between Williams and Connecticut college for Christ's sakes. Most of the Nescac is mediocre; there's the best of the best (Bowdoin, Amherst, Williams) and then there's the rest...It's a sports league, not all of us are obsessed.

There is a real delta between Conn College and everyone else but the idea that There are those three and everyone else is just stupid.

If you used test scores as an imperfect proxy here are 4 schools with peak academics there are 4 (5 with Tufts) schools with 'peak' academics which are the three that you named plus Middlebury. All have SAT averages of 1500+

There are 5 schools with scores 1400 - 1500 Hamilton, Wesleyan, Bates, Trinity, and probably Colby

And only one real outlier, Conn College which is still a fine school.

Hamilton is pretty equal too teh top schools academically and Wes and Colby are as well.

This “all 12 SLACs are equal poster” is a bit much. Make the same silly argument about national unis: all top 20 are equal to HYPSM? Occupy yourself in one of those threads; it requires the same, convoluted logic.

If a perspective or opinion is relevant across similar topics, I'd expect to see it repeatedly. It's your choice as to whether or not you read it repeatedly.

Was it your choice to end a sentence, twice, with “repeatedly”? Certainly had I known that was coming, I would have “chosen” not to read them. Alas…

In literature, such use is known as parallel structure, and is commonly created intentionally. Some may recognize versions of it from, say, the Bible.

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Williams and Amherst have the wow factor. Bowdoin has some appeal but the rest not.

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Anonymous wrote:No interest in any NESCAC school but imo Middlebury is in a decline from top 10 US News to current tie for 19. Add in application declines and financial deficits what else would one describe Middds current status. Lots of Middlebury grads and or parents are in denial. Amherst and Williams are so far above the rest of the pack. Bowdoin has some appeal but 90-95 k a year for the rest no thanks .

Midd hater has entered the chat. It’s so crazy to me that seemingly so many folks want to drop in on threads about liberal arts colleges to either argue that they are all inferior to universities or to assert that only four are worth attending. If you’re telling me people think Wesleyan, Hamilton, and Middlebury are shit, god help Oberlin.

They made a reasonable argument. It's only LAC parents who act like all the schools are the exact same. It'd be like someone claiming Ohio State is the same as Harvard. It's okay that schools are different and some get worse over time. Middlebury does have financial issues, you can read about it from their strategic planning, student journalism, or on this forum.

They didn't make a reasonable argument because it is just a constant flow of nonsense. They have posted this junk many times before and some people have been pretty direct in batting them around and proving them foolish at pretty much every turn.

Middlebury has a small but nagging deficit because of MIIS. It has no material effect on the finances of a school with a $1.6B endowment and an pristine balance sheet other than being a bit embarrassing. The incoming President has stated that he will address it within the year.

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Anonymous wrote:The Maine LACs are all on the rise - Colby, Bates, Bowdoin, Midd.

Also, Hamilton is becoming the new Amherst.

Midd is in Vermont and none of those schools are “rising” any different than years prior, other than maybe Colby.

Hamilton is completely different than Amherst and wants its future to be in tech and AI.

Also, can any of the NESCACs really be described as “on the rise?” Are any of them lacking in respect? Top to bottom, they are the standard on which all other SLACs are judged/compared. Obviously not saying those are the “best” schools, but people take shots at Amherst, Williams, Wes, Hamilton, Mid, Colby, etc. on this board for a reason. I don’t see many Bowdoin people, for example, puffing their chests about how they’re better than W&L.
-NESCAC alum, parent & spouse

What a bunch of New England garbage. NESCAC is the standard for mediocrity.

OK, thanks for your input Dennison mom.

Williams mom, but thanks for showing you can't handle an opinion that isn't your own.

Ha ha. OK, sis. Weird flex to say that the NESCACs are the standard for mediocrity and then proudly claim a kid at Williams, what plenty on this board would happily call the quintessential NESCAC. Seems like your convictions weren’t strong enough to insist your kid go to Carleton or Pomona. Or maybe you’re just s-posting and got lost.

Or maybe im smart enough to understand that there's a real delta between Williams and Connecticut college for Christ's sakes. Most of the Nescac is mediocre; there's the best of the best (Bowdoin, Amherst, Williams) and then there's the rest...It's a sports league, not all of us are obsessed.

There is a real delta between Conn College and everyone else but the idea that There are those three and everyone else is just stupid.

If you used test scores as an imperfect proxy here are 4 schools with peak academics there are 4 (5 with Tufts) schools with 'peak' academics which are the three that you named plus Middlebury. All have SAT averages of 1500+

There are 5 schools with scores 1400 - 1500 Hamilton, Wesleyan, Bates, Trinity, and probably Colby

And only one real outlier, Conn College which is still a fine school.

Hamilton is pretty equal too the top schools academically and Wes and Colby are as well.

This “all 12 SLACs are equal poster” is a bit much. Make the same silly argument about national unis: all top 20 are equal to HYPSM? Occupy yourself in one of those threads; it requires the same, convoluted logic.

I've seen those threads and I'm more inclined to agree with them than not. You can quibble around the edges but the student bodies are pretty much the same academically which shouldn't surprise anyone when you consider that about 60,000 kids apply to Harvard every year, most are qualified and the Ivy league could only hold around 30% of them. Some schools have a longer right tail or left tail but the vast bulk of the student bodies are more similar than different.

It doesn't seem like a very convoluted argument to me, it rather makes sense. Can you tell me why it doesn't?