The voucher effect

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It seems only voucher enthusiastics are vocal on this debate.

I, as a FCPS parent, do not support vouchers. They are not going to solve problems in public education. If you don't like the politics (DEI, empathy, religious neutral) of FCPS, then spend your own money to find the school you like. I support your right to choose but not your right to take the money out.

I actually align pretty closely with the politics you laid out above and I still think FCPS is going the way of vouchers. What you lay out I think really motivates about 5% of people.


But most parents have jobs. All the narrative about school not being childcare is fine— but most parents have jobs and want their kids in school five days per week. Early dismissal Monday’s when no other local district did that totally ruined FCPS’ credibility for me.

Falls Church City has early release Wednesdays almost every week in elementary school and once a month in middle school.
https://www.fccps.org/page/calendars

Ok. But Arlington and Loudoun and other systems of size do not. Loudoun even specifically backed off such a plan because they took parent inputs.

Arlington had early release Wednesdays for years.

And now does not. Presumably because they understand that their parent population overwhelmingly works outside the home and expecting adults to be home at noon on Wednesday is intensely disrespectful. Almost as disrespectful as the claim that warehousing kids in the auditorium doesn’t detract from instructional time. Truly it’s insulting. And when you point these very basic things out you’re told you’re MAGA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It seems only voucher enthusiastics are vocal on this debate.

I, as a FCPS parent, do not support vouchers. They are not going to solve problems in public education. If you don't like the politics (DEI, empathy, religious neutral) of FCPS, then spend your own money to find the school you like. I support your right to choose but not your right to take the money out.

I actually align pretty closely with the politics you laid out above and I still think FCPS is going the way of vouchers. What you lay out I think really motivates about 5% of people.


But most parents have jobs. All the narrative about school not being childcare is fine— but most parents have jobs and want their kids in school five days per week. Early dismissal Monday’s when no other local district did that totally ruined FCPS’ credibility for me.

Falls Church City has early release Wednesdays almost every week in elementary school and once a month in middle school.
https://www.fccps.org/page/calendars

Ok. But Arlington and Loudoun and other systems of size do not. Loudoun even specifically backed off such a plan because they took parent inputs.

Arlington had early release Wednesdays for years.

And now does not. Presumably because they understand that their parent population overwhelmingly works outside the home and expecting adults to be home at noon on Wednesday is intensely disrespectful. Almost as disrespectful as the claim that warehousing kids in the auditorium doesn’t detract from instructional time. Truly it’s insulting. And when you point these very basic things out you’re told you’re MAGA.

Uh yeah we do. We got rid of early release EVERY Wednesday around the same time FCPS did but we have always had at least 5 early release days in the calendar for professional development.

If this truth insults you, I’m sorry, but I try to post the truth.
-15+ year APS teacher, FCPS parent

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It seems only voucher enthusiastics are vocal on this debate.

I, as a FCPS parent, do not support vouchers. They are not going to solve problems in public education. If you don't like the politics (DEI, empathy, religious neutral) of FCPS, then spend your own money to find the school you like. I support your right to choose but not your right to take the money out.

I actually align pretty closely with the politics you laid out above and I still think FCPS is going the way of vouchers. What you lay out I think really motivates about 5% of people.


But most parents have jobs. All the narrative about school not being childcare is fine— but most parents have jobs and want their kids in school five days per week. Early dismissal Monday’s when no other local district did that totally ruined FCPS’ credibility for me.

Falls Church City has early release Wednesdays almost every week in elementary school and once a month in middle school.
https://www.fccps.org/page/calendars

Ok. But Arlington and Loudoun and other systems of size do not. Loudoun even specifically backed off such a plan because they took parent inputs.

Arlington had early release Wednesdays for years.

And now does not. Presumably because they understand that their parent population overwhelmingly works outside the home and expecting adults to be home at noon on Wednesday is intensely disrespectful. Almost as disrespectful as the claim that warehousing kids in the auditorium doesn’t detract from instructional time. Truly it’s insulting. And when you point these very basic things out you’re told you’re MAGA.

Uh yeah we do. We got rid of early release EVERY Wednesday around the same time FCPS did but we have always had at least 5 early release days in the calendar for professional development.

If this truth insults you, I’m sorry, but I try to post the truth.
-15+ year APS teacher, FCPS parent

Yes, you don’t have eight (I just checked) and they’re not announced at the beginning of school and they’re not blamed on the state “dropping” requirements on you, which is what FCPS did last year.

[Anonymous]

Just for people to consider. Look how FCPS board boosters treat parents upset by early release:

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/15/1273170.page

And you think those same parents should turn out to vote down vouchers?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Parochial schools in FFX Cty cost somewhere around $12k. My kids small private costs $9k. Other private Christian schools I’ve seen costs $15k. Just googled what FCPS spend per student and see figures from $20-25k. Vouchers for even half that would open doors for a lot of people and put quite a bit of extra money back into FCPS pocket. Seems like a win-win.

IMO, teachers and school boards are against vouchers bc it could only expose more of their incompetence. Public school parents are opposed bc they are more all-in on the indoctrination goal than seeing other people happily go about their lives and opting out of their weirdo schools.

“Indoctrination goal” You sound like a Moms for Liberty shill.

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IMO, teachers and school boards are against vouchers bc it could only expose more of their incompetence. Public school parents are opposed bc they are more all-in on the indoctrination goal than seeing other people happily go about their lives and opting out of their weirdo schools.

This is a radical way of thinking to believe that every goal is to indoctrinate and remain incompetent. Teachers wish they could “indoctrinate” kids to turn in their work, bring their supplies, etc. I don’t know what agenda they think is being pushed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It seems only voucher enthusiastics are vocal on this debate.

I, as a FCPS parent, do not support vouchers. They are not going to solve problems in public education. If you don't like the politics (DEI, empathy, religious neutral) of FCPS, then spend your own money to find the school you like. I support your right to choose but not your right to take the money out.

I actually align pretty closely with the politics you laid out above and I still think FCPS is going the way of vouchers. What you lay out I think really motivates about 5% of people.


But most parents have jobs. All the narrative about school not being childcare is fine— but most parents have jobs and want their kids in school five days per week. Early dismissal Monday’s when no other local district did that totally ruined FCPS’ credibility for me.

Falls Church City has early release Wednesdays almost every week in elementary school and once a month in middle school.
https://www.fccps.org/page/calendars

Ok. But Arlington and Loudoun and other systems of size do not. Loudoun even specifically backed off such a plan because they took parent inputs.

Arlington had early release Wednesdays for years.

And now does not. Presumably because they understand that their parent population overwhelmingly works outside the home and expecting adults to be home at noon on Wednesday is intensely disrespectful. Almost as disrespectful as the claim that warehousing kids in the auditorium doesn’t detract from instructional time. Truly it’s insulting. And when you point these very basic things out you’re told you’re MAGA.

Uh yeah we do. We got rid of early release EVERY Wednesday around the same time FCPS did but we have always had at least 5 early release days in the calendar for professional development.

If this truth insults you, I’m sorry, but I try to post the truth.
-15+ year APS teacher, FCPS parent

Yes, you don’t have eight (I just checked) and they’re not announced at the beginning of school and they’re not blamed on the state “dropping” requirements on you, which is what FCPS did last year.

We have 7 for elementary (5 PDs and 2 parent conferences) and 5 for secondary. To be pendantic, when you said “now does not” you did not say that they have lessened the number of days to 5-7, but said we do not. And to be specific about last year, we had entire days off added to the calendar, not half days, but the half days were there as well.

You seem to be acting out of emotion rather than logic as you are simultaneously arguing that FCPS is warehousing kids in an auditorium (which was proven wrong earlier by posting a schedule of activities) and that expecting parents to pick kids up early is awful, but 7 times a year is okay where as 5 times is fine. In short, r “argument” is not logical.

[Anonymous]

Ha- I will fix that last part I’m doing many things at once: “You are arguing that 8 times is year is NOT okay, but 5 times is fine”. That isn’t an argument based in logic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just for people to consider. Look how FCPS board boosters treat parents upset by early release:

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/15/1273170.page

And you think those same parents should turn out to vote down vouchers?

What exactly does that thread have to do with vouchers?

You base your vote (to defund public schools) on anonymous comments on a mommy website?

“Everybody else” makes you do terrible things, huh?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Parochial schools in FFX Cty cost somewhere around $12k. My kids small private costs $9k. Other private Christian schools I’ve seen costs $15k. Just googled what FCPS spend per student and see figures from $20-25k. Vouchers for even half that would open doors for a lot of people and put quite a bit of extra money back into FCPS pocket. Seems like a win-win.

IMO, teachers and school boards are against vouchers bc it could only expose more of their incompetence. Public school parents are opposed bc they are more all-in on the indoctrination goal than seeing other people happily go about their lives and opting out of their weirdo schools.

“Indoctrination goal” You sound like a Moms for Liberty shill.

+ 1

IMO, teachers and school boards are against vouchers bc it could only expose more of their incompetence. Public school parents are opposed bc they are more all-in on the indoctrination goal than seeing other people happily go about their lives and opting out of their weirdo schools.

This is a radical way of thinking to believe that every goal is to indoctrinate and remain incompetent. Teachers wish they could “indoctrinate” kids to turn in their work, bring their supplies, etc. I don’t know what agenda they think is being pushed.

That poster didn’t make sense to me. There is no greater tool of indoctrination that a religious school. All I can come up with is the poster really believes in indoctrination, but only in the way THEY approve of, so they are scared of anything else?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ha- I will fix that last part I’m doing many things at once: “You are arguing that 8 times is year is NOT okay, but 5 times is fine”. That isn’t an argument based in logic.

That PP has yet to bring up a rational point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Parochial schools in FFX Cty cost somewhere around $12k. My kids small private costs $9k. Other private Christian schools I’ve seen costs $15k. Just googled what FCPS spend per student and see figures from $20-25k. Vouchers for even half that would open doors for a lot of people and put quite a bit of extra money back into FCPS pocket. Seems like a win-win.

IMO, teachers and school boards are against vouchers bc it could only expose more of their incompetence. Public school parents are opposed bc they are more all-in on the indoctrination goal than seeing other people happily go about their lives and opting out of their weirdo schools.

“Indoctrination goal” You sound like a Moms for Liberty shill.

+ 1

IMO, teachers and school boards are against vouchers bc it could only expose more of their incompetence. Public school parents are opposed bc they are more all-in on the indoctrination goal than seeing other people happily go about their lives and opting out of their weirdo schools.

This is a radical way of thinking to believe that every goal is to indoctrinate and remain incompetent. Teachers wish they could “indoctrinate” kids to turn in their work, bring their supplies, etc. I don’t know what agenda they think is being pushed.

I’m a teacher in an ES. My spouse teaches in a MS. When I read someone’s post about “indoctrination”, such as that made by the PP, I often wonder what they are referencing and whether they’ve spent any amount of time in a school recently. I also think of private, religious based schools and have to wonder if the same person would consider them to be “indoctrinating”.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It seems only voucher enthusiastics are vocal on this debate.

I, as a FCPS parent, do not support vouchers. They are not going to solve problems in public education. If you don't like the politics (DEI, empathy, religious neutral) of FCPS, then spend your own money to find the school you like. I support your right to choose but not your right to take the money out.

I actually align pretty closely with the politics you laid out above and I still think FCPS is going the way of vouchers. What you lay out I think really motivates about 5% of people.


But most parents have jobs. All the narrative about school not being childcare is fine— but most parents have jobs and want their kids in school five days per week. Early dismissal Monday’s when no other local district did that totally ruined FCPS’ credibility for me.

Falls Church City has early release Wednesdays almost every week in elementary school and once a month in middle school.
https://www.fccps.org/page/calendars

Ok. But Arlington and Loudoun and other systems of size do not. Loudoun even specifically backed off such a plan because they took parent inputs.

Arlington had early release Wednesdays for years.

And now does not. Presumably because they understand that their parent population overwhelmingly works outside the home and expecting adults to be home at noon on Wednesday is intensely disrespectful. Almost as disrespectful as the claim that warehousing kids in the auditorium doesn’t detract from instructional time. Truly it’s insulting. And when you point these very basic things out you’re told you’re MAGA.

Uh yeah we do. We got rid of early release EVERY Wednesday around the same time FCPS did but we have always had at least 5 early release days in the calendar for professional development.

If this truth insults you, I’m sorry, but I try to post the truth.
-15+ year APS teacher, FCPS parent

Yes, you don’t have eight (I just checked) and they’re not announced at the beginning of school and they’re not blamed on the state “dropping” requirements on you, which is what FCPS did last year.

We have 7 for elementary (5 PDs and 2 parent conferences) and 5 for secondary. To be pendantic, when you said “now does not” you did not say that they have lessened the number of days to 5-7, but said we do not. And to be specific about last year, we had entire days off added to the calendar, not half days, but the half days were there as well.

You seem to be acting out of emotion rather than logic as you are simultaneously arguing that FCPS is warehousing kids in an auditorium (which was proven wrong earlier by posting a schedule of activities) and that expecting parents to pick kids up early is awful, but 7 times a year is okay where as 5 times is fine. In short, r “argument” is not logical.

Kids who actually attended the “childcare” reported being sent to the cafeteria with the Chromebook's and told to be quiet. That’s warehousing no matter what you put on the website as the “schedule”.

The argument is as follows: lying to parents that early release was about DOE requirements in 2025, lying to parents that early release in 2025 was a limited event, and then lying to parents about what the kids are doing does not make you a credible party. Arlington did not claim that they were forced to do early release, and as you say they used early release that was already in their schedule long before VDOE requirements came down to do the training.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just for people to consider. Look how FCPS board boosters treat parents upset by early release:

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/15/1273170.page

And you think those same parents should turn out to vote down vouchers?

What exactly does that thread have to do with vouchers?

You base your vote (to defund public schools) on anonymous comments on a mommy website?

“Everybody else” makes you do terrible things, huh?

I will base my vote on how the Public School treats my family. Lying and disrespect will not get my support. It’s not terrible to opt out of an abusive system.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Parochial schools in FFX Cty cost somewhere around $12k. My kids small private costs $9k. Other private Christian schools I’ve seen costs $15k. Just googled what FCPS spend per student and see figures from $20-25k. Vouchers for even half that would open doors for a lot of people and put quite a bit of extra money back into FCPS pocket. Seems like a win-win.

IMO, teachers and school boards are against vouchers bc it could only expose more of their incompetence. Public school parents are opposed bc they are more all-in on the indoctrination goal than seeing other people happily go about their lives and opting out of their weirdo schools.

“Indoctrination goal” You sound like a Moms for Liberty shill.

+ 1

IMO, teachers and school boards are against vouchers bc it could only expose more of their incompetence. Public school parents are opposed bc they are more all-in on the indoctrination goal than seeing other people happily go about their lives and opting out of their weirdo schools.

This is a radical way of thinking to believe that every goal is to indoctrinate and remain incompetent. Teachers wish they could “indoctrinate” kids to turn in their work, bring their supplies, etc. I don’t know what agenda they think is being pushed.

I’m a teacher in an ES. My spouse teaches in a MS. When I read someone’s post about “indoctrination”, such as that made by the PP, I often wonder what they are referencing and whether they’ve spent any amount of time in a school recently. I also think of private, religious based schools and have to wonder if the same person would consider them to be “indoctrinating”.

They are parroting Fox News and Moms for Liberty.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Parochial schools in FFX Cty cost somewhere around $12k. My kids small private costs $9k. Other private Christian schools I’ve seen costs $15k. Just googled what FCPS spend per student and see figures from $20-25k. Vouchers for even half that would open doors for a lot of people and put quite a bit of extra money back into FCPS pocket. Seems like a win-win.

IMO, teachers and school boards are against vouchers bc it could only expose more of their incompetence. Public school parents are opposed bc they are more all-in on the indoctrination goal than seeing other people happily go about their lives and opting out of their weirdo schools.

“Expose more of their incompetence”?
“Indoctrination”?

GTFO, MAGA trash.