MCPS to end areawide Blair Magnet and countywide Richard Montgomery's IB program

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Anonymous wrote:Those of you with young smart kids, you are screwed. You don’t know it now but by the time your kids’ are ready for HS, you will see.

People with young smart kids have had virtually no magnet access for them based on the current flawed MCPS approach of only providing magnet spots to a tiny number of kids countywide. If others are anything like me, we are freaking thrilled at the idea that MCPS might be changing this approach to provide more slots for more kids, and hoping it will lead to the same at the middle and elementary school level as well. More than 1-2% of the kids in this county deserve advanced programming.

The top 1-2% deserve their own program. The rest of the smart kids have access to AP or IB already.

As someone who was a top 1% kid in a small school system whose classes were with kids from various parts of the top 25%, with none of the fantastic classes or teachers MCPS's magnet programs have... these kids will do just fine being forced to take classes with top 5% kids rather than top 2% kids and no longer being able to take marine biology or plate tectonics.

Sorry if I think our public system should aspire to more than “just fine.” We are falling apart.

Do you realize how you sound? You really think that keeping your kids away from the 95th percentile riff-raff and making sure they have 15 super-specialized science classes to choose from (rather than 6 or 8 or however many the regional ones would have) is an intolerable tragedy worth denying access to the magnet experience to hundreds more kids a year?

Actually my kid is not cut out for the magnets. But as a society we need to give the most able kids the best education so they can be our scientists and engineers and doctors. It is amazing to me that people don’t get this.

Do you think the vast majority of school systems that don't offer anything remotely like the Blair magnet aren't turning out doctors and scientists? They are.

Why does the DC region need to perpetually aim lower especially in the name of equity?

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Anonymous wrote:Those of you with young smart kids, you are screwed. You don’t know it now but by the time your kids’ are ready for HS, you will see.

People with young smart kids have had virtually no magnet access for them based on the current flawed MCPS approach of only providing magnet spots to a tiny number of kids countywide. If others are anything like me, we are freaking thrilled at the idea that MCPS might be changing this approach to provide more slots for more kids, and hoping it will lead to the same at the middle and elementary school level as well. More than 1-2% of the kids in this county deserve advanced programming.

The top 1-2% deserve their own program. The rest of the smart kids have access to AP or IB already.

As someone who was a top 1% kid in a small school system whose classes were with kids from various parts of the top 25%, with none of the fantastic classes or teachers MCPS's magnet programs have... these kids will do just fine being forced to take classes with top 5% kids rather than top 2% kids and no longer being able to take marine biology or plate tectonics.

Sorry if I think our public system should aspire to more than “just fine.” We are falling apart.

Do you realize how you sound? You really think that keeping your kids away from the 95th percentile riff-raff and making sure they have 15 super-specialized science classes to choose from (rather than 6 or 8 or however many the regional ones would have) is an intolerable tragedy worth denying access to the magnet experience to hundreds more kids a year?

Actually my kid is not cut out for the magnets. But as a society we need to give the most able kids the best education so they can be our scientists and engineers and doctors. It is amazing to me that people don’t get this.

For this to be a justification for opposing these changes:

1) it has to be true that these scientists and engineers and doctors are only in the top 1-2%, and that leaving out kids in the few percent below that is fine because they don't have the capability to contribute to society in those ways;
2) it has to be true that an MCPS admission process can accurately identify those top 1-2% of kids (including those who don't have the highest test scores because they haven't been able to access magnet classes in elementary or middle school and haven't gotten parental supplementation, and/or are from lower-income backgrounds and schools)
3) it has to be true that being in class with 95th-98th percentile kids will hurt the chances of those top percentile kids to succeed.

Are you confident enough about those things that you're willing to sell out the other kids to keep Blair a walled garden for a tiny number of kids?

No other kids are being “sold out.” They have AP classes.

Do you also think UMD admissions should be less selective?

[Anonymous]

These programs were initially created to compete with TJ and other magnets in DC area. They are very successful and students have great results.
Now, some MCPS employees decided to make some experiments. Of course, they resolved the problem of unhappy parents with kids not accepted at current selective magnets.
New motto: magnets everywhere, all gifted.

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Anonymous wrote:They are expanding these programs to more schools so more students can take advantage of them. Why should MC taxpayers continue to support these programs when there are so many kids that could benefit from a magnet, but there aren't enough spaces? Now hopefully they'll start working on middle school magnet issue.

No they aren’t. they are getting rid of the selective test-in schools.

Please don't lie and spread alarmist rumors. They said the opposite of this.

They are absolutely getting rid of highly selective schools. That is the point. The new programs will be less selective.

They are not "getting rid" of them. They are keeping the programs but changing the catchment areas. Just like they did when Poolesville's program opened.

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Anonymous wrote:These programs were initially created to compete with TJ and other magnets in DC area. They are very successful and students have great results.
Now, some MCPS employees decided to make some experiments. Of course, they resolved the problem of unhappy parents with kids not accepted at current selective magnets.
New motto: magnets everywhere, all gifted.

I mean, that's probably one of the top things people complain about on this forum, year after year. Good for them for attempting to address the unnecessary scarcity.

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Anonymous wrote:These programs were initially created to compete with TJ and other magnets in DC area. They are very successful and students have great results.
Now, some MCPS employees decided to make some experiments. Of course, they resolved the problem of unhappy parents with kids not accepted at current selective magnets.
New motto: magnets everywhere, all gifted.

We’ve been talking about expanding access to the top 3-5% of students, which is a pretty far cry from “all gifted.”

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Anonymous wrote:Those of you with young smart kids, you are screwed. You don’t know it now but by the time your kids’ are ready for HS, you will see.

People with young smart kids have had virtually no magnet access for them based on the current flawed MCPS approach of only providing magnet spots to a tiny number of kids countywide. If others are anything like me, we are freaking thrilled at the idea that MCPS might be changing this approach to provide more slots for more kids, and hoping it will lead to the same at the middle and elementary school level as well. More than 1-2% of the kids in this county deserve advanced programming.

The top 1-2% deserve their own program. The rest of the smart kids have access to AP or IB already.

As someone who was a top 1% kid in a small school system whose classes were with kids from various parts of the top 25%, with none of the fantastic classes or teachers MCPS's magnet programs have... these kids will do just fine being forced to take classes with top 5% kids rather than top 2% kids and no longer being able to take marine biology or plate tectonics.

Sorry if I think our public system should aspire to more than “just fine.” We are falling apart.

Do you realize how you sound? You really think that keeping your kids away from the 95th percentile riff-raff and making sure they have 15 super-specialized science classes to choose from (rather than 6 or 8 or however many the regional ones would have) is an intolerable tragedy worth denying access to the magnet experience to hundreds more kids a year?

Actually my kid is not cut out for the magnets. But as a society we need to give the most able kids the best education so they can be our scientists and engineers and doctors. It is amazing to me that people don’t get this.

For this to be a justification for opposing these changes:

1) it has to be true that these scientists and engineers and doctors are only in the top 1-2%, and that leaving out kids in the few percent below that is fine because they don't have the capability to contribute to society in those ways;
2) it has to be true that an MCPS admission process can accurately identify those top 1-2% of kids (including those who don't have the highest test scores because they haven't been able to access magnet classes in elementary or middle school and haven't gotten parental supplementation, and/or are from lower-income backgrounds and schools)
3) it has to be true that being in class with 95th-98th percentile kids will hurt the chances of those top percentile kids to succeed.

Are you confident enough about those things that you're willing to sell out the other kids to keep Blair a walled garden for a tiny number of kids?

No other kids are being “sold out.” They have AP classes.

Do you also think UMD admissions should be less selective?

DP but of course not. There is plenty of college programming out there at every level.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:These programs were initially created to compete with TJ and other magnets in DC area. They are very successful and students have great results.
Now, some MCPS employees decided to make some experiments. Of course, they resolved the problem of unhappy parents with kids not accepted at current selective magnets.
New motto: magnets everywhere, all gifted.

I mean, that's probably one of the top things people complain about on this forum, year after year. Good for them for attempting to address the unnecessary scarcity.

They are just fixing a problem they have by screwing one of the good programs MCPS had.
They have really hard time replacing Blair's retired teachers and now they will open 6 Blairs. I would not be surprised to see chemistry teachers for example teaching computer science classes.
But parents will be happy because all kids will be gifted.

[Anonymous]

If they were smart, they would have created these 6 regional programs (9-12 grades), and have the current Blair/Poolsville only for 10-12 grades (remove 9th).
At the end of the 9th grade, select the top students from the 6 regionals to send them to 10-12 grades at Blair/Poolsville. That would have been smart and competitive

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These programs were initially created to compete with TJ and other magnets in DC area. They are very successful and students have great results.
Now, some MCPS employees decided to make some experiments. Of course, they resolved the problem of unhappy parents with kids not accepted at current selective magnets.
New motto: magnets everywhere, all gifted.

I mean, that's probably one of the top things people complain about on this forum, year after year. Good for them for attempting to address the unnecessary scarcity.

They are just fixing a problem they have by screwing one of the good programs MCPS had.
They have really hard time replacing Blair's retired teachers and now they will open 6 Blairs. I would not be surprised to see chemistry teachers for example teaching computer science classes.
But parents will be happy because all kids will be gifted.

I don't think they said there will be "6 Blairs." While Blair and Poolesville's programs will likely continue with the same topics, STEM programs in the other four regions could have different focuses.

[Anonymous]

This thread is bonkers. The regional program seems responsive to the concerns parents raise here all the time that high performing kids are shut out of the very few high performing programs. Now, a larger group of high performing kids will be able to learn with their high performing peers, with the speciality focus area piece available to try to equal out the number of high performing kids at each school. Seems like a good approach to me. As for the rarefied Blair offerings, kids can get those in college.

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Anonymous wrote:If they were smart, they would have created these 6 regional programs (9-12 grades), and have the current Blair/Poolsville only for 10-12 grades (remove 9th).
At the end of the 9th grade, select the top students from the 6 regionals to send them to 10-12 grades at Blair/Poolsville. That would have been smart and competitive

Right, because kids and families want to move schools and make friends twice.

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Anonymous wrote:Those of you with young smart kids, you are screwed. You don’t know it now but by the time your kids’ are ready for HS, you will see.

People with young smart kids have had virtually no magnet access for them based on the current flawed MCPS approach of only providing magnet spots to a tiny number of kids countywide. If others are anything like me, we are freaking thrilled at the idea that MCPS might be changing this approach to provide more slots for more kids, and hoping it will lead to the same at the middle and elementary school level as well. More than 1-2% of the kids in this county deserve advanced programming.

The top 1-2% deserve their own program. The rest of the smart kids have access to AP or IB already.

As someone who was a top 1% kid in a small school system whose classes were with kids from various parts of the top 25%, with none of the fantastic classes or teachers MCPS's magnet programs have... these kids will do just fine being forced to take classes with top 5% kids rather than top 2% kids and no longer being able to take marine biology or plate tectonics.

Sorry if I think our public system should aspire to more than “just fine.” We are falling apart.

Do you realize how you sound? You really think that keeping your kids away from the 95th percentile riff-raff and making sure they have 15 super-specialized science classes to choose from (rather than 6 or 8 or however many the regional ones would have) is an intolerable tragedy worth denying access to the magnet experience to hundreds more kids a year?

Actually my kid is not cut out for the magnets. But as a society we need to give the most able kids the best education so they can be our scientists and engineers and doctors. It is amazing to me that people don’t get this.

For this to be a justification for opposing these changes:

1) it has to be true that these scientists and engineers and doctors are only in the top 1-2%, and that leaving out kids in the few percent below that is fine because they don't have the capability to contribute to society in those ways;
2) it has to be true that an MCPS admission process can accurately identify those top 1-2% of kids (including those who don't have the highest test scores because they haven't been able to access magnet classes in elementary or middle school and haven't gotten parental supplementation, and/or are from lower-income backgrounds and schools)
3) it has to be true that being in class with 95th-98th percentile kids will hurt the chances of those top percentile kids to succeed.

Are you confident enough about those things that you're willing to sell out the other kids to keep Blair a walled garden for a tiny number of kids?

No other kids are being “sold out.” They have AP classes.

Do you also think UMD admissions should be less selective?

Let them eat cake.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This thread is bonkers. The regional program seems responsive to the concerns parents raise here all the time that high performing kids are shut out of the very few high performing programs. Now, a larger group of high performing kids will be able to learn with their high performing peers, with the speciality focus area piece available to try to equal out the number of high performing kids at each school. Seems like a good approach to me. As for the rarefied Blair offerings, kids can get those in college.

Exactly. HS is about exposure not specialization.

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Anonymous wrote:Those of you with young smart kids, you are screwed. You don’t know it now but by the time your kids’ are ready for HS, you will see.

People with young smart kids have had virtually no magnet access for them based on the current flawed MCPS approach of only providing magnet spots to a tiny number of kids countywide. If others are anything like me, we are freaking thrilled at the idea that MCPS might be changing this approach to provide more slots for more kids, and hoping it will lead to the same at the middle and elementary school level as well. More than 1-2% of the kids in this county deserve advanced programming.

The top 1-2% deserve their own program. The rest of the smart kids have access to AP or IB already.

As someone who was a top 1% kid in a small school system whose classes were with kids from various parts of the top 25%, with none of the fantastic classes or teachers MCPS's magnet programs have... these kids will do just fine being forced to take classes with top 5% kids rather than top 2% kids and no longer being able to take marine biology or plate tectonics.

Sorry if I think our public system should aspire to more than “just fine.” We are falling apart.

Do you realize how you sound? You really think that keeping your kids away from the 95th percentile riff-raff and making sure they have 15 super-specialized science classes to choose from (rather than 6 or 8 or however many the regional ones would have) is an intolerable tragedy worth denying access to the magnet experience to hundreds more kids a year?

Actually my kid is not cut out for the magnets. But as a society we need to give the most able kids the best education so they can be our scientists and engineers and doctors. It is amazing to me that people don’t get this.

For this to be a justification for opposing these changes:

1) it has to be true that these scientists and engineers and doctors are only in the top 1-2%, and that leaving out kids in the few percent below that is fine because they don't have the capability to contribute to society in those ways;
2) it has to be true that an MCPS admission process can accurately identify those top 1-2% of kids (including those who don't have the highest test scores because they haven't been able to access magnet classes in elementary or middle school and haven't gotten parental supplementation, and/or are from lower-income backgrounds and schools)
3) it has to be true that being in class with 95th-98th percentile kids will hurt the chances of those top percentile kids to succeed.

Are you confident enough about those things that you're willing to sell out the other kids to keep Blair a walled garden for a tiny number of kids?

No other kids are being “sold out.” They have AP classes.

Do you also think UMD admissions should be less selective?

Let them eat cake.

+1. AP classes are good enough for the rest of you, but it's a betrayal of the Blair kids if they can't take differential equations.