MCPS to end areawide Blair Magnet and countywide Richard Montgomery's IB program

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Anonymous wrote:It is eyebrow-raising that over 40% of students in MCPS’s most sought-after program, Blair SMCS, come from only two schools (Churchill and Wootton).

There are many highly capable students from our almost 52,000 total student body, beyond the 440 seats available, that would benefit from such a program.

It is good that regional magnets will allow many more SMCS seats to be available.


That's absolutely not a reason to change the existing successful program.


That’s your opinion, not a fact. As a parent in a cluster where few students attend SMCS because of the long commute, I hope the regional programs will offer more opportunities to students beyond the few clusters that send kids now.



Adding regional programs is great! It's not a reason to blow up an existing successful program that as you repeatedly exclaim, doesn't even send kids to the existing program!
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Anonymous wrote:It is eyebrow-raising that over 40% of students in MCPS’s most sought-after program, Blair SMCS, come from only two schools (Churchill and Wootton).

There are many highly capable students from our almost 52,000 total student body, beyond the 440 seats available, that would benefit from such a program.

It is good that regional magnets will allow many more SMCS seats to be available.


That's absolutely not a reason to change the existing successful program.


That’s your opinion, not a fact. As a parent in a cluster where few students attend SMCS because of the long commute, I hope the regional programs will offer more opportunities to students beyond the few clusters that send kids now.



Adding regional programs is great! It's not a reason to blow up an existing successful program that as you repeatedly exclaim, doesn't even send kids to the existing program!


Clusters would send more kids if they didn’t have to commute an hour each way. You sound like a “have” whose kids have a short commute who doesn’t want others to have the same opportunities. Pretending that your kids are the only smart kids in the county when 2 schools send the majority of students is illogical.
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Anonymous wrote:The worst thing about this is the loss of the incredible magnet teachers that we will have at both the RM IB and Blair SMCS. My son is a student at the Blair Magnet program, and their math teacher has a PHD in math from Yale! Other teachers are equally qualified and hold PHDs from many renowned universities in the country. There is no way that these teachers will opt for teaching county magnet programs, as they are more than qualified to teach college level classes with much more pay as well. They stay because they enjoy teaching a group of highly motivated students who love to learn. The loss of teachers will be something we won't be able to replace, even after Taylor is gone.


Seems like you are making a lot of assumptions here, about the teachers and the future students.


Not that pp, but my child also goes to the same program, and more than one teachers told their personal stories to students about why they chose to stay in Blair SMACS, and the reasons are highly similar to what described above. They will choose to leave the magnet as it's not rewarding anymore to themselves, and practically many of the current courses will not exist anymore due to lack of enrollment.

If true, those teachers are not great in reasoning then, and perhaps not as incredible as some PPs describe. They’re assuming students in the future regional magnet will not be a group of highly motivated students who love to learn. We don’t know the criteria of the regional program, so we don’t know what those students will be like. If they maintain a hard cutoff of 90% MAP (“A” students by objective measure), the type of students should be the same. Incredible teachers are good at reasoning and not emotionally reactive.


It has been repeatedly cited in this forum that the median MAP-M score for the admitted students is somewhere around 285, which is >99% for Grade 12 according to NWEA breakdown. More than 50% of the current SMACS students came from Churchill and Wootton, and the 3rd is WJ. Many admitted students had won state or national STEM prizes before joining SMACS. What makes believe that the new regional program wouldn't be significantly watered down?


The fact that most of the current students came from just 3 schools suggests that it should be no problem to fill the regional programs with kids from 4-5 schools each, right? The admission standards might have to be a tad bit lower if the distribution of smart kids isn't exactly equal between those 3 schools and the others in the county, but presumably that's a pretty small difference.


Is this a joke?
It's astronomically different. What is your explanation for why almost no one in Silver Spring qualifies for SMACS, while students from Rockville/Potomac/Bethesda bus in from far away?

SMACS already struggles to fill upper level courses, offering many electives only once every 2 years.

Splitting Blair SMACS into 3 would eliminate those classes.

The Functions (advanced/accelerated Alg2/Precalculus) class has 20 kids. If you split those kids across 2-3 regions, what happens to them?

Yes, there are students that would thrive in regional STEM programs that enhance their current home school offerings with more AP options and some electives. No, no one is helped by shattering the current SMACS into 4 parts and pretending that those kids are well-matched to programs that run courses at half the academic pace.


What on earth makes you think that "almost no one in Silver Spring qualifies"? There's like 30+ Silver Spring kids who actually attend Blair SMCS every year right now, plus presumably many others who get "beat out' by richer kids from elsewhere in the county who can juice their MAP scores in ways most Silver Spring families can't. Why would the difference in the number of smart, motivated kids from rich schools and poor schools be "astronomically different"?


Plus lots of bright Silver Spring kids attend the Wheaton engineering and biomedical magnets, not because they don't qualify for SMCS, but because their interests are in engineering, medicine, and life sciences.


Wheaton PLTW is a great program, but it's maybe 0.75 of the STEM program that SMACS is. SMACS offers an extra year each of math, lab science, and computer science via its accelerated courses (Functions A/B or Precalc A/B/C, Physics "DP" and Chem "DP", and CS ADSA), plus many electives to choose from.

The only unique offering at Wheaton PLTW is the junior year very specific engineering elective (civil aviation, bio, etc), not much consolation for being a whole year or more behind in 3 different STEM subjects compared to SMCS.

Look at the Wheaton curriculum:
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/schools/wheatonhs/academies/Applicationprograms/#Engineeringapp

And the SMCS curriculum:
https://old.mbhs.edu/departments/magnet/ParentResources/PlanningGuideJR-SRYrs.pdf


It's not a competition though, so they aren't behind. And they are headed to top university engineering programs so they are doing just fine.
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Anonymous wrote:The worst thing about this is the loss of the incredible magnet teachers that we will have at both the RM IB and Blair SMCS. My son is a student at the Blair Magnet program, and their math teacher has a PHD in math from Yale! Other teachers are equally qualified and hold PHDs from many renowned universities in the country. There is no way that these teachers will opt for teaching county magnet programs, as they are more than qualified to teach college level classes with much more pay as well. They stay because they enjoy teaching a group of highly motivated students who love to learn. The loss of teachers will be something we won't be able to replace, even after Taylor is gone.


Seems like you are making a lot of assumptions here, about the teachers and the future students.


Not that pp, but my child also goes to the same program, and more than one teachers told their personal stories to students about why they chose to stay in Blair SMACS, and the reasons are highly similar to what described above. They will choose to leave the magnet as it's not rewarding anymore to themselves, and practically many of the current courses will not exist anymore due to lack of enrollment.

If true, those teachers are not great in reasoning then, and perhaps not as incredible as some PPs describe. They’re assuming students in the future regional magnet will not be a group of highly motivated students who love to learn. We don’t know the criteria of the regional program, so we don’t know what those students will be like. If they maintain a hard cutoff of 90% MAP (“A” students by objective measure), the type of students should be the same. Incredible teachers are good at reasoning and not emotionally reactive.


It has been repeatedly cited in this forum that the median MAP-M score for the admitted students is somewhere around 285, which is >99% for Grade 12 according to NWEA breakdown. More than 50% of the current SMACS students came from Churchill and Wootton, and the 3rd is WJ. Many admitted students had won state or national STEM prizes before joining SMACS. What makes believe that the new regional program wouldn't be significantly watered down?


The fact that most of the current students came from just 3 schools suggests that it should be no problem to fill the regional programs with kids from 4-5 schools each, right? The admission standards might have to be a tad bit lower if the distribution of smart kids isn't exactly equal between those 3 schools and the others in the county, but presumably that's a pretty small difference.


Is this a joke?
It's astronomically different. What is your explanation for why almost no one in Silver Spring qualifies for SMACS, while students from Rockville/Potomac/Bethesda bus in from far away?

SMACS already struggles to fill upper level courses, offering many electives only once every 2 years.

Splitting Blair SMACS into 3 would eliminate those classes.

The Functions (advanced/accelerated Alg2/Precalculus) class has 20 kids. If you split those kids across 2-3 regions, what happens to them?

Yes, there are students that would thrive in regional STEM programs that enhance their current home school offerings with more AP options and some electives. No, no one is helped by shattering the current SMACS into 4 parts and pretending that those kids are well-matched to programs that run courses at half the academic pace.


What on earth makes you think that "almost no one in Silver Spring qualifies"? There's like 30+ Silver Spring kids who actually attend Blair SMCS every year right now, plus presumably many others who get "beat out' by richer kids from elsewhere in the county who can juice their MAP scores in ways most Silver Spring families can't. Why would the difference in the number of smart, motivated kids from rich schools and poor schools be "astronomically different"?


Plus lots of bright Silver Spring kids attend the Wheaton engineering and biomedical magnets, not because they don't qualify for SMCS, but because their interests are in engineering, medicine, and life sciences.


Wheaton PLTW is a great program, but it's maybe 0.75 of the STEM program that SMACS is. SMACS offers an extra year each of math, lab science, and computer science via its accelerated courses (Functions A/B or Precalc A/B/C, Physics "DP" and Chem "DP", and CS ADSA), plus many electives to choose from.

The only unique offering at Wheaton PLTW is the junior year very specific engineering elective (civil aviation, bio, etc), not much consolation for being a whole year or more behind in 3 different STEM subjects compared to SMCS.

Look at the Wheaton curriculum:
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/schools/wheatonhs/academies/Applicationprograms/#Engineeringapp

And the SMCS curriculum:
https://old.mbhs.edu/departments/magnet/ParentResources/PlanningGuideJR-SRYrs.pdf


It's not a competition though, so they aren't behind. And they are headed to top university engineering programs so they are doing just fine.

Yep. They send more kids to UMD school of engineering than any school in the state.
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Anonymous wrote:The worst thing about this is the loss of the incredible magnet teachers that we will have at both the RM IB and Blair SMCS. My son is a student at the Blair Magnet program, and their math teacher has a PHD in math from Yale! Other teachers are equally qualified and hold PHDs from many renowned universities in the country. There is no way that these teachers will opt for teaching county magnet programs, as they are more than qualified to teach college level classes with much more pay as well. They stay because they enjoy teaching a group of highly motivated students who love to learn. The loss of teachers will be something we won't be able to replace, even after Taylor is gone.


Seems like you are making a lot of assumptions here, about the teachers and the future students.


Not that pp, but my child also goes to the same program, and more than one teachers told their personal stories to students about why they chose to stay in Blair SMACS, and the reasons are highly similar to what described above. They will choose to leave the magnet as it's not rewarding anymore to themselves, and practically many of the current courses will not exist anymore due to lack of enrollment.

If true, those teachers are not great in reasoning then, and perhaps not as incredible as some PPs describe. They’re assuming students in the future regional magnet will not be a group of highly motivated students who love to learn. We don’t know the criteria of the regional program, so we don’t know what those students will be like. If they maintain a hard cutoff of 90% MAP (“A” students by objective measure), the type of students should be the same. Incredible teachers are good at reasoning and not emotionally reactive.


It has been repeatedly cited in this forum that the median MAP-M score for the admitted students is somewhere around 285, which is >99% for Grade 12 according to NWEA breakdown. More than 50% of the current SMACS students came from Churchill and Wootton, and the 3rd is WJ. Many admitted students had won state or national STEM prizes before joining SMACS. What makes believe that the new regional program wouldn't be significantly watered down?


The fact that most of the current students came from just 3 schools suggests that it should be no problem to fill the regional programs with kids from 4-5 schools each, right? The admission standards might have to be a tad bit lower if the distribution of smart kids isn't exactly equal between those 3 schools and the others in the county, but presumably that's a pretty small difference.


Is this a joke?
It's astronomically different. What is your explanation for why almost no one in Silver Spring qualifies for SMACS, while students from Rockville/Potomac/Bethesda bus in from far away?

SMACS already struggles to fill upper level courses, offering many electives only once every 2 years.

Splitting Blair SMACS into 3 would eliminate those classes.

The Functions (advanced/accelerated Alg2/Precalculus) class has 20 kids. If you split those kids across 2-3 regions, what happens to them?

Yes, there are students that would thrive in regional STEM programs that enhance their current home school offerings with more AP options and some electives. No, no one is helped by shattering the current SMACS into 4 parts and pretending that those kids are well-matched to programs that run courses at half the academic pace.


What on earth makes you think that "almost no one in Silver Spring qualifies"? There's like 30+ Silver Spring kids who actually attend Blair SMCS every year right now, plus presumably many others who get "beat out' by richer kids from elsewhere in the county who can juice their MAP scores in ways most Silver Spring families can't. Why would the difference in the number of smart, motivated kids from rich schools and poor schools be "astronomically different"?


Plus lots of bright Silver Spring kids attend the Wheaton engineering and biomedical magnets, not because they don't qualify for SMCS, but because their interests are in engineering, medicine, and life sciences.


And the engineering magnet (application-based) at Wheaton will be made into an interest-based, less rigorous program. Wheaton's biomedical application-based program is being cancelled, or perhaps moved to a criteria-based medical-science program at Kennedy HS in the new Region 3. This isn't fair to the Wheaton community - that school built these programs up and they are effectively losing each of them. In place of its Engineering program, Wheaton is getting one criteria-based SMCS program, which probably has some overlap with the current engineering program. Why introduce this type of chaos in Wheaton HS?


I made my previous comment not knowing anything about the futures of these programs. The open house for engineering last fall looked great. The academies for engineering and social studies looked good too. It seemed like Wheaton takes its academies seriously (unlike Blair where the open house barely mentioned them).

At the Wheaton engineering academy it looks like one could get a good engineering prep education, no multivariable calculus, but some of the same engineering courses as the magnet. I don't know what the outcomes are like for it, or how serious the students are, but it might be a good indication of what interest based programs are like.


Wheaton HS MV.
I see they do have it. I guess I was thinking about my son who would only get to Calc BC in the Academy and forgot about the actual offerings.

In the magnet they require geometry over the summer to make sure students are on track for MV.
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