Exactly why is it necessary that class work must be assigned and completed on a computer?
haha you read a few articles and think you know it all. You don't.
I backed my claim with data and historical reference. You said nothing.
An Arl Now article is your data? ROTF over here.
I guess you can’t read more than one line. The government report card is the data; the newspaper article is historical reference of when APS issued laptops.
Clearly you don’t do actual research in high school or college.
Actually I did, which is where I learned the difference between causation and correlation. Go back and brush up on that.
Anonymous wrote:I am not an absolutist. I agree that cellphones have no place during instructional time, but I'm less worried about lunch and transitions, particularly in high school. How can kids learn how to use tech responsibly if we take it away from them until they graduate?
There were very convincing arguments about flexibility too, about how kids used phones for in-class projects at teachers' discretion prior to the total ban.
Why does everything have to be black and white? The people who are cheering about the cellphone ban are now gunning for the iPads and laptops. Which again, I can be convinced really aren't developmentally appropriate in K-2, but older kids gotta learn about it anyway to remain part of an interconnected global society.
I remember someone saying in the old AEM that it was just election-year red meat. I agree.
+1
Outside agitators trying to stir things up.
Let the schools/teachers decide what works best for them.
Your teachers and your admin have banned them. They already decided and you lost. As is every major school district private school etc in the country.
I support the teacher’s ban, a$$wipe. Fortunately, it’s not super restrictive.
I don’t support outside agitators stirring up sht with our schools.
I'm good with no phone in class. Not at all okay with making an 18 year old lock their phone in a pouch, and paying some company for dumb pouches.
+1. I’ve been a big advocate against this as a HS teacher and parent. This law or bill or whatever it is has made my job more difficult this past year. Now someone else is dictating how I need to run my classroom when I didn’t have problems before. I do not agree with this.
How exactly does it change how you run your classroom? Why would it be harder than before?
Did you just ignore cell phone use before? Assume it’s not interpreting students near the perpetrator?
Now with the pouches, any phone in sight is a violation, not just a phone in use. Is that what you are offended by, that your disregard for the problem is now more obvious?
I’m not going to get into a back and forth with you since you started replying to each teacher and don’t believe there are more than one of us that don’t support this.
No, I did not allow phone before. They were not a problem. Like the other teacher, I set that expectation on day 1 and did not have students watching TikToks in class or huge amounts trying to sneak them. If one needed to send a text occasionally, they would ask me “can I text my mom about ….” You would be surprised how polite and rule following most kids are.
So then the ban comes and now they are taboo. Now I have a battle with laptops and behavior issues with those, where I never did before. I am told under no circumstances can we see a phone and must do xyz if we do. This is not helpful. I had it under control. Now I have classes of angry kids, trying to get around things on computers because they feel like their cell rights are violated when we didn’t have a problem before.
I’m still unclear. Before the ban, what exactly were your expectations? Like what did you say? I’m sure there were occasional infractions, how did you handle them then? You never had a kid noodling on his phone?
Can elaborate on the laptops? I would support getting rid of those as well.
You want to take away laptops from high school students? You have just lost all credibility in this argument.
In class? Absolutely.
Many teachers have the students doing class assignments on the laptops during class.
Exactly. It's totally unrealistic and it doesn't make sense to take away laptops. My DD's teachers have them doing work in class on their laptops. They have block scheduling, and often part of the class is for teaching and part is for doing work/applying what they just learned. They access learning apps, do research, etc., on these laptops. APS has placed restrictions on them, so they can't access much beyond what's required for class.
Also, the world is tech based at this point and, honestly, they will use laptops throughout high school and college. SATs, APs - everything is online now. Kids need to learn how to live in a technology-oriented world. I can't even imagine them not having access to this stuff.
The internet is terrible for doing research. They should be in the library or have a textbook.
Learning apps are a complete joke, just a game to babysit while the work with high need kids or grade papers.
I’m in tech, you really should see how the leaders in tech are having their own kids learn.
Maybe that has changed in the last 6 years, but I suspect tech leaders have just gotten quieter about the private schools they send their kids.
The internet is terrible for research?? Have you ever heard of google scholar? Even when I was in grad school 15 years ago, most academic journals had moved online. If an elementary kid wants to learn about frogs— I agree, a book is better. But for a HS kid, it’s different. Kids enrolled in AP seminar & research have access to academic journals online the way college kids do. I think books are great, but it depends on what type of information you need, how specific, and how up to date.
You are talking about curated academic repositories, yes those are very helpful and online access is the standard now.
But 90% of students don’t need internet access to write their research paper on the civil war, because they won’t be able to filter though the wall of bad amateur “history” in their “research”. They aren’t looking at academic research like Google scholar, they should be referencing books not RebelBlog(tm).
DP. So clearly you don’t have kids in MS or HS.
Go away, troll.
Sorry I have kids in both. Why do you note refute with actual facts instead of some weird insult. What was wrong with what I said? The internet is the Wild West. Classwork is usually about lessons the teacher just instructed, and doesn’t need Google Scholar to augment.
If you actually had a kid in APS MS/HS you would know which resources they are required to use.
GTFO, troll.
I have my own job, I’m not inventorying the catalog of websites and apps that APS uses — most of it is bunk.
High school is mostly about learning fundamentals best structured in a textbook or a teachers curated lecture notes, and then learning how to find and extract and summarize from larger secondary sources rather than just googling and copying and pasting a snippet.
For research papers, sure they need access to a laptop to access online libraries, edit papers, even news articles. But in class focusing on the teacher content without a competing screen is best, and many of the best teachers say laptops away for a portion of the class.
Yes, of course.
And then — when it comes down to actually doing the work — how many of the best teachers say “don’t use your laptop”?
GTFO, troll.
In class? They should be having small group discussions, doing long hand math work, labs. They should spend class time staring at a screen.
If you actually had a kid in APS HS, you’d know that most classes are 90 minute blocks. There are certainly points during that time when students are doing work beyond discussions & labs. And guess where that happens — on laptops.
They are a tool that even the best teachers utilize at some point.
GTFO, troll.
I know they have block scheduling; the teachers that just say “do quiet work on your own” are why it’s wasted sometimes. They should have better use of class time than doing homework in class.
+1. I’ve been a big advocate against this as a HS teacher and parent. This law or bill or whatever it is has made my job more difficult this past year. Now someone else is dictating how I need to run my classroom when I didn’t have problems before. I do not agree with this.
How exactly does it change how you run your classroom? Why would it be harder than before?
Did you just ignore cell phone use before? Assume it’s not interpreting students near the perpetrator?
Now with the pouches, any phone in sight is a violation, not just a phone in use. Is that what you are offended by, that your disregard for the problem is now more obvious?
I’m not going to get into a back and forth with you since you started replying to each teacher and don’t believe there are more than one of us that don’t support this.
No, I did not allow phone before. They were not a problem. Like the other teacher, I set that expectation on day 1 and did not have students watching TikToks in class or huge amounts trying to sneak them. If one needed to send a text occasionally, they would ask me “can I text my mom about ….” You would be surprised how polite and rule following most kids are.
So then the ban comes and now they are taboo. Now I have a battle with laptops and behavior issues with those, where I never did before. I am told under no circumstances can we see a phone and must do xyz if we do. This is not helpful. I had it under control. Now I have classes of angry kids, trying to get around things on computers because they feel like their cell rights are violated when we didn’t have a problem before.
I’m still unclear. Before the ban, what exactly were your expectations? Like what did you say? I’m sure there were occasional infractions, how did you handle them then? You never had a kid noodling on his phone?
Can elaborate on the laptops? I would support getting rid of those as well.
You want to take away laptops from high school students? You have just lost all credibility in this argument.
In class? Absolutely.
Many teachers have the students doing class assignments on the laptops during class.
Exactly. It's totally unrealistic and it doesn't make sense to take away laptops. My DD's teachers have them doing work in class on their laptops. They have block scheduling, and often part of the class is for teaching and part is for doing work/applying what they just learned. They access learning apps, do research, etc., on these laptops. APS has placed restrictions on them, so they can't access much beyond what's required for class.
Also, the world is tech based at this point and, honestly, they will use laptops throughout high school and college. SATs, APs - everything is online now. Kids need to learn how to live in a technology-oriented world. I can't even imagine them not having access to this stuff.
The internet is terrible for doing research. They should be in the library or have a textbook.
Learning apps are a complete joke, just a game to babysit while the work with high need kids or grade papers.
I’m in tech, you really should see how the leaders in tech are having their own kids learn.
Maybe that has changed in the last 6 years, but I suspect tech leaders have just gotten quieter about the private schools they send their kids.
The internet is terrible for research?? Have you ever heard of google scholar? Even when I was in grad school 15 years ago, most academic journals had moved online. If an elementary kid wants to learn about frogs— I agree, a book is better. But for a HS kid, it’s different. Kids enrolled in AP seminar & research have access to academic journals online the way college kids do. I think books are great, but it depends on what type of information you need, how specific, and how up to date.
You are talking about curated academic repositories, yes those are very helpful and online access is the standard now.
But 90% of students don’t need internet access to write their research paper on the civil war, because they won’t be able to filter though the wall of bad amateur “history” in their “research”. They aren’t looking at academic research like Google scholar, they should be referencing books not RebelBlog(tm).
DP. So clearly you don’t have kids in MS or HS.
Go away, troll.
Sorry I have kids in both. Why do you note refute with actual facts instead of some weird insult. What was wrong with what I said? The internet is the Wild West. Classwork is usually about lessons the teacher just instructed, and doesn’t need Google Scholar to augment.
I would like my kids to learn how to research. I guess you don't.
Googling isn’t research. That’s what the internet provides. In academic and professional settings you utilize resources that are not on the open internet.
Correct but these resources are accessed via a .... computer. The one you want to take away from kids.
+1. I’ve been a big advocate against this as a HS teacher and parent. This law or bill or whatever it is has made my job more difficult this past year. Now someone else is dictating how I need to run my classroom when I didn’t have problems before. I do not agree with this.
How exactly does it change how you run your classroom? Why would it be harder than before?
Did you just ignore cell phone use before? Assume it’s not interpreting students near the perpetrator?
Now with the pouches, any phone in sight is a violation, not just a phone in use. Is that what you are offended by, that your disregard for the problem is now more obvious?
I’m not going to get into a back and forth with you since you started replying to each teacher and don’t believe there are more than one of us that don’t support this.
No, I did not allow phone before. They were not a problem. Like the other teacher, I set that expectation on day 1 and did not have students watching TikToks in class or huge amounts trying to sneak them. If one needed to send a text occasionally, they would ask me “can I text my mom about ….” You would be surprised how polite and rule following most kids are.
So then the ban comes and now they are taboo. Now I have a battle with laptops and behavior issues with those, where I never did before. I am told under no circumstances can we see a phone and must do xyz if we do. This is not helpful. I had it under control. Now I have classes of angry kids, trying to get around things on computers because they feel like their cell rights are violated when we didn’t have a problem before.
I’m still unclear. Before the ban, what exactly were your expectations? Like what did you say? I’m sure there were occasional infractions, how did you handle them then? You never had a kid noodling on his phone?
Can elaborate on the laptops? I would support getting rid of those as well.
You want to take away laptops from high school students? You have just lost all credibility in this argument.
In class? Absolutely.
Many teachers have the students doing class assignments on the laptops during class.
Exactly. It's totally unrealistic and it doesn't make sense to take away laptops. My DD's teachers have them doing work in class on their laptops. They have block scheduling, and often part of the class is for teaching and part is for doing work/applying what they just learned. They access learning apps, do research, etc., on these laptops. APS has placed restrictions on them, so they can't access much beyond what's required for class.
Also, the world is tech based at this point and, honestly, they will use laptops throughout high school and college. SATs, APs - everything is online now. Kids need to learn how to live in a technology-oriented world. I can't even imagine them not having access to this stuff.
The internet is terrible for doing research. They should be in the library or have a textbook.
Learning apps are a complete joke, just a game to babysit while the work with high need kids or grade papers.
I’m in tech, you really should see how the leaders in tech are having their own kids learn.
Maybe that has changed in the last 6 years, but I suspect tech leaders have just gotten quieter about the private schools they send their kids.
The internet is terrible for research?? Have you ever heard of google scholar? Even when I was in grad school 15 years ago, most academic journals had moved online. If an elementary kid wants to learn about frogs— I agree, a book is better. But for a HS kid, it’s different. Kids enrolled in AP seminar & research have access to academic journals online the way college kids do. I think books are great, but it depends on what type of information you need, how specific, and how up to date.
You are talking about curated academic repositories, yes those are very helpful and online access is the standard now.
But 90% of students don’t need internet access to write their research paper on the civil war, because they won’t be able to filter though the wall of bad amateur “history” in their “research”. They aren’t looking at academic research like Google scholar, they should be referencing books not RebelBlog(tm).
DP. So clearly you don’t have kids in MS or HS.
Go away, troll.
Sorry I have kids in both. Why do you note refute with actual facts instead of some weird insult. What was wrong with what I said? The internet is the Wild West. Classwork is usually about lessons the teacher just instructed, and doesn’t need Google Scholar to augment.
I would like my kids to learn how to research. I guess you don't.
Googling isn’t research. That’s what the internet provides. In academic and professional settings you utilize resources that are not on the open internet.
For students in APS, those resources are primarily accessed via their laptop.
....Which you would know if you actually had a kid in APS. Troll.
Exactly why is it necessary that class work must be assigned and completed on a computer?
haha you read a few articles and think you know it all. You don't.
I backed my claim with data and historical reference. You said nothing.
An Arl Now article is your data? ROTF over here.
I guess you can’t read more than one line. The government report card is the data; the newspaper article is historical reference of when APS issued laptops.
Clearly you don’t do actual research in high school or college.
Actually I did, which is where I learned the difference between causation and correlation. Go back and brush up on that.
It’s well established that screens reduce attention stamina, cause distraction in many settings by their very presence. The fact that performance of schools dropped soon after introduction of laptops points to likely correlation
Are you a laptop salesman? I have been unable to find anything that states laptops improve performance in school except in improvised countries where they don’t have libraries or books so it’s a level up there.
Exactly why is it necessary that class work must be assigned and completed on a computer?
haha you read a few articles and think you know it all. You don't.
I backed my claim with data and historical reference. You said nothing.
An Arl Now article is your data? ROTF over here.
I guess you can’t read more than one line. The government report card is the data; the newspaper article is historical reference of when APS issued laptops.
Clearly you don’t do actual research in high school or college.
Actually I did, which is where I learned the difference between causation and correlation. Go back and brush up on that.
It’s well established that screens reduce attention stamina, cause distraction in many settings by their very presence. The fact that performance of schools dropped soon after introduction of laptops points to likely correlation
Are you a laptop salesman? I have been unable to find anything that states laptops improve performance in school except in improvised countries where they don’t have libraries or books so it’s a level up there.
+1. I’ve been a big advocate against this as a HS teacher and parent. This law or bill or whatever it is has made my job more difficult this past year. Now someone else is dictating how I need to run my classroom when I didn’t have problems before. I do not agree with this.
How exactly does it change how you run your classroom? Why would it be harder than before?
Did you just ignore cell phone use before? Assume it’s not interpreting students near the perpetrator?
Now with the pouches, any phone in sight is a violation, not just a phone in use. Is that what you are offended by, that your disregard for the problem is now more obvious?
I’m not going to get into a back and forth with you since you started replying to each teacher and don’t believe there are more than one of us that don’t support this.
No, I did not allow phone before. They were not a problem. Like the other teacher, I set that expectation on day 1 and did not have students watching TikToks in class or huge amounts trying to sneak them. If one needed to send a text occasionally, they would ask me “can I text my mom about ….” You would be surprised how polite and rule following most kids are.
So then the ban comes and now they are taboo. Now I have a battle with laptops and behavior issues with those, where I never did before. I am told under no circumstances can we see a phone and must do xyz if we do. This is not helpful. I had it under control. Now I have classes of angry kids, trying to get around things on computers because they feel like their cell rights are violated when we didn’t have a problem before.
I’m still unclear. Before the ban, what exactly were your expectations? Like what did you say? I’m sure there were occasional infractions, how did you handle them then? You never had a kid noodling on his phone?
Can elaborate on the laptops? I would support getting rid of those as well.
You want to take away laptops from high school students? You have just lost all credibility in this argument.
In class? Absolutely.
Many teachers have the students doing class assignments on the laptops during class.
Exactly. It's totally unrealistic and it doesn't make sense to take away laptops. My DD's teachers have them doing work in class on their laptops. They have block scheduling, and often part of the class is for teaching and part is for doing work/applying what they just learned. They access learning apps, do research, etc., on these laptops. APS has placed restrictions on them, so they can't access much beyond what's required for class.
Also, the world is tech based at this point and, honestly, they will use laptops throughout high school and college. SATs, APs - everything is online now. Kids need to learn how to live in a technology-oriented world. I can't even imagine them not having access to this stuff.
The internet is terrible for doing research. They should be in the library or have a textbook.
Learning apps are a complete joke, just a game to babysit while the work with high need kids or grade papers.
I’m in tech, you really should see how the leaders in tech are having their own kids learn.
Maybe that has changed in the last 6 years, but I suspect tech leaders have just gotten quieter about the private schools they send their kids.
The internet is terrible for research?? Have you ever heard of google scholar? Even when I was in grad school 15 years ago, most academic journals had moved online. If an elementary kid wants to learn about frogs— I agree, a book is better. But for a HS kid, it’s different. Kids enrolled in AP seminar & research have access to academic journals online the way college kids do. I think books are great, but it depends on what type of information you need, how specific, and how up to date.
You are talking about curated academic repositories, yes those are very helpful and online access is the standard now.
But 90% of students don’t need internet access to write their research paper on the civil war, because they won’t be able to filter though the wall of bad amateur “history” in their “research”. They aren’t looking at academic research like Google scholar, they should be referencing books not RebelBlog(tm).
DP. So clearly you don’t have kids in MS or HS.
Go away, troll.
Sorry I have kids in both. Why do you note refute with actual facts instead of some weird insult. What was wrong with what I said? The internet is the Wild West. Classwork is usually about lessons the teacher just instructed, and doesn’t need Google Scholar to augment.
If you actually had a kid in APS MS/HS you would know which resources they are required to use.
GTFO, troll.
I have my own job, I’m not inventorying the catalog of websites and apps that APS uses — most of it is bunk.
High school is mostly about learning fundamentals best structured in a textbook or a teachers curated lecture notes, and then learning how to find and extract and summarize from larger secondary sources rather than just googling and copying and pasting a snippet.
For research papers, sure they need access to a laptop to access online libraries, edit papers, even news articles. But in class focusing on the teacher content without a competing screen is best, and many of the best teachers say laptops away for a portion of the class.
Yes, of course.
And then — when it comes down to actually doing the work — how many of the best teachers say “don’t use your laptop”?
GTFO, troll.
In class? They should be having small group discussions, doing long hand math work, labs. They should spend class time staring at a screen.
If you actually had a kid in APS HS, you’d know that most classes are 90 minute blocks. There are certainly points during that time when students are doing work beyond discussions & labs. And guess where that happens — on laptops.
They are a tool that even the best teachers utilize at some point.
GTFO, troll.
I know they have block scheduling; the teachers that just say “do quiet work on your own” are why it’s wasted sometimes. They should have better use of class time than doing homework in class.
You really don't understand how teaching works.
Are you a teacher? My parents were teachers, so I know how the sausage is made.
But please educate me how laptops are used today in “modern teaching”.
Anonymous wrote:I am not an absolutist. I agree that cellphones have no place during instructional time, but I'm less worried about lunch and transitions, particularly in high school. How can kids learn how to use tech responsibly if we take it away from them until they graduate?
There were very convincing arguments about flexibility too, about how kids used phones for in-class projects at teachers' discretion prior to the total ban.
Why does everything have to be black and white? The people who are cheering about the cellphone ban are now gunning for the iPads and laptops. Which again, I can be convinced really aren't developmentally appropriate in K-2, but older kids gotta learn about it anyway to remain part of an interconnected global society.
I remember someone saying in the old AEM that it was just election-year red meat. I agree.
+1
Outside agitators trying to stir things up.
Let the schools/teachers decide what works best for them.
Your teachers and your admin have banned them. They already decided and you lost. As is every major school district private school etc in the country.
I support the teacher’s ban, a$$wipe. Fortunately, it’s not super restrictive.
I don’t support outside agitators stirring up sht with our schools.
I'm good with no phone in class. Not at all okay with making an 18 year old lock their phone in a pouch, and paying some company for dumb pouches.
Agreed. All the private schools have phone lockers at the front office. They are much smaller, and can be unlocked on a staggered schedule as people arrive and leave.
Anonymous wrote:I am not an absolutist. I agree that cellphones have no place during instructional time, but I'm less worried about lunch and transitions, particularly in high school. How can kids learn how to use tech responsibly if we take it away from them until they graduate?
There were very convincing arguments about flexibility too, about how kids used phones for in-class projects at teachers' discretion prior to the total ban.
Why does everything have to be black and white? The people who are cheering about the cellphone ban are now gunning for the iPads and laptops. Which again, I can be convinced really aren't developmentally appropriate in K-2, but older kids gotta learn about it anyway to remain part of an interconnected global society.
I remember someone saying in the old AEM that it was just election-year red meat. I agree.
Because we tried it your way and we have overwhelming evidence that kids cannot keep their hands off their phones. They cannot put them down and just use them during non instructional time. They are distracting because companies have designed them that way. And now we as adults need to be step in and recognize that your way failed.
Your “overwhelming evidence” are cherry picked articles. There is plenty of research that doesn’t make absolutist arguments around edtech, but you ignore them because it’s inconvenient to your point of view.
Keep the phones out of class. I’m fine with that. And teach your kids to respect their teachers and administrators, that’s not that hard either.
I wouldn’t trust you, or any teacher who thinks like you to educate my children.
Anonymous wrote:I am not an absolutist. I agree that cellphones have no place during instructional time, but I'm less worried about lunch and transitions, particularly in high school. How can kids learn how to use tech responsibly if we take it away from them until they graduate?
There were very convincing arguments about flexibility too, about how kids used phones for in-class projects at teachers' discretion prior to the total ban.
Why does everything have to be black and white? The people who are cheering about the cellphone ban are now gunning for the iPads and laptops. Which again, I can be convinced really aren't developmentally appropriate in K-2, but older kids gotta learn about it anyway to remain part of an interconnected global society.
I remember someone saying in the old AEM that it was just election-year red meat. I agree.
Because we tried it your way and we have overwhelming evidence that kids cannot keep their hands off their phones. They cannot put them down and just use them during non instructional time. They are distracting because companies have designed them that way. And now we as adults need to be step in and recognize that your way failed.
Your “overwhelming evidence” are cherry picked articles. There is plenty of research that doesn’t make absolutist arguments around edtech, but you ignore them because it’s inconvenient to your point of view.
Keep the phones out of class. I’m fine with that. And teach your kids to respect their teachers and administrators, that’s not that hard either.
I wouldn’t trust you, or any teacher who thinks like you to educate my children.
I have never even seen an article with anything positive about Ed tech, other than cost savings. Can you provide some -NP
Anonymous wrote:I am not an absolutist. I agree that cellphones have no place during instructional time, but I'm less worried about lunch and transitions, particularly in high school. How can kids learn how to use tech responsibly if we take it away from them until they graduate?
There were very convincing arguments about flexibility too, about how kids used phones for in-class projects at teachers' discretion prior to the total ban.
Why does everything have to be black and white? The people who are cheering about the cellphone ban are now gunning for the iPads and laptops. Which again, I can be convinced really aren't developmentally appropriate in K-2, but older kids gotta learn about it anyway to remain part of an interconnected global society.
I remember someone saying in the old AEM that it was just election-year red meat. I agree.
Because we tried it your way and we have overwhelming evidence that kids cannot keep their hands off their phones. They cannot put them down and just use them during non instructional time. They are distracting because companies have designed them that way. And now we as adults need to be step in and recognize that your way failed.
Your “overwhelming evidence” are cherry picked articles. There is plenty of research that doesn’t make absolutist arguments around edtech, but you ignore them because it’s inconvenient to your point of view.
Keep the phones out of class. I’m fine with that. And teach your kids to respect their teachers and administrators, that’s not that hard either.
I wouldn’t trust you, or any teacher who thinks like you to educate my children.
It’s clear you aren’t a teacher, since most parents are failing at that bit.
+1. I’ve been a big advocate against this as a HS teacher and parent. This law or bill or whatever it is has made my job more difficult this past year. Now someone else is dictating how I need to run my classroom when I didn’t have problems before. I do not agree with this.
How exactly does it change how you run your classroom? Why would it be harder than before?
Did you just ignore cell phone use before? Assume it’s not interpreting students near the perpetrator?
Now with the pouches, any phone in sight is a violation, not just a phone in use. Is that what you are offended by, that your disregard for the problem is now more obvious?
I’m not going to get into a back and forth with you since you started replying to each teacher and don’t believe there are more than one of us that don’t support this.
No, I did not allow phone before. They were not a problem. Like the other teacher, I set that expectation on day 1 and did not have students watching TikToks in class or huge amounts trying to sneak them. If one needed to send a text occasionally, they would ask me “can I text my mom about ….” You would be surprised how polite and rule following most kids are.
So then the ban comes and now they are taboo. Now I have a battle with laptops and behavior issues with those, where I never did before. I am told under no circumstances can we see a phone and must do xyz if we do. This is not helpful. I had it under control. Now I have classes of angry kids, trying to get around things on computers because they feel like their cell rights are violated when we didn’t have a problem before.
I’m still unclear. Before the ban, what exactly were your expectations? Like what did you say? I’m sure there were occasional infractions, how did you handle them then? You never had a kid noodling on his phone?
Can elaborate on the laptops? I would support getting rid of those as well.
You want to take away laptops from high school students? You have just lost all credibility in this argument.
In class? Absolutely.
Many teachers have the students doing class assignments on the laptops during class.
Exactly. It's totally unrealistic and it doesn't make sense to take away laptops. My DD's teachers have them doing work in class on their laptops. They have block scheduling, and often part of the class is for teaching and part is for doing work/applying what they just learned. They access learning apps, do research, etc., on these laptops. APS has placed restrictions on them, so they can't access much beyond what's required for class.
Also, the world is tech based at this point and, honestly, they will use laptops throughout high school and college. SATs, APs - everything is online now. Kids need to learn how to live in a technology-oriented world. I can't even imagine them not having access to this stuff.
The internet is terrible for doing research. They should be in the library or have a textbook.
Learning apps are a complete joke, just a game to babysit while the work with high need kids or grade papers.
I’m in tech, you really should see how the leaders in tech are having their own kids learn.
Maybe that has changed in the last 6 years, but I suspect tech leaders have just gotten quieter about the private schools they send their kids.
The internet is terrible for research?? Have you ever heard of google scholar? Even when I was in grad school 15 years ago, most academic journals had moved online. If an elementary kid wants to learn about frogs— I agree, a book is better. But for a HS kid, it’s different. Kids enrolled in AP seminar & research have access to academic journals online the way college kids do. I think books are great, but it depends on what type of information you need, how specific, and how up to date.
You are talking about curated academic repositories, yes those are very helpful and online access is the standard now.
But 90% of students don’t need internet access to write their research paper on the civil war, because they won’t be able to filter though the wall of bad amateur “history” in their “research”. They aren’t looking at academic research like Google scholar, they should be referencing books not RebelBlog(tm).
DP. So clearly you don’t have kids in MS or HS.
Go away, troll.
Sorry I have kids in both. Why do you note refute with actual facts instead of some weird insult. What was wrong with what I said? The internet is the Wild West. Classwork is usually about lessons the teacher just instructed, and doesn’t need Google Scholar to augment.
I would like my kids to learn how to research. I guess you don't.
Googling isn’t research. That’s what the internet provides. In academic and professional settings you utilize resources that are not on the open internet.
For students in APS, those resources are primarily accessed via their laptop.
....Which you would know if you actually had a kid in APS. Troll.
Anonymous wrote:I am not an absolutist. I agree that cellphones have no place during instructional time, but I'm less worried about lunch and transitions, particularly in high school. How can kids learn how to use tech responsibly if we take it away from them until they graduate?
There were very convincing arguments about flexibility too, about how kids used phones for in-class projects at teachers' discretion prior to the total ban.
Why does everything have to be black and white? The people who are cheering about the cellphone ban are now gunning for the iPads and laptops. Which again, I can be convinced really aren't developmentally appropriate in K-2, but older kids gotta learn about it anyway to remain part of an interconnected global society.
I remember someone saying in the old AEM that it was just election-year red meat. I agree.
+1
Outside agitators trying to stir things up.
Let the schools/teachers decide what works best for them.
Your teachers and your admin have banned them. They already decided and you lost. As is every major school district private school etc in the country.
I support the teacher’s ban, a$$wipe. Fortunately, it’s not super restrictive.
I don’t support outside agitators stirring up sht with our schools.
I'm good with no phone in class. Not at all okay with making an 18 year old lock their phone in a pouch, and paying some company for dumb pouches.
I’m ok making them available to teachers who want to use them. But I’m not forcing teachers if they don’t think they’re necessary for their class.
Exactly why is it necessary that class work must be assigned and completed on a computer?
haha you read a few articles and think you know it all. You don't.
I backed my claim with data and historical reference. You said nothing.
An Arl Now article is your data? ROTF over here.
I guess you can’t read more than one line. The government report card is the data; the newspaper article is historical reference of when APS issued laptops.
Clearly you don’t do actual research in high school or college.
Actually I did, which is where I learned the difference between causation and correlation. Go back and brush up on that.
It’s well established that screens reduce attention stamina, cause distraction in many settings by their very presence. The fact that performance of schools dropped soon after introduction of laptops points to likely correlation
Are you a laptop salesman? I have been unable to find anything that states laptops improve performance in school except in improvised countries where they don’t have libraries or books so it’s a level up there.
LOL. Who knew that the introduction of laptops in Arlington, VA could have such a profound effect on test scores across the country.
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