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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][img][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]No, we don't agree with you.

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a teacher. [/quote]

+1. I’ve been a big advocate against this as a HS teacher and parent. This law or bill or whatever it is has made my job more difficult this past year. Now someone else is dictating how I need to run my classroom when I didn’t have problems before.  I do not agree with this.  [/quote]

How exactly does it change how you run your classroom?  Why would it be harder than before?

Did you just ignore cell phone use before?  Assume it’s not interpreting students near the perpetrator?

Now with the pouches, any phone in sight is a violation, not just a phone in use. Is that what you are offended by, that your disregard for the problem is now more obvious?[/quote]

I’m not going to get into a back and forth with you since you started replying to each teacher and don’t believe there are more than one of us that don’t support this.

No, I did not allow phone before.  They were not a problem. Like the other teacher, I set that expectation on day 1 and did not have students watching TikToks in class or huge amounts trying to sneak them.  If one needed to send a text occasionally, they would ask me “can I text my mom about ….”  You would be surprised how polite and rule following most kids are.

So then the ban comes and now they are taboo. Now I have a battle with laptops and behavior issues with those, where I never did before.  I am told under no circumstances can we see a phone and must do xyz if we do. This is not helpful.  I had it under control.  Now I have classes of angry kids, trying to get around things on computers because they feel like their cell rights are violated when we didn’t have a problem before.  [/quote]

I’m still unclear. Before the ban, what exactly were your expectations?  Like what did you say?  I’m sure there were occasional infractions, how did you handle them then?  You never had a kid noodling on his phone?

Can elaborate on the laptops?  I would support getting rid of those as well. [/quote]

You want to take away laptops from high school students? You have just lost all credibility in this argument. [/quote]

In class? Absolutely. [/quote]

Many teachers have the students doing class assignments on the laptops during class. [/quote]

Exactly. It's totally unrealistic and it doesn't make sense to take away laptops. My DD's teachers have them doing work in class on their laptops. They have block scheduling, and often part of the class is for teaching and part is for doing work/applying what they just learned. They access learning apps, do research, etc., on these laptops. APS has placed restrictions on them, so they can't access much beyond what's required for class.

Also, the world is tech based at this point and, honestly, they will use laptops throughout high school and college. SATs, APs - everything is online now. Kids need to learn how to live in a technology-oriented world. I can't even imagine them not having access to this stuff.

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The internet is terrible for doing research. They should be in the library or have a textbook.

Learning apps are a complete joke, just a game to babysit while the work with high need kids or grade papers.

I’m in tech, you really should see how the leaders in tech are having their own kids learn.

https://www.businessinsider.com/sherry-turkle-why-tech-moguls-send-their-kids-to-anti-tech-schools-2017-11?op=1

Maybe that has changed in the last 6 years, but I suspect tech leaders have just gotten quieter about the private schools they send their kids. [/quote]

The internet is terrible for research?? Have you ever heard of google scholar? Even when I was in grad school 15 years ago, most academic journals had moved online. If an elementary kid wants to learn about frogs— I agree, a book is better. But for a HS kid, it’s different. Kids enrolled in AP seminar & research have access to academic journals online the way college kids do. I think books are great, but it depends on what type of information you need, how specific, and how up to date.  [/quote]

You are talking about curated academic repositories, yes those are very helpful and online access is the standard now.

But 90% of students don’t need internet access to write their research paper on the civil war, because they won’t be able to filter though the wall of bad amateur “history” in their “research”.  They aren’t looking at academic research like Google scholar, they should be referencing books not RebelBlog(tm). [/quote]

DP. So clearly you don’t have kids in MS or HS.

Go away, troll. [/quote]

Sorry I have kids in both. Why do you note refute with  actual facts instead of some weird insult. What was wrong with what I said?  The internet is the Wild West. Classwork is usually about lessons the teacher just instructed, and doesn’t need Google Scholar to augment. [/quote]

I would like my kids to learn how to research. I guess you don't. [/quote]

Googling isn’t research. That’s what the internet provides. In academic and professional settings you utilize resources that are not on the open internet. [/quote]

Correct but these resources are accessed via a .... computer. The one you want to take away from kids. [/quote]

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