Bethesda Today: Behavioral issues, lack of support creating unsafe classrooms

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Anonymous wrote:look if we take all the most aggressive students from all MCPS schools and put them in a building, they are going to be scary. But this doesn’t mean we shouldn’t do it. It’s better than EVERYONE in the county being traumatized. They can have tons of staffing and we would save money over having all these dedicated paras assigned to one kid throughout the county.

Even better, maybe special education teachers can return to helping with learning disabilities rather than running from crisis to crisis.

This doesn't make any sense. If a child would need a paraeducator in the home school model, they'd need a paraeducator in a self-contained program.

What exactly do you believe is the most effective solution to repeated classroom attacks on teachers and students?

Why exactly do you believe there's a single answer for every student and situation?

Never said that.

You asked: "What exactly do you believe is the most effective solution to repeated classroom attacks on teachers and students?"

There is no single solution for all kids and situations. Needs will differ.

Step One:
You remove the perpetrator from the classroom.
Step Two:
The mentally ill perpetrator of the classroom violence goes to get psychiatric evaluation and appropriate medical treatment.
Step Three:
When safety able to do so, the mentally ill student returns to school.

Result:
1. Mo more classroom violence.
2. School children can learn.

It really does appear to be so simple. I don't get why MCPS is incapable of following through on common sense.

Your belief that this is a local problem is incorrect. Schools all over the country are currently hamstrung in the same ways by laws and incentives (and a lack of places to send these kids).

Where do you want violent kids sent?

I was referring to alternative schools, with lower class sizes and specially trained staff. By law all students must be educated.

This is the opposite of what LRE is. We used to have segregated schools for kids with needs, we don't do that anymore.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:look if we take all the most aggressive students from all MCPS schools and put them in a building, they are going to be scary. But this doesn’t mean we shouldn’t do it. It’s better than EVERYONE in the county being traumatized. They can have tons of staffing and we would save money over having all these dedicated paras assigned to one kid throughout the county.

Even better, maybe special education teachers can return to helping with learning disabilities rather than running from crisis to crisis.

This doesn't make any sense. If a child would need a paraeducator in the home school model, they'd need a paraeducator in a self-contained program.

What exactly do you believe is the most effective solution to repeated classroom attacks on teachers and students?

Why exactly do you believe there's a single answer for every student and situation?

Never said that.

You asked: "What exactly do you believe is the most effective solution to repeated classroom attacks on teachers and students?"

There is no single solution for all kids and situations. Needs will differ.

Step One:
You remove the perpetrator from the classroom.
Step Two:
The mentally ill perpetrator of the classroom violence goes to get psychiatric evaluation and appropriate medical treatment.
Step Three:
When safety able to do so, the mentally ill student returns to school.

Result:
1. Mo more classroom violence.
2. School children can learn.

It really does appear to be so simple. I don't get why MCPS is incapable of following through on common sense.

Your belief that this is a local problem is incorrect. Schools all over the country are currently hamstrung in the same ways by laws and incentives (and a lack of places to send these kids).

+1 many parents of SESES kids w/IEPs would lose it if their kids couldn't access general education schools

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why aren’t teachers allowed to implement consequences to kids flinging chairs?

I keep seeing this mentioned, I've worked in schools for over 15 years, can only recall one incident a desk was knocked over, is this a situation being exaggerated?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why aren’t teachers allowed to implement consequences to kids flinging chairs?

I keep seeing this mentioned, I've worked in schools for over 15 years, can only recall one incident a desk was knocked over, is this a situation being exaggerated?

When you’re in a class with a child that flips desks, it happens many times a year.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:look if we take all the most aggressive students from all MCPS schools and put them in a building, they are going to be scary. But this doesn’t mean we shouldn’t do it. It’s better than EVERYONE in the county being traumatized. They can have tons of staffing and we would save money over having all these dedicated paras assigned to one kid throughout the county.

Even better, maybe special education teachers can return to helping with learning disabilities rather than running from crisis to crisis.

This doesn't make any sense. If a child would need a paraeducator in the home school model, they'd need a paraeducator in a self-contained program.

What exactly do you believe is the most effective solution to repeated classroom attacks on teachers and students?

Why exactly do you believe there's a single answer for every student and situation?

Never said that.

You asked: "What exactly do you believe is the most effective solution to repeated classroom attacks on teachers and students?"

There is no single solution for all kids and situations. Needs will differ.

Step One:
You remove the perpetrator from the classroom.
Step Two:
The mentally ill perpetrator of the classroom violence goes to get psychiatric evaluation and appropriate medical treatment.
Step Three:
When safety able to do so, the mentally ill student returns to school.

Result:
1. Mo more classroom violence.
2. School children can learn.

It really does appear to be so simple. I don't get why MCPS is incapable of following through on common sense.

Your belief that this is a local problem is incorrect. Schools all over the country are currently hamstrung in the same ways by laws and incentives (and a lack of places to send these kids).

Where do you want violent kids sent?

I was referring to alternative schools, with lower class sizes and specially trained staff. By law all students must be educated.

This is the opposite of what LRE is. We used to have segregated schools for kids with needs, we don't do that anymore.

LRE is the least restrictive placement. If a child is too dangerous to have in a mainstream class, an alternative placement is absolutely appropriate!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why aren’t teachers allowed to implement consequences to kids flinging chairs?

I keep seeing this mentioned, I've worked in schools for over 15 years, can only recall one incident a desk was knocked over, is this a situation being exaggerated?

When you’re in a class with a child that flips desks, it happens many times a year.

Okay, but how common is that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:look if we take all the most aggressive students from all MCPS schools and put them in a building, they are going to be scary. But this doesn’t mean we shouldn’t do it. It’s better than EVERYONE in the county being traumatized. They can have tons of staffing and we would save money over having all these dedicated paras assigned to one kid throughout the county.

Even better, maybe special education teachers can return to helping with learning disabilities rather than running from crisis to crisis.

This doesn't make any sense. If a child would need a paraeducator in the home school model, they'd need a paraeducator in a self-contained program.

What exactly do you believe is the most effective solution to repeated classroom attacks on teachers and students?

Why exactly do you believe there's a single answer for every student and situation?

Never said that.

You asked: "What exactly do you believe is the most effective solution to repeated classroom attacks on teachers and students?"

There is no single solution for all kids and situations. Needs will differ.

Step One:
You remove the perpetrator from the classroom.
Step Two:
The mentally ill perpetrator of the classroom violence goes to get psychiatric evaluation and appropriate medical treatment.
Step Three:
When safety able to do so, the mentally ill student returns to school.

Result:
1. Mo more classroom violence.
2. School children can learn.

It really does appear to be so simple. I don't get why MCPS is incapable of following through on common sense.

Your belief that this is a local problem is incorrect. Schools all over the country are currently hamstrung in the same ways by laws and incentives (and a lack of places to send these kids).

Where do you want violent kids sent?

I was referring to alternative schools, with lower class sizes and specially trained staff. By law all students must be educated.

This is the opposite of what LRE is. We used to have segregated schools for kids with needs, we don't do that anymore.

LRE is the least restrictive placement. If a child is too dangerous to have in a mainstream class, an alternative placement is absolutely appropriate!

Not if there is an existing program that serves them within a general ed school

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why aren’t teachers allowed to implement consequences to kids flinging chairs?

I keep seeing this mentioned, I've worked in schools for over 15 years, can only recall one incident a desk was knocked over, is this a situation being exaggerated?

When you’re in a class with a child that flips desks, it happens many times a year.

Okay, but how common is that.

Since schools aren’t required to keep statistics, you can keep minimizing the trauma to so many innocent children, not to mention the teachers. The system is so corrupt. Who cares about the children?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:look if we take all the most aggressive students from all MCPS schools and put them in a building, they are going to be scary. But this doesn’t mean we shouldn’t do it. It’s better than EVERYONE in the county being traumatized. They can have tons of staffing and we would save money over having all these dedicated paras assigned to one kid throughout the county.

Even better, maybe special education teachers can return to helping with learning disabilities rather than running from crisis to crisis.

This doesn't make any sense. If a child would need a paraeducator in the home school model, they'd need a paraeducator in a self-contained program.

What exactly do you believe is the most effective solution to repeated classroom attacks on teachers and students?

Why exactly do you believe there's a single answer for every student and situation?

Never said that.

You asked: "What exactly do you believe is the most effective solution to repeated classroom attacks on teachers and students?"

There is no single solution for all kids and situations. Needs will differ.

Step One:
You remove the perpetrator from the classroom.
Step Two:
The mentally ill perpetrator of the classroom violence goes to get psychiatric evaluation and appropriate medical treatment.
Step Three:
When safety able to do so, the mentally ill student returns to school.

Result:
1. Mo more classroom violence.
2. School children can learn.

It really does appear to be so simple. I don't get why MCPS is incapable of following through on common sense.

Your belief that this is a local problem is incorrect. Schools all over the country are currently hamstrung in the same ways by laws and incentives (and a lack of places to send these kids).

Where do you want violent kids sent?

I was referring to alternative schools, with lower class sizes and specially trained staff. By law all students must be educated.

This is the opposite of what LRE is. We used to have segregated schools for kids with needs, we don't do that anymore.

LRE is the least restrictive placement. If a child is too dangerous to have in a mainstream class, an alternative placement is absolutely appropriate!

Not if there is an existing program that serves them within a general ed school

Yet you keep refusing to say what sort of program can a school provide for violent kids.

Why? Because there isn’t one. Fess up.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:look if we take all the most aggressive students from all MCPS schools and put them in a building, they are going to be scary. But this doesn’t mean we shouldn’t do it. It’s better than EVERYONE in the county being traumatized. They can have tons of staffing and we would save money over having all these dedicated paras assigned to one kid throughout the county.

Even better, maybe special education teachers can return to helping with learning disabilities rather than running from crisis to crisis.

This doesn't make any sense. If a child would need a paraeducator in the home school model, they'd need a paraeducator in a self-contained program.

What exactly do you believe is the most effective solution to repeated classroom attacks on teachers and students?

Why exactly do you believe there's a single answer for every student and situation?

Never said that.

You asked: "What exactly do you believe is the most effective solution to repeated classroom attacks on teachers and students?"

There is no single solution for all kids and situations. Needs will differ.

Step One:
You remove the perpetrator from the classroom.
Step Two:
The mentally ill perpetrator of the classroom violence goes to get psychiatric evaluation and appropriate medical treatment.
Step Three:
When safety able to do so, the mentally ill student returns to school.

Result:
1. Mo more classroom violence.
2. School children can learn.

It really does appear to be so simple. I don't get why MCPS is incapable of following through on common sense.

Your belief that this is a local problem is incorrect. Schools all over the country are currently hamstrung in the same ways by laws and incentives (and a lack of places to send these kids).

Where do you want violent kids sent?

I was referring to alternative schools, with lower class sizes and specially trained staff. By law all students must be educated.

This is the opposite of what LRE is. We used to have segregated schools for kids with needs, we don't do that anymore.

LRE is the least restrictive placement. If a child is too dangerous to have in a mainstream class, an alternative placement is absolutely appropriate!

Not if there is an existing program that serves them within a general ed school

Yet you keep refusing to say what sort of program can a school provide for violent kids.

Why? Because there isn’t one. Fess up.

What is Social Emotional Special Education Services?

In an effort to provide comprehensive services to students experiencing significant emotional and/or behavioral difficulties, Montgomery County Public Schools (MCPS) has established these services to meet the needs of students in Grades K–12 who are experiencing emotional and behavioral difficulties in school. By identifying developmentally appropriate learning strategies and interventions based on current research, staff addresses each individual’s needs in the least restrictive environment (LRE)

If this program isn't enough, kids can get evaluated for RICA.

[Anonymous]

MCPS has no EFFECTIVE program to reduce violence in the classrooms. That explains the CONTINUED violence.

Having to parade out the victimized children away from the aggressor in the classroom is a performance meant to further reduce classroom learning.

Most mentally ill violent kids require medical attention, not another school program trying to avoid the necessary appointment with a psychiatrist or psychologist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why aren’t teachers allowed to implement consequences to kids flinging chairs?

I keep seeing this mentioned, I've worked in schools for over 15 years, can only recall one incident a desk was knocked over, is this a situation being exaggerated?

When you’re in a class with a child that flips desks, it happens many times a year.

My first grade daughter witnessed a classmate throw a chair several times this year. Today a boy in her class tackled the classroom teacher and started punching her.

Okay, but how common is that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why aren’t teachers allowed to implement consequences to kids flinging chairs?

I keep seeing this mentioned, I've worked in schools for over 15 years, can only recall one incident a desk was knocked over, is this a situation being exaggerated?

When you’re in a class with a child that flips desks, it happens many times a year.

Okay, but how common is that.

My first grade daughter witnessed a classmate throw a chair several times this year. Today a boy in her class tackled the classroom teacher and started punching her.

[Anonymous]

ES MS and HS high schools are full of very defiant children at the moment. They completely ignore teachers admin and security. It’s really a poor parenting issue. No consequences at home means no fear of consequences at school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:ES MS and HS high schools are full of very defiant children at the moment. They completely ignore teachers admin and security. It’s really a poor parenting issue. No consequences at home means no fear of consequences at school.

There need to be consequences at home and school and more help.