Student loan collections start tomorrow

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Anonymous wrote:Why should he be forgiving loans?

Why should people have to take out massive loans just to get an education in the first place?

I disagree with Trump on more or less everything, but shouldn’t that all depend on what students decide to study? I’ll gladly subsidize more doctors or teachers in rural communities no one wants to work in, but not let’s say, a $60k per year degree in underwater basketweaving from a private college.

What you’re really saying is that you’re willing to subsidize a vocational education (engineering, doctors, nurses, teachers) not traditional college/university education (philosophy, English literature, etc) which is meant to expand the mind. It seems more and more people treat college/universities as vocational schools for white collar jobs. It is a wonder that students are allowed electives.

dp. if you put it that way.. yes. At least people can find good paying jobs in vocational trade, and pay back their loans.

Your "college is not a vocational school" rant is tiresome, grandma/grandpa.

Listen, Flower, parents and students already expect colleges to land you a job, so they’ve become vocational schools, so they should be treated and recognized as such. As the other poster said, traditional college study should be the priority and subsidized differently or not at all.

Then, no one should subsidize your navel gazing major. Do it on your own dime, sweetie.

Ahhh here's another MAGA twit who's fully subscribed to the FALSE notion that some massive percentage of kids are getting degrees in "underwater basket weaving."

It is clear you have not attended a university or college in the last 30 years. Kids these days are even getting weak ass milktoast computer science degrees and finding out afterwards that nobody is interested in employing them because they cannot engineer their way out of a paper bag.

Something dramatic has to change. And it needs to come from both ends. Dry up the funding in the form of student loans and close a huge number of the schools and programs. What we have now is a distorted fiction with no proper market forces.

I do a lot of interviews. You wouldn't believe the number of recent grads who can't even perform simple programming tasks like loop over a list or array. I've started hiring older people and career switchers.

I actually do believe it. I somehow ended up with /computerscience or the equivalent on reddit, and it is a huge number of kids complaining about being unemployable. We wrote an interpreter / compiler for Ruby in graduate school that ultimately ran code on the java virtual machine. I have confidence 80% or more of these "computer science" graduates do not even understand the principles behind the java virtual machine, and certainly would never be able to work with bytecode to run on it.

Woah woah woah, wtf?

If you're directly writing or manipulating bytecode for a JVM you're doing it wrong. That's the job of the java compiler.

The purpose of the exercise was to develop a compiler. So of course we had our compiler generate bytecode to run on the JVM.

Do you think the JVM and the compiler are maintained by aliens? Who do you think develops new compilers? Do they fall from the sky?

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Anonymous wrote:Why should he be forgiving loans?

Why should people have to take out massive loans just to get an education in the first place?

I disagree with Trump on more or less everything, but shouldn’t that all depend on what students decide to study? I’ll gladly subsidize more doctors or teachers in rural communities no one wants to work in, but not let’s say, a $60k per year degree in underwater basketweaving from a private college.

What you’re really saying is that you’re willing to subsidize a vocational education (engineering, doctors, nurses, teachers) not traditional college/university education (philosophy, English literature, etc) which is meant to expand the mind. It seems more and more people treat college/universities as vocational schools for white collar jobs. It is a wonder that students are allowed electives.

Half of Americas high school grads read and do math at a 7 or 8th grade level.

They shouldn’t be using anyone’s money for college unless they start putting up real work and performance.

The kids who can only read and do math at a 7th or 8th grade level aren't the ones going to college, nimrod.

Look again.

This is false, and I think you are conflating different things. While educational attainment goals in high schools have been dropping, there is no evidence that any significant percentage of currently-enrolled college students can only read or do math at a 7th or 8th grade level.

Telling people "Look again" isn't going to somehow make fictitious statistics materialize for you.

DP here. When some colleges admit 90+% of applicants and don’t require any standardized tests, how could you possibly know?

Who is it that fought tooth and nail against standardized tests and trying to raise the bar on the k12 curriculum?

REPUBLICANS.

DP here. While I don't disagree, that's not what I meant. I meant, if colleges aren't going to require an ACT/SAT/AP scores, they actually have know idea what the applicant actually knows.

Standardized tests are those stupid three times a year MAP tests and common core standards tests each spring, in public school.

Hey, finally a good idea. Submit 4 years of MAP scores to college instead of the SAT scam.

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Anonymous wrote:Why should he be forgiving loans?

Why should people have to take out massive loans just to get an education in the first place?

I disagree with Trump on more or less everything, but shouldn’t that all depend on what students decide to study? I’ll gladly subsidize more doctors or teachers in rural communities no one wants to work in, but not let’s say, a $60k per year degree in underwater basketweaving from a private college.

What you’re really saying is that you’re willing to subsidize a vocational education (engineering, doctors, nurses, teachers) not traditional college/university education (philosophy, English literature, etc) which is meant to expand the mind. It seems more and more people treat college/universities as vocational schools for white collar jobs. It is a wonder that students are allowed electives.

A whole lot of the student loan money that everyone is complaining about goes to vocational schools - nursing, the trades, CDLs and everything else you can imagine. There’s a perception that the only students that take out loans or get forgiveness get BAs in basketweaving from PCU but that’s not the case AT ALL.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why should he be forgiving loans?

Why should people have to take out massive loans just to get an education in the first place?

I disagree with Trump on more or less everything, but shouldn’t that all depend on what students decide to study? I’ll gladly subsidize more doctors or teachers in rural communities no one wants to work in, but not let’s say, a $60k per year degree in underwater basketweaving from a private college.

What you’re really saying is that you’re willing to subsidize a vocational education (engineering, doctors, nurses, teachers) not traditional college/university education (philosophy, English literature, etc) which is meant to expand the mind. It seems more and more people treat college/universities as vocational schools for white collar jobs. It is a wonder that students are allowed electives.

A whole lot of the student loan money that everyone is complaining about goes to vocational schools - nursing, the trades, CDLs and everything else you can imagine. There’s a perception that the only students that take out loans or get forgiveness get BAs in basketweaving from PCU but that’s not the case AT ALL.

Over a trillion dollars in default loans. At $100,000 each that is ten million people. At 10,000 each that is one hundred million people.

[Anonymous]

The Trump administration may be stifling investigations into a major student loan provider.

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Anonymous wrote:Why should he be forgiving loans?

Why should people have to take out massive loans just to get an education in the first place?

Exactly!

Trump trying to collect on something which should be for free is unfair to workers.

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I dont understand why the courts have not stepped in to stop this unfair collection action by trump.

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Student loans are going to be scaled back. We are going back to an era where only rich people attended university.

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Anonymous wrote:Why should he be forgiving loans?

Why should people have to take out massive loans just to get an education in the first place?

Exactly!

Trump trying to collect on something which should be for free is unfair to workers.

Do the professors and staff work for free?